several suspicious emails
New clubs are joined. Emails are received. Pip…resets his expectations.
What club have we joined?
Infamously…yakuza games
Last testing window
Several suspicious emails
Things I overhead in 6th grade
You can just tell they throw off cliffs
Literally cannot tell what’s going to happen
Collin haiku
Tiles click and whisper
Hands move fast—I miss the rules
Laughter, I’m still lost
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SUMMARY KEYWORDS
baseball practice, recording challenges, hiring training, follow-behinds, pet handling, Mahjong club, Artemis mission, Titanic Museum, sixth grade field trip, Great Expectations, Pip's journey, Estella, Joe and Biddy, new ending, hopeful outlook
SPEAKERS
Collin Funkhouser, Brandon
Collin Funkhouser 00:00
Collin, welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, several suspicious emails, Ahoy, ahoy. Oh my goodness, my levels are all off. I can't hear myself. Things are oh my goodness, it's terrible. This is what we're
Brandon 00:30
dealing with, the buttons,
Collin Funkhouser 00:31
Collin, what we get for recording in the daytime. Ladies and gentlemen,
Brandon 00:35
that's true first ever,
Collin Funkhouser 00:37
because of my horrible schedule.
Brandon 00:39
This way, not first ever, but rarely,
Collin Funkhouser 00:43
the sun is still out, and we are recording an episode today. Oh, my goodness, wow.
Brandon 00:51
Collin, what have you been doing? What the heck, man, what have
Collin Funkhouser 00:55
I been doing? Um, you know, we are in this season of life where there is too much going on we so one thing that has thrown off our schedule A lot is Mr. Noah has started baseball practice this week.
01:16
Ah, there we go.
Collin Funkhouser 01:18
And Brandon, would you like to guess what time the eight year olds baseball practice is?
Brandon 01:25
Hmm, you know, let me think about this. It's probably, let's see we had this. We had a similar discussion last year. I'm gonna go like seven o'clock.
Collin Funkhouser 01:37
Do you know you'd be close? Hey, because it is not seven it is 730
Brandon 01:45
I was gonna say 730 but I thought, who starts a practice on the half hour?
Collin Funkhouser 01:49
It's so weird. And practices are hour and a half, oh, and our practices are now Monday night and Friday night from 730 until nine. Ladies and gentlemen, my son, he goes to bed at 730 every night. This is bedtime. This is thrown like this is this is changing about what we're doing. The coach has said that she's going to do her best to get us out by 830 and I'm like, Wow, gosh golly gee. How nice of you.
Brandon 02:33
I mean, yeah, like, that seems I mean, I don't, you don't need an hour and a half baseball practice at eight years old, right? That's a bit much. An hour seems perfectly fine. I know that some people have to start later because of, like, work and stuff, right? But like, you know that still seems like
Collin Funkhouser 02:59
a bit late practice. This is what I want to know. I'm like, what ungodly hour do they go to?
Brandon 03:06
High schoolers practice right after school? They practiced it like 330 fair, like, fair.
Collin Funkhouser 03:14
So this, this has been, and that was just this week, and that's one reason why, all of a sudden it was like, Oh, I can't Ha, who my nights for, like, little itty bitty timelines now, yeah, so we, I, yeah, they probably do right after school, and then they probably have one practice. I think they have one practice from five, from six, probably six, yeah, six to 730 and then 730 to nine, and they do that five days a week, but with different teams and stuff. So that has been our most recent addition to this week, which is why nothing went well.
Brandon 03:57
I can see that. I can see that
Collin Funkhouser 03:59
suddenly going, Ah, did not account for this in
Brandon 04:05
quite the wrench.
Collin Funkhouser 04:08
Yeah, yeah, yep. My constraint of my time, and I am recording remotely this weekend. No, I'm doing some hiring people. So I've got to train doing follow behind i We're switching it up. I used to do a lot more like I'm going to train you with me standing in front of you, and then I'm going to watch you do it. And this does not replicate reality at all for anything that we do, you know, because I'm no one else is going to be there standing next to them ever, for the rest of their employment with me. So what we've done is we've done a lot more videos up front of like, here is the perfect way to do this. Then they train in person with me and I do this, and then I shadowed. Them for a little bit, and now we've kind of changed it up to where we do follow behinds, where I have them go out and do the visits, and then I come in behind them and double check a bunch of stuff in the house. And this is both a massive pain to do because like scheduling this and finding the right time to do this and fitting this in my day is not fun. It's not fun, however, because it replicates a much more realistic environment of my team, I feel like it gives them more insight into the little things that they don't, that they are subconsciously missing, that I catch and because I can't, it's hard for them, because if I'm standing next to them, right, this changes
05:51
how you act
Collin Funkhouser 05:53
and like, you're kind of a little bit more on edge, true.
Brandon 05:56
It's like a driving instructor, right, where you're like, kind of try to drive, but you're also looking at them, like, are they writing things down? Like, yes? Are they seeing that I did that good? Like, like,
Collin Funkhouser 06:09
yes, and, and on my part, like, this is just a thing that I know about me. Like, I will I tend to lead with my body, or, like, make subtle motions of whether something is right or wrong, and that's subconscious to me, and I've worked really hard, and I think we've talked about this before, like we train to come up and you stop at a stop, stop or a crosswalk, and you wait for the cars, and you wait for that dog to stop walking until it's safe, and then you start walking. Well, when I was training, I realized that at no point did I give over the judgment to the person that I was training, because I would just start walking as soon as I thought it was safe. And I never got to see Do they know what's safe? Are they walking at the right time? Right? Because I was always giving that cue of and now we go right. And that's, that's, that's what we do. So now I'm, we're changing that up, and so that's what I am doing this week, is doing some follow behinds.
07:13
Well, okay, a
Collin Funkhouser 07:15
little more
Brandon 07:17
sneaky, right? Yeah, it is kind of like, I do feel like this helps your because dad was telling me on Easter that you had a person who, like, did not feel confident to be alone yet, right? And I feel like this, like, could potentially help with people that are like that specifically, because they're like, Okay, I'm gonna go do it, and then somebody is gonna come in a little bit and, like, double check and make sure I did it right, you know, I mean, yeah. So it's like, it's not so, like, oh my gosh, I need so it could help with that kind of situations as well, like people like the to get into the swing of things better, just because they have a chance to do it themselves, and then have somebody come and be like, Oh yeah, that was pretty good. Just gotta do this one thing. Like, oh okay, that's fine. Then, like, it's feel it's like a better you feel better about it that way. I feel like, that's a pretty good idea.
Collin Funkhouser 08:19
Yeah, we're gonna see how it goes. And I know listeners may be going, Collin, like, What? What? What is this? Like, why aren't you watching this person do the, do the visits, so the pet hair and stuff, and that's part of this. Like, that's why I do the in person stuff. Like, that's why I want to, I really want to focus on the pet handling, the pet behavior, all that stuff for in person, and then, like, the household stuff and how we leave lights. And did they clean and did they lock doors? And did they like, there's all that side of stuff that is just so subtle. And then, did they put the visit well together? Did they make it? Did they time it well? Did they allocate enough resources? Did like all that stuff like that? You just have to be independent to get that. And that's, that's what I feel like. This is going to get it, I hope. And so we'll see. We'll see about that. So that's we've been working on that. Yeah, that's what, that's what we've been trying to design that and stay fresh with, man, because it's so easy to just want to continue to do the same thing that we've done for the past, oh, years, you know. And then, like, and then partially, you know, I'm fighting that urge to complain about the people instead of the process. And I think that's where this came out of was, like, you know what? Why not change something completely? Like, why not? Like, we'll just and we'll see what works and what doesn't. No, that's fair. Worth a shot anyway. You know? Yeah. Well, the kids are
Collin Funkhouser 10:09
attending this week. I want to, I want you to guess. You're never gonna guess. Want you to guess what club my kids aren't involved in enough things. Yeah, it's true. Noah's in Lego club and he's in a baseball right now. They're also in rock climbing club, apparently, twice a week for that, they're belaying each other now, which is, oh, dear. And Lillian has signed her up for, like, a volleyball, like an intensive volleyball prep camp thing. So she's excited about that. But on Tuesdays, they're attending another club. And I just want you to guess what club you think my kids are attending.
Brandon 10:52
Oh, so this is not train club. This is a
Collin Funkhouser 10:54
whole No, oh yeah, and not and it's not train club, oh no. It's not train club, not Volleyball Club, not baseball club, not rock climbing club, not Lego club, it's another
Brandon 11:05
club, another club. Yeah, it's really hard to know, because this, like, already, those things that you listed out are, like, very widely varied anyway, and so trying to nail down what this could possibly, right? It's like, is it going to be something random, like knitting club?
Collin Funkhouser 11:30
Lillian is in crochet. But no, not bothering.
Brandon 11:36
Yeah, I got nothing. I have.
Collin Funkhouser 11:40
No I did not see this one coming, but we took and attended, and they enjoyed the mahjong club. What? There's a there's a Mahjong club, local. How they it just started up, like three or four weeks ago. And so there's one, there's one instructor. She's fantastic. She's phenomenal, and she is putting this together, and they're paired up. And this past this, so this was the first this was the first this past Tuesday was our first one that we attended, and the kids just watched and learned and asked questions, and there was instructed. And then we're going to go back next week because they're going to play. And so they're joining,
Brandon 12:35
they're getting involved in a little bit of okay, I just, I, like, I don't, I don't know if this is true, but like, I like to imagine Lily just sitting in a table with like, a bunch of like, really old Chinese ladies, because the only people that I know that actually know how to play mahjong.
Collin Funkhouser 12:56
There's some of those. Mostly, there's some of those. There's some just, just just some generic old ladies. But it is all old ladies. So 100%
Brandon 13:10
my eight and 10 year old, nice,
13:15
yes, this is our new Tuesday afternoon activity that will be attending. They really like, Oh, dear, good. Kind of like the Oh, it's so funny.
Collin Funkhouser 13:28
What did Lillian say? She goes, Yeah, Dad, it's really like, it's, she goes, it's really like, rummy and dominoes. And I said, Do you know what rummy is? And she goes, No, but that's just what the lady said. And I was like, Okay, it's like, that's, that's a reference that's not helpful.
Brandon 13:49
Yeah, I know that there are like hands, yes, right? Because they're the different tiles represent like suits, kinda, kinda, and that there's, like, different hands that you can get, and there's another thing that you can do. I don't remember what it's called, but the only thing I know about Mahjong is, infamously, this is necessary for certain achievements in the Yakuza games that I play
14:17
a lot imagine,
Brandon 14:19
and like, the it is like, no, it's like, famously hard to do. I don't engage with that very often, but I do know a little bit about it, only because of video games, right? Like, I
Collin Funkhouser 14:39
know, there you go. Hey, you know what? It's a it's a connection point. So, yeah, so that we translate, we turn this into also doing a history search on the history of mahjong. So that is a project that they are working on as well. Oh, well, we're so. Excited about that. So do that. So, yeah, that's, that's, you know, my week has been a wee bit a tweet, bit chaotic and everything. But yeah, now, yeah, unfortunately, no fun like crazy stories. But I don't know. I know it's, what about you?
Brandon 15:23
Oh yeah, me neither. Oh no. Well, I was just like, well, you only have so many weeks left of school. Like, not many, yeah. So just have to, like, figure out, just trying to make it sure I have all the things can I get through, some of the things like, and one of those weeks is testing. So they put our testing window, like, very late this year, which I'm kind of annoyed about, because it's like, the second to last week of school. They're like, yes, that's when you guys will be testing. It's like, so, like, that's a plan. Like, what? Like, yeah, it's kind of gross. I like it a lot better when it's, like, at the beginning of the test window, because then you have time to, like, do stuff. And if somebody is gone, they have time to, like, actually make it up. I have no idea what they're gonna do. Somebody's like, gone for a session, like,
Collin Funkhouser 16:22
Yeah, I mean, but like, seriously, what would they do at that?
Brandon 16:26
I don't know, because I just, you can't just read the emails. I don't send them. I don't know. Oh my goodness, yeah. So is the a plan, yeah? So that's fun. So that's what we're doing, trying to get that under control. We do have a field trip next week, so more on that later. I'll tell you about that. Oh, okay, we're back right? New, New Field Trip location, right? So we'll see how this goes. A little nervous about it, but we'll see. We'll see, we'll see they do not want to go to the traditional sixth grade ice skating field trip, right? Partially, because it takes like 70 billion years, and that we did get a several very suspicious emails this year that are like, Hey, your field trip is must be educational in nature. So it's like, okay, well, dang, it
Collin Funkhouser 17:40
interesting. So there,
Brandon 17:45
yeah, so we are going to attempt to attend the Titanic Museum in Branson. Oh, my, yeah. The problem is it takes a long time to get to Branson, so our time schedule is slightly problematic, but oh, we'll see how that goes. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see, all right,
Collin Funkhouser 18:08
okay, okay, well, that's, yeah, I'm very interested to see how that actually plays out then, hmm,
Brandon 18:17
yeah, so there's your preview. I'll let you know we're going next Thursday. So, yeah, we'll see probably be fine, hopefully, maybe, I don't know,
Collin Funkhouser 18:31
did you watch any of the Artemis stuff in your class?
Brandon 18:35
Yeah, we well, a lot of, not a lot of it was not. A lot of the exciting bits were happening at like noon, right? Okay, we did watch that. We did look at some of the pictures and things. And then Susan and I watched the re entry last night, sure, so it's pretty cool. So, so yeah, we just looked at, we watched it, some of the stream stuff where we just, like, watched some of the highlight bits. And then we looked at a lot of the pictures in science class. This is like a bonus time. Like, Hey, check it out.
Collin Funkhouser 19:05
Like this. There's those doctored pictures from the stage in LA. Hey, look. Can't
Brandon 19:21
all those completely faked pictures that have the camera data embedded into. I mean, yeah, they're
Collin Funkhouser 19:32
pretty good at making stuff. So I'm saying, I'm saying, just asking questions here. Okay.
Brandon 19:47
Oh, it has been funny to watch those people like completely freak out, just get laughed at by everybody. Sure, yeah.
Collin Funkhouser 20:00
The well, because their little, their little world has broken true.
Brandon 20:05
So the COPE is in overdrive, but we'll see. Well, there we go. I'll see. We'll see if they actually their mission schedule is very interesting, and so we'll see if this is actually sustainable, right? Like next year, lander test flights, right? And then 2028, landing, right? This is the timetable, so it's pretty, pretty aggressive. So see how that goes.
Collin Funkhouser 20:40
I mean, we've obviously done it before, so we can do it again.
Brandon 20:43
I mean, yeah, but like, we have new stuff. So, you know, you can't, like, can't just assume you have to have all new testing of all the new material, right? Like, oh, here is a completely new spacecraft. We should probably test it first before we launch it full of people into space. Good plan.
Collin Funkhouser 21:03
You know, sure, if you want to be like that, be one of one of those testers.
Brandon 21:10
I mean, it really is pretty amazing, like after, especially when you think about, like, how far it's come since, like, the Mercury missions. Yeah, right, because those dudes were insane, right? Like, if you watch, like, all those things where it's just like, oh man, all the early test rockets, just like, blowing up everywhere, and then, like, Alan Shepard being like, yeah, strap me to that sucker. It'll be fine.
Collin Funkhouser 21:37
Like, I'm good, yeah, no. Nobody has done this. There's so many YouTube compositions or compilations of all the explosions from that era, and it's not good, it's not good, and they're not that far apart. I think that's the other thing. And then suddenly it's like and go
Brandon 21:59
and here's Alan Shepard, here's Gus. All right, Gus. Hold on, yeah.
Collin Funkhouser 22:04
Like, yeah. It's insane.
Brandon 22:09
So, so it's come quite a staggeringly long way, really, when you think about it. So those people, they're like, Oh, I can't believe blah, blah. Like, guys, we have all this back stuff to build on. We've been sending, like, all kinds of rockets for forever. It's all right, it's fine, but the size of that thing is crazy, like that Orion rocket is so big.
Collin Funkhouser 22:34
No, it really, it's like, it's one of those things of it's really hard to get the scale of that kind of those things, of until, because all the shots are from so far away. Yeah, most of and then until you see, until you catch something in the shot where you're like, oh, oh, I know how big that truck is, yeah, because I see one of the like, oh, oh,
Brandon 23:00
wow, that's the part that's crazy.
Collin Funkhouser 23:03
Yeah, yeah. I know I had that same thing whereas we watched a little bit of the Artemis stuff. But also, when SpaceX was doing, like, the catch, did you see them catch that thing last year or whatever? Oh, yeah, that was the other thing too. When I saw that, I'm like, Okay, wow, that's look. That's cool how they caught that. But then I saw just how large of a that think that was. I was like, Oh, they caught that. Oh, my goodness. Okay, so yeah, well, that it's cool. It's neat to see those things back in action. And that's true, astronauts and stuff. So I'm, I'm excited this, that kind of stuff excites me. Oh yeah, that's cool.
Brandon 23:45
The pictures are just really pretty and really cool and exciting to look at. So that was really
Collin Funkhouser 23:50
fun and really real, obviously, yes,
Brandon 23:55
if you can't, oh, my gosh. Oh. Gosh. Well, before we get to our exciting conclusion,
24:09
yeah, something,
Brandon 24:11
well, it was a conclusion.
Collin Funkhouser 24:12
It was definitely a conclusion.
Brandon 24:15
It just sort of stops. We have, I do have sixth grade quote for you.
24:23
Ah, yes, oh my gosh,
Collin Funkhouser 24:26
oh no, yeah,
Brandon 24:33
you can just tell they throw babies off cliffs.
24:36
What? No, I
Collin Funkhouser 24:43
Oh, okay, I had a play. Look people, I had, I got a play of like, you know, I start doing, I want to start having these things I overheard in sixth grade quote be the title of the episode. That's.
Brandon 25:00
Okay, but what? Yeah, so we're talking about ancient Sparta, right? And their propensity for being like, Oh, this child is sick. Better leave it in the forest to die.
25:17
Like, well, so we were talking
Brandon 25:21
about that, and we're reading something else, and this girl's like, man, these guys are crazy. You can tell they throw babies off.
25:34
No, no, no. I know, so bad, I mean they go,
Collin Funkhouser 25:53
I mean they're not wrong that it but like also
Brandon 25:59
phrasing here like
Collin Funkhouser 26:01
it's fantastic.
Brandon 26:05
So yeah, sorry, no title for you this time. But like, your title can be, well, I can't put that in the title. That's not my title.
Collin Funkhouser 26:17
Oh my gosh, hmm. So Hmm,
26:23
well, well, okay, well, you know,
Brandon 26:37
how about that dramatic conclusion? Collin, how about that? And with this book, sure is over. It sure
Collin Funkhouser 26:45
is over. I man, so we last we left ourselves. Pip was a heading off to go talk to Biddy, right, yeah, and confess love for bitty and right all the wrongs, and live the life with bitty to make him and bitty happy for How dumb he was. Yeah, and but before
Brandon 27:22
we can have that conversation, he stops by, and we find our old friend, Mr. Pumblechook. Mr. Pumblechook, who is just the worst, like they're out of all these people in this book, right? I'm not sure anybody annoys me more than Mr. Oh, for sure. And I, I know that he's supposed to that's like the goal here, that he is just so he's like, he's just like, so two faced and so wishy washy, right? Like, whenever Pip was a little kid, he was just, like, super hateful to him. And then when PIP had a lot of money, he was like, super differential and like, oh, blah, blah, blah. But then when PIP wasn't around, he was like, boasting about how, like, Oh, I did that for him, yeah. And now that PIP doesn't have any money. Again, he's back to being like, I knew all along
28:25
that you were no terrible you.
Collin Funkhouser 28:29
Jep, how terrible Mr.
Brandon 28:32
Pumblechook is the character caricature of like an old church lady, right? Like, that's what,
Collin Funkhouser 28:39
uh huh. So just tisking and putting
Brandon 28:49
and being ridiculous and all this stuff like
Collin Funkhouser 28:52
and before we get there, we know we're noticing, even now, a softening of PIP and himself, where, I think prior, when he was on his great expectations, he would have been mad that he didn't get his normal room. Oh yeah, he doesn't, yeah. Now he's just like, well, got the same kind of sleep and I had the same kind
Brandon 29:11
of dreams. He's like, I got a room. It's fine. Big deal. It's fine. He's realizing, like, not ironically, like, intentionally, right? Because he does also walk by the house that is the graffitied up to be lotted out for auction. Yeah, right. And, like, we have to remember that the other name for the house is the enough house, right? And, and PIP has realized that, like, even, like, what he is going to be doing is, like, good enough, right? Like, with the room, he's like, it's fine. It didn't affect me that it wasn't a plush room, like, I still slept good and it was fine whenever, like, it was good enough, it was okay, right? Like, seeing the house being torn down. And sold for parts like it wasn't enough for Miss Havisham to have all of these things, right? She always wanted something that she couldn't have, right? And PIP always wanted the something that he couldn't have, even when he had all the money, still wanted to Stella worn that in a minute, like the only people that are satisfied with their life are Joe and bitty, right? Foreshadowing. So, like, he takes this little walk, and PIP is kind of coming to terms with, like, yeah, it's gonna be fine. Like, whatever happens, like, it's gonna be all right, I'll be fine. We can figure this out. It'd be okay. And then he runs into pumblechook, who's just being the worst,
Collin Funkhouser 30:46
the worst
Brandon 30:46
he's like, talking to, who's a little hard to follow, because he just starts talking to people and who are in the room, but you, like, don't really know who they are
Collin Funkhouser 30:55
or why he's he's using them as witnesses, basically, like, see how he is. And, yeah, it's like,
Brandon 31:01
people that work it there and, like, it's just dumb. Like, this part was really, there's, like, two pages, we're just like, oh my gosh, just get over it. I can't, like, whatever. So we know that pumblechook has not changed. He's still the worst. That's what we got.
Collin Funkhouser 31:17
PIP is also previously. Pumblechook said these things, and PIP kept his mouth shut because he didn't think he could speak up to him, and he was just quiet then, then he had his expectations, and he didn't speak up to pumblechook because he couldn't, because of his stature. And now again, Pip being more comfortable with who he is and what he is, he's like, letting out these snide remarks that didn't come before as well, right? He's Yeah, like, kind of not talking back and being disrespectful. But he's definitely, like, What are you talking about? Or, like, real,
Brandon 31:53
yeah, he's doing some barbs out there. Yeah, they're great, like, good. So we get this big, long thing. He finally gets to his breakfast, whatever, and he starts walking towards the house, right? It's a lovely day. It's June now. So he's walking over there. He sees the finally sees the school where bitty has been working, and he's like, oh, man, part of me hope to, like, glance in through the window and see her doing her thing and her stuff, Right? Is that cool? Yeah. And so hold on, yeah, so trying to be doing her thing or stuff. And he's like, Oh, she's not there. Well, drat. That stinks. And he starts walking home to the Joe's house, and he's like, Man, I don't hear any blacksmithy noises. That's weird. That's crazy, man. I wonder what's going on. And he gets to the house, and it's like, surprise,
Collin Funkhouser 33:11
oh, he finds bitty and Joe hugging each other, yeah, and somebody got married, yep.
Brandon 33:20
And it was Vinny and Joe.
Brandon 33:30
So he's like, he does have this funny part where he's like, man, sure, he's a good thing. I didn't say that stuff to Joe the other day. I would have been real awkward.
Collin Funkhouser 33:42
Yes, my first thought was one of great thankfulness that I had never breathed that last baffled hope to Joe. Yeah, right, like he just let it go, and and, and there's a there's a pause here, you can tell like he pauses and he goes straight into Biddy, I'm so happy for you, Joe. I'm so happy for you. And it's not like, begrudging, like, this is genuine, heartfelt. This is like, since this is sincere at a level that we haven't gotten from Pip, yes,
Brandon 34:13
that is true. And so he basically just says, like, hey, you know, I'm happy. And then he does, he does the thing where he's like, you know, I hope that he pulls the Miss Haversham right. He's like, I just hope that you can forgive me for being such a loud Yeah. And they're like, Okay, done.
Collin Funkhouser 34:38
Like, like, just like he did right to her, to her, exactly right.
Brandon 34:47
He was like, Joe was just like, Yeah, okay, no problem. That's fine. He's like, there's nothing to worry about. You know, it's okay. So that was a good bit of thing there. And so he just, he's like, All right, that's it. And boom, goodbye.
Collin Funkhouser 35:05
And he said he instantly, because, right, he came here to, like, make a life with bitty in real time. He's like, Well, I can't stick around because I do have work to do, and I'll be gone. I'm leaving.
Brandon 35:17
Actually, gotta go see my friend Herbie. See my friend, HERBIE.
Collin Funkhouser 35:21
Like, immediately, he's like, okay, that's in this is like, he's picking that direction now, right where he's this his, not that his. Well, I guess his hand was, was forced into this, but he's not during the military and going off. So that's good choice.
Brandon 35:39
I mean, yeah, that's very helpful choice. But like,
Collin Funkhouser 35:43
and what's, what's great now is he clears out, like, he clears out that room, because that was still his room, though, yeah, because he said, Yeah, can I go to my room and this? And then he goes, he's like, can I go up there and just kind of hang out? He sells everything from there that he had that was still his, doing two things. One, freeing him from that spot. Not like, like, Oh, I'm never going back,
Brandon 36:09
you know. But like, just, you know,
Collin Funkhouser 36:11
that's not mine, that's not my place, that's their place. And then, like, it's kind of rapid fire. Like, this is also, like, the guy who helped set up the scheme for funding Herbert comes out, right? Is that here? Yeah, he,
Brandon 36:31
like, he had told Herbert at some point, like, it just like, came out. And then he was like, crap. And then Herbert was like, holy, I couldn't he couldn't believe it. And he was like, Wow, that's so crazy that you would do that for me. That's awesome. But it's just like, after, like, he went to work for Herbert, and he's like, moved in with him and Clara, right? They just like, keep him around. He's like, he's like, also there, and then they're just like, oh man. And then Herbert was just like, Oh, that's so cool. You're so nice. Yeah, it is very just like, whack, like, this part of the story, like, again, because this is Pip in the future, like, telling us this, right? Like, all the stuff up to, like, the bidding Joe thing was, like, all the important bits. And now he's just like, Oh, yeah. And then this happened, and then, like, that's kind of how I got to here now, like, yeah, boom. He said, basically, we worked hard, we tried to do a good job, but it was all because of Herbert being so, like, Herbert's good attitude that, like, propelled us to be successful.
Collin Funkhouser 37:32
Well, yeah, because he's saying, like, he's actually happy now he's because he's working hard. He's got this purpose, he's got this focus to do. They don't have a lot, but he's, he's happy, and he's, you can see a lot of the and he's working his way up in the firm. He's kind of making this stuff, yeah, and, and how much this, this actually, I think what's, what's really interesting at this little closing bit, you see him slotting into the honest simple, hard work, just like Joe had in the forge, right? Like this is he found his forge his own. Yes, I love that. And at the end, also, he says we owed so much to Herbert's ever cheerful industry and readiness that I often wondered how I had conceived that old idea of his inaptitude, right? His kind of inability things until I was one day enlightened by the reflection that perhaps the inaptitude had never been in him at all, but it had been in me. That's true, right? So, yeah, he's, he's recognizing, like, Ah, no, I was, I wasn't. I was the one with lack of vision. I was the one with lack of skill here in this and Herbert was actually out doing the work, and I wasn't doing anything true.
Brandon 38:52
Boom. And then we fast forward again, 11
Collin Funkhouser 38:57
years 11 years later. I do not know how old PIP is. I have no idea how like
Brandon 39:05
it is. Well, I don't know how old Joe is anyway, but like he's did, this means PIP is now in his 30s, right? He's probably somewhere between 33 to 35 years old, okay, right? I would imagine at this point if we've jumped 11 years, because he was, like, in most of this other stuff, he was like, 21 to 23 for like, the majority of this middle bit ish, and then, like, this is 11 years later. So he's in his mid 30s, the early to mid 30s at some point, right? And so he had not seen Joe or bitty, but he has been, like, he's actually been writing to them. And so he's actually keeping up his correspondence this time. So like, even though he's not there, he is, like, doing stuff. Off, right? We just, we don't know where he is. He's not in England, and he's just says in the east. So, like, I don't really know what that means.
40:11
Well, I thought
Collin Funkhouser 40:14
for the beam across the parlor ceiling at Mill Pond had then ceased crumble under the old barley scrolls, and was at peace, and Herbert had gone away. Oh, yeah, yeah. He was Yeah, and I was left in sole charge of the Eastern branch. Yeah, that's all we know. Like, yeah, some I don't know Yeah,
Brandon 40:29
because he said I had quitted England, yes. And so I don't, we don't know where he is. And then in this chapter, 59 last chapter, he says I had often before my fancy in the east. So I said, so we don't know where it is exactly, but anyway, he's like, doing stuff, and he's been working, he's been writing with them, but he does come back to see them, right? He's just come he's like, back in town, he's back in London. And so he comes over to see them, you know, to say hi, and he sees that Joe is exactly the same, just gray. And they have some children, right? One of which they have named Pip. And he's like, wow, that's cool. I hope he turns out better than me, right? And Joe's like, Oh no, we hope he turns out just like you, because you're great, you know, blah, blah, blah, you know. And they're like, Oh, aren't you gonna get married? He's like, Yeah, Herbert and Claire say so too. But you know, whatever, it's fine. I don't care. Like, he's given up on this, and then then he's like, Oh, well, is it because you're still thinking about her? And he's like, no, no, of course, of course, I'm not. That's silly, and it's totally why he hasn't been there, because he's still thinking about her, but he doesn't, you know, he's like, of course I would never that's definitely all gone, right? All gone bitty. That's not a thing anymore.
Collin Funkhouser 41:59
And then the phrase, nevertheless, yes, I knew while I said those words, no,
Brandon 42:11
so, yeah, so he decides to go just on a little walk. He's like, luckily they eat dinner early, and this gave me some time to go on a walk. He did know that he had heard about Estella, and it did her life had not been so happy, right? Because it turns out her husband was a loser. We knew that all along, right? We know. We knew it all along. Like, and so he's all sad about that because, but he's died because he was being mean to a horse. That's all it said.
42:51
Ditch of her husband
Brandon 42:53
from an accident consequent of his ill treatment of a horse which we had seen previously, right? This is not
Collin Funkhouser 42:58
surprising to anybody. No, it is not,
Brandon 43:02
not even a little bit. So, boom, he wants to go out and go for a walk. And he goes to walk by the old Habersham place, right, which is now just a lot,
Collin Funkhouser 43:17
yes, right. And field, basically, and
Brandon 43:19
field, except for, oh yeah, there was no brewery, no buildings whatever, but the wall of the old garden cleared. Space had been enclosed with a rough fence. And looking over it, I saw that some of the old Ivy had struck root anew and was growing green on a low, quiet mound of ruin. A gate in the fence standing ajar. I pushed it open and went in
Brandon 43:46
and and through the silvery mists, whom does he discover walking in the garden? Dun, dun, dun. I saw to be the figure of a woman as I drew near, yet it was about to turn away, when it stopped and let me come up to it. Then it faltered, as if much surprised, and uttered my name, and I cried out, Estella. So yes, fate has brought them together once again, because she's like, Yeah, he's like, You come here a lot. She's like, No. She's like, you. He's like, Yeah, no. He's like, Yeah, no, I haven't been here forever. Like, like, I haven't been here since the that one time. He's like, Yeah, me neither. Funny, but, like, whatever.
Collin Funkhouser 44:44
And he's asking, like, we find out that this, this land, is all she has. This is, this is the only thing that she has kept, is this place. And he's like, are you going to build on it? And she's like, Yeah, actually, yeah, maybe, yeah. I.
Brandon 45:00
Um. And she's like, Are you doing good? And he's like, Yeah. And she's like, I've thought of you off. And he's like, I mean, really, really, oh, that's cool. There was a long hard time when I kept far from me the remembrance of what I had thrown away when it was quite ignorant of its worth. But since my duty has not been incompatible with the admission of that remembrance, I have given it a place in my heart.
45:31
She does have. One does,
Collin Funkhouser 45:33
wow, yeah, basically she's, I love that phrase of the remembrance of what I had had thrown away when I was quite ignorant of its worth. Basically, she's talking about his love for her, yeah, right, like she Yeah, yeah, because of what she believed. And unfortunately, now what she's gone through, she realized what was there, yeah,
Brandon 46:11
but they're going to part again, right? She's just like, Well, it's been nice, but we gotta go. And this is very weird, right? She's like you said to me, God, bless you. God forgive you. And if you say that to me, then you will not hesitate to say that to me now, now when suffering has been stronger than all other teachings and has taught me to understand that your heart what your heart used to be, I have bent. I have been bent broken, but I hope into a better shape, be as considered and good to me as you were, and tell me we are friends.
Collin Funkhouser 46:46
Yep, dun, dun, dun, but, but here he says, We are friends. And then she says, and we will continue friends apart. But I this is so interesting. This last
Brandon 47:00
paragraph is very weird, okay, right?
Collin Funkhouser 47:03
Well, and I have some information. Well, real quick on this, he said, I took her hand in mine and went out of the ruined place, and as the morning mists had risen long ago when I first left the forge, first off, mists in this book are like all over the place, all the place, usually when there's like moral confusion or like fear or uncertainty obscuring things. He said, So the evening mists were rising. Now he's getting clarity, like there's something here, and in all the broad expanse of tranquil light they showed to me. I saw no shadow of another parting from her. Okay? So he's not going to be away from her, right? Yeah, not gonna, not gonna be a part. This is a lot more hopeful than the original ending.
47:58
I know. Did you? I was gonna ask if you had that too.
Collin Funkhouser 48:04
I had stumbled across this
Brandon 48:09
man in my book. Oh, the original edit is printed in my book. Oh, right, okay, and so, yeah, I was like, hold on, because back, back at the after, after he talks to Biddy, right? There's an asterisk and it says, Here begins. Dickens, new ending, as rewritten just before initial publication. The original ending, which is reprinted only rarely. Then follows, done, done. So yeah, this one was interesting. Like, we are we do leave. We have all this history, we have all this stuff, and then we leave on this, like this last line, I saw no shadow of another parting from her. So it is a lot more hopeful. It is a lot like, maybe now that they're both in a healthier mental state of mind, in a better place and have a, you know, have had all this time to like, discover themselves by themselves, that perhaps there is a future, some sort of future for them together, right? That's where we end here, which, after all, this is, I guess good, because basically, the message of the whole book is like to, like, keep hopeful, right? Yep, like to keep looking ahead and try to make better of your situation and like, just being hopeful, right? That's kind of the whole thing.
Collin Funkhouser 49:44
It's uncertain, right? It's uncertain. It's not like, and live happily ever after. It's at least, like, yeah,
Brandon 49:50
it's a start. It's like, a new start, right? I don't want part two, but like, this could be, you know, I've done I can't, but, like, yes. It is uncertain, but it's not like foreboding. You know what? I mean? It's not like a solid end, right? There is this, like they're walking out of the garden, the place where they have a lot of history that was
Collin Funkhouser 50:18
that's since been destroyed, right? Yeah, all that's been gone.
Brandon 50:22
Yes, all the old is gone. Yeah, all of it, right, everything except for their one little piece, this little garden piece, right? Now, whether she kept that on purpose or not, we don't know, but everything else is gone. All has been laid bit waste, and she's gonna build something new as they walk out of the garden together, right? So I can definitely see why he rewrote the ending,
Collin Funkhouser 51:00
because the original ending is really not very great. So not good, it's not good, right? It's basically the same up to,
Brandon 51:12
like the her husband, Drummle, still dead, but she like remarried somebody else, right? A doctor guy and whatever. And, like we talked about, it talks about that a little bit. And he just says that one day, I was walking out in London with little Pip, you know, me, and little PIP hanging out, and somebody came running up to me and asked if the lady in the carriage could speak to me, and he goes up there, and it's Estella in the carriage, right? And she says, I am greatly changed, I know, but I thought you would like to shake hands with Estella too. Pip, lift up that pretty child and let me kiss it, for she supposed the child, I think, to be mine. I was very glad afterwards to have had the interview for in her face and in her voice and in her touch, she gave me the assurance that suffering had been stronger than Miss havisham's teaching, and had given her a heart to understand what mine used to be. This is actually two years after the thing anyway, also, so it's like a further two years after that, and it's just like, he meets her on the street, and she's like, Oh, hey, I just want to say hi. And then leaves again, yep, like that ending, aha, sucks a lot.
Collin Funkhouser 52:44
Not good. Yeah, it's not, yeah,
Brandon 52:49
I agree ending is bad. Like, yeah, I mean it's it really, like, it really undermines the whole like message of the whole rest of the story, right? Yeah, like, it is just that she has moved on, and PIP still kind of likes her. But like, Sucks to suck Anyway, whatever. But like, so the rewritten ending I will, I will say I do like that one better. I think that was a good job well of rewriting that just to kind of fit with the overall theme of the rest
Collin Funkhouser 53:25
of the book. And it it might also like the rest of the book. It leaves so much more open, like, and I think, like, that's what this book is, is good about, is not having a deterministic pathway through literally anything as Pip is trying to find his way and get his great expectations.
Brandon 53:45
Oh, yeah, the twists and turns are abundant,
Collin Funkhouser 53:50
yes, and that's why I think the status this, I think this is referred to as the status house ending like this is people like this ending a lot more. And I agree, because it doesn't, it's not all rosy, it's also not bleak. And so like Final as to like the original ending, yes, it is at least like. And basically the story goes on. And I'm sure that is frustrating to some people, but I think it definitely fits much more with the through line of PIP, at least, right?
Brandon 54:27
Yeah, and just how, like, the whole time he's just been, sort of like, going from thing to thing anyway, right? Like, it's, he's just kind of like, we're just seeing his journey kind of twist and turn all kinds of different ways and, like, there's all of a sudden, like, random stuff just happens, and you're like, wow. So the the new ending, the published ending, is it fits in again, like with that, it's not a it doesn't just stop. Like, this ending, this the original ending being just such a hard stop. Is kind of weird again, especially because he's only, like, in his 30s at this point. So, like, it's weird to have that be there. But I just, I don't know. I just, yeah, I don't like the original, no, I don't know what made him change it. I don't know who was like, yo, yo. This is not Chuck. But, like, no, Chuck,
55:23
you got fixed.
Brandon 55:25
Come on. Like, what are you doing? But I think, yeah, I was thinking about this today, just like, Man, that's a good job. Like, it's at least the other one. Yeah, like you say it's open ended. It's a little hopeful. We can see that both of them have changed and and matured a little bit, right like so there is this door opening right? There is this newness that is to be had everywhere. And so I just, I think it fits more with the story of PIP and his like, coming to realize that it's okay to be like, hopeful, right? Because, again, all of the best influences on Pip's life have this, like, positive, more hopeful outlook, right? Joe Herbert, Herbert Weck, yes, right, yeah, always much more positive, always looking for, you know, like, oh, you know, being hopeful, seeing, you know, striving for stuff like that. Those are the people in this book that are happy, yeah, not, not the people that are like, you know, resentful and like only thinking about the past, only like reflecting about how things used to be, right? That's like Haversham and Jaggers, right, like all the people looking to the future. I mean, even to some extent, bag, which right for he, like, he wanted this future to happen, right? He wanted to look forward to something, right? He, that was the driving thing. We got something to look forward. To drive forward. We gotta do these things to make it happen, right. Like, so even to his, even him, right, like Pip, that's, I think that's the thing that PIP comes to see in him, and why he kind of softens on him there
Collin Funkhouser 57:27
well, and Magwitch is just overall acceptance of life and that there are things that you can fight against and other things you can't fight against. I think that was a big, at least, arc for Magwitch. And that lesson from Pip, yes, the optimistic looking forward, but also the just acceptance of things are going to happen, and you can't do anything about that, and that's okay, yeah, like, you don't
Brandon 57:55
have to, like, that's the message of enough is okay, right?
Collin Funkhouser 57:58
Don't have to fight it. You don't have to rail against it. And which is, again, that sign of major maturity when he's sitting there in front of Biddy and Joe. That was a thing that actually happened that was not in his plan. He couldn't control it, and he just went boom, like the water through Magwitch his fingers in the river, like I'm just flowing through I'm just okay, that's what this is, and I need to keep going. And that's, that is a much more hopeful attitude, although slightly less than, like, Herbert's, like, everything's gonna be great and awesome and woohoo kind of
58:30
yeah
Collin Funkhouser 58:31
kind of thing. But it's, it's, it's hopeful,
Brandon 58:35
nonetheless, that's true. So ah, there we go. Collin, we did it.
Collin Funkhouser 58:40
We did we made it. We've worked our way from the marshes to, I don't know what's happening right now. Still, look at look well, the also, the theme that we have throughout this book is we don't know what comes we don't know what's gonna happen.
Brandon 58:55
Yes, that is the other important theme this book. I had, literally have no idea what's happening. Next. So boom, that does leave you to imagine pips journeying
Collin Funkhouser 59:07
yourself, I guess, right, yeah, but
Brandon 59:09
like, but yeah, that is the other good theme of, I literally cannot tell what's gonna happen next. I Oh, dear. So Well, there you go. Boom, we made it. I know. There we go,
Collin Funkhouser 59:30
yeah, so it's gonna be, I don't know, so now we gotta start thinking about the next summer book.
Brandon 59:35
We do have to do that. Yes, that's so see how we feel about where we need to go from this thing, yeah.
Collin Funkhouser 59:51
How do we pick up from that? Again, think about our summer reading, like what we want.
Brandon 59:55
That's true. The theme of this, yeah, it's good point. We'll brainstorm.
Collin Funkhouser 1:00:01
There, yes, well, Should I, should I round us out in a haiku, or Yeah,
Brandon 1:00:09
birthday party to go to, oh gosh, time, so,
Collin Funkhouser 1:00:13
okay, well, you gotta Yeah. Did you get a nap before
Brandon 1:00:17
you go? Yeah?
1:00:21
Okay, okay,
Collin Funkhouser 1:00:24
tiles click and whisper. Hands move fast. I missed the rules, laughter. I'm still lost.
Brandon 1:00:38
I think that really, really does embody experience, right?
Collin Funkhouser 1:00:43
Like much like Pip, I have no idea. Don't know what's gonna happen. I don't even know why I'm here, but it's here I am. One, how, right? What told you to what about the last 10 minutes tells you that you want so we move forward. Nice. Well, enjoy your day, and we will all right, yes, okay, Love you. Love you.