no straight road to Branson

Collin joined a secret organization. Brandon enjoyed a band. Brandon watched some movies.

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weather forecasts, local broadcasters, independent media, baseball practices, Chamber of Commerce, pet care, pet first aid, Cutco knives, Great Expectations, movie adaptations, Robert De Niro, Ethan Hawke, Gwyneth Paltrow, contemporary setting, marketing strategies, Great Expectations, Pip, Estella, Magwitch, Miss Havisham, Joe, Herbert, art show, Paris, wedding, subway, casting, character development, plot changes.

SPEAKERS

Collin Funkhouser, Brandon

Collin Funkhouser  00:04

Hey. Welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your host, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, no straight road to Branson. Ahoy, ahoy. How's it going? Pretty good. How are you? I am well, safe and dry and warm.

Brandon  00:24

It's good. Dodging tornadoes is excellent.

Collin Funkhouser  00:27

Nice. It was so it is this? Is this? This has been a big discussion in my community recently. You see, there's the big TV broadcasters. Who say one thing, then there's the local favorite internet broadcasters who say another thing. The tension. The tension rises. Brandon, oh, dear, so, so tense. You don't even know didn't understand how insanely tense This is because internet, the TV, the big broadcasters paid off by big broadcasting. They they said

Brandon  01:11

only, only when they have to talk about capitalism equals good, right? Not when it comes to weather. That's not how that works. Well, I

Collin Funkhouser  01:18

mean, look, if it's good for the goose, good for the Coos, good for the gander, that's what I say. So I just lump them all together like everybody is. And what we did find out is that the big broadcasters, paid off by big broadcasting, said that tonight was gonna be terrible. It's awful, and we were gonna be just the worst night ever. But thank goodness we had that independent media to come in and say, nay, tonight's actually not gonna be terrible for some of you. And yeah, cuz

Brandon  01:47

I there's definitely terrible this for some people, right? That's not necessarily factual.

Collin Funkhouser  01:53

Which one was right, though, that's right. Everyone's favorite internet broadcasters go independent media

Brandon  02:01

to secret third option this nobody was right, because it's the weather, because everyone's wrong all the time with the weather, because, turns out, if you raise the humidity by like, one degree, It's like, everything's crazy. It was right. Air pressure goes down one millibar. Oh, my goodness, everything is completely different.

Collin Funkhouser  02:29

So we, I don't know, we were kind of ready for some bigger storms, and it didn't happen. Did happen? Which is fine, we said, Well, it

Brandon  02:42

happened over in Warsaw.

Collin Funkhouser  02:44

So did go in Butler, south. So anyway, so yes, we we've been inundated with with weather, which is fun. Unfortunately, this is also meant that, like all of the practices for like baseball have been canceled and all of the club meetings have been also canceled. FROM ALL baseball

Brandon  03:19

I could see being canceled either way, because even if it just rains, still not going on to that one, like

Collin Funkhouser  03:26

everything is canceled. And so it's been a much, much quieter week.

Brandon  03:33

The problem is that means it will be rescheduled at some point. Well, practices though, oh, that's true. That's true league baseball that I really care. They're like, man,

Collin Funkhouser  03:45

yeah, that just means that we get two less days of practice for the season.

Brandon  03:51

So it's not like school ball, where, like, if you don't meet your practice requirements, you can't play right. Like, right? No, playing for you.

Collin Funkhouser  03:58

Sorry, yes, exactly, exactly. So it is. It is, what it is.

Brandon  04:10

But well, okay, other than that, what have you been up to and dodging raindrops and not going to baseball practice?

Collin Funkhouser  04:22

Oh, man, I have been, I have been back and forth. I've been to another chamber thing this week. I went to our

Brandon  04:33

favorite segment. Collin goes to Chamber of Commerce meetings.

Collin Funkhouser  04:39

It was, it was amazing, and I am just going to say that this is further proof that nobody listens to anything.

Brandon  04:52

So here's the problem. Knew that.

Collin Funkhouser  05:00

Uh, we they had like, so we sponsored a table at the breakfast, at the lunch, this one, that was a lunch, and those other chambers. And for that one, you get a little table and welcome table, where people pass by and you say hi, and you talk to them, you do. You're like, you know, do your stuff. And then kind of at the beginning, after they do the welcome, then they say the Pledge of Allegiance, and, you know, they do all this stuff. Then they're like, Okay, well, we're gonna have our table sponsors and spotlights come up and just tell you about themselves, and you're supposed to have like, two minutes to talk. So what do you think the room does the moment this section happens?

Brandon  05:42

Kids, gets up and gets drinks.

Collin Funkhouser  05:44

Well, no, that would be at least an action. They just continue to look at their phones, right?

Brandon  05:53

Oh, nice.

Collin Funkhouser  05:55

This is the advertisement section of the thing y'all like. This is the ad.

Brandon  06:02

There's the unskippable IRL ad, like hey

Collin Funkhouser  06:07

guys OG unskippable ad, long before Spotify or YouTube made you do it this people you'd go to and somebody would stand up there and not very well explained to you what their business does. And I know this, like, I know this. And so it is hard for me to, like, get up there and like, no matter, because it's like, no matter what I say, what no matter what we say, it's still going to be it's advertising to people so that it gets blotted out, right? Because everybody blocks out advertising. But what if

Brandon  06:42

you're what, if you lean into it, like Billy may style, like now, like, have you ever wondered what to do when you have to go out of town but you can't take your pet? Well, worry no more.

Collin Funkhouser  07:00

So, you know, I'll just have you come up and do it for me next time. All right,

Brandon  07:04

yeah, I'm available for voice recordings, just case you're wondering.

Collin Funkhouser  07:10

Know anybody? You know that part is just like, I recognize that they are there. They want to get to the speaker and the content and or they want to hear from the city administrator or the county people and so that I'm standing up there wasting their time. So we did have a little quick spiel, like we practiced it on the way down. We had two minutes, I think we did it in like a minute, 10 seconds, and then they were nice, done. Well, I have yet to do what I actually want to do is walk up and say, Hi, my name is Collin. Everybody hates ads. I have a Funky Bunch of pet hair, no ad today, and I just want to walk away like it's an ad,

Brandon  07:49

but not an ad. Like, that's really well, anti

Collin Funkhouser  07:50

ad, yeah, didn't do that. However, in our spiel, we had just a few quick little like, just key points about us and what we do. And then at our table, people would come by and like, would ask questions, and I'm like, I looked you in the face and I said this thing about me, I you know the answer to this. Like, I almost wanted to just say, I'm not answering this, because I need you to just think for a minute. Hey, that's my move.

Brandon  08:27

That's what I'm supposed to do. That's what I do to children's right? Like, hey, what am I supposed to do? Here we go. Did you hear what I

Collin Funkhouser  08:36

said two seconds ago? Now, imagine. Now. Imagine bankers, right? Oh, oh, here

Brandon  08:45

you go. Here's another good one, right? Here's what I like to hit him with, sometimes, right? Because sometimes I'll like, I'll read some of the directions, right, and then I also post the directions with their assignment, right? And so if they ask, What do I got to do? I will say things like, man, sure would be helpful if somebody would have posted those directions somewhere where you could read them. Man, it's too bad no one would ever do a thing like that.

Collin Funkhouser  09:15

I know

Brandon  09:18

they love that one. They love that one.

Collin Funkhouser  09:20

That's I guess I should have said, man, it should nice if someone stood in front of the room with a microphone, brandishing his arms around and explained this to you 23 minutes ago.

Brandon  09:30

And at least, at least like your like name also mildly indicates what you do, right? Like, hey, we're Funky Bunch pet care, you can infer quite a bit, like some of these people, they're like, oh, yeah, we're a Zane Incorporated. You're like, Yes, I don't know what that means. I don't know. Or when it's just like, blah, blah, blah logistics. Like, I. Me, or, like, what is something like, blah, blah industries, yes, okay, I'll just be, I have no idea why you're talking about.

Collin Funkhouser  10:13

I'll just be over here in the corner. Don't mind me. Yeah, exactly like, at least I'm giving clues, you know? Yeah, this was, that was the most frustrating part of like, I've just had this conversation, but it did go well because April, we were sitting here recording mid April. April is pet first aid month, and so what I like about

Brandon  10:35

aren't you officially certified in this

Collin Funkhouser  10:37

now, I am not just officially certified. I am an instructor,

Brandon  10:41

yeah, officially certified instructor, first aid. How exciting.

Collin Funkhouser  10:48

So I at the what I like about this one is, as you come in, you get a raffle, right? And then at the end of it, any business who is there. Can put something in the raffle, and you walk up on stage, they hand you a microphone. You're supposed to say who you are, who you're with, what the raffle is. So it's a next, it's an extra little like boost for you. So I came out and I said, Collin funk bunch April's pet first aid month, and so we are giving away two pet first aid kits. Ah, ah, nice. This is something nobody like, nobody expects. Like, boom, yeah.

Brandon  11:36

Everyone's like, like, the Spanish Inquisition,

Collin Funkhouser  11:40

maybe, but, but actually anti, because it's first aid kit. So it's true, it's like

Brandon  11:47

the anti Inquisition. That's a good point. But yes, what they thought they were doing to them

Collin Funkhouser  11:53

turns out healing. There's no

Brandon  11:57

Yeah, turns out no.

Collin Funkhouser  12:00

So, so this is very unique, because it's not a koozie. It's not Tumblr that they pulled off their desk running in three seconds before they were supposed to do.

Brandon  12:12

Not generic Tumblr with different name printed on the side. I think

Collin Funkhouser  12:16

one lady actually, one day, had a Tumblr with just like a bunch of pens in it that I fairly certain she just grabbed out of her drawer

Brandon  12:24

from her desk. This is a white elephant gift. You got the occasion wrong? Okay? That is, yes, that's off his white elephant gift party. That's what.

Collin Funkhouser  12:35

Now, there's one, there's one there. It's, um, again, like, I'm all for, like, really memorable stuff that's really on brand, so like, the tumblers and the T shirts and stuff that's That's annoying. There's one there. It's called Marketing. By what is it? She goes, I'm Hi, my name is Mandy. I'm with marketing. With Mandy, I do marketing. It's great. And then what she does is she has her marketing with Mandy popcorn mix that one of her clients, who she partners with, who pays her to do their marketing, they're like, they also, they're like a popcorn company. And so she has them make a special mix of flavors. Nice, yes. And so it's like, you can't buy this, you can't get this anywhere. And she's giving away her exclusive mix of popcorn.

13:36

Like, what I

Collin Funkhouser  13:38

love this so much I do. This is excellent. Yes, this is, this is how you do this, people. This is the kind of and it's, it's, I'm sure there's some sort of bartering going on where she's not, oh yeah for sure. For this, she's still out rendering the services and whatever, for the popcorn. But it's like, that, it's unique. It's special. It's got her own sticker on it, like, marketing by Mandy nicks and, like, just like, it's so great, and that's what we were trying to go for. That's what I'm trying to go for with, like, the we're giving away pet first aid kits, like, it communicates, it's different. It's a little quirky. It's also pretty serious and dull, but, like, it's not popcorn, but, like, whatever, like, we're working on this. So that's like, like, Oh, I found this. Plus, I can get them in bulk for like, $10 a piece, so they're not insane. And if I do one a month, that's only 12 a year, like I think I can do that. So that's our new thing of trying to do that to make this interesting and helpful. Because nobody needs another tumbler, nobody needs another t shirt or pen collection. I I got Brandon. Are you familiar with Cutco knives?

Brandon  14:52

Absolutely not. I have no idea what you were speaking of here.

Collin Funkhouser  14:59

Cutco. Cutco American Made Knives guaranteed forever. If you do this, you can buy sets Cutco makes their millions, not by you run of the mill, person coming in and buying them. No, no. Somehow Cutco knives and knives sets have become this, like it's what you give people while you're, like, wooing them to mark, like, to get them to do business with you, right? Like, What a

Brandon  15:28

strange gift.

Collin Funkhouser  15:30

And here's, here's, was their innovation? Let's say you are a sales like,

Brandon  15:36

cutlery, or is this? Like, yeah, it's pocket knives.

Collin Funkhouser  15:40

No, this is like kitchen knives, okay, all right,

Brandon  15:42

that's what, okay for, okay, that's even, I think

Collin Funkhouser  15:45

it might be weirder. No, no, because, right? Because here's where their knife is, here's was,

Brandon  15:51

they also bring you pork chops, right?

Collin Funkhouser  15:55

Ah, no. Their innovation was, you can buy any of their knives. And for example, these are, these are not cheap knives. Their stainless steel table knife is $80 that's the knife that's you're supposed to go on the table with you. I have a

Brandon  16:20

lot of questions, because, like, as far as like knives go, and how a lot of knives are branded stainless steel, not exactly like what you're going for, right, like, right, you need some sort of, like, number marketing, right? Like, not just stain like all those German knife companies like George stainless steel, bro, yeah. Like, no, that's not,

Collin Funkhouser  16:47

no, I got a santaku, so I actually did one win, one of these from a while ago, a stainless steel sorry, it's a santaku style trimmer with sheath in white pearl. It's $120 knife. So these are not inexpensive,

Brandon  17:03

but so this is, like, that's the same price as, like, a voost, yeah, right, yeah. These are kind of insane.

Collin Funkhouser  17:10

Yes, that same quality stuff. Here's where they really up this. Though you can pay for two separate things. One, these will come in a gift set box where it's like, welcome to the Cutco family and blah blah. It's presented really nice, so already it's kind of elevating that experience. Secondly, you can brand these now here. So here's, here's what, here's where people go wrong. And this is if you're listing people and you're in your your marketer, here's what I need you to desperately do. Never give a gift with your company's logo on it. That's not a gift. That's branding and marketing what you do. And here's where this because some guy wrote this book about, I forget what it was. He's all about Cutco. It's something about client happiness. I read it.

Brandon  18:08

I cannot tell you how much I do not want to read that. I know. Don't put that on the reading list. Okay? It was actually

Collin Funkhouser  18:15

his whole point was, like, get to know the person you're trying to connect, connect with and surprise them in a unique way. So, like, one of the examples was, is he was trying to get this client to use his whatever system, and he took him to it's all that like, Hey, let me take a client to dinner, right? It's that kind of thing. But instead of taking to dinner, he, like, found out that his wife, his favorite movie, was, like, Casablanca, and so he went out and found an autographed poster from one of those people in there and, like, gave that to him, like, that kind of stuff. Like, how to actually do gift giving well in a corporate sense.

Brandon  18:49

Like, yeah, except for that's just how to give gift giving Well, period.

Collin Funkhouser  18:55

This is, like, this is because marketers, marketers suck at this. Marketers cannot in and of like it is impossible for them to be selfless. So this marketing, yeah, this is, this is novel to them. So if you're listening to this and you're in marketing, you don't give a cut coat knife with your company's logo on it. You give

Brandon  19:18

with their company there.

Collin Funkhouser  19:21

They're either their company logo or their name on it. Now you've given them something personalized, and they're going to think about you without having to see your name on it every time. So that's the spirit behind these, and that's where they make a lot of their money, is in like these gift sets that people buy for other people form, like marketing and etc. But people do swear by these. They're supposed to be amazing and whatever, whatever, whatever. The one I got was branded with that person's company. So. Failed this test. So I will have a link in the show notes cut go in. Should send this to you so you can no dear

20:11

but own face on one.

Collin Funkhouser  20:17

So I did that. I didn't win anything this time, which is that was your, your your branding, branding corner. Oh, good job. And then I joined secret organization. Oh, can you talk about it here? I can't. Are you a Freemason? Drink water first, and look at my

Brandon  20:38

handler in the corner. Okay, Collin, are you a Freemason?

Collin Funkhouser  20:50

We've been trying to figure out ways to get like this is like branding, marketing kind of stuff with my business is all I do these days. I joined the Springfield. Apartment and Housing Association.

Brandon  21:08

Um, okay, please elaborate on why you would do such a thing as

Collin Funkhouser  21:17

a person

Brandon  21:18

that does not live in Springfield or sell houses.

Collin Funkhouser  21:21

Very honestly, I do this mostly to be spiteful, but that's something else. Ah, the

Brandon  21:29

best reason to do anything, yes,

Collin Funkhouser  21:31

yes, it's because, here is the thing, people, people who live in apartments, have pets. I want to take care of their pets, and I have been for the last eight months, contacting, messaging, calling. I've been messing I've been I've been reduced Brandon to doing direct messages on Facebook. Oh no, I have the worst cold call with property managers, apartment managers, complexes assistant managers, and nobody returns my message. And so dang because I want to just put my flyers in their office. That's all I want. I maybe host an event there help people. Hey, I'll even do a discounted pet First Aid CPR class for your residents. You need events. I'll do an event for you. Here you go. And getting a hold of these people is impossible, because I get it. I'm weird. What I do is weird. I'm not a lawn mower or an HVAC person or a power washing company. So usually not

Brandon  22:44

that weird, though. Like, everybody has seen a movie with a dog walker in it, right? And even though you don't just like exclusively walk dogs, like they get the vibe, right?

Collin Funkhouser  22:53

But here's the thing, they don't know how it applies to them, because nobody does this, right? They don't immediately see, oh yeah, I have a need for that. Because when a when a when a lawn crew guy comes up and he's like, I'll cut your lawn, they're like, Yes, I have grass that needs to be cut. How much do you like they can start there. This is a service to their residents that they're like, I don't even understand, right? Like they are.

Brandon  23:21

So let's be honest, it's because they don't understand service to residents. That's where they don't understand, okay, that's, that's the hang up here, right? They just are property managers that are making money off of rent. That is all they care about. And so providing a service is a foreign concept. Like, what do you mean? I could be helping people. That's not how this works.

Collin Funkhouser  23:54

So, like, and I get that like they This is so not on their radar. They they're so used to like while I was in line for food at this meeting, the two people behind me, one guy, all his company is and this is all his company. I'm not going to say the name of this company, but it's a very bad name for this company, and I'll text it to you.

Brandon  24:19

It's something logistics, isn't it?

Collin Funkhouser  24:22

He, they, they repair bathtubs, okay, and they developed this proprietary

Brandon  24:33

that's a terrible name. Oh my gosh, get out.

Collin Funkhouser  24:37

I can't say this.

Brandon  24:39

Yeah, hashtag, no free advertising for garbage, but like, oh my gosh, it's so bad.

Collin Funkhouser  24:45

It's this is, this is terrible. And it's like, on their shirt, if there's a tub,

Brandon  24:51

like, it's, oh, the only way this could be worse is if they leaned into, like, the William Howard Taft branding, right?

Collin Funkhouser  24:58

Like you think. They're back. Giant guy there no anyway they developed this patch. And what this patch does is it allows apartments to basically do a custom seal and patch on their own that they would have had to pay a repair guy to come in and do so they, like, while in line, made a deal for this, and they had never met each other before, and it was just like, what do you do? What do you do? I need that absolutely. Here's my card. I'll call you on Tuesday. We're gonna, like, I'm like, here's my main. Like, it was amazing. And nobody thinks like that for what we're offering. So I says to myself, self, if they won't respond to your messages, you need to go crash their party. Oh, yeah. So did I? Did I pay an association fee? Yes. Oh, was

Brandon  25:58

it a steep Association fee,

Collin Funkhouser  26:03

what I found is they have two tiers. It's like, are you an apartment? Yes, no. I was like, Oh no. And then like, Okay, you are an vendor. And I'm like, Ah, yes, I am.

Brandon  26:14

And vendor, yes

Collin Funkhouser  26:16

I am, and vendor, sweet. And so I, I was like, Okay, so I'm paying a vendor rate.

Brandon  26:24

It's not okay. It's not so bad.

Collin Funkhouser  26:26

It's probably better. I'll just say, Yeah, but like, you know what? I need to be here. I'm just gonna go. And I found out. I didn't even but I didn't even know this because I I knew nothing about this. I just saw who were members of this and I'm like, I gotta be there, so I applied, paid the membership fee, set up my profile, paid I paid money to go to this lunch. Just waltzed in. And they do at the beginning. They allow all of the vendors who are present a couple minutes to tell people about themselves.

27:05

Hey guys, Collin here.

Collin Funkhouser  27:09

Well, I had genuine idea, so I all I said for this first intro, I was pretty much what I said earlier, of like, Hi everybody. I'm Collin, my wife and I own Funky Bunch pet care. You've got pets. Your people in your community have pets. I can't take care of them. Talk to me to learn more. That's all I said. I sat down, right?

Brandon  27:30

Nice, nice. Leave them wanting more, right? They go.

Collin Funkhouser  27:34

Tantalizing. Yeah. So I my next one. What I'm going to say is people. I would just want to start off by saying happy people stay in their resident longer. Pets make people happy. I You do the math, I make pets happy. I take care of pets. Happy pets, happy residents, happy you. I'm Collin with Funky Bunch. I'm gonna sit down. That's what I'm gonna say. That's all,

Brandon  28:10

yeah, there we go. Like, there we go, because

Collin Funkhouser  28:15

I have to get away. Like, this is hard for me. I have to get away from just, like,

Brandon  28:20

over explaining what, Collin, you would never that

Collin Funkhouser  28:26

short, succinct to the point I'm not solving their problem. I'm trying to solve a problem for the residents, which we did already talk about, how they don't really think about, yeah, so, you know, there's that. So this is, I'm in, I'm in a new secret organization, and I'm, I'm happy by this,

Brandon  28:50

the Fraternal Order of housing and development. There we go.

Collin Funkhouser  28:54

Yes, it's gonna be great. But anyway, that's been my week, and then tomorrow, I'm actually traveling back down because I am teaching a pepper state class to my employees, not to the public, but employees, lots of fun. Yes, that's, I don't What about

Brandon  29:26

you? Well, last we met, last time we talked, I had to rush off for Quintin Yarra action, right? So that was super awesome. I don't remember somebody told me, but I forgot whatever band they had playing at the end during the party time was just super awesome. There was like 20 billion people on the little stage, and it was fantastic, right? Like it was so good, right? So I can't remember. I'll have to ask again, see if the other woman girls can tell me. But the band. Time that was playing was amazing. So we stayed for some of that part too. So we saw the we ate, we hung out and talked to much people, and then we watched the the presentation. It's like, they do the thing where there's like, like, important family members give, like, presents, right? Like, it's like uncles and like godparents and like stuff. There's like, certain presents that they give for a certain thing, right? There's like a somebody gives, like the crown, like it goes from like a at the beginning they wear like a little tiara, but then they're presented with like a crown, because now they're like a womanhood and whatever. And then like, somebody gives, like, some other jewelry. Sometimes there's an earrings and, like a necklace. And a lot of these ones, somebody will give like new, like boots, right? Like big cowboy boots, right? Somebody gave her a hat. And then there's, like, a surprise, the suppressor, which is like, just whatever, like whoever, Auntie or whatever. Got some crazy right? So we stay for that part. And then we they did the dance they always do like a, like the the girl and like her escort. And there's like a court, right, basically, right, that they do like a dance thing, like a big dance that they've been working on. And then there's like, dances with, like, Mom and Dad, and sometimes, you know, whatever other family members are there that they have like, a dance with. And then then they just kind of stopped for a while, and everybody, like, just slowly went outside, right? And they don't always do this one, but like, they like, because this girl has like, giant family, right? And so they all a bunch of people went outside, like friends, relatives, like family members. They go outside, and then the band walks in, playing, right? And they all walk in behind them, like dancing. And it's like this big, like circle dance thing all around the dance floor is awesome. So, like, like, march in, right, like, this big, like, it's like a, it's like, very New Orleans II, a little bit, where they're all just, like rocking out and like dancing as they come in, like, go around the building, and then they just go into this big circle. And they did that, and then they went up on stage and played a bunch more songs. And so we stayed for a little bit of that and came home. So that was pretty awesome. It was great. Salvage people, fun times yesterday I spent way too many hours on a school bus, right? Because we did, in fact, take a field trip to the Titanic Museum in Branson, right? It was, yeah, it's pretty good, right? I think, I think though, right. Have to retool this field trip slightly if we, if we attempt to do this again, because it's the the amount of hours on bus per amount of hours like walking through Museum, was not really great. It was not a good ratio. It's a little too far away, right? For meaningful things to happen. Like, because we were on a bus for, like, the ride down there is like forever, right? Because there's no straight road to Branson, right? You got to go over there, over there. And the bus driver went on like some bizarre scenic route through Stone County that I wrote I've never seen in my entire life of living here. I've never went places I never heard of

Collin Funkhouser  33:34

but it was faster. Oh, whatever helps.

Brandon  33:39

But, you know, long time on a bus versus, you know, just a little bit of time there versus and then a long time one of us back to school. So I was a bit is the ratio of time on bus to time, like in museum, this kind of, not great, this fan of that,

Collin Funkhouser  33:59

that I have been very mindful of way of thinking of like, travel and trips, of what's the ratio of in the R to on the ground time? Yeah, is it actually going to be worth it? So I'm, I'm right there

Brandon  34:13

with you on the sorry, I was trying to turn my fan on while you were talking, and you stopped anyway. Yes. I was like, reaching. It was like, wait, no, yeah. So it was good, though. I think they enjoyed it, right? There's they liked all this stuff. I also none of us, I think so, some like me and one of the other teachers had been there before I it was, I think the museum was also shorter than we thought. It was, Oh, two, right? I thought there was more stuff in there, but, I mean, it was cool, and they liked it, and they liked looking at the artifacts, and they like doing things like that and everything. But I think we like also finished slightly faster than we thought we were going to, and we're like, Ah, okay, direct arena. But I think it was, it was they enjoyed it, right? They had fun. They weren't at school. So. They don't care, right? They seem to that. Nobody said to me, man, I hated that. So that's a win. That's okay. We'll take that. It's pretty good. But before my surprise for you, Collin, I do have a quote of the week here. Oh, oh, okay, right, yeah, right, right. Okay, this one, I really don't know what was said Previous to this,

Collin Funkhouser  35:30

right, which is why these are so fantastic, yeah,

Brandon  35:36

but they just said. The thing that I heard as I walked by was, I'm sorry. I think I was just hungry.

Brandon  35:48

I'm sorry. You know what? Like, I think they like, snapped at him a little bit earlier, like, I'm sorry. I think I'm just hungry. You know what that

Collin Funkhouser  36:00

that is, a self aware person right there. That is, I know it was great, though it was great, great. And, yes, it's like, what, wait, what? What happened? Why the hunger? What would you do?

Brandon  36:10

Yeah, and, I mean, this is the class, like, right before lunchtime. Oh, so, you know, haven't eaten lunch yet, right? It's almost noon. Getting a little antsy. You know, sometimes we don't eat breakfast, and then we're like, grumpy, but it was, this is an unusual amount of self awareness. Yes, what I but I did, like, I'm sorry. I think I was just hungry.

Collin Funkhouser  36:38

Okay, well, I

Brandon  36:50

Oh, Collin, this week, I have sort of melted my brain. Oh, no, right, doing some research for the show what you're not supposed to do that, as it turns out, Collin, did you know that there are like over 30 movie and theater adaptations for great expectations?

37:16

Do you know this? I did not know this.

Brandon  37:19

Yeah, movies, TV in theater. There's an absurd number of adaptations of this

Collin Funkhouser  37:26

property, okay,

Brandon  37:28

yeah, yeah. Wonder, yeah. I wonder why that fact is relevant. Collin, that's because I watched four of them. Okay, I'm here to tell you about a selection of the very best and the very worst screen adaptations for green.

Collin Funkhouser  37:47

I was so worried that number was going to be higher. I was so worried I

Brandon  37:51

it was I might have a bonus one later, if I can like but the amount, oh my gosh, some of these. It was a struggle. Yeah, right. Is struggle. Anyway, I do want to I had a thought while I was watching these though, right? Because there are some where, like, you can clearly tell that they watched one of the other ones, right? No, no, it's just like homages, right? Where it's like inspired by but this got me wondering. Collin, the very first adaptation is a 1917 silent film that is a lost film, right? No known copies of this film currently exist. Wild I know so I want I wonder, were there things in that movie that have influenced the couple that came after that that then became like important staples for the movie version of this story, right? There is another silent film that came after. I didn't watch that one because I couldn't, but like, I just kind of wonder, like, I wonder if there was something in there that was like, that became a staple for this and like, now we don't have that original form anymore, 100% was there some seed that, like, somebody, because, surely, there was another silent film that came out, like, not too long after that one. So, like, surely, maybe they saw the first one, and then they, like, watched this, like, and then maybe they helped make this, you know. And there was like, Oh yeah, inspired by, there was, like, something like, Oh, that was cool. Like, I want to do that, but like, more, right? Like, what seeds were planted in the 1917 version that are no longer accessible to us. We can't

Collin Funkhouser  39:47

know No, right? That's, uh, that'll, that'll keep you awake at night.

Brandon  39:52

Yeah, it did, right? It helped me power through at least one of these movies, right? Mm. So I have watched four. I've got for you, Collin, a selection of four movies from four different decades, right? We're gonna begin in 1946 Okay, and we're starting on a high note, because this is widely regarded as the best version. Oh, really. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. It actually won awards for Best Cinematography, which, holy cow, I 100% believe that this movie is gorgeous, okay, and best art direction for interior design.

Collin Funkhouser  40:35

Ooh, yeah,

Brandon  40:37

yeah, pretty good. Collin, we have the 1946 version of Great Expectations, starring John Mills as Pip, Valerie Hobson as Estella and Collin Collin Alec Guinness is Herbert. No, yes, yes, yes. A very, very young

Collin Funkhouser  41:04

Alec Guinness, yeah, he would

Brandon  41:07

have been. Is Herbert?

41:08

Oh, my goodness,

41:11

baby. Alec Guinness

Collin Funkhouser  41:13

does amazing. Yes, it is no way, right?

Brandon  41:18

Already they're running for best. Herbert, okay, amazing. Yes,

Collin Funkhouser  41:28

that is crazy. Do you know how old he was in this?

Brandon  41:31

No, I don't. I didn't look it up. I just was like, Oh, my God. Okay. And also the trope begins of fat Jaggers in this movie. Holy cow. What a corpulent guy he is in this.

41:50

Okay, that's not really the

Brandon  41:54

vibe, no. Also this, oh, I'll get we'll get you. We'll get there anyway. So we have a very exciting introduction where it's like, reading the book, and then, like, they do, like, voiceover narration, okay, right? Very, very classic 40s thing, right? Voiceover narration for the movie, right? And there's like, this cool part where it's like, the wind blows the pages, and then it transitions to the wind on the marshes. It was like, I was like, oh, okay, okay, I see you Best Cinematography. I see where you're going here. I am all in. It was excellent, right? Whoever? I don't remember who it was, but whoever played Joe in this movie is also very good, right? Like they are really, they really do a good this is like one of the all the Joe's are pretty strong in all these versions, right? Not too bad. So he did a good job with Joe. Joe is excellent. There is a very hilarious part that I wrote down about to tell you that whenever he's like running. They have a part where he, well, he's going to the churchyard, or whatever the he's running past all the cows in the it's like, he's like, thinking that the cows are like, talking to him, like, where you going? Boy, where you go? Like, yes, yes. I was like, Oh, my God, this is for Collin. And I also wrote down, man, they definitely nailed the mist, right about that to

Collin Funkhouser  43:23

have it all in the right places.

Brandon  43:25

Have it all in the right places. Now this movie begins something that is consistent through every version that I watched, okay, which is what started making me think about this 1917 version, right Orlick does not appear in any of them. No, yes, that whole storyline is gone, right? Which, yeah, all, no Orlik at all. They're all just like, oh yeah, sister got sick, heart died. Like, that's what, that's how it happens in every single version.

Collin Funkhouser  44:03

That is not what I expected.

Brandon  44:07

Yeah, and no orlic at all, which makes sense in a movie, because you cut out all this stuff at the beginning and then towards the end, you don't worry about it at all, right? You don't return and do all the blah, blah, blah, and that doesn't happen, right? Sure. Also, there is no startop

Collin Funkhouser  44:23

anywhere. Oh, well,

Brandon  44:25

that character, I mean, again, this is unsurprising, but like, that character does not appear. So, yeah, no Orlick, right? This movie does a very funny thing, where, like, it's like in the book, where it talks about, like he when he gets his first clothes fit in town, right? Like they're kind of, it's described as good for the town, but, like, not fashionable for London. You know, yes, and I did write down here, oh my god, what is that hat? Like? It's like I wrote, it's pilgrim Pip, because it's not. Right sort of top hat that anybody else is wearing? And just like, Oh my gosh. Like, what's going on here? Um, and so, like, this is so that most of them have, like, the beginning part nailed, right? They do the thing go here, here's Habersham, here's playing, here's a Stella blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then once he gets to London, then it starts going off the rails, right? And then there's, like, several story beats that are always in the movie, and then there's some that are just like a free for all. And who knows, and what on earth are you doing here? Like, here, like we never go to Jaggers house. Molly just is at the office all the time, right? So she's there. And, like, also this book, this version, has, like, no women, right? Interesting. So there's no whimmick, there's no pumblechook I wrote, oh no, how terrible. So there's no it's weird. There's no whitmick, there's no pumblechook, there's no Clara, right? Like, we don't really find out about Molly even being related to Estella until like an hour and 40 minutes in. And this is like an hour and 50 some minute movie, really. Yeah, I was right. I wrote no Molly being estella's Mom, question mark at 132 an hour 32 and then a little bit later, right? Oh, here it is. JK and Jaggers. Just, like, basically tells him right. He just, like, comes out and tells him right. Like, oh, like, you know, he just does that. The other weird thing that this movie does is because, because the the Pro, the port of the mag, which is like, property is portable. Property, yeah, right, because it can't go to pip. PIP wants to make sure that it goes to a Stella, because they say, like, it can go to a relation. So PIP works really hard to make sure it gets to a Stella, see,

Collin Funkhouser  47:09

okay, that is interesting, because I really thought that that was going to be a more important aspect of this, of the story, yeah, of him trying to track her down, because obviously, he, you know, loves her, you know, blah, blah, but he wants what's best for her. And there's this thing that's not happening that makes a lot of sense, yeah.

Brandon  47:31

And so this, this movie basically, like, really, just streams line the pipistella thing, right? A lot, nothing else is really in it, right? Like, Pip doesn't, like, go work with, like Herbert, right? He doesn't help Herbie do anything, right? He, like, does whatever. And also, at the end, they also cut out all the other like, weird Joe, bitty stuff, like Joe, like he just after PIP gets sick, Joe brings PIP back to their house, and Joe and bitty are already married, and Pip, like, knows about

Collin Funkhouser  48:05

it, right? Oh, so it's not that,

Brandon  48:07

yeah, it's not like awkward. There's no like awkward, like, right? So they just, they really, like, cut right to it. And then, and then, Collin, how about a secret third ending for the book? Right? Our book had two endings. This version goes full blown with the third ending. Now this is inspired by what, at one point, when they're a little bit older, Estella talks to pip, and they're walking in their garden, and she's talking about, do you dream that you're the knight, right? Rescuing everyone and like, tearing down the sheets and all that. Right? Remember that part? Yes, yeah, so that's what happens at the end of this book, right at the end of this play, right? So basically, Jaggers had told Estella about the her real parents, and Drummle had left her and so she has moved into status house to become the new Miss Haversham, right? So she is sitting alone in the dark in the room, and PIP is like the house is still up, right? It hasn't been torn down yet. Also, that's important for this so he like, you have to leave, you have to come home. And he starts ripping down the curtains and dramatically letting all of the sunlight in to the house. Yeah, right. And then she like, the curtains being torn down, like, snap her out of this revelry, and then she, like, embraces PIP and they're like, all happy and joyful, and then they, like, hold hands and frolic out the front gate, and that's

49:52

the end. That might be a bit much. I don't it's a

Brandon  49:54

bit much, right? We don't really get, like, a lot of the new there is no nuance. In this movie, right? It's like, none like, it's all gone, right? It's like, not there, really. So it's pretty, pretty crazy. Also, there's this movie. Also, you may notice there's no copy song storyline, really, either, right? The character is there, but only as a foil for Magwitch. The mention of his involvement with Habersham is nowhere to be seen. That only, actually, I think, appears in one of these movies also, yeah. So, like, he's there as the villain, as the the part where he, like, has betrayed Magwitch, and they are like enemies is in the movie, sure, but like, you don't really know why, right? It's like, this movie. I think this is the one, too, where, like, like, wimick is in the movie, kind of, but he's, like, just at jagrick's office. So like, later on, they do show the thing where, like, they send, he sends the note to pip telling him not to go home. And so you're just like, why would he do that? Like, that doesn't make any sense. They have, like, no relationship. He just, like, talked to him once,

Collin Funkhouser  51:11

yeah, that kind of thing. It's like, he's just, like, a, yeah, not a busy body, but like, I don't know, kind of, like, all, I don't know.

Brandon  51:20

Yeah, he's also, I never really pictured women as being like, way older. But like most of these movies make him old, like he looks significantly older.

Collin Funkhouser  51:31

Well, that's also probably because, in the book, he's getting married.

Brandon  51:38

Yeah, that's true. And since they don't put any of that in there, just like, oh, he just like, oh, he just works for jackers. And it can be like, yeah, only one of them has a woman where I was like, Oh, he is older than PIP but like, he doesn't look like he's like, 60, right? Like, this looks like he's like, 55 years old. You're just like, What the heck? Like, he almost looks older than Jack Right? Like, that's weird what's happening here. So overall, this one is a pretty good movie, but, like, it really leaves there's no nuance in this movie. It is a much happier version of the story, right? Yeah. But when you get this version, like, no motivations are gone or there, like, and so you're just like, What the heck? You're like, Why does PIP even, like, Stella, I don't really understand any of this. Like, a lot of these motivations don't make any sense whatsoever. Like, meh, right? It's very weird. Yeah, you kind of lose as

Collin Funkhouser  52:42

well, and especially without the Yeah, like, that's an interesting time. I don't know. I don't know about, I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, how, how do they resolve the Magwitch thing again? Like, how,

Brandon  52:54

oh, it's the same. Like, he goes, they, it's the same, they, they're going on the boat. But it is just like, oh, boom. We got to get him out of here they go. They dress him up as a captain. They go on the boat. There's just a police boat there, attacked, run over by the steamer, done like, it's that part's the same. Oh, interesting. He dies. But then PIP is worried about getting the property to Estella, yeah, right, okay, but that part's all the same, right? That part's all there, yeah. So that part, yeah, it's kind of weird, you know, whatever. So, yes, okay, what do we got next here? We've got, oh, okay, next up, Collin, I have the 1974 version. Oh. It was a made for TV movie. This movie is a wreck, right? It is absolutely a wreck. It's random. There's really weird stuff in here. The timeline is bizarre. However, I do have a reason for that, right? I think it's because this version was originally planned to be a musical. But what they changed their minds after seven weeks of filmmaking.

54:30

Oh, my goodness.

Brandon  54:33

So I think they kind of had to cut together a bunch of stuff that they had already, right. Yeah, and so this one is real weird, right? It's, it's crazy.

54:52

That is, I, I don't even know how you like what?

Brandon  54:59

Yeah. Yeah, so it's real smack. Also I wrote in big words here at the top. This was made in 1974 so all I wrote was, Oh, my God, the hair like it is just some of these people just have their actual haircuts. I think,

Collin Funkhouser  55:24

Oh, I guarantee you, they just walked on stage and were like, This, is it pips

Brandon  55:29

haircut in this Ruby is so bad, both, both young and old. Pip terrible. It's so distracting. It's so bizarre.

Brandon  55:45

The only person I know in this movie is Joss Auckland. Is Joe, right? This is Hans from the Mighty Ducks. Yeah, and the bad guy in Lethal Weapon too, right? This is, he is Joe. And he, I think, is the best part of this whole entire movie. Once again, Joe being the best character, okay, so, yeah. So, yeah. This is weird. They just sort of like, bring up Miss Havisham at Christmas dinner, and they're like, Oh yeah, you're gonna go here, blah, blah, blah. Like, they just, like, no intro. Just like, bang, the again. We have voiceover for all this stuff, right? We do get a timestamp of being in 1830 at this point. Also, oh, interestingly, right? But we just sort of jump in, right? We get the opening scene, graveyard, villain, I'll cut your liver out, whatever. And then the here's another place where, where something very weird is happening, right? First of all, at the beginning of this book, Pip is 15 So, or this version, Pip is like 15 years old. They mentioned that, so we've skipped already, like seven or eight years, right? Which jumping in, and they did not, they haven't they all these movies have like a young Pip, and then we transition to a different actor for old Pip, right? We have a different we have a young Estella, and then we transition to older Estella, not this movie. They just use the same woman, and she's like, 33 years old. Oh, but she's playing young Estella, and it's kind of creepy, right? She's like, prancing about and frolicking around her pigtails like you may kiss me if you like, you like but bro, what is this? No, no,

Collin Funkhouser  57:56

no, that's upsetting

Brandon  57:59

it and okay, I also wrote, once again, no orlic, because I didn't know this was a theme here. But also in this version, too, Miss H and Estella are way meaner than even in the book. Oh, they are straight up hateful, like it's all it's real bad.

Collin Funkhouser  58:21

Oh, they really play into that.

Brandon  58:23

They really leaned it into this, right? Just, just straight up brutal to pimp, like, way, way worse than the book, even, right. Just wait, really leaning in right. Also at the beginning, bitty is expected to marry Joe like he knows that they're gonna get married after sister, once again, just dies off screen, right? Okay, and I wrote here there's definitely no subtlety in the spirit.

58:55

Everyone just they know, yeah,

Brandon  59:00

we fast forward a little bit. We, we do this. We do our thing. Here. We fast forward us to 1836, right? We do the thing. Here's expectations. Go to London. Boom. We've talked to Jaggers a lot more. Jaggers also super hateful, right? He's just really terrible. But we do get a very excellent montage of Herbert helping him to do gentlemanly things, right? So they have the scene where he's eating and he's like, telling him not to stick his knife in the mouth and whatever. Okay? And then there's like, a montage of, like, Herbert teaching him how to dance, and Herbert teaching him how to fence. And then they box again together, right? Like that part's funny. And wherever house they're living in, this inn, the inn they're living in, right, Bentley just also lives there, right? He just lives downstairs. And a. And is mentioned that he is an accomplished duelist. Okay, that doesn't really come up again later, but they mentioned, okay, fair, right? That's all they have here, right? And then, like, right here they're meeting with Jaggers, and I just wrote PIP just gives Herbert a job question mark, like, What? What? What's happening, right? And then the part the random scene where they're eating, and like, he's like, look at these wrists. This is real strength in this woman, right? It's actually an arm wrestling contest, and Molly arm wrestles trouble. Slaps his head down on the table.

Collin Funkhouser  1:00:45

No, right? No, no, I'm not okay with that. It's really funny.

Brandon  1:00:53

It's really goofy. So that scene is here, kind of, but still, no, Weck really, like, wimick is a character, but like, he's not, he just appears in the office and then, like, never really again. Like, no more, no more. We make sad. I know pumblechook is in this movie a lot more, and he's terribly insufferable. So I wrote, hey, he sucks, but accurate.

Collin Funkhouser  1:01:16

Like, fair, they did, they did. They did. Goodbye him, right?

Brandon  1:01:26

And then, you know, basically everything is the same until we get closer to the end, right? They make a big deal here of Estella returning the jewelry to miss Haversham before she goes off to Mary Bentley, right? This is definitely, they really play into the fact that she's marrying Bentley to spite Haversham, right? The they really played into that. Like, I'm tired of my life, I'm tired of being shown off. I'm tired of all this stuff. And so she makes this big show giving back the box, like the jewelry box with all the necklaces and stuff, yeah? Severing that tight, which is where they discover who it still has parents are, because there is a locket in the box, right? So they read that and it says, it says, like, Molly Magwitch or something. And then Pip's like, what? And like, runs out. And this is where Miss Havisham, like, drops a candle on herself, right? This is how she catches on fire. In this one she like, drops a candle, right? Boom. And then the ending is, like, done. Like, it's super rushed, like, it just shows pit being sick, but there's no like, lead up to that. We haven't really Magwitch has barely been on screen, so, like, there's no bond with him. So when all of a sudden he's like, we have to help him. You're like, but you talk to him once, what do you mean? Like, they didn't show them doing this at all. Right, right. It's a whole thing. And then also, when Magwitch dies, I don't think PIP tells him about Estella, right? Like, that whole scene is not there, like he tells him, but he's already dead, like, there's no indication that he heard that. There's no, like, weird hand kissing thing. So it's like he is, like, Pip was too late with that information, which is the weird maybe he was supposed to sing it. I don't know. We have no lines for this. We have no lines for this. We don't really know. We do. We do. Okay, here's what we missed this phone, Collin, we should have picked up on this. Okay, we should have picked up on this, but this movie spells it out for us. This does help us a little bit. We do get some important context here, because, again, the movie, the end of this movie, is like, bang, bang, bang, done. We fast forward right. Whenever PIP says, Herbert and I went east, right, India, India. They were in India.

Collin Funkhouser  1:04:15

They were

Brandon  1:04:16

Yes, of course, because, of course, they were right, yes, obviously, we quit England to the east. Of course, they were in India. All right, right, here we go. But my adult brain just wanted the book to be over, I think, and I couldn't think about it. So we get a very explicit we have been in India, right? And they're back. They're back in London. It's now 1850 and it's Christmas time again. Christmas is in this movie a lot, by the way. I guess the authors read Christmas Carol, and they were like, ooh, all these things have to happen at Christmas, right? Because the beginning happened to Christmas, right with the dinner and the pork pie and all that stuff for now. Oh, Christmas again.

Collin Funkhouser  1:04:56

It's also a way to show passage of time.

Brandon  1:04:59

That is true. Like, there's also caroling, right? So we come back and we we have the house is being torn down for they're going to build the train station there, right? Pumblechook has this big thing about progress, pip cheerio, right? And so PIP like, goes to just look at the house one more time before it is torn down, right? That's his motivation for going there. And this movie does the cool thing where, I think the other one maybe did a little bit too, but this one does it cool where he's, like, walking through the house and as he looks at stuff like dialog from earlier, the movie plays for like, when he was younger, right? So it's kind of a cool, like, representation. It's like, kind of the echoey in the background, like voice lines of, like the lines from the beginning the movie when he was little Pip, right? When he's looking at, like the door and the fireplace and whatever. So that's kind of cool. And we get this shot of Estella. She's in the house, and she's sitting in Miss haver some chair, and it's like referencing the first movie where she's like, gonna take the place of Miss haver show. Oh, right. So it's like referencing that, right? And then, but then he's just like, I wrote, I wrote. Estella has missed H again, question mark. Dot, dot, dot. Nope. Just sitting in the dark. Okay. Like, in the other one, it was like, you know, how long have you been here? She's like, I live here. And this one, he's like, how long have you been here? She's like, I just got here. Like, I

Brandon  1:06:43

Okay, okay, so, so it's, I think it's like, it's referencing the 46 version a little bit, right? And then, and then we get this, this string of dialog, and I just wrote, I'm sorry. What? Where she says, she says that she married, the real reason she married Drummle was to escape loving PIP and that she had actually loved him all along. And I wrote, I'm sorry.

Collin Funkhouser  1:07:22

What? It's not. I don't I don't believe you.

Brandon  1:07:27

Don't believe her either. Remember how earlier I wrote straight up hateful right? Here is a direct quote from me, and then PIP declares that he still loves her. And then they leave through the gate again. Yeah. So this version Collin, I have, I, I cannot say it better than what somebody has already said, right? I will send you the I pulled up. I'll have to send you these. I have the Wikipedia articles pulled up here. So I'll send you these in a minute, but the right this is from the the listener. I don't know if this is like a newspaper or an article or whatever, but this is a critic comment from the time. Okay, I could say a lot about this movie, but why bother when it's been said so good by someone else, right? Everything is wrong with it, with a sort of dedicated, inspired wrongness that, in itself, is breathtaking. That's good, and this is very accurate, because this movie basically just, like, misses all the points, right? Like, yeah, misses every point. You know, that's

Collin Funkhouser  1:08:52

genuinely rich. I i need to save that

Brandon  1:08:59

so you could reuse that one for sure.

Collin Funkhouser  1:09:01

Oh, right, for sure. It's going, it that is going, like, Yes, I, I'm, that's amazing.

Brandon  1:09:07

Oh, man, oh man, it was that movie was it was hard to watch. It was rough. It was rough, right? But because it was only my second movie, I managed to make it right. Collin, the third one, I'm pretty sure, in here somewhere, I wrote, oh my god, if I was watching this on YouTube, I would put it on double speed, right, because, oh no, this next movie is it either lingers too long on things that it shouldn't, or it leaves out things entirely, right? Yeah, and it it just the pacing. This movie is weird, right? The things I think are important in this movie are weird. This movie. Excuse literally everything except for the PIP best Stella love story, right? Pretty much. Gosh, however, that is because Collin, this is the 1998 version of Great Expectations, starring Ethan Hawke and Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, a very young Gwyneth Paltrow as a Stella. Okay. Now, before I continue, I need you to know that this movie also is a contemporary setting, right? So this is a modern retelling I wrote 1998 contemporary resetting because, of course, it is, of course, because it's 1998 that's what you do in 1998 right? Everybody saw Romeo and Juliet like, Oh snap. You got to do that now, right? That's what we have to do now. You see that's what happened here. Okay, so, but, Collin, the casting of this movie? Yes, okay, the casting is movie. Collin, I don't know if you're ready for this. I don't Ethan Hawk is Pip, whose name is actually now. Finn, just kidding. Gwyneth Paltrow still a Stella, okay, Magwitch, who is now a person named lusting. Is Robert De Niro? No, yes,

Collin Funkhouser  1:11:13

they got Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro

Brandon  1:11:18

is the Magwitch insert character. How'd they get Robert De Niro, I don't know. Joe is Chris Cooper, dude, yeah, okay, Miss H right. Is Anne Bancroft, really? Yeah, whose name is now Dinsmore, by the way, Dinsmore and then Josh Mostel is Jerry ragnall, aka Jaggers boom Collin, the biggest sin of this movie, there is no Herbert character.

Collin Funkhouser  1:11:57

I wonder why? Yeah, they decided to do that. That seems like there

Brandon  1:12:01

is no Herbert, right? Well, here's why. I can tell you why. Okay, okay. Now, first of all, this movie does try to wash away some of its sins right at the beginning, because one of the quotes in the opening opening VoiceOver is, I'm not going to tell this story the way it happened. I'm going to tell it the way I remember it.

Collin Funkhouser  1:12:30

Okay, okay, so,

Brandon  1:12:33

so, okay, here we go. This. The beginning of this movie is in Florida, right? We are Gulf Coast Florida in the 70s, slash 80s, somewhere right, right around like 1980 probably, yeah. Okay, so Gulf Coast, so this is our impoverished area for now, Gulf Coast of Florida, right? Pip loves drawing. Okay, so he's out drawing stuff in his little drawing notebook where, so there's no graveyard, right? But Magwitch, I'm just gonna call him Magwitch, just for brevity sake, because I don't care about lusting, right? Whatever he like, just Pip's like, standing in the shallow water, like drawing, like a fish or whatever. He just pops up out of the water and grabs, oh my gosh. It's like, full blown, insanely mad Robert De Niro, like, grab it.

Collin Funkhouser  1:13:42

That's terrifying.

Brandon  1:13:44

He grabs him, right? He's like, shut your mouth, right? Puts his hand over his face, blah, blah, right? And that's important for later, right? He like, jumps out, shoves his hand on his mouth, and like, yeah, starts yelling at him, right? I can't remember what he said exactly. I didn't write down, but he was like, You be quiet like that, right? Anyway, so he goes, and he gets the bolt cutters and the stuff and whatever, right? Joe, not a blacksmith. He's a fisherman who is out of work on the big fishing vessels. So he's, like, a local fisherman, slash handyman, okay, right? Slash, handyman, handy, yeah. Then like, like he goes home. We like, learn that he leaves to take the bolt cutters back to the Magwitch character, and he tries to, like, take him with him in the boat. Like he like, he's like, come on, cater, come with me. And like, throws him in the boat and like, oh, leaves. And it's like, what the heck. But then the police boat comes and they're like, kid, what are you doing out here? And he's like, Ah, I'm just cruising around drawing. Sure. He's like, you seen a guy in the orange jumpsuit? He's like, nah. Because, like, as he came up, he jumped over the side and, like, swam over to a buoy, right? And he, like, hides around the backside of the buoy. And the police just go like, hey man. Well, you just, we'll just tell you in you should come with us. There's some dangerous dudes out here. He can't be out here right now. He's like, okay, cool. And he ties the line on, but as they turn their back to, like, pull the boat in Pip, like, kicks over the life jacket into the water, like, like, you see, he's slick with it, like that. So we go see that happens. We go see Joe gets a job to go to miss H to fix something, whatever they want to go stand in there. It's like this big southern mansion, and all of the wedding stuff is like outside in the garden, right? So it's like, super gross, and I'm thinking, like, how is that still there after like, 30 years of hurricane season like that? Doesn't seem right. Surely that that would exist. But whatever we learned from TV news broadcast that I wrote, lusting is on the run. He was in, he was in prison because he killed a mob boss. Because, of course, he did, of course. So there's no compison figure. He killed a mobster, right? Because, of course, Robert De Niro has to be part of the contract, I think it's like, must be there when we meet this Miss Densmore, aka Miss h here, she's like, singing and dancing around the room. So we have a very different character here, like, she's not really morose, she's not really sad. She's wearing, like, very bright color clothes and like dancing about she is wearing like, horrible makeup, like way too much like makeup, but like, she's definitely not sad, right? He's just like prancing about, right, which is really weird. So instead of wanting him to play, he wants she wants him to dance. And he doesn't know how to dance, but he can draw, so he draws a Stella, right?

1:17:43

Oh, here it is. Here we go.

Brandon  1:17:46

Actually, they also Estella and him, just like, kiss right now, like at the water fountain. That's weird. And then like, again, sister who just like, disappears, like we have no idea, she either dies off screen or just like, leaves and doesn't come back. We never really get a good answer to that, right? We jump forward to the 1980s where it is now older Estella and Pip, and they're still hanging out, and she goes, she has to go to some sort of big party, and PIP says he'll escort her, but he's not on the guest list. And then she jumps in his truck and said, This place sucks. Let's get out of here. And they go to Pip's house and have this, like, really awkward encounter, and then she just goes home. So like, that part was weird and didn't really need to exist, right? Uh, then we just, like, skip ahead some more, where she goes to school. And then Pip, like, loses his muse, and he gives up all of his art, right? And he just works with Joe as a fisherman slash handyman, right? But he gave up on painting, okay? But this lawyer guy shows up and says, I want to see your paintings, right? You've been commissioned to have an art show in New York. And he's like, bro, what are you talking about? And Joe brings up, like, over and over and over again that he did have that one art show that one time at the bank, because they, like, hung some pictures up in the bank, and Joe's, like, that's amazing, right? Chris Cooper here really plays into the Joe is, like, super good hearted, but like, really country Right? Like, really, really country Right? Like, really bad. So he goes to New York. He like, meets the people. He's talking about this stuff, blah, blah. And he just like, meets Estella in Central Park. Again, of course. Bang. Surprise. One dog. Like, at another drinking fountain, like, he's getting a drink from a water fountain, and she just, like, leans down and kisses him. He's like, like, scares the every little crap out of him. Like, as you know, you would if someone did that to you. He's like, Oh, my God, it's you. But she's with some guy who is actually Hank is area, right? Whose name is, like, Walter, right? He's not. He's actually a nice dude. His name's Walter, but he is, he is Hank is area because, of course, Hank is areas in this movie, also, that's really what this section is called. Is because, of course he

Collin Funkhouser  1:20:35

is, yes, right?

Brandon  1:20:37

So we go and she just, like, shows up at his little apartment thing and is like, he said, you want to paint me. And then she just, like, gets naked and stands around the apartment, and he starts painting her, like, whole bunch, you know, because it's not weird at all, right? Like, then, then this very strange thing happens where Hank is area shows up because he wants to talk to pip, and he sees all these paintings, and he's like, Ah, okay, wow, yeah. And he's like, he's, uh, he thinks that Estella is doing this because she's mad that he won't propose to her, right? And then that's this whole awkward thing here. Um, whatever. Yeah, fine, I don't know, but Pip. Then Finn, whatever. Pip moves into a bigger apartment thing. The lawyer guy gets him bigger apartment thing with, like, a studio so he can paint more. And then she just, like, tells him that, like they're at some sort of party thing. And then she's just like, Yeah, I'm marrying Walter. And then Pip, sort of like, loses his mind, right? He kind of goes crazy a little bit. He like, chases her down through the rain, because, of course, it's raining. And he just, like, walks into the restaurant where they're eating, and she goes, he just, like, walks up to her, goes, we dance with me, and they start dancing in the restaurant while her man, and like all these other people, are at the dinner table. It's very, very weird. I think I wrote here. I think I hate this version of PIP and Estella the most, right? Because they're just awful people, and they really nailed that aspect. But it's like, man, these characters have no motivation, and they suck. Hate them the most. They go back to the apartment, they have some sexy time, and then whatever. Now it's time for the big art show, right? Pips, this is why there's no Herbert, because PIP is an artist, and PIP has a job and a vocation, right? So we don't need a Herbie character who is the best character in the book. So like, why would we have him? No. Anyway, we have this big art show, right? And there's big opening, and this is all, there's all these hoity toity people, and all these hoity toity art people, and PIP is now a hoity toity art loser, and Joe shows up in a rented talks, and this is where the awkward Joe meeting ever the people comes happens. And it's like, super awkward, because it's like, this huge room full of people, and he, like, knocks over somebody's champagne, and he's telling them about that one time PIP had an art show with a bank and and PIP is, like, getting mad and, like, it's this whole really, really super terrible, awkward moment. And then the Joe would Joe leaves. He's like, super sad, like, and PIP is super sad. So he drinks some more, and he goes to estella's house, her apartment in New York, and he goes in there, and the door opens, and did miss Haversham is in there. What? What are you doing in New York? What? And he's like, I came for the event. And he's like, You didn't come to my show. She's like, No, honey, the wedding, right? And, yeah, so that's, that's a whole thing. This is where I wrote, If I were this is on YouTube, I would have watched it at faster speed, because it's terrible. He PIP hits the old uno reverse card on Haversham, and he tells her, he grabs her hand and puts it on his chest. He was like, What is this? That's right, it's my heart, and it's broken.

Brandon  1:24:51

Boom, the thing that she does to him when he was a kid at the beginning. Yeah. Oh, man, oh, man. I Okay, right. Right? See, see, this is terrible. Now, at 25 minutes left in the movie Collin, I wrote, oh, here's Magwitch. No, after all that, that's all one night, right? That part, the show, the Joe thing, the going, finding Habersham, having the meltdown, walking back home. He's in his apartment bag, which is in there already, right? Well, he meets him outside, and he's like, Hey, can I need to come in and use your phone. And you come use your phone, right? Well, he's like, yeah, come inside. And then this is where he the reveal happens. And he goes, You don't remember me, do you? He's like, I'm sorry, did we met and and this is where Robert De Niro, all of a sudden, it just jumps forward and grabs him by the face. He goes, shut your bad boy, shut your mouth. And then PIP has this, like, flashback, and he goes, Ah, you do remember me and like,

Brandon  1:25:59

and there's also a painting over in the corner, which is him. And he's like, see who's this good looking guy? You dude remember me? And he's like, Well, yeah, you kind of traumatized me. You scared the crap out of me. Of course, I remember that. So I Yeah, okay, yeah. Collin, yes, all that. And, yes, okay, yes. But now, instead of, instead of a compison, figure, it's the mob guys, right, right, he's got to get out of town, because the mob guys know he's there, sure. So he's like, you just got they like, so in this 25 minutes, they bond over this little bit of talking and attempting to get to JFK so that he can go to Paris, right? So he's like, this is all the bonding time they have. It's like two seconds, right? And then none. And then he's like, You gotta come to Paris. Everybody, all the artists, go to Paris. Paris is great. He's like, I can't go to Paris. He's like, why not go wherever you want? It doesn't matter. But the mob guys catch him in the subway, right, and they stab him, bam, right, boom. So as he's dying on the subway, he's like, Yo open the bag. He like, opens his suitcase. And he's like, get that, get that. And he has Pip's sketchbook from when he was a little kid, from when they met on the beach at one time. That's the artwork. That's he's, oh, he's the patron. Oh, we had this the whole time. Oh, my gosh, wow, that's amazing. And then he just sort of dies on the subway. And it's sort of implied that PIP is just sort of riding around on the subway for a long time, sitting with a dead Robert De Niro. Ah, and there's nobody on this subway in New York City.

Collin Funkhouser  1:28:01

Ah, something that has never happened before.

Brandon  1:28:05

And it's heavily implied that this is like six o'clock in the morning, so like prime time when many people would be on the sub, all

Collin Funkhouser  1:28:15

of the people would be on all the people,

Brandon  1:28:20

whatever. So Finn does go to Paris, right? He's goes to Paris for a few years. He becomes a barbadist guy, right? He goes home. He sees they go that had the Joe reunion. Oh, my God, Joe. And then whoever this other lady is, the bitty standing character. I didn't catch her name, because who cares at this point. I just want to be over because he's terrible. You and and then he hears that old, whatever the name of this house is, is gonna get torn down. They're gonna subdivide it. It's gonna be some sort of real estate subdivision. So Pip's like, Oh, I gotta go look at it, right? I gotta go see oh my gosh. But who's there? Oh, my God, it's a Stella and estella's daughter, right? So PIP sees the daughter, like, running through the garden, and he, like, has these weird flashbacks, and then he's like, What the heck? So he like, follows the girl inside, because he's like, what is happening? Like, am I actually crazy? What's going on? And then estella's in there. But this ending really is actually kind of like the book ending, a little bit, because they're in, well, it's like by a Docker river, but like they're talking, they hold hands, and she just says, Can you forgive me? And he says, Don't you know me at all. And then fade out. So it's like, it's, it's kind of like the book ending in that it's not like concrete about what's going to happen. Yeah, right. It's just kind of like there could be more things. So this one, at least has the book ending. Everything about about this movie is terrible. I. Right, absolutely awful

Collin Funkhouser  1:30:02

things wrong with it. I don't even know where to begin. I mean, first off, he this. The whole premise of this, I guess, is that he has a skill. The whole premise of the actual book is he has no skill.

1:30:17

Yes, yes, exactly nothing.

Collin Funkhouser  1:30:21

There's nothing there.

1:30:23

Yes, the entire

Collin Funkhouser  1:30:25

basis of, no, you're someone special, and you're wonderful, and you like, you have this unique gifting you need to show the world that's not what the expectation.

1:30:35

No, that is such a, that's

Collin Funkhouser  1:30:37

such a 90s, 2000s trope of like, yeah, you're you Gosh Golly.

Brandon  1:30:41

Come on, once again, we have missed the entire point. Yes, right? The whole point is gone. It's just, they're just like, this is just a love story. Like, no, it's not, right. This is, like, not a love story. This is, there's some love, there's some unrequited love in this story, but this is ostensibly not a love story. Yeah, right. Like people that describe great expectations as a love story and a mystery, I want to not take their opinion seriously on anything, because, as you should like, again, it's a mystery just because, like, nobody tells Pippa thing that's not mysterious. It's just that the information was withheld from the narrator. Yeah, that's not a mystery, right? And this book is not a love story, because the people in it are terrible, right? And Estella has to learn if she's going to love anybody, right? But we learned that she has to overcome her childhood trauma of not being shown love. She doesn't know how to love anybody, so she can't, so she can't be a love story. And PIP has to overcome a lot of stuff because he thinks he has an idea of what love is, but it's wrong, right? And he has to learn through interacting with other characters what it actually means, right? He has to see examples of like Joe and bitty and like Herbie and Clara and wimick and Miss skiffins, right? He has to see like actual positive things to unlearn what he thinks it is right, and this movie doesn't do any of that, plus there's no Herbert, so Ew, gross. I hate this. Also. Ethan Hawk says that this movie did badly because it came out six months after Titanic, and because Titanic was so successful, nobody wanted to watch anything else that was not Titanic, especially not something that was a love story, right? So after watching this movie, I have a message. I have something to say to you. Ethan. Ethan, I wrote this down in my notes, Ethan, it is not Titanic's fault. No one watched this.

Collin Funkhouser  1:33:09

You can read between the lines upon who actually is. Yeah, I that's just that's hot garbage from beginning to end. It is right.

Brandon  1:33:22

It is Collin. What if I said I could save this? I could pull this back.

Collin Funkhouser  1:33:28

Boy, howdy. I sure hope you can at least

Brandon  1:33:30

a little bit. Yeah, right. This, this movie is not perfect, but it really has a lot more elements of what makes the book Good, and this final version actually does something that no movie version can accomplish, and that is make Estella a more sympathetic figure, right? They do a good job of like, leaning into the she has no choice thing, right? And we'll get to the part here in a minute. But it really this movie does a lot wrong, or does a lot right. There's a couple things wrong. The pacing is a little bit weird. There's some parts I could live without, but one thing I can't live without Collin. Is the casting of this movie, okay? Collin, this is the 2012 This is a UK production version. Okay, old I'm just gonna do the old PIP because I didn't write it down. Young one, right? I have old Pip. Jeremy Irvine, Estella Holliday Granger, okay, they're excellent, okay, Collin Magwitch is Ralph finds, oh, yo, yo. Are you serious? Yeah, this is why I watched this movie. And Collin Miss Havisham, yes, Helen bondum Carter, no. Oh, yes, okay. And what? Mr. Jaggers, yes, Robbie Collin, one rubious Hagrid, that

Collin Funkhouser  1:35:13

is insane.

Brandon  1:35:14

Joe is Jason Fleming.

Collin Funkhouser  1:35:17

Jason Fleming,

Brandon  1:35:18

yeah, yeah. And, and this movie has a lot of women, you and Bremer, perfect, right? Oh, great, goodness, right? And Herbert is also in this movie. I forgot to write his actor's name down. He's great. Herbie is great. Clara is in this movie. This movie has all of the little details, right? Like, what some of these other movies make you do is, like, when you read the book, you're like, oh my gosh, why are we talking about this, right? Why is this person here? And then you watch the movie version without that person, you're like, bro, this is missing a lot, right? Yeah, like, one of these versions doesn't even have Mr. Wopsle in it. And you're like, who cares about Mr. Wopsle? But, like, you're also like, dang, Mr. Waffle adds a lot to the beginning of the movie, right? With, with the hunt, of the manhunt on the marshes and all the stuff, right? Like, whatever. So the fact that they don't have some of these people in some of these movies is wacky, and so it's, it's a real weird. So this, the fact that they have all these people in there, is very excellent, right? And it's great.

Collin Funkhouser  1:36:36

Well, I mean, that cast already, I'm, I'm already in, it doesn't have to follow the script. Now, they are at liberty to do what they want.

Brandon  1:36:43

Yeah, oh. Ollie Alexander is Herbert Pocket. He's great. He's great. Okay? He's amazing. The castings, movie is brilliant, right? The only this movie has no voiceover, so they just will, like, throw in, like, a random scene of people doing something, and you, like, have to know what's happening a little bit. So like this movie, it definitely helps if you've read the book, like you don't need to. But like, sometimes, for like, pacing purposes, it's handy to be like, Oh, okay, so like, what the other movie sometimes is accomplished with VoiceOver. This is like a short little scene that's here, right? And I wrote down a bunch of stuff that like this movie has, right? This movie at the beginning has PIP reading with Joe, right? This has bitty teaching him stuff in the school, right? It has that stuff. The other movies skip all that. So there's no character development previous, prior to going to, like, Miss havisham's Really, right? So this one, we're getting some stuff like that already. It's cool, right? That the when you, when you add it back, you're like, Oh, dang, I need that, right? Like, yeah, well, adds to the character

Collin Funkhouser  1:37:58

so much. Yeah, the story is so based on understanding the motivations of each

Brandon  1:38:05

person and like relationships with people. Yeah, yeah. So they do have to change some stuff just to make it fit in a movie better. But like this, I like this version a lot, also one super important scene that this version has is the barrel scene where PIP watches Estella playing on the barrels. Yes, right. And it is very clear in this movie that it is this instant that PIP falls for Estella. I see this is the moment when he sees her as she with no like strings, no limitations, yeah, right, yep. He just sees her happily skipping across the barrels. This is when he falls for her, right here, he's like, hiding under a

Collin Funkhouser  1:39:02

cart, no agenda, carefree. She's doing something for her, for her enjoyment. Yes, in that moment, yeah,

Brandon  1:39:11

yeah, right. And so this is, like, a crucial moment that, like in the books, you're kind of like, pips, like, I don't even know if that actually happened, like, I couldn't believe it, right? But in this version, when you see, like you, it's very clear, like, the way that he's looking at her here, this is, this is the moment I see, right? He kind of thinks she's pretty whenever she, like, brings him up to the house or whatever, like, whatever. But like this one, this is it, right? I wrote here, like no narration means they really just hop from moment to moment, like, bang, bang, bang, scene to scene, bang, bang, right? So it's it the pacing is a little bit odd, kind of weird, and we do have I wrote Estella seems much more sympathetic, right? I. It's much more here, like, it's very interesting. Some of the bitty story here is to where, the part where bitty, like, mentions that, like, maybe that her and PIP could be together, and then Pip's like, Nah, I can't, because she's like, you still love her. And he's like, yeah. Like, that scene is there kind of like again, character, motivation, right? Important stuff here. So that's good. I also wrote here something that I realized after watching this movie four times and reading the book, right? Okay, Mr. Jaggers is Big Fat Liar, right? So, right? Whenever he talks, whenever the end of the book, whenever PIP confronts him, because that's in all these movies too, right? PIP confronts him, and he's like, alright, am I to assume that you know, you know, I know that I came to the conclusion that Miss Havisham was my benefactor all by myself, and he's like, yes, Pip, that's true. Not a shred of evidence, not a shred of evidence, right? You have to go on evidence. There is evidence, right? There is evidence that Mr. Jaggers is a big fat gossip, right? Because PIP only comes to this conclusion after he goes, he says, I have a benefactor. Miss Havisham is playing it up. She's like, Oh yes, I heard all about it from Mr. Jaggers. And then she says, You shall always keep the name of PIP, you know, right, which is the one key piece of evidence that leads him to believe that she is his benefactor, right? The only reason that she would know that is if Jaggers blabbed the stipulations of the contract to her. Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is this, Jaggers? What is this? I got you buddy, like, what? Yeah, right. So you don't really think about that at the end of the book. Once you read the book and you're like, 75,000 pages, maybe like, Oh my God, just gets over with like, now you're like, wait a minute. So I wrote, no evidence, my foot. Okay. So there you go. So there's such a small tirade I had that Mr. Jaggers is not as good at his job as he likes to think he is right. So what I think? I mean, I'm assuming he tells Miss Havisham a lot of stuff, because he was like, Who's she gonna tell she doesn't leave the house. Doesn't matter.

Collin Funkhouser  1:42:43

That's fair, yeah.

Brandon  1:42:45

Also, this is the only version where Herbert starts referring to pip his handle.

Collin Funkhouser  1:42:52

Oh, the other ones, yeah, it

Brandon  1:42:55

was not in any of the other versions at all. Oh, this key, like cornerstone of their friendship and bond does not appear in any of the other movies, right? So I wrote Handel appears, and Clara is here too, wow. Also, this movie has a lot of the finches of the Grove, right? Oh, they're this movie a lot. And I wrote, oh, Lord, the finches are so lame, right?

Collin Funkhouser  1:43:27

I mean, we could kind of get that from the book where

Brandon  1:43:30

they just yeah around this movie hammers the fact like the way that they behave and do stuff, right? You're watching this going, yo. Victorian gentlemen secret clubs are the lamest thing of all time,

Collin Funkhouser  1:43:46

because they're just sitting around literally, right?

Brandon  1:43:49

They're literally doing nothing like this is where all of the alpha male bro podcaster dudes would be in, like 1845 right? This is where they would be, and it's awful, right? They're so terrible. This movie also has PIP going to the castle. Yeah. We make, yeah. So we see, in the first movie, we go, like, once, I think maybe, but like this one, we get lots of we make lots of aged pee. We get shooting of the cannon. There's we get the drawbridge. We get the whole we get the whole deal, right? The only thing this movie doesn't really have is the Miss giffens, which, you know, don't really need that in the movie. But, like, we get a lot more women making this movie Excellent. Very good. The weird part where Joe comes and, like, makes a fool of himself in front of everybody. This happens in the tavern, not just in the house. So it, like, ramps up the awkwardness factor, right? And it really, it does a it does a good job, though, of like. Herbert, like not caring, right? And like thinking Joe's a good dude, and just like going with the flow and PIP being like, really angry that he, like, is out of place, right? Because Herbert's like, bro, calm down. It's not that deep Hold on, you know. And Pip, like, kind of being irrationally angry about being around this. Go the uncouth person, even though, like, five minutes ago, that was you PIP that was putting your knife in your mouth and doing weird things. Right then, like, he gets it. We go back, we find out all the stuff they make. Estella keeps saying a whole bunch of times that, like, when she's going to London, you're to accompany me. He's like, why are you going to London? And she keeps saying that the jewels and I are to be shown off, right? Like, she keeps making a point that, like, she is just an accessory to miss Habersham, right? And at least that's how she feels for sure, like the fact that she refers to herself and the jewelry as kind of one in the same is a she mentioned it several times. So, like, this is an important part of her, like, character motivation here is that, like, she just feels like a prop, right? Again, this is part of her being a more sympathetic character, right? So that is weird. And then the, there's some more stuff. And I wrote here somewhere, like, well, actually having a relationship with whitmock makes this half of the movie make a lot more sense, right? Like, he talks about portable property, he talks about the stuff, like, the note thing makes, like, all this stuff makes sense later, right?

Brandon  1:47:02

After we find Magwitch, after Magwitch comes back and we do all this stuff, right? Also, this is the only version where, like, the compison storyline of him being the person that is responsible for messing up Miss Haversham is in the movie, right? Really? Yeah, that's always here, right? And this also is really important too, because, like, the whole reason that Magwitch wants PIP to be a gentleman, and his whole motivation for sacrificing all this stuff for PIP is because at the trial, he sees the value of being a gentleman like legally right? Because compison was presented as a gentleman, he got the chance to represent himself in court. He got the lawyer to talk for him. He got the judge's favor. He got off. He only got two years prison, because Magwitch was presented as a ruffian, as not a gentleman, because they had separate defenses. Even though he had Jaggers, he didn't get a chance to talk. He didn't really get a good chance to defend himself, right? So this moment, we can see that magowitz understands the value of being a gentleman for like, socially Right? Like, if you have social standing, you can have more stuff, right? If you don't have social standing, so many doors are closed to you that it makes life way more difficult because you don't have social status. And this is his reason for sponsoring PIV, yeah, right. So when you don't have any of that in the movie, like when there's like, oh, you was nice to me once, boy, so I'm gonna give you money, that's like, weird. No, like, it seems like quite

Collin Funkhouser  1:49:07

the stretch there. Yeah, it seems quite the stress.

Brandon  1:49:09

And I'll just give you, like, a little bit of money, not like, I'm gonna give you my entire fortune. Like, yes, what? Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, that being here is important, right? Now, another part that's we start getting weird again at the end, right? Molly somehow knows the mag, which is back. She comes in screaming at Jaggers. You said he would never get here, you blah blah blah. Like, where did that come from? What's going on here? And then that leads us to the Jaggers telling him, you know, put the case that blah blah blah blah blah, and put the that whole monolog there, right? I. Um, this is happening on the way to, like, they've compressed this slightly so that's happening like, kind of in the carriage on the way back to havisham's house, right? They also said they also told him that Estella, like, in this version, they told Magwitch. They didn't tell him that they killed the baby. They said that she died of sickness, right? So they soften that blow a little bit also. So this next weird part is weird. They, they again reference the first movie a little bit, right? Because the the 46 version, because when, when Habersham catches on fire, right? She's like running after Pip, pleading for him, right? And she drops a candle, and she like goes up in flames. And PIP runs in, and he rips the curtains off the windows I see to smother her, right, to put out the fire, right? And she lets all the light in, and it's all bright in there. And the all, the one part of this movie that's kind of weird is that right here, when she's like, all burned up, and she's like, saying, like, forgive me, pit, forgive me, forgive me. Like, he doesn't, oh, right, he doesn't, like, say anything really. So like, you don't really get a he did or he didn't. But like, he does not tell her interesting that he forgives her, yeah, so that is a bit weird, right? For the whole character arc here. That's one part of this movie. I was like, I don't know about that. Yeah, right. Like, that's a little bit weird, right? So that that's one kind of, I don't know about that one. But then again, because we're in a movie, we're in like, fast forward mode. We're gonna, like, we're gonna get Magwitch out. We're gonna come up with this plan. Weck is there helping them do all this stuff, because they don't have a star top or anybody else come up with a plan. So we make is, like, helping with this part, right, right with them. And Herbert, just like coming up with the plan. He's like, there's a fairy that leaves tonight. You've got to get blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, remember portable property, like, so there's no, like, elongated plan for escape. It's like, we gotta go right now. So, like, they do that again. We have the same thing. We have a similar camera shot to one of the older movies of like the paddle wheel and the boat, like getting hit and then going under and all this stuff, right? All that's he tells him about that back, which is like, Oh, they know he dies that scenes there. He does get sick. Now, this makes a little bit more sense, because he's like, super stressed out. We have the creditors actually here, and the Joe part helping him with the sicknesses. Like, bang, done. Like, okay, whatever. Like, ta da, okay, you're fine. It's like, real truncated and real brief. It's good, it's there, but like, he's just, like, all right, you're better. Leaves like that. All there is the bitty thing is, like, slightly hinted at here, like again, because we have no voiceover. We really don't know exactly his motivation, but he does go home when he sees bitty and Joe together, there's a moment where he's, like, surprised, right? And then he recovers. It was like, Oh my gosh, that's so great. Like, you know, like, so that is sort of hinted at a little bit. And then we get this, you know, fast forward. PIP and Herbie are working in the warehouse. They're doing their thing. We get a shot of Herbert's children, right.

Brandon  1:54:09

And again, we get the second ending reference slightly because a letter is delivered to pip, right? Or we get a bit of the original ending right, just a small hint, right? We get a letter division to deliver to pip right? Where it's like, Come to this place, right? So he goes to just this right? I don't even know where this is right. It's just a house, and Estella is there. And they're like, walking through the woods. Well, they go out and they walk through the garden, and they're talking about the I've been bent in, you know, hopefully into a better shape, and all that blah. And we kind of get the, then we get the, like, the the published ending a bit because they're talking, they're like, kind of talking nicely. And. And they just the shot ends with them holding hands, right? But it's like, kind of blurry, right as it's fading out. And this is like, the same technique they use, like, throughout the story, there's like flashbacks, like, when they're telling a story, they'll be like a flashback. And it's kind of like, you know the how they do that flashback thing, where it's like blurry and kind of focus, sure. And it's like, more zoomed in a little bit. It's like that. That's the camera angle they use for the holding hands at the end when they, like, zoom in on the hands, and then the camera fades out. It's like, not a clear picture. It's like slightly blurred. So it's kind of like the publishing thing, where it's like, we don't know what's going to happen next. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, I don't know. So, so there you go. There you go. Collin. There's four brain melting versions. That was a whirlwind. It was a whirlwind, let me tell you.

Collin Funkhouser  1:55:57

And I mean, I didn't even watch all those. I just

Brandon  1:56:00

got a summary. I didn't survive one

Collin Funkhouser  1:56:06

of those, which one, but that's, it's, it's always fascinating to see the different takes and what they choose to focus on, and what's the like, the important thing, right? That they need to pull out, and how? Yes, not the same. That's true, right?

Brandon  1:56:21

So I would recommend, if you're going to watch any version, you either got to watch the 46 version, if for nothing else than for baby allig Goodness, okay, but, or the 2012 one, right? Because it's pretty good, right? They have a lot of the good stuff in there. You get a lot of the scope, you get a lot more character motivation. It's like, really pretty too. Like, it's really shot really beautifully, lots of good scenery and costuming and stuff. So, like, one of those two versions, do not watch the 1974 version. Oh, my days. Do not watch. And you should definitely not watch the 1998 version, because it's just hot trash. And it's like, it's not,

Collin Funkhouser  1:57:07

I think somebody briefly described to them the plot of the book over facts, and they just went out to print.

Brandon  1:57:14

Yeah, that's really what happened. They're like, Oh my gosh, here it is. Like, they read the Spark Notes summary, and they're like, yeah, man, we can make we've got this. Like, you cannot. Don't do that. Don't do that. There's a wrong choice. Don't do that. So I'll send you PD articles here, so you can put these in the show notes here. But, but there you go. Hey. There you go. Home again. All right, huh? Oh. Craziness, and I do have to say, I apologize, but I was so knee deep into Great Expectations movies that I forgot it was my week. Oh, you're fine. I will have to catch y'all get your makeup one next time.

Collin Funkhouser  1:57:57

Yeah, was another one? Well, two days. Yeah, I will you did too much work.

Brandon  1:58:08

I got sidetracked, and then when we pushed back, I just sort of forgot that I was my turn with all of my fair mind melting about like this stuff. So I get you made it through this week. Take a rain check. Yeah, yeah. So sorry about that. Sorry about that. We make it up for you. Next time

Collin Funkhouser  1:58:27

you know what, that's it, it's fine. We'll just roll with it. Just go right on in Okay. Well, we will, and with that bombshell, oh man, will end very good.

Brandon  1:58:37

Okay, thank you for sitting through my dissertations of Great Expectations, cinema versions,

Collin Funkhouser  1:58:46

you know, any day of the week, this is what I look for.

Brandon  1:58:51

I'm here for this truly, really what this show is built on. So get back into it. And, you know, go for it,

1:58:59

and that we will do back next week. All right, love you. Love you too. Bye.