random corn pan

Collin found interesting architecture. Brandon found his room of requirement. Pip…loses himself.

• Internet is on! 

• Angry winter

• Built by the lowest bidder

• Still falling apart

• 320 ½

• Brandon went on a small adventure

• Random corn pan

• Needs more Mickey Gilley

• Urban Cowboy- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Cowboy 

• Great Expectations 13-15

• We have ourselves…a murder mystery

• Brandon Haiku:

• The hunt for treasure on 

• Dusty forgotten shelves

• Waiting to be found

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podcast, winter walk, architecture, cast iron, antique store, social media, self-worth, murder mystery, Miss Havisham, Estella, Joe Gargery, Orlick, convict escape, Victorian era, apprenticeship, antique search, forgotten shelves, back room, random stuff, evergreen content, 2025 recording, 2026 plans, Dickens, treasure hunt, last room, curating spaces, closing thoughts, haiku, listener engagement, content creation

Speaker 1  00:05

Collin, welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, random corn pan ahoy ahoy. Internet is on in activated.

Brandon  00:24

Oscar, did the wind blow it down?

00:28

Is it? Is it negative four where you are,

Brandon  00:32

it's it's very cold. It's 30 degrees colder than it was this morning.

Speaker 1  00:40

You not, this morning, this morning I woke up, it was 69 and it felt like 6967 here, yeah, now. Feels like temperature is two.

00:56

Oh, are we're

Speaker 1  00:58

at nine. So, you know, nice, Yep, yeah, I Winter came in with a fury, and it was angry,

Brandon  01:07

yeah, after it was like 70 degrees, 75 degrees on Christmas, and it was like, Oh, hey, you know what could be fun? What if we went freezing cold in like, point two seconds. That could be right, that would be fun and exciting, like a brother. What is this?

Speaker 1  01:30

Shenanigans? I was shocked, shocked by this. This morning, we went for like, a long walk through our town. We walked to the courthouse, because it's pretty and then, because we had lots of time, and because winter would arrive with a vengeance, we were like, you know, we're gonna do we're just gonna, like, be outside and walk and so it's fair, yeah, so we kind of did this walk of of downtown along main main street, but this time keeping an eye on the architecture of the buildings and like, trying to guess, like, so what we did is around the main square was like, okay, like, what could we tell what some of these buildings used to be the turns out The banks from the late 1800s kind of give themselves out. There's a easy tend to do that. Usually, if they don't have giant columns, it's it's chiseled into the granite, yeah, just like right

Brandon  02:36

bank, right above the door, right. Just in case you were

Speaker 1  02:40

gonna miss it. Anyone should miss it. My also favorite thing, and this all started because we were walking, and weirdly, the County Ambulance district is right along this path as we're walking. And today, while walking, I saw for the first time above this little doorway. I'm gonna send you this picture. This is above, this is on a random building where the County Ambulance district is. And above that is this little like, really pretty carving of a ship that's like gold. And then that is definitely in boat, that's true. And then above it is a gargoyle head, yeah, right, and so. And then along the side, I forget what they're called, the filigree, the little like roses, the flowers, yeah,

Brandon  03:34

I really hate my new phone messaging interface, by the way. Just in case you're curious,

Speaker 1  03:40

tech, tech review coming in, folks, this is what, this is what started. Because at no point have I noticed this architectural detail. And so once I pointed out, now we're all looking for weird things, true. And then the other thing, my other thing was favorite to ask was, we'd be walking along and you see these buildings, and you'd say, hey, when was that building built? And of course, your first answer is, there is no way I will know when that building is built, except for at the top,

Brandon  04:12

see aforementioned inscribed in stone.

Speaker 1  04:16

It's usually inscribed in stone a year in which the building was built. I don't know why this process. I don't know the history about this, or why it was necessary

Brandon  04:27

for the Mason thing. Yeah, right. Like this is a mason thing. I feel like this is a mason thing. Not everyone. Not like Freemason, weird, no, just like actual, like, Mason, stone mason thing. This is fair.

Speaker 1  04:41

This is fair. And so, so this has just started. And so we started the downtown area, and there everything's, like, really beautifully faced, or like undergoing renovations. And then we use, what's fun is you get to start to see, like, Hey,

04:57

could you tell how big the original.

Speaker 1  05:00

Original windows used to be in that building, right? Because they used to be all single pane and like six foot by six foot. And then sometime in the early 1900s or like in the 60s, somebody was like, I can't afford to buy that window, so I'm going to board it up, break them in, and then I'm going to put in Anne smaller window. So that was, course, cool to start pointing out. But then what we did is we walked from the square down to Main Street, which is right by the railroad. And this is where, like the real old buildings are my town. Our town was founded in 1860 and there are buildings from 1860 right along there. And then what's fun is then we walked so the town, basically we started where the town started, and then we walked along the westward expansion of the town, right? And we could figure out, like, notice, how the buildings go from being like really ornate, beautifully kept storefronts to like brick, like plain, plain brick, no windows, and warehouse, warehouse, right? This is, this is where we were heading. And like loading docks, and like how the buildings, it was a really cool, fun walk. And by the end, we had to have these conversations about like, well, I one question that came up was, Dad, why don't people build buildings out of brick and granite anymore?

Brandon  06:39

Because we have cheaper things to build buildings out of right? And you're gone. You go, here's a fun here's a fun thing to think about next time you go into a building, listeners, all modern buildings are built by the cheapest bidder. Yes, huh? There you go. You know, I like to bring it up at school. Sometimes my fellow teachers are like, Man, why is this building so weird? I'm like, well, because it was built by the lowest bidder. That's why they're like, odd.

Speaker 1  07:14

And that was, was, why do people build it so cheap if they know it's not going to last long. And I went, ah, because they don't care that it won't last long. Yes. And also, also, it's not as though people were building these buildings thinking that they would still be around in another 140 years. True, right? It was just the nature of the materials lend themselves to long lifespan and preservation of that building. Yeah.

Brandon  07:45

I mean, like, yes, in 1860s like, you can't you, there is no sheet metal, right? There is no sheetrock, right? Like, the building materials world doesn't really exist. It's like, it's kind of like yield RPG, like, collect stone, right?

Speaker 1  08:11

Well, right. So we were downtown, and we're looking at the columns and the granite that are facing all the stores and stuff. We get down to where some of these, some of these other buildings that were built cheaper, and here's how I know, it's because they didn't use the granite and the stone. No, they used what I can only believe to be cast iron storefronts.

Brandon  08:41

Have you seen I don't know. I don't think we have any of those. Ours are all like brick so and jumpstone.

Speaker 1  08:49

I had never paid attention to this, but that we have storefronts where the door frame the lintels around the top and down, it's all of one piece. And if you look underneath the paint that is really appealing. It's solid metal. Oh, like interesting. Poured iron into a mold, and they went build a storefront around this. And I can only assume that this, this, ladies and gentlemen, was the cheaper option, right? A single. Well, I mean, mold. Yeah, for the warehouse, that's probably true, actually, yeah, this was wild, and we're just staying there and then, and then we walked past the building that I've mentioned here that is falling apart. Oh, yes, spoiler, still falling apart, still, I was gonna say still not falling all the way down, though. But what it does give you is a wonderful look at the a beautiful like deconstructed building and the process of it just slowly collapsing.

Brandon  10:00

Right on this, yeah, you can see all those construction techniques, yeah, thing where we have some of the buildings kind of like we saw when we were in. Where were we? Oh, in wauke, right place of Oklahoma, yes, yeah, where you have, like, the you like, we went downtown to eat on some day this week, right when we are on adventure. Then I'll get to a little bit. But like, they have the thing where, like, you the build, the front of the building used to be out further into, like, out on the sidewalk, like, outside the building, you can see, like, tile right from where it was, like, that's where the wall was, like, this is the floor, or there was like decorative floor, like right outside the building, or whatever. But sometimes it's like, this was when you came in the building, yes, but that it was like a set out as, like a storefront display window, you know, and like, that is gone now, but the tiling is still just there, like, on the ground, there's a couple, like, the coffee shop place has that, like, outside the building, there's just, like, there's just some tile here, because the building used to come out further, like just a little bit, or at least a window front bit was taking out more, you know, when it was more shoppy and stuff like that,

Speaker 1  11:23

yeah, yeah, absolutely. And, and you see those details, right? And all of a sudden you're, like, really looking around. And so it was neat. That was our, that was our morning adventure before we ran inside to stay. Yes, a lot of ours are like, or maybe not a lot, but there are several buildings down in our downtown that are like,

Brandon  11:45

they do the thing where they have the you can definitely tell they're like, old, like, store display windows, because there are still things where there's their windows are out here and then the door is inset back, like you walk between the window things to go back to the door. The door is back further than the display, so some of the stores still have that, right? The thing there like that. So you'd be like, Oh, that was, like, one of them was, like, a department store, right? Like, oh, there's to go, oh.

Speaker 1  12:16

And then you just reminded me, yeah, we had these series where there was all these in the department stores for the display windows. It's inset. It's so cool, right? And we have a few stores who still like, well, they're antique stores, and they because that's what you do in old buildings a lot, yeah. And they like, they're doing those up, those big, beautiful display cases in Windows.

Brandon  12:37

We were walking and the building thing, I was like, 321 No, it's 320 and

12:46

right on the front was 320 and

Brandon  12:49

a half. Whoa. What in the magical platforms going on here? Yeah.

Speaker 1  12:56

And I was asked, What is going on here? And I said, Well, these buildings have two stories. You get to Hogwarts, like, yeah. And so what happened is, this was an building, right? It was somebody built this. Usually shops. Shopkeepers lived above it, and then they had their store below it. However, in some of these it was converted so that there was a shop below, and then there was, like, a shop or something above it, a different door shop. Yeah, a different or shop. And they needed an address. Well, they can't change the entire row of buildings because to the left and to the right of this is 319 and then 321 and so they they cut in an external staircase, put a door 321 320 and a half, and then we're walking, and it's like, that's really common in our downtown.

Brandon  13:49

That's interesting. I don't I've never noticed that on our I'll have to look next time

Speaker 1  13:54

we begin there. Sometimes it's tricky. Sometimes, because we we it's all over. We're not like, it's not like on everything, but like way more common than I expected, where there's like the main door, and then there's like a little door to the right or to the left that's shut and locked and has a different address, either it has a half on it. And then some of them have external doors where you can just walk up the steps, and then up the top of the steps is the door that goes into the other shop, and there's no door, right that it's and there's mailboxes there. It's just like, all crazy. So it's like, yeah, this is them figuring out what do with this existing space to make it more workable. Because the original shopkeeper isn't there anymore, and now it says in the second or third or fourth or 17th hands, and they want to use it differently. So it's kind of neat to see adapting adaptations to to the buildings and yeah, 320, and a half. But it's like, that's true.

Brandon  14:56

That's funny. It's great. Yes, I. I think I made a business before, but we have, there is one building downtown that is, it is a antique store, right, obviously, because, like you said, that's what you do. But it also, it's, it's an antique store like, but the majority of their business is also like T shirt shop, right? Yes, no, the downstairs is like, overflowing with t shirtness. But it used to be a department store, and the layout of the store is like, super cool, like the counter is still this huge counter is in there, right? And, but if you go upstairs in the back, you can go to the second floor, where it's like, open in the middle, so it's like, horseshoed all the way around, right? And there's these little like, it's all separated. And Susan said that that's because it used to be like, they used to put, like, different furniture displays in each of the little cubby thing. Oh, what, right? So it goes, there's a railing upstairs that goes like, all the way around. You can see from downstairs, right? And it's like completely circling you. But when you go upstairs, there's like, these little cubbies, these like little sections, right? And they're just like, you know, 1012, feet long, or whatever. But she said that those were displays, so you can see, like, all the furniture, or whatever, together that is so cool. And some of them have, like, different carpeting in them still, like they there is a third floor that you can't go to. Oh, third floor, like, so bad, like, I can't even begin to understand. Oh, like the urge used to be like,

16:44

what is on the third floor of this building?

Brandon  16:47

So she said that used to be like, offices and stuff, right? Or like, manager offices, whatever. So there could be, who knows what's up there. But I like that.

Speaker 1  16:59

Speaking of doors that were shut. Well, that's two things about downtown. I know one of your favorite pieces of downtown is your artwork in mural that you have. Oh, yeah, and I thought of you today because in walking down in our downtown, which we actually have like six or seven murals throughout downtown, nice. They're beautiful. Came across one today, and I failed to grab a photo, and I apologize. However, imagine this Brandon train running along the tracks. This is huge. It's all along the side of this massive building, beautiful train. Oh, is it an alley, too. That's what's weird, how much space to like, step back and get perspective, because you just kind of see it glancingly Beautiful scenery. Train running along the tracks, very detailed. And what, what? What could possibly be looming over the the train as it is, it trundles down the tracks, I know, but, but but a giant American flag, of course, the head of an eagle. See how generic look I'm telling you

Brandon  18:13

how boring they had it with the train. It was like you were so close if you were just stopped. Yeah, just like, No,

Speaker 1  18:21

stop, no, no, you can't. You can't. But just, and so I just stood there laughing, and I couldn't, I couldn't take a picture, because on the other side of this alley is the abandoned old movie theater. Like, I don't know when this thing is from, but it is, it is not. It has not been used in many, many decades. And I'm going to say probably it's, you know, 1940s 50s era, and it didn't last very long. However, it has a, it has a abandoned, dangerous building. Do not enter. Sign on it. Oh, so, of course, I just went up and opened the door. Yeah, I've

Brandon  19:08

seen enough urban exploration YouTube videos to know that that's really just a suggestion, and it's fine. So the door opened. I mean, wait, all of those, all of those image videos are generated by AI, and nobody was breaking any laws. That's what I mean to say, No, right?

Speaker 1  19:28

In my fever dream, I opened Yes, yeah. And I mean, had it not been for the hypothetically, had it not been for the massive amounts of pigeon feces, oh yeah, everywhere, yeah, and the the fumes that hit me as I opened that door, I would have totally got into this building. I'm not gonna lie. That's why all the urbex dudes wear the little mask, mask I know number one. It's to be, you know, incognito. But. Also right, like, but this totally there door open, ready to walk into nice and I just, I just, I mean, technically, hypothetically, could have walked into, but didn't realistically.

Brandon  20:17

Yeah, I was when I was like, I had a moment like this. When I was walking down, I was waiting for Susan to do a thing downtown, so I was, like, walking around several months ago. I think I moved today, and so I just started walking through the alleyways, right, yeah, and like, up on top of this thing you could see, like, graffiti, you know. And I was like, I

20:38

can get up there. Like,

Brandon  20:43

I did it obviously, like, in the middle of the day too, that's pretty suspect. But I was like, Yeah, I could get up there. Like, yeah, totally these intrusive thoughts, like, yes, ah,

Speaker 1  20:59

at the threshold, just being like, Oh man, like, if I wasn't being, if I wasn't worried about the respiratory diseases or being rushed by, you know, the squatters who live in here, most likely, yeah. Or just the pigeons, right? Or just the pigeons I've seen Home Alone New York. I know what

Brandon  21:19

pigeons do, or the random raccoons are just, like, chilling, like, Get out

Speaker 1  21:24

of my I don't want rabies. And so I was like, I'll just shut this door. And that's just, you know, it's just a life that's left in left,

21:35

yeah, it's fine, yeah.

Speaker 1  21:37

I thoroughly this was this, was this was brought this today. Brought me much joy this morning, be able to walk through.

21:52

You went on an adventure too.

Brandon  21:54

What was well, a small adventure, right? We, we were wandering around downtown and stuff, and we, we went to the antique stores, right? Is what we did, because, because Susan and dusty, like, concocted some sort of, like bizarre Christmas gift exchange ritual that involved gifts from a flea market, right? And so we, of course, had to go journeying.

22:22

Yes, this is good, right?

Brandon  22:24

I was a bit taken off guard, because they were, like, she had mentioned that they were going to do that, and I was like, okay, that's kind of cool, whatever. And then, like, I don't know if I wasn't paying attention or it was one of those things where I think they were texting each other like parts of this plan. And then all of a sudden, there was messages in a group text between me, dusty and Susan, about this plan. And I was like, What is oh happening? There's like, and so I got reeled into this somehow, I see anyway, so we went. We did go and do had to go buy a Christmas present for dusty at the antique store, right? And so this was difficult, because right, I was trying to think, like, does this gift need to just be the embodiment of an antique store, or does it need to be like some really random thing to get her for a deal, right? This was what I was struggling with.

23:25

Like, do you

Brandon  23:26

get the random cast iron corn pan thing? Because every antique store in the Midwest has random cast iron corn pan, like every single one, every single one up there, yes, it has it in there. Doesn't have to uh huh. Or do you get also important on the bingo card of at least Missouri flea markets, Zane gray slash Louis novels, right? Just stacks of those things everywhere, so well worn, it's uncomfortable, yeah, but importantly, I did discover at least part of the present is definitely a like, Bigfoot research team coasters.

Speaker 1  24:14

Yes, absolutely, it is. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, this is the goal that you're looking for.

Brandon  24:22

Yes, it's very difficult. Like, do you get random dish things do you get? Like, why is there so many like, random silver cups in here? They just need about 20 minutes of polishing and they'll be good to go. And of course, because, I mean, can I walk past the giant bins of tools without looking through them? No, no. Why would you not? That's ridiculous. Do I need an eight inch T bevel square? Probably no. Well, do I have one now?

Speaker 1  24:53

Yes, and now and now you need it. You'll be like, Huh? See, yeah.

Brandon  25:00

Yeah, right. So they go, this is my I was like, ah, Merry Christmas to myself. Like, do I need this? Absolutely not. Do I carpenter ever? No, but I might need it. And judging by looking on eBay, I got a heck of a deal on this sucker too. So they go, there we go. Even some of them, they're like, he's not, like, expensive items. But they were like, there's some of them on stuff, like, $25 plus shipping. Like, bro, this thing was like, 10 bucks. Like, come on. It's got brass on it. Come on. Ease. That was, do I need this? No, yes, I think so. Is it going in my toolbox? Though? Absolutely right. Just, and you can tell us from antique store, because somebody else's initials are burned into the bottom.

25:53

That's perfect, though,

Brandon  25:57

provenance, that's what we call that, and that's we call that provenance, yes, yes, you're

Speaker 1  26:05

just carrying on their tradition and their legacy with your weird little tool now, except for

Brandon  26:12

they were probably an actual Carpenter, so, but never know. But yeah, that was our big adventure, and so we have to meet up with her to do that, because we did see her on, like, Christmas, but like, it was with the whole rest of the family, and that would have been awkward to like, but hey, dusty, I got you a present exclusively. No one else. So that's so we're gonna do that later. But, like, that's fair.

Collin Funkhouser  26:48

Well, that's good. I We, I have not been we have a I haven't been into an antique store in a while. We do have one in our town that is trying to be like and succeeding, being like, the high end, like, classy one, yeah, where everything is very nice, which just means, like, they know the price, and so it is priced

Brandon  27:11

accordingly, yeah, some of them, I don't like that. We have a couple, you know, but I only really like to go to one of them because some of the other ones are, like, people that are, they're like, there's like, like, crafty stuff in there, you know, yeah? Like, there's not a lot of, like, random old junk, and that's what I want, yeah, is like the random old stuff like that. It's not a one like, you're the one that we go to the most has, like, a mix of things, right? Yeah? But the one that we go to also used to be a train station, so it's winning there too. But like, nice or like, there's one and it's got like, a lot of, like, big furniture in it that's like the most like, it's got mostly like, stuff that people like redone, or like, are redoing, where it's like, it's just not as cool. I don't know I like the vibes of this one. It's, it's very the vibes are very important in Yeah, the

Speaker 1  28:02

antique stores, yeah, this one, like, yeah. This one is definitely more of, like, a everything is curated and like now, like those ones and matched and stuff. And they definitely do not have the random corn cast iron pans in there as there's so that's

Brandon  28:18

unfortunate, because that is, that's how you know you're in the right spot, right, random corn pan, right? Like, that's what this one also, we haven't been in there in, like, a long time, and there is still a giant stack of aluminum cafeteria trays. So, like, at this point,

Speaker 2  28:40

really, it's like, I think it's like,

Brandon  28:44

Why do I, you know, they've been sitting here for a real long time. I bet you get a good deal on them. Why do they? They need to be they also had, like, a huge jukebox in there, right? Which was not their last time, and it's definitely from the 80s, like, definitely based on the country songs in this jukebox, and the fact that there's more than one Mickey Gilly song, oh, was really kind of intriguing. I think you found it. I look, I don't know, having one Mickey Gilly song is pretty niche. More than one. This is getting intense. Guys like, what? What in the boobs, cootin Boogie is happening right now. Where did this thing come from? What mystery

Speaker 1  29:34

provenance is this thing? Because, Oh, holy cannoli, like, what you just want to know, what? What, dive bar, what? What Honky Tonk did that pull out of you just want to

Brandon  29:45

know where on earth was this, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1  29:49

And you want to sit down with a guy who put it together. Because, let's be honest, you know, just like, What? What was the thought process? How many times you get yelled at that you didn't have enough?

Brandon  30:00

Of these, yeah, who says, I mean, again, this got me from the 80s, right? Like, because who else is? Man needs more. Mickey Gilly, like, that is really awkward, right? This is a, what is the movie? Was it Urban Cowboy with John Travolta, that takes place at Gillies, right? Yeah. Is it urban cowboys that John Travolta? Is that true? Is that what I'm thinking of? Yes, okay, good pull, yeah, and that's a very 80s movie. So that's probably the way this jukebox is the era that this jubox is from. Yes, that's what you need more of. No, I definitely don't have a place to put this monsters thing, like, it's huge. Well, yeah,

30:52

it's hold all that. Mickey Gilly, it's

Brandon  30:54

got all the 45 records in there. It's like, it's like four feet across. It's huge. I think what you're trying to say is it's perfect. It's like the rectangle ones, you know, oh yeah, it's like the big rectangle, and it has, like the big backboard thing, nice, so, but it is like four feet

31:14

wide. Yeah, that's rough.

Brandon  31:19

I just gotta have a spot for that, right? This is not a like, oh, I'll just fit this in my day. No, you know, you gotta plan around this. This is the living room, right? Like, Oh my gosh,

31:38

that's great. Yeah, pretty good. So that's

Brandon  31:46

so that's all we've done really this weekend, just been vegging out, right? And actually playing video games for a while. Have some time so attempting to make my way through that, to try to finish it this time, right? Trying to finish cyberpunk, totally not related to any current events whatsoever. Don't worry about it. It's fine.

Speaker 1  32:05

No, no, but like crazy, yeah.

Brandon  32:15

I was watching part of the video as a today earlier. It's something that we talked about before too. Is like a lot of people think cyberpunk and like that kind of thing is cool, but that's because they don't understand what's happening. They just like, look at the Sci Fi tech. And they're like, Oh, that's sweet. No wait, no, hold on back up here. Like the fact that, the fact that people like Elon Musk think it's cool means that he doesn't understand media at all, or fiction. Like, wait no, see the bad guy here? It's you,

Speaker 1  32:53

like all of the tech billionaires who are like, they saw a Terminator, and they're like, what they got out of it was so you're saying you can have some technology that just controls everything. And that's, yeah, wow. That sounds great. Like, yeah, did you miss the most? What? Huh?

Brandon  33:10

Yes, yes. Like, clearly, Elon Musk watched Robocop. It was like, Oh, that truck is cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1  33:17

Wait, yes, people who was they thought? They thought Hal 9000 they're like, he's just misunderstood. I think, yeah, if then statements, he'd be fine. I can, I can program it out of him.

Brandon  33:31

How this works. I could fix him. Don't worry. Oh, that's my sci fi novel. Oh, man, there we go, toxic relationship. But guys, I can fix him. I could fix it. Tech billionaire, yeah, like, no. Guys, don't worry, I can fix him. So he's just misunderstood.

Speaker 1  33:57

Guys, all the on all the dates and stuff, all the friends and family are trying to, like, have an intervention. It's not healthy, and you're not it's not

Brandon  34:04

good, and he's just, like, flags everywhere, no guys, you just don't understand him. Like I do

Speaker 1  34:10

just, I just, I've just gotta code more. It's fine. It's coming on, great. They're they've grown so much.

Brandon  34:18

Yeah, this is, oh dear, toxic High School relationship, but it's aI instead, like, but,

Brandon  34:32

of course, we did have some time for some reading. I did too, Aha, I will say I did have to go back, because I did read this like much earlier in the week, and so earlier today, I was like, Wait, what happened? Yes, because of all the Christmas thing, all the blah, blah and everything, I was like, Man, I sat down. I was like, Wait a minute. Do. I remember what Pip was up to

Brandon  35:08

a little bit because I did, of course, watch the Christmas Carol. So you know some of these things, and you were just coming in hot here, right? So we read, what did we read? 1314, 1513, 1415, yes. Okay, there we go. Yes. Ah, yes. So we had to go Pip, had to bring Joe to Miss Havisham, right, yes, something that he was quite embarrassed to have to do. He was not looking forward to this and it this is what follows. May be the most awkward social interaction ever written.

Speaker 1  35:48

I did not appreciate the awkwardness of this, and I felt even more awkward

Brandon  35:56

after this. So bad. Like, when you watch, like, I don't remember this has a name, right? Like me watching like TV, you get, like, secondhand embarrassment for people, right? We've talked about this before, but, well, there has a name. There's some sort of name for that, but like, that is what this chapter is like, right? Like, it's just happened written for all it is just so hard to to listen to and read. Yes, sorry. I'm trying to Google the name for this, and I can't. I got a vicarious embarrassment that's really not very exciting. I was hoping there was some sort of exciting word, like Sean Florida for this, but it's like the opposite of that. Anyway, yeah, so we go. There we are. We get our first intro line to the chapter gives us basically this thought was, it was a trial to my feelings on the next day to see Joe arraying himself in his Sunday clothes to accompany to Miss Havisham, right? Because he's trying. Joe was trying so hard to, like, get dressed up for the situation that it's it's already awkward for PIP to have to watch him do this, yep. Oh, no. Um, sister not wanting to be left out because she's very miffed that she's not going like, how come she didn't say she wanted to see me, so she's going to, but she's just gonna stay with Uncle pumblechook For you know Reasons. Yeah, and so there they go down and they get let in estella's there, so he's like, embarrassed that Estella has seen Joe, right? And they go in there, and they just go, like, right in. And Joe is just like, so overwhelmed with this whole situation, also, right? Gotta remember Mitch Habersham is freaking weird, okay, yep. And somehow, Pip is, like, relatively accustomed to this, like, very bizarre scene that is happening right of her, in her withered old wedding dress, half dressed in thing, right? And so he's just kind of like whatever, and like not taking into account that Joe has got to be so utterly confused about what in the world he's looking at right now,

Speaker 1  38:31

and uncomfortable, right as a group, yeah, in the dark, right?

Brandon  38:35

Let around this big, decrepit house into darkness, like to this creepy, weird lady sitting in a room wearing the same clothes she's been wearing for who knows how long, uncomfortable amount of time. Yeah, like, really, kind of disgusting, you think about it. But like, like, you babe, what's going on here anyway? So yeah, and so she proceeds to have a conversation with Joe, but Joe will only talk to

Speaker 1  39:08

pip, and only address Pip, yeah,

Brandon  39:12

even address her,

39:15

use her name.

Brandon  39:18

Okay, yeah, so it's like, she will ask Joe something. Joe will turn and answer Pip, and then she, like, just has to listen to him talk to pip, and then, like, continue. It's a very ineffective way to have a conversation, right? This reminds me of, like, sometimes Susan's mom will do this, or she does this all the time, right? Like, we'll be sitting all together, right? All together, we're all at the table, right? And she'll ask Susan a question, and then she'll look at Susan and say things like, Well, does Brandon like that?

39:56

And I'm like, I'm I'm right here. Yeah. I'm literally right here. It's not

Speaker 3  40:03

the 1940s anymore. You can talk directly to me. It's okay, like

40:09

no one's coming for you, right? So

Brandon  40:16

sometimes I just answer, but sometimes Susan will go, I don't know, Mom, why don't you ask him

40:22

nice, nice. She

Brandon  40:26

did the other day in the car too, like we're just driving. She goes, Brandon, think blah, blah. That was like, bro, I'm right here. I can hear you. This reminded me of that a little bit right, like this. That's fantastic. So bizarre. Anyway, she wants to give them money, right? She wants to make sure that you're gonna, like, you're gonna take Pip, right? And Pip's slightly disappointed here, because he kind of thought the whole time that, like, Mr. Habersham was gonna, like, help him out, or, like, take him under her wing, whatever that would be, yeah. But here we can see she's like, No, I want to make sure that you apprentice this boy. And PIP is kind of like, upset about this, right? Because he's on this quest. He wants to, like, be more gentlemanly, right? He wants to, like, improve his station in life, yeah, if only to impress these people for some weird reason first, but now he's, like, confronted with the fact that he will have to be Joe's apprentice. Yep. And she, like, gives him 25 guineas, which apparently this is another word for pounds, because the British just have 75,000 names for their currency. This is like I did some unit converting earlier in the week. So I might be off slightly. This is something like $2,500 Oh, today, okay, right? 2600 This is a lot of money, yeah, a lot. This is like months worth of wages. Oh, my goodness, right. Okay, so this is like her compensating pit for his time or something, I guess, right, awkwardness, hopefully, yeah, this is a, this is an absurdly large amount of money, right? That she just like, throws at him. And this is why that he's kind of like, right? Like, but she all, that's why she's also like, you'll get no more from me, right? She's making that perfectly clear. Like, this is, I'm giving you this, but you will not get any more. And she's saying that because this is a stupid amount of money to be giving somebody.

42:49

Yeah, she makes it's very plain,

42:51

like you said, Yeah, this is and because, what does she say? She pulls

Brandon  43:01

him aside too, right,

Speaker 1  43:04

Joe, as they're leaving, where she says that boy has been a good boy here, and that is his reward, right? Of course, as an honest man, you will expect no other and no more, right? It's really final, as in like and done, and don't, is it so abrupt too? Like, I guess it was abrupt starting and awkward starting, and this is a very awkward end too, because also, what does she What does she not do in this conversation? She never says, Thank you, right? She says, like, this has been good. I've enjoyed this. This has enriched my, my life for blah, blah, Nope, it's a,

43:46

well, yeah, like, and, I guess, I

Speaker 1  43:49

guess the whole point of having Joe come in as, like, is, is Pip telling the truth here? And does he have a future? And, okay, yeah. Like, is it, is it a, is Pip going to be okay, kind of thing, or is this just a Another novelty thing that she needs in her life to enrich herself? I don't know.

Brandon  44:09

Yeah, it's really kind of unclear, and it's really kind of weird. But I really found the website I looked at this is approximately 125 days worth of skilled tradesmen's labor in 1850 worth of work, right? Roughly. So it's like $2,600 that she just like throws at him. I was like, Okay, here you go.

44:36

That's insane. This is enough money to

Brandon  44:38

buy a whole horse or four cows, apparently. Well, yes,

44:44

you know what? I didn't know that before I do.

Brandon  44:49

So they just it's go right? And the parting words here are kind of also harsh, like, am I to come again? And she says, No. No, right? Nope, he's your master now. Bye, great, and, boom, they walk away, right? And it's really awkward thing, and Joe doesn't really recover well from this, but like, they also is this, this chapter, hold on, like we go and see the uncle, right and see, and

Speaker 1  45:40

there's some weird like, where Joe, Joe is now saying that this is for Mrs.

Brandon  45:46

Joe, suddenly too, right? This is where he keeps saying, like, well, she's Oh yeah.

Speaker 1  45:57

He's saying Miss Haversham said, Joe, with a fixed Look at me, like an effort of remembrance, made it very particular that we should give her were compliments or respects? Pip compliments, I said, which that were my own belief. Answer Joe, her compliments to Mrs. Joe Gargery, like all of a sudden, it's like, and I don't know if this happened in a private conversation that wasn't recorded. I don't think so. I think this is just like, Joe.

Brandon  46:25

I feel like I kind of felt like this was him, like, understanding why PIP lied last time, right? And I think he's just like, it feels like, like it's so like, he's just like, oh yeah, she's because she's so mad, right? And she's so upset, and he probably doesn't want to get boxed in the ears again or punch in the nose because she's insane, that he's like, Oh yeah, no, she said, uh, she said to tell you Hi, right? Yes, you know, like, just like, a, oh yeah. Like, he's, he's, it, he's like, putting, like, these are the common courtesy things I think of the time, right? You, like, ask about other people, right? And you do these things, right, the niceties of the circle of people, right, which Miss Havisham clearly doesn't do ever, right? But Joe's like, oh yeah, no, she said, she said the best, best wishes to you and but like, because that's what you're supposed to do, you know, you know, it's kind of like, when you see somebody like, oh yeah, tell them I said hi, like, and you sometimes for do and you sometimes forget it, right? But you're just, you know, like, they're oh so and so. Said, Hi, like, you know, it's like that. I think he's just like, adding that, okay, in there, that's kind of what I felt like. I don't know if that's true,

47:44

because where,

Speaker 1  47:47

where, if he actually said what? And I think, yeah, it's like he's trying to, just trying to make that interaction as normal as humanly possible, and then soothe his wife as well.

Brandon  48:01

Yeah, I think that's, yes. I think that's, that's kind of what I took it because, like, clearly Miss Howard trim would never say these things. We don't know she's pretty mysterious to us still, but like, we know enough about her that she does not stand on, like, nice teas or like general Congeniality, like she doesn't care. She has no care about these things, right, like manners and proper decorum and whatnot, right? She walked around the table, smacking her with her walking stick, telling people where they were going to sit to enjoy her funeral. And so she's not asking about others will be not even a little bit, not even a little bit so we like. And then follows a very bizarre sequence that I this was very weird, right? And I'm assuming this is based on, like, actual historical events, because otherwise, why would he put it in the book? Right? It doesn't make sense. But we have to like, we have to bind him to Joe like, right? Now, all of a sudden, like we must. Like we have. We did this thing. We've talked to Miss Havisham. You said this to her, you, she's giving all this money. And the uncle is, like, very like, yes, yes, yes. We must have him bound. I said I'd see to it. So they have to, like, really, like, rush out to the town hall to see the justices, and they have to do this, like, whole thing and like, sign official papers. Because, like, this isn't just like, oh, pips, kind of like, hang out and work with Joe in the forge. I don't know this apparently, like official state sanctioned apprenticeship with Jules regulations. Something has to happen here. So we have to go to the courthouse, we have to see the justices, we have to stamp the paper. We have to have some sort of binding contractual agreement right in the bureaucracy that, of course, is the Victorian era. Obviously this must occur. And so this whole like whirlwind thing was, like, very confusing, because I was like, what?

Speaker 1  50:21

Well and like, yes, it also comes with things he cannot do. We later find that, like, it sounds like part of this is if he's ever, oh, gosh, where was this? Oh, I'd lost this, where he's like, he can't, like, if he gets caught drinking or being out past curfew or something like that, like he could, oh, it just says yes address the subject of my being bound, and had fiendishly congratulated them on my being liable to imprisonment if I played at cards, drank Strong liquors, kept late hours or bad company, or indulged, indulged in other vagaries which the form of my indentures adventures appeared to contemplate, right? So he's basically saying like this also comes with a lot of other things around this too. And I was confused as to why this was necessary. If this was pumblechook being like, Well, we said we were going to do this, and she's said to do this, or did it have to do with this large sum of money that

Brandon  51:28

all this might do with that? Right? Like, if he's indentured, then, like,

51:34

it's not

Brandon  51:37

like, I feel like part of it is like, because now he's like, like, when they say the word indentured, right? That That, to me, means, like, this money doesn't necessarily belong to pip now, like, they're holding it for him. That's what I thought as well, right? Based on the fact that they decided to go out and eat in this, like, big crazy restaurant, right? And they're gonna use this money to have this celebratory dinner, right? But they're not really celebrating PIV. They're just, like, actually using an excuse to, like, go out and appear to be people of means, right? At pips expense, really. So PIP is funding this, and also, when you're talking about that other stuff, I don't know if that is, like, real or if that is just pumblechook thing, like, oh, you know, you got to do this and do these things, or else, what? Like, I don't know what the actual illegal standing of any of this is, or is this just pumblechook, like, blowing smoke, kind of like, scare PIP into make sure he, like, listens and falls. That's what, like, I was unclear about that, right? That's a loss in translation thing. I don't know if that's, I think it's actually true, or if that's like, Puppy Joe just being like, Oh, listen up. Like, being all holy Tony and weird and holier than thou, like he is, right? Like, yes, and PIP is not enjoying any of this. And he, like my only other remembrance of this great festival, are that they wouldn't let me go to sleep.

Speaker 1  53:13

Yes, he's so tired. Everybody keeps telling him, you should be having fun. And he's like, I am, even though I was Yeah.

Brandon  53:22

So he just, like, wants to go to bed, and they like, won't let him, and they just keep waking him up and making him be part of the conversation that he clearly has no

53:33

care in the world about, right?

Brandon  53:34

And the final line of this chapter is, finally, I remember that when I got into my little bedroom, I was truly wretched. I had a strong conviction on me that I should never like Joe's trade. I had liked it once, but once was not now. I think this is partially reflection of two things, right? Number one, we have, as we'll see in the next chapter, like next chapter is very short, and it's basically just only PIP being like, embarrassed, right? Not embarrassed, but, like, a little bit embarrassed, but like he, like we've talked about before, like, he never really thought about his like, common status until he saw Miss Havisham and Estella, right? And now he's very aware of his common status, and so like, whenever he wasn't aware, like Joe straight seemed like, perfectly fine, right? But now that he has aspirations to be more, he's like, Oh, this isn't great, right? And also, I think, is also like, Oh, now I have to do this, right? Like it seemed fine when it's just like something that Joe does. It's cool. Now that I am bound to this, I don't really like that very much at all. Yeah, now because PIP is still a man of whimsy, right? Because he is, let's not forget, a child. Oh yes, or perhaps early teen at this stage, right? But we're perhaps pre teen. We're not entirely sure, but so the fact that he, like, now is mandated to do blacksmith three he's like, Oh, that's not cool. It's fine and cool to, like, Watch and like, help out here and there, but like, now having to do it as a job all the time, that's a lot less cool than just, like, watching somebody else do right? And I think that does just, I mean, that's basically the exact the next chapter, right? Is, like, the whole thing, like, that's all this is, right? He's just kind of talking about blacksmithing, but he does say it is a most miserable thing to feel ashamed of home. Yeah, right, right. I was thinking this week about this chapter, and, well, I mean, the book up until now, but this chapter, specifically, even though it is one and a half pages long, really, right? When you think about all these people on the news, right? And they like, they decry, like social media right now, they're doing it for the right reason, okay? Like, they're saying, like, oh, like, all this stuff, like social media, like, all this stuff's bad, right? Because, but why? Why is it bad, right? Well, these people are telling you, like, what to do, and then it makes you not feel good about yourself, right? So if we talk about like, I know we've talked on here before, about like, the book, talk people, right? Where, like, very clearly, like, they're not, like some of those people like reading books is not their hobby. It's like, collecting books and like, over consumption is our hobby, right? Like, if you look at Hobby things, right? People that do hobbies online, right? They always do like, hauls and stuff like that, where they're like, Oh, look at all these things I bought to do my hobby. But like, even if your hobby is like coloring, like, bro, you don't need, like, $1,500 worth of stuff to color. You know that, right? You know you can just do it. It's fine. But this is like that the influencer epidemic, right? Like the things that you have aren't good enough, right? You need these things to be better, right? This is the mindset of the internet. This is the mirror that it turns on you, right? Turns out, not a new phenomenon. Look, I because this is exactly what Dickens is writing about right now. Okay, this is what PIP is dealing with. And his book was published in serial form in 1850 Okay, the exact same thing. So don't, don't come at me. I mean, like, oh,

57:59

yeah, oh, this is a brand

Brandon  58:01

new thing that's never happened before. Brilliant.

Speaker 1  58:03

It's all, yeah, it's not social media's thing. This is a human nature thing, yeah, I think this is Amplo

Brandon  58:08

it's amplified it to some extent, right? Yeah, for sure. It made it a more visible problem, and it's brought the problem to new and exciting areas, like coloring guys. Guys, calm down. You can just color your hobby. Your hobby is supposed to be fun. Okay, here's a side note. Okay. Side note, Okay, listen, listen, here's here's Brandon and Collin with the oh brother podcast, the D influencers. This is one of our new goals. Like your hobby is supposed to be fun and you're supposed to like it, yeah, at least a little bit yeah. Like, if you're doing your hobby to like, be Clark Griswold and be better than your neighbor, that's not a hobby anymore, right? So if you want a color,

59:09

do it, yeah, okay, and do it, yes.

Brandon  59:13

Like, don't you don't want anybody to see your hobby, that's cool. If you want us to see your hobby, if you want me and Collin to see it, that's fine. We'll look at it and we'll like it. Yeah, yeah, send it to us. We'll look at it. Will you share with us? We'll be your D influencer, homies, okay? We'll just revel in how happy you were to color or whatever it is you're doing, right? I don't care. Like this. This is insane, right? But again, this like idea that this is like a new phenomenon, and this is like a brand new thing. It's never happened before, bro. It's what Dickens is talking about, right? It's a whole book, right? Is about that so far, right? Granted, we're only on chapter 14, but Right, Pip is mad, and he's very he's become aware of. World outside of his own right. He wants to aspire to escape his little sphere, and he when he encounters people that are not in it, he now feels embarrassed of his station right now. I understand that Dickens is also commenting on like social class structure, okay, I understand that, but that sort of same thing is happening in, like, hobby world and things on the internet and influence land, right? Like, they show this, like, very lavish version of reality, that it's not real, and people don't actually do this. But, like, you know, you can just, you don't need that stuff to do your thing, right? It's fine. It's okay. But that's what this chapter is about, and that's what I was thinking about this week. Like, was this, like, very short chapter in regards to all of those things, and just how interesting it is that, like, like, you said this, this appears to be a human nature problem, not an internet problem, right now, the internet, as we know, makes all aspects of human nature worse, apparently. But like, Yeah, this is not a new phenomenon. Well, because, you know,

Speaker 1  1:01:05

in the with the internet, instead of having one Mrs. Miss Havisham and one Estella, you have hundreds of them looking down on you, telling you that you're doing it wrong and that kind of viewing you as an oddity. And if just one Habersham and one Estella was enough to take PIP from he says here, I had believed in the forge as the glowing road to manhood and independence within a year, with a single year, all this was changed, if it was how much more so in a day where it is amplified, but yet still, it's something that everybody has grappled with, this feeling of discontentment, feeling of being sub to someone else, and feeling like everything else is common, and you need to aspire to more, greater, better, and you need to have bigger, better dreams and aspirations and things around you and your station in life like that is just

Brandon  1:02:05

like, Oh, okay. This is, this is what PIP goes through. This is what everybody goes through

Speaker 1  1:02:17

early in life, later in life, it's sometimes. It's something you go through multiple times. Yeah, right, as you Okay, I got comfortable with myself in high school, and I'm comfortable with who I am and how I'm operating now. I'm in, you know, college, or I'm out working, or I'm out, whatever. Now I have to figure out redefine what I'm comfortable with and who I am in this new perspective. And this is just PIP encountering it in this one little light in his one little area where he was hoping to go, and how that was

Brandon  1:02:47

now ruined for him. Yeah, yeah, completely ruined for him, right? This is weird, like they're talking about singing this song, right? The Forge song with him, right? Yes, and at the very end, right, it says, When the thought of how we used to sing it in Miss havisham's I would would seem to show estella's face in the fire, with her pretty hair fluttering in the wind and her eyes scorning me. Often at such time, I would look towards those panels of black night in the wall which the wooden windows were then were and fancy that I had seen her just drawing her face away. I believe that she had come at last right after that, when we were into supper, and the place in the meal would have been more homely than ever, and I would feel more ashamed of home than ever in my own ungracious breast, right? Like, what? Yeah, oh, it's just, you

Collin Funkhouser  1:03:47

see how everything now is just, everything is consuming. He has nothing that is that is bringing him joy in his home and his work and the people around him and and he's just miserable because

1:04:04

he feels like what he says

Speaker 1  1:04:07

he does. He does Pat himself on the back of that he never talked to Joe about, this that he never brought to Joe how unhappy he was with learning the forge and what he was doing, which is interesting, given how he's talked about how he shouldn't have withheld things from Joe, and he felt guilty about withholding from Joe's and now he's like, Well, I'm just doing this to keep him, keep him better, keep him, keep him happy or whatever. But it just, ah. I just, and he attributes to, like, basically, whatever progress I made, whatever thing I did, it was all because

1:04:55

Joe pulled me through. Is right?

Collin  1:05:00

Like he goes he talks about it is not possible to know how far the influence of any amiable, honest, hard working duty doing man flies out into the world, but it is very possible to know how it has touched one's self in going by. And I know right well that any good that intermixed itself with my apprenticeship cause came of plain contented Joe and not of restlessly aspiring, discontented me.

Brandon  1:05:27

Now he's like, as we've talked about. Here's Joe, plain simple,

Speaker 1  1:05:36

just plain and simple and super like happy and content. And Joe's now feeling like he's on this outside, and he recognizes these things about himself, but

Brandon  1:05:47

he can't help it. Yeah, so it's a rough one. It's rough, yeah? And then chapter 15. There's a lot happening in this chapter, right? Like, I don't know if it was, it was drawn out a bit. You know, all these pages, we could have condensed this slightly. Charles, come on. What are you doing, buddy? But there's a lot happening in this in our final chapter here this week, right? We're getting too big for school, right? The instruction time is, you know, as for mentioned, not going just swimmingly. He is also getting frustrated because, like, whatever he learns in school, like, he's trying to, like, talk to Joe about it, to, like, help Joe. You know he's like, I wanted to make Joe less ignorant and common, that he might be worthier of my society and less open to estella's reproach, right? But Joe doesn't really care. He's like, whatever I never knew you would remember anything from one Sunday to another or to acquire under my tuition, or any piece of information whatsoever. Joe's just like, he's like, he's like, accepted. Like, he's like, he's, Joe is like, fine with who he is, right? Like, you're saying really, like, you know, like, overall, like, he's fine. He's like, whatever. I don't care. Okay, this appeal thing,

Speaker 1  1:07:20

he's just, he's just doing this for PIP, right?

Brandon  1:07:24

Like, yeah, he's just trying to listen and be hopeful and, you know, blah, blah. But, like, he's so overcome with all of this that he wants, like, hey, you know, maybe I could take half a day off, right? Like, he wants to take half a day off of work, right? Because he wants to go and talk to Miss habership. And Joe's like, uh, you can't do that because she said, No, no. He's like, no, no, I just want to, like, see her, and I saw, you know, let her know that I'm okay. She's going,

Speaker 1  1:07:57

well, right? Yeah, too. Like, I never got a chance to thank guys.

Brandon  1:08:01

Like, totally, thank you. Yeah, and Joe's like, okay, fine, I guess, whatever. But then right, get this awkward interaction here. There's this other dude that's working with Joe, whose name is or Orlick. Orlick is a terrible name, and so, like, Pip, because PIP doesn't know about, you know, doesn't know about being subtle. He's like, Yo Joe, remember, I'm taking half day off tomorrow, right? You good? And Joe's like, yeah. And this dude is like, hey, alright, so you get to take half day off tomorrow? Or Joe's like, shut up, because he asked me. And he's like, hey, well, that's not fair. If he gets half day maybe I should have a half day off tomorrow. And he's like, Well, you can have a half day off some other days. Like, no, I want it to be tomorrow. And he's just like, real stubborn and like, a jerk about the whole thing. And so it was just like, I'm whatever everyone takes a half day tomorrow. I don't care. Shut up. Go, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1  1:09:11

I will say, to make matters worse, his name is dolge Orlick, yeah. It's like, these are not, not, not pleasant to even pronounce, not pleasant at all. Right?

Brandon  1:09:23

This guy kind of give me bad vibes, right? Like, I don't know, but anyway, that's basically I just summed up, like four pages of this chapter for you. So there you go. Listeners, so he does like, so PIP does? He walks to town, right? He's, all you know, nervous about going to see Mitch Habersham and or, you know, we know why he's really nervous. He goes up there. He now, I passed in. Repass the gate many times before I could make up my mind to ring, nor how I debated whether I should go away without ringing, or how I should undoubtedly have gone in my time if had not been my own to come back right so he, like, doesn't want to knock on the door. He's, like, nervous and afraid to knock on the door. And he finally does it, and Miss pocket comes to the gate. No Estella, sad face, right? She's like, Well, what do you want? He's like, I just want to come see Miss Havisham, you know? And she really kind of, like, thinks about it, like, okay,

Speaker 1  1:10:41

her first question is, like, basically, like, Why? Why? Why are you here? Like, what is going Yeah, yeah.

Brandon  1:10:49

And he's like, I don't say hi, right? So we go inside. Everything was unchanged. Docker, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. I hope you want nothing. You'll get nothing. No, indeed, Miss Havisham, I only wanted you to know that I am doing very well in my apprenticeship, and I'm always much obliged to you, right? And then she's like, Nah, all right. Well, come come back on your birthday, right? She cried suddenly, turning herself into her chair towards me, and she knows why he's really here, you're looking for Estella. He's like, Well, you know, he's like, I'll, you know, I came to see you. But also her, I guess maybe, like a little bit, it turns out, she's abroad studying

1:11:44

hoity toity, fancy schmancy.

Brandon  1:11:46

She's studying abroad, right? And Miss Havisham turns around and says, Do you feel that you have lost her? There was such a malignant enjoyment in her utterance of the last words that she broke into such a disagreeable laugh that I was at a loss of what to say. She spared me the trouble of considering by dismissing me. Yeah. Oh, so Miss Havisham. Is she kind of is She's a villain, right? She is because she was wrong, right? And has decided to force herself to be miserable. She likes it when other people are also miserable, right? Because, as they say, Misery loves company, right? I heard that somewhere. And so, yes, yes. So he was and then again, it's very weird, like just passing the time, basically, the next like, if you're playing a video game, the next little bit could just be fixed by clicking the wait button and you just wait around for a few hours. Like he's just like wandering around the street, and he sees Mr. Wopsle, who has a book, right? And Mr. Wopsle wants to, like, share and talk about the book. So he's just like, you should come and he's like, okay, whatever. That's fine. I got nothing else to do, so might as well. So he's being dragged around by Mr. Wopsle, and you know, pumblechook is also there. They're talking about this whole thing, and it's all a bit over Pip's head. And he's really, you know, he's just kind of there suffering the them reading and talking and, you know, whatever. But they decide to start going home. And he walks home with Minister wopsle, right? And they see this Orlick fella right, walking about, and he says it's really weird. He remarks that he like appears drunk, but he's like, not, right, you know? But then right, we have some all of a sudden, it just hots up like all crazy. He's like, the by the by the guns that are going again, right? Yeah, the at the Hulks, said, I there are some birds flown from the cages, and the guns have been going since dark about you'll hear one present. So they start hearing the cannons, because more people have escaped the ships. Right? They go. They're walking into the town, and blah, blah. And they see that the three Jolly bargemen, the pub thing is in all of commotion, right? All the lights are on. Doors are wide open. This is weird, because it's like 11 o'clock at night, right? So this is a very odd thing to be doing, yep, and there's something wrong up at the house, up at your place. Pip run, yeah. They Mr. Wopsle, like, pops in to ask, like, what is all this commotion about? What's happening? And they run up there, and we see that the house seems to have been violently entered when Joe was out, supposed by convicts, somebody has been attacked and hurt. Well, I wonder who that could be, right? We were running too fast to admit of more being said, and made no stop until we got to the kitchen. It was full of people, and the whole village was there or in our yard, and there was a surgeon, and there was Joe, and there was a group of women all on the floor in the midst of the kitchen. The unemployed bystanders drew back when they saw me, and so I became aware of my sister lying without sense or movement on the bare boards where she had been knocked down by tremendous blow to the back of her head dealt by some unknown hand, where her face was turned towards the fire, destined never to be on the rampage again while she was the wife of Joe. So murdered, likely here, right? Murder most foul in hands by allegedly an escaped convict, right? I think it was Orlick. God gives me creepy vibes already. I don't know if it did or not, but that guy came out of nowhere, and he seems like a fiend, because his name is Orlick, and so based solely on name profiling,

Speaker 1  1:16:54

don't forget. Didn't he didn't. Whenever he was in the when he they were having that scuffle about whether to have the time off or not, didn't, wasn't there, didn't he attack PIP with, like, a stoke from the fire and and, and she came out to, like, scold him or something.

Brandon  1:17:14

Yeah, they got into a bit of a kerfuffle a couple chapters ago.

Speaker 1  1:17:18

Yeah, and Joe had to, like, come and defend his wife, against some words that, all, yeah, saying so.

Brandon  1:17:26

And also he was just, like, on the road and, like, walking aimlessly, but like, yeah. But he was, like, kind of coming from town. But also he knew about the sound of the guns we're making. So you could only know that if you were in town. So, like, what? Yeah, are you doing? Like, was he fleeing? And there was, like, Oh no, I'm totally coming back right now. I'm doing, like, nothing nefarious here. Guys surely don't worry. Yeah. So, yeah, I think it was him. We'll find out. But, yeah, holy monkey wrench Batman. This is a kind of a problem. Yeah, we got ourselves a murder mystery. A murder mystery, right? Maybe this is why. It's why Dickens never bothered to give her name, because he knew he was just gonna kill her off. He's like, I don't need to bother this person. I don't need to name the only the third woman in this book, like the sister

1:18:36

of the protagonist. It's fine, yeah. Don't worry about it. We have

Brandon  1:18:39

two named women in this book. Can't have a third dance. They charge you, yeah? If you charge X ray, yeah, because, you know, Dickens was totally nice to all women. Wait, hold on. Wait a minute.

1:18:55

So that's not what I was expecting to happen at the end of this chapter.

Brandon  1:18:59

I know because it was just sort of rambling on and blah blah blah, like it does, right? That's also how this book goes. Like, rambly, rambly, rambly, blah blah blah, nothing is happening a major event like, next time for, oh, that's nice. Same bat time. Same bat channel. Like, right? So we have ourselves here, what we call the biz a cliffhanger. Yeah, he's very good at this, right? He's very good at this. So again, again, this is part of the serialization of this novel. But, yeah, we do now have a murder mystery, so we'll see what becomes of that. I have no idea. Like you said, I was not expecting sister murder. That is not what I was expecting out of this. Just kind of like the based on the progression of the story and how things were going and pips talking about, like. Are, like, unsure of his place and station and society and his social circles and his he wants upward mobility. And I was not expecting just dead sister all of a sudden. So, yeah, nobody, yep. I'm very Yeah, this I

Speaker 1  1:20:17

now I'm like, Okay, well, I don't know. I don't know how this plays into the broader ARC of this, unless this is his, you know, the ascent to growing up,

Brandon  1:20:30

or what, I mean, yeah, this has to be, it clearly has to be some of the catalyst for something to happen. Yeah, right, like he's got to be, for better or worse. I mean, yes, yes, I didn't say something good. Obviously, just a thing is now going to happen, yeah, because of this. So we will see what that thing is right next time.

Brandon  1:20:58

So if you have no other closing thoughts, I do have

Speaker 1  1:21:02

a haiku. I mean out on murder. So No, I'm good, good, all right,

Brandon  1:21:10

I would like Haiku, haiku not about murder. There you go. Back face. Here.

Brandon  1:21:23

The hunt for treasure on dusty, forgotten shelves waiting to be found. Yes, yes, what I forgot to tell you about the great antique present search was I'd gone through the whole entire store and not really discovered anything. And then I went into the last room. The last room has the most random stuff in it, yes, and I thought, I thought to myself as I was walking through the door, was like this room, this room shall be my room. Requirement. What I need is in here and low.

1:22:11

Yes,

Speaker 1  1:22:20

that's perfect. That's no, that's exactly what the weird,

Brandon  1:22:27

yeah, and it's like the back room, and it's like, it's definitely like the least, one of the least curating spaces in the whole place, like just random stuff everywhere, this, this is what I need. Gotta save it for last all the time, just, you know, perfect,

Speaker 1  1:22:45

and and scene, yes, that's great. Glad you found it and it was your requirement. Was there you could take it. So that's all right, perfect. Well, good, okay. Well, we will trudge on. And this is, this is, this is not to look the content we do. Oh, yeah, true. The content we do is evergreen. Every now and then we pop out and we talk to you, you dear listener, and we talk about things going on in time. And when we're saying, this is our last recording of 2025 Yeah, most likely, unless, or at least last

Brandon  1:23:26

episode. Yes, this episode,

Speaker 1  1:23:29

because it is. It's good, crazy. I cannot believe it, and so we will, we will see what 2026 holds. Yes, you know what more Dickens, and we can at

Brandon  1:23:42

least say that has more Dickens. That's true. Yes, there will be more Dickens coming soon. Stay tuned.

Speaker 1  1:23:52

Can't wait, okay, well, until then, we'll do this next time. All right, okay, love you.