cheese was the real treasure all along
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That’s not the marketing
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SUMMARY KEYWORDS
cat emergency, cat medication, force pilling, indoor rabbitry, air filtration, sleep system, mouth tape, nose strip, cheese, Treasure Island, Captain Silver, mutiny, pirate attack, stockade, loopholes
SPEAKERS
Collin, Brandon
Collin 00:04
Foreign Welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, cheese was the real treasure all along.
Speaker 1 00:17
Ahoy. Ahoy. Wow. Oh, sorry, wow, that is very loud. Hold on. I didn't mean to be that loud.
Collin 00:26
Goodness, too much gusto. Back off. The
00:29
normal amount of ahoy.
Collin 00:35
Knobs are all out of place. Oh, no. Why are you going fiddling with the knobs. It's weird. I don't know i i There are times where I'm like, I don't know. I just do things. How do they work? You don't touch something. For years, I started to have this so I'm in my mobile recording area, where, in our in my home office, like that is not a portable unit. It does not move. Nari hasn't been touched. But as of late, I'm like, is it softer? I think things are softer here now, and I'm starting to worry that it's going out now. I've had that piece of equipment for six years, and I'm pretty sure it's always had power to it, so that's probably not good. It's supposed to be recording equipment, right? It's supposed to be okay, I don't know, but so I'm on my mobile stuff, and I had to futz with it recently, and now I'm, yeah, okay, okay. Anyway, hi, hi. Back to the program. How was the cat emergency? Oh, man, well, so you know, it's one of those things where you go, okay, great. Your cat needs medicine. How do you give your cat medicine? And they go, Oh, well, what I do is I just, I just take the pill, I put it in the palm of my hand, and I'll place like two or three treats around it, and I'll just offer it to the cat, and they'll take it and they go. So when they don't do
Brandon 02:25
that, what's the next plan? What's the backup plan? Yeah, did the cats like peanut butter? Is that cats like yogurt? You have
Collin 02:36
to be so super sneaky with this. So then they're like, then there's a pause, and they go, um, I don't, I don't know, I guess, um, and you go, okay. So then it's like, Okay, let me give you three or four different options that we can try and then, like, sure. Do those. I'm like, Okay, now sitting way over here on the very far side, is the one thing that we want to try and avoid at all costs, which is
03:08
force pilling cats. Oh yeah, I know they don't like that.
Collin 03:12
Nobody wants to do this. So I'm like, we've got to stair step our way to this. So sure we'll try the treats out of the palm of her hand. Then what I'm going to do is I'm going to, yes, try and put it in like a yogurt, something lickable. The next step is I'm going to be grinding the pill and patellarizing it very fine to then put it in like a paste to mix with a wet food, or like a churro or something like that. Then I can start, like, if you really wanted to, then go, what sometimes people do is, okay, I need to find some tuna juice, and I'll suck it up in a syringe, and then I'll liquefy this, and I'll make basically an oral drop out of this. But you have to be really careful, because not every pill can have this done to it and have it actually have its full effect. I
Brandon 03:59
was gonna say, yeah, that doesn't that compromise the potency of some
Collin 04:04
medications, right? So you've got to ask, like, what is this? Can
Brandon 04:09
you cats? You weren't prepared for this when you domesticated yourselves. You weren't prepared for what was happening. No,
Collin 04:18
for this. You see,
Brandon 04:20
that's come on cats, what are you doing
Collin 04:23
now this, I know they just, just go back, right? So for this particular cat, it's not one medication, it's not two medications, it's three medications. And what the client has, what the client has done very, very intelligently, is they buy their own little capsules, and then they cut the little pills. The pills are super tiny to get the right dosage for the cat. So they cut them small, then they put them in the little pill, the little capsule, seal the capsule, and then that's what the cat is supposed to eat. It's one capsule, but three different medications. You. And you need to get, once a day, the cat has basically congestive heart failure and high blood pressure, so it's kind of necessary. And I'm like, Look, it's smart, like you have to make sure the cat gets the dosage. You can't just leave it out in wet food, because you also have, oh yeah, another cat there.
05:19
So yeah, that would be right.
Collin 05:21
So I have to make sure this cat and trying to medicate a cat with three different pills across three different things. That's never happening. So my employee Did the thing and went through the tree and was like, I can't get this cat to take it. I'm like, okay, so I went over and I kind of did a similar thing, and was like, Nope, okay, well, we're going to kill a cat. So you get a blank sentence, right? Get a blankie. You approach the cat from behind, if it will allow you, you throw the blankie on top of the cat, and then you're doing this all on the ground, on a on a firm surface, not on a slippery surface. No slippery surfaces. Here people on carpet or a rug, or even on a couch or a sofa, something like that, or in their own bed. I don't recommend the bed, because they need a safe space, whatever. So you cover the cat, then you come around it, and you basically, like, cocoon it with your body, and then with what I like to do is I will get the very tip of my finger wet so that the pill will stay adhesed to my finger. And then you take your other hand, you pry open the the jaws with your finger right back, yeah, of terror, and you try and wedge your finger way back at the joint, at least. That's what I like to do, like, get as far back as possible, and then you pop the pill in. And you have to make sure that your your finger. You can't just pop it in, like, as the tip of the tongue. You have to go, like, way for a piece back. Then you re you extract everything as quickly as possible, of your fingers so they come out still attached in one piece. Yeah, right. Then you hold the mouth shut, and then you massage their neck, you massage their neck, and you hold their mouth shut and you massage their neck. And then, good grief, once you think it's okay, you let them go, and then you provide lots of treats to them. Now all the treats come out, and you're showering with the treats and lots of praise. And, yeah, it wasn't that, not terrible. And that's what you have to do. That's how you pill a cat. And some cats are fine, you know, like, I think it's the fact that with the cat you have to use your whole body, like, sometimes you have to, like, force pill a dog, you can, kind of, it's, it's large enough where you can, just like, you know, poke it in, or whatever the cats. It's so small, and all the teeth are razor sharp. So it's like, you don't have a purchase with your fingers at all. Everything is binding and snap. Everything is touching. So you just, you don't want to do this. You want to try and use non invasive things. And what's fascinating then is we took on a brand new, brand new client who's basically like, Oh no, you've got a force Pell, my cat every time you have to give it a medication. And I'm like,
08:20
Cool, cool, or hear me out.
Collin 08:26
But I did pill that cat tonight, and it was like, the chillest cat about life entirely, like at all, like it was, I didn't even have to smother the cat. I just kind of walked up to it. And it was like, hey, it knew the drill. So, yeah, it was, that was, that was the cat, catmergency. Cat meowgency, I think, is what I was trying to say there. But very nice, yeah. And then, and then I went to a visit where I have encountered a new phrase that I have never encountered for with with with pets before we are taking care of somebody with a rabbit room. I'm sorry, what? Yeah. Now, imagine, now, imagine you live in
Brandon 09:14
inside, not like a hutch, not like an out of door rabbit experience, like indoor rabbitry.
Collin 09:22
This is an indoor rabbitry. Imagine you have a house that has like, nine bedrooms, and one of those is supposed to be the office that's off of the main living area next to the front door. I don't know if you've seen this layout where, like, you come into a big house and then on the left is like the office with the swinging glass doors, okay? And then there's the living area over on the right. You can switch left and right audience. Use your imagination with those trying to but instead of office, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a bunny office. I guess it's an office for bunnies, but, yeah, they're hutches. Are in there. They are free roam in there, all like, all the time, and we've got a chance it was like, That is okay, that's the rabbit room.
Brandon 10:15
How bad does the rabbit room smell now, really? Yeah, well, I'm concerned about writing here, because remits,
Collin 10:23
while cute, not
Brandon 10:27
full of wonderful aromas, right? Usually,
Collin 10:31
yeah. Well, now imagine they have their own air filter in the room. Every morning, all of the bedding gets changed out for them, and that is also vacuumed. The room is vacuumed twice a day. This is really
Brandon 10:53
this is too much late stage capitalism for me right now, right like every morning the rabbits are bedding is changed and they have a bespoke air filtration system just for the Revver. You know what solves this, putting your rabbits outside like a normal,
Collin 11:16
yeah, yeah.
Brandon 11:19
This is a lot, oh my goodness, yeah,
Collin 11:23
yeah. So it's, it is definitely a lot, like, and there's, like, there are pee pads involved, like, there are liners of the bedding that you then swap out. And, like, it's, it's, it is a full on production. And I, I just, I was a little, I'm a little amazed at this, to be perfectly honest. So that's what's a lot? Yeah, no, it is. It is a lot. But the least, the least thing, crazy thing, is their koi pond out front where it's like, okay, I can, I can feed fish. I can feed three pinches of food. It's good Koi, yeah, it's basically what I did. I went, Yeah, yeah. There you go. Enjoy, enjoy fishies. There you go. So that, yeah, so there's, like, there's like, 1234, hay feeders for the rabbits, three different hutches inside, two air filters. Their own, their own, like there's the there's the, okay, so they have a, they have a vacuum cleaner specifically to the rabbit room. So it's the rabbit room vacuum cleaner. And it's not like a, it's not like a, like a tertiary vacuum. This was they went out and bought a specific vacuum for a very nice vacuum for the rabbits.
Brandon 12:53
Oh, my. They also, every read the rabbit room has the Dyson
Collin 12:58
well, then they also have a dedicated vacuum for the cat for the cat room, which is downstairs, so that you vacuum up the cat litter and the messes that they make there with the dedicated vacuum for the cat room as well. So there's the house vacuum, rabbit vacuum, there's the cat vacuum, and then they have also the wall vacuums where you shove into the wall, so that's the other vacuum you have. I was like,
13:26
oh my, wow, yeah.
Collin 13:29
When I got the notes and and there were three lines to describe all of the vacuums that we would be using, I was going, okay, okay. This is, this is what makes this visit complicated, is it's nice, right? It's nice that you don't have to lug something all around, but it's going no this. This vacuum cannot be the cat. Vacuum is not for the rabbit vacuum in area. Don't do that. And the house vacuum cannot touch any of them, and so you have to keep everything separated and have their own little totes for everything. And how it's organized, at least it's organized. That's what I'll say. At least it's organized. It's just very overwhelming walking into the
Speaker 1 14:12
walking that's a lot. That's the
Collin 14:16
easiest part about this is walking over to the soaker system for the plants outside, and you'd open the valve when you start the visit, and then when you leave, you shut the valve. That's the easiest part of this entire thing. Wow sir.
Brandon 14:32
Wowzers. Okay, well, Meg,
Collin 14:37
so there's, there's that I don't know, what else, what else? What are the questions you got?
Brandon 14:47
Well, nothing about that, but I do think it's been a while I need, we need to the Collin sleep update, sleep system update, right? That's what we
Collin 14:56
Yes, yes. So I. Will say that the no strip is probably the best enhancement that I've made. So if listeners will long remember, maybe they don't. I made three changes pretty simultaneously. I got a new pillow. I got a no strip, like hard plastic thing that makes my nostrils inflate, makes their branding. I did see another ad for them. I'm like, No, you sold past the clothes here. You don't need to show me this. Again, I've bought this. But it says increase. It makes your nose twice as wide, or something like that. Like, increases it twice the size. And, like, that's a weird stat. It makes me really uncomfortable. Don't say, yeah, that is still, again, like, say, increases airway capacity by two. That's good, yeah, don't like it makes your nose twice as big. That's that's not the marketing people. That's not the marketing. And then I got, that's a weird, what a weird phrase, I know. And then I got mouth tape, and the pillow is fine. I did. I will say it took my body a little while to adjust to it, and I was not expecting this. I actually woke up with neck pain a couple days after first couple days of using it, and I think it was because was actually putting my neck where it was supposed to be, because since then, I haven't had this. Ah, yes, right. Like, and it wasn't like, like, with some stretching and stuff. It was like, Oh, I'm my neck is actually in alignment. It wasn't in alignment before. This feels better. Now. This is helping. The nose strips are doing their thing. The one thing that has not stuck is the mouth tape. And
16:42
I'm, like, unintended,
Collin 16:45
literally, and I'm fine with this here two things. One, like, I don't have much of a mustache. Like, it's just enough to be kind of visible. It is also just enough to prevent adhesive for long periods of time. Now this is good. If I ever get abducted, I will know true. I will just wait it out, and it will fall off eventually. But the other thing is, I yawn a lot, like a lot, a lot, and I know that that's not always like I've learned that that's not a your tired thing. It's a sometimes your body is starved for oxygen because of your shallow breathing, and you're not breathing with your stomach. Okay, cool. But when I wake up at one in the morning, kind of feeling like I'm suffocating and I can't, like, yawn and get air that I can't I can't wear the tape. I can't wear it. I can go to sleep with it, fine, but I have to, like, really ignore the tape, really ignore it. But then when I wake up a little bit later and I'm needing to yawn, and I can't, like, open my mouth, even though my lips are parted, and I know in my brain that enough air will get through, because it's not like the like, big
18:10
woof of air, yeah, my
Collin 18:12
body, my little like, my lizard brain is going you are dying
18:18
like You are sad,
Collin 18:19
like you must escape at all costs. So rip it off. And then what's really unfortunate is I fall back asleep, and for whatever, it's in my hand. Okay, so it's in my hand. I've ripped it off, and then I put my hands down by my sides, and I put my hands by my legs, and so I now open up with it like on my inner thigh, and nice. While it was not sticky enough to stick to my very faint mustache, it is very it is still very sticky and painful to rip off of your inner thigh in the morning the next day when you wake up and you find it there. So the the mouth tape is, I think it's a good idea, and so I'm, I'm toying with the idea. I still have several pieces to go through, and I don't know if I would just want to finish it out and then find a different mouth tape and start playing around with brands or sizes,
Brandon 19:19
that kind of stuff, or if it's even worth the or if
Collin 19:23
it's the effort to go through this. But I have noticed, like when I did what's what is frustrating is there was, there are a couple nights where I can successfully make it through the night with all three in place. And I have a an app on my phone that I you, I leave running, and it will count the snores per hour of what you what you do. Horrifying metric, yeah, true, true when it's like, yeah, you, You snored. You. 330 times per hour last night. You know, yes, that's not a good number. Like, No, I, I just need to see that Bad News Bears. What that is, yeah, you will, you will, yeah, with all three in place, though, it was like 100 so I was like, well, that's, that
20:19
is an improvement
Collin 20:20
difference. Like, yeah, big thing. The problem is, is just that, does the tape stay on, right? That's, that's the, that's the hard part. And so without the tape, it is, like, actually, it's, actually, it kind of goes back up. What does go back up? Quite a bit. So it's, that's, it's been interesting walking, walking through that. It's also, also the nose stuff, that little band. I don't have a good I have yet to develop a good routine with that. So tracking down the nose band at nighttime can be kind of hard, because I don't It's not like, I wake up and then I immediately take it off and put it by my bed. It's like, I wake up. I go about the day, I'm getting breakfast and coffee, we're starting school stuff we're doing this time, like, and then sometimes it comes off and it doesn't, I don't, I don't put it in the right place, at the same place every time.
Brandon 21:22
So that's not a great habit for a thing so small, right? It's not necessarily
21:30
a great plan, no,
Collin 21:32
like, I don't recommend this. This is not, I'm not. This is not an endorsement of my technical This is me admonishing myself for my poor, poor planning on this matter. And so that's been the other part too. Like, Oh man, it's bedtime. Where's the nose? Also, placement of the little pads on your nose, the high degree of variability that I have with this, it is not, I am not a surgeon, right? Yeah. And I will think, ah, that is the exact spot that I just got last night. And then I'm like, perfect. And then I'll put it on and I'll be, it'll be like, that is completely different. That is miles
22:25
away. Is
Collin 22:29
this even working? Why can't I make like? Then I started like, trying to figure out, can I make it? Can I shove it over to the left a little bit and just so that that too, of like, you only get one shot to apply, because as soon as you peel it off, like you can't, re stick it. So that's that's been, like you can, but it will come off eventually. So like, well, one stick, but my goodness, then I'm like, Oh, can't I just like that. That also drives me insane, is trying to get it back and remember, like, I think I was like, I think I need to start taking a picture of where I place these and then, and then writing a review about that placement, so I can try and hone in on, like, optimal placement. But just I'm also kind of slap dash it sometimes, and just
Brandon 23:23
like, put a little.on your nose with, like, a Sharpie, right? Like it goes, here
Collin 23:29
surgeons do to mark which knee you're supposed to cut off.
23:34
Yeah, goes there.
Collin 23:38
You do that. I should, I should start doing that. Get a permanent, get a tattoo there. That's what I should do. I just get a little tattoo dog, yeah, I feel like
Brandon 23:47
maybe that might be a bit tiny, far down in the trail here,
Speaker 1 23:53
but, you know, Oh, time
Collin 24:10
are you? Are you fully recovered from your excursion? Are you back in the right time zone? Yet,
24:15
I don't know, my
24:17
body is like, kind of grumpy with
Brandon 24:21
me sometimes, because it'll be like, No, we're waking up right now. I'm like, but this is six o'clock. Why are we? No, that's not what we're doing right now. Like, I don't think so. Full disclosure, listeners, this is only, like, two days after the last time we recorded. So like, it's, it's not like it's, I don't want to say something hyper wrong with me, like it's like lagging forever and ever. No, but it's still kind of like, like last night, I felt like I didn't sleep very well, even though I went to bed like, early for me,
Collin 24:58
I still woke up like I. Uh, way early, and it's like,
Brandon 25:01
we're My body's like, No, we're getting it up. Like, why do we really need to do that? I don't think, I think that's true, so I'm not entirely sure about that. Think we're slowly coming back. I am entirely unmotivated to do anything. However, I have, like, done laundry and stuff like that, right? So we're ready to go. But, like, I think that
Collin 25:28
sort of
Brandon 25:30
like epic exhaustion, slash body trying to figure out what time zone it's in, slash 200 degrees outside, has made me extremely unmotivated to do anything. I'm like, No, I'm not going out there. Like, you took the trash out yesterday and was like, Oh no, this nope, going back inside. This is for the birds. Oh
Collin 25:59
yeah. We've had that. It's been hard because we've just wanted to stay inside with all of our wind, blinds shut and like, no fan
Brandon 26:12
don't let any heat in here, like, even from light bulbs, like nothing, like no, I can't,
Collin 26:21
yeah, bad, absolutely. And then I'm like, we have not left the house today. And I go, Meg will say, you know, we haven't, like, left the house today. And I go, Yeah, for good reason. We'll die out there. Like, it's not okay,
Brandon 26:36
yeah, it's too hot. That's gross. I don't want to do that. So yeah, that has also made it very unmotivating to, like, do stuff. There's been, like, sitting, you don't mean so that might also be part of the problem, but like, I don't want to go do a thing outside, like, I took the trash out, did, had to dispatch that. We had a bit of a giant spider situation on the porch. After it came back, there was like a massive spider web out on the sidewalk. And there was definitely, like a big fat black widow spider. Oh, it was definitely like laying eggs on things or like,
27:22
oof, yeah, that can't stay here.
Collin 27:29
You gotta go,
Brandon 27:30
yeah. Like, sorry buddy, but uh, no, yeah. So I had to deal with that, that life. Like, no, yeah. So that was, uh, that was the the extent of the excitement that I've had. Oh, really. So, yeah, extend, yeah, spiders, I've done too much
Speaker 3 27:55
really. So, yeah, just been kind of recovering, trying to figure out how things work.
Collin 28:05
You know, that's pretty much it, right?
Brandon 28:08
Except for, of course, discovering the sea shanty of the week. Ah, I've been doing that. Ha, if you are interested in a segue, in a bit of a segue here, okay,
Collin 28:20
now, I decided this week to really, you know, pull
Brandon 28:29
two worlds together here. Oh, and I found for you a Norwegian seashell,
Speaker 1 28:37
okay, oh, yeah,
Brandon 28:43
whose name I can only hope to pronounce correctly. But I have just sent it to you and saying, now I don't really have as much information about this as I have the other ones,
Speaker 3 28:54
because, you know, it's Norwegian, and so I don't really know about age or,
Brandon 29:02
you know, whatever. But it does seem to appear in at least one
Collin 29:07
older primary source. So it's called
Brandon 29:13
Thriller zanti. I don't think I pronounce that right. That doesn't sound very Norwegian. Anyway, it is performed by like, a modern, like, choral arrangement group, right? But the translation and the lyrics is rather hilarious, right? Like, it's about, like a guy who's singing about his wife, and, like, how much he misses her, and I guess she's like, died, but that's okay, because she was actually awful and looking forward to dating this other girl instead. It's like, very weird song, like, oh yeah, she died. But also she was horribly mean. But
Collin 30:03
anyway, goodness,
Brandon 30:08
it's like a it's like a joke song, I guess, but like, it's kind of funny, and it's very upbeat and in Norwegian. So I thought maybe we'll cross reference there the ccnt. We come see you via Norway this time. Hey, look at there.
Collin 30:24
Absolutely perfect. Yes, I like this. Yeah, I was just trying to listen to a little bit of it while you were talking. And,
Brandon 30:32
yeah, it's pretty boisterous. Yeah, shanty, very shanty, you know. So count it.
Collin 30:39
One does. Will count
30:41
it right.
30:52
Well,
Collin 30:54
on onto
30:56
chapters. Yes, I was trying to open my book here, which would be traumatic,
31:03
like fumbling with things, yeah, yeah. So
Collin 31:07
if we think about where
Brandon 31:09
we left off, right, we were, we did have a interlude, right? We had chapters from the doctor. Was it the doctor? Right? Yep, the doctor was not Jim, right? It was not, yes, the narrative continued by the doctor, right? So, like, we had this weird interlude where it was like, Oh, by the way, here's what's happening in the meantime, right? So now we're back with old Jimbo. Here we have the narrative resumed by Jim Hawkins, the garrison in the stockade, right? And so we were having some like these. Two events were happening simultaneously, right? The doctor, the captain in the Squire and CO were like, escaping the ship right while Jim was off discovering that Ben Gunn existed, right? This very strange person right on the island, right? So they're like, they're running back there. And basically, Ben's like, oh, no, that's got to be your friends. And he's like, Well, how do you know? He's like, Well, because that's, that's the English flag, duh. Like, pirates wouldn't fly that silly. Clearly, that's your homies over there. So you gotta go, Yeah, I
Collin 32:41
like that, yeah, yeah. And Ben is also like, he's trying to, like, is he trying to be, like, super, Uber, like, secretive here, or is he just unable to communicate with,
Brandon 32:57
I think he's unable to communicate with another person, right? And because, yeah, some he's talking, and he's not necessarily making sense, right? We get the feeling that Jim is like, okay, buddy, whatever you say.
Collin 33:13
And he actually, at this point, Jim actually says, I think I understand what you're saying is, you want me to go do this and do this and this, right? Yes. He's like, yes, yes, that yeah, because it's like, what so the gym,
Brandon 33:37
like, just kind of stands around and watches for a while. Like, he doesn't, like, go right over there, because there's like, things happening right and and Ben is telling him stuff, and he's like, I can't, what does he tell him? Like, yeah, he's he's like, giving him this thing. He's like, you can tell you know you can count on me. And again, he's like, make sure that you tell them
Collin 34:03
exactly this. And he's okay, sure.
Brandon 34:09
And and then he like, you know, goes away. And so Jim is a kind of sitting out the part where they're shelling the fort right, which, you know, fair you don't want to make sense, run up to the fort while we're shelling it. We did learn from Ben here that this fort was, of course, bit built by old Flint itself. Mm, hmm, of course, of course, obviously. Right. So, there you go. So he goes back, he joins, joins, and he's like, Hey guys, it's me, Jim. I'm back. Whoo,
Collin 34:50
yes, definitely. He definitely cuts from like his conversation with Jim to like. And then I talked to and then I rejoined them. And now I. He gives a more detailed description of the cabin at this point too, or the stockade, whatever it is, yes,
Brandon 35:09
and is this where? Yeah? He Yeah. So he kind of does this. He talks about them, and he,
Collin 35:14
he kind of is explaining Ben to them. And he's like,
Brandon 35:24
he's like, I don't know, sir, he's talking to the doctor, right? And he's like, after they get reacquainted, and they kind of figure out what's going on, there's this exchange that is very funny as here, where he's like, so,
Collin 35:37
um, is this Ben
Brandon 35:40
Gunn, a man. He's like, I don't know, sir, I'm not sure whether he is sane. He's like, right? Well, if there's any doubt about the matter, he is return the doctor, a man who has been three years biting his nails on the deserted island. Can't expect to appear as sane as you or me, right? It doesn't lie in human nature. So at least the doctor is also sort of understanding, like, Jim is very confused by this guy, and he does sound kind of weird, but
Collin 36:13
the doctor is at least like, I mean, that's kind of to be
Brandon 36:16
expected, right? Like he's been alone on the island all by himself for at least three years.
Collin 36:21
So I think, but you, you cut the next
36:28
show, I wasn't, I would come back that,
Collin 36:31
sorry the most Yes, so yes, I will say that yes, the doctor is very much like, okay, yeah, he sounds a little crazy, but I don't think that's necessarily bad. It's very sound like, it's very like you said, predictable and understandable, that he is so kind of not to worry, not to worry, kind of, yeah, yeah.
Brandon 36:52
But then yes, like, very, the strangest inextric. I was not expecting this at all. I was whole cow, yeah. He was like, speaking of human nature, right? Yeah, the other thing that binds all humans together, was it cheese? You said he had a fancy for Yes sir, cheese. I answered
Collin 37:20
this. This next several sentences, is the
37:25
most ridiculous thing
Collin 37:28
I think I've ever read anywhere.
37:33
Okay, I here's where,
37:36
God i i have never read anything
Brandon 37:42
as jarring as this, right? Like it's comes out of nowhere. Yes, this is the most like, I don't even know what literary device this is. This is like, Deus Ex macaroni. Like, I don't even know what's
Collin 38:00
happening here. He's like, says, Well, Jim says, he just see the good that
Brandon 38:10
comes from being dainty in your food. You've seen my snuff box, haven't you, and you never saw me take snuff the reason being that in my stuff box I carry a piece of Parmesan cheese, cheese made in Italy, very new chesses, nutritious. Well, that's for Ben gun.
Collin 38:35
Excuse me. You what? Just scary piece of cheese, parmesan cheese.
Collin 38:52
Yeah, I was like snuff box cheese.
Brandon 39:00
We all, you know, you know, Parmesan is a hard cheese, right? Stays good for a long time. You know, like tropical island, snuffbox, parmesan,
Collin 39:13
not really, all the things you could put in your cheese, sorry, in your stuff box, like a piece of Parmesan cheese. Like, what I don't know, I really want
Brandon 39:27
to know, honk and sticker in there, carrying around, just in case you meet a crazy Island guy who's been dreaming of cheese for three years, two years, which, again, this is, I think I feel like this is
Speaker 3 39:46
Robert Louis Stevenson's ultimate comment on human nature, right, when removed from society, right? What do you want? Like, what
Brandon 39:58
is? What. One of society's biggest advantages and inventions is cheese, obviously, right?
Collin 40:08
It makes total sense. This
Brandon 40:12
is the truth there's there's truth in the cheese, right? I feel like this is the philosophical connection that we can make here, right? Humans need cheese. I think that's what we've learned. I think that's what we've learned here today. And just so happens the doctor has some harvest,
Collin 40:35
oh my gosh. Like, next thing, you know, it's just be, it'll just be an episode about to turn into an episode of Wallace and Gromit,
40:42
right? Like, I feel
Brandon 40:45
I thought about Wallace and Gromit here when I was reading this, I was like, Oh my gosh, just whip out the emergency backup cheese, just in case. You know, I mean, I guess it is quite nutritious. I don't know if I
41:02
just, I just don't think about eating straight up Parmesan
Brandon 41:07
for that, right? I don't know. I don't know if that's a thing. Italian friends let me know
Speaker 3 41:12
how this works here. But like lots of other cheeses, you just eat,
Brandon 41:19
but like Parmesan, not one of them that I'm familiar with, right? Like lots of Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know, but you know, whatever, whatever it keeps good, hard, nice, hard, cheese here to keep in your snow box on this
Collin 41:41
just we hit this chapter and, and this is the most shocking thing we've read to this point. And, yeah,
41:47
it really is. I can't I'm
Collin 41:51
now. Now you know what? I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm completely thrown off, and I don't trust anything in the story anymore.
Brandon 42:00
Yeah, yeah. I don't know, really, really, the rest of the chapter is just, I don't even know what happened, because they're like, oh, they have to burial Tom dead. Tom's dead, and they have to bury him, clearly. And there's a flag of truce on the horizon.
Collin 42:21
Oh, and who's, who's carrying it? Oh,
Brandon 42:23
it's, well, it's somebody. And next to silver himself, dun, dun, dun. So he's with another person, right? Yeah, right. So that's, that's kind of where we end this, this chapter, the flag of truce with old silver his cell
Collin 42:42
coming up to see Ray. That
Brandon 42:46
brings us to our next chapter, chapter 20, pretty short, right to the point. To the point. Chapter is excellent, by the way, nice, short to the point. Kind of hilarious, a little bit, right? We just get all down to it. The captain here is just the best, because he's like, he's like, Ah, yes, I'm Captain Silver. And he's like, Are you now? Yes,
Collin 43:24
yeah, it was good, yep. Captain Silver, come Yeah. Captain Silver, don't know him. Who's here? The captain,
43:33
yeah, never heard of him. Get out of here,
Collin 43:38
and we can hear him adding to himself. Captain, is it in my heart? And here's promotion. Oh, man.
Brandon 43:47
So, yeah, he wants to come and talk terms, right? Talk some terms. And he's like, Well, the captain's like, you know, he's like, Well, I'm gonna, you know, blah, blah, blah, and I promise to be safety. And the captain's like, look, the only people promoting any sort of treachery is you. So you're fine from us, but, like, I don't know what you're worrying about. Like, sit down and be quiet.
Collin 44:19
We didn't do this. And it really is this, like, long johns, like, overtly, like, oozing of charm. And this, this, this courtesy that he's trying to throw out there, like he's really trying to play up this, I don't know, like this diplomatic envoy or whatever he's on. And small hat is just like, brutally honest. Sees right through it, knows exactly what's going on. And it's interesting to see these two particularly spar off because, yeah, it, I mean, really,
Brandon 44:54
right from the get go, and after that, he's like, can you it's like, aren't you gonna invite. Me inside. It's a cold morning to be sure, sir, to sit out upon the sand, and the captain's response is epic. He's like, why? Silver said the captain, if you had pleased to be an honest man, you might have been sitting in your galley. It's your own doing. You're either my ship's cook, and then you were treated handsome, or Captain Silver, a common mutineer and pirate, and then you can go hang
Speaker 1 45:27
he's like, it's might uncomfortable out here. He's like, too bad. So sad loser. Sit down. Sit down right.
Collin 45:36
And, and part of this is, I think John is Long John, Captain Silver, whatever is, he's so used to, obviously, like winning people over, and he's so like, I think this is also, I think, a way for him to try and win anybody over on the fence, right? Yeah, right. And also save face for what he's doing, for the men that are behind him, because, you know, he's still probably holding them together, like by a bare thread, and so having to project overconfidence and hospitality to make it so that if things go wrong, maybe there'll be some more defectors from those that are with the captain. Small at
Brandon 46:19
Well, I mean, that's true to you. But also, I think the captain, well, we did. We skipped over a little bit, but last night, there were sounds of revelry being heard from the pirate camp along the way. But like,
Collin 46:33
the captain knows,
Brandon 46:35
like what we've talked about before, like a he brings it up here. He's like, I know that none of you can sail a ship. Oh, by yourself. Yeah, right. So don't even like, I know what you want, right? Because, remember, back in the Apple Barrel silver was talking about, ideally, this would have played out like, once they had the treasure on the boat, and we're halfway back to England. Yeah, right. But circumstances went this way. They were found out, and other things came to pass. And so he's trying to salvage this, because he knows that he, even though he's like, trying to project this, I think, I think part of his charisma and his like this is like him trying to like, hide his insecurity as well, because he knows that he is not in the clear here. He knows that he is not people. They don't even have the chart, right? That's the other thing they want. Like, we want the chart. And he's like, and the captain's like, tough, chili wings, big boy. Uh no, you can't have it. Uh huh, they want the treasure. And they're like, we'll even put you on another island somewhere. And he's like, no, no, you, you know, you say all these things, but you really don't have any power, because you have some people on your side, but you can't sail a boat. You don't know how to chart, you don't know where you are. You don't know how to get back to where you want to be. If you'll surrender now, I'll it's like, if you just surrender to me now, then we'll take that into consideration at the sentencing. He's
Collin 48:20
like, whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah. And this whole time, and, you know, so each, obviously, each part is trying to figure out, like, what the strengths that the other ones have, and really start kind of again, needling into, into these. And there was this exchange, I don't know where, was this, Papa? Oh, where Jim cuts in, and he says all that silver said was a riddle to him, but you never would have guessed it from his tone. As for me, I began to have an inkling Ben Gunn's last words came back, and I was beginning to think we were at only 14 enemies to deal with that maybe there was a secret attack during this too. So, like, yes, Silver's thrown off, like he's talking about something and and small. That's like, what? Like, okay, because it's because he had nothing to do with it.
Brandon 49:12
Yeah, I think that happened last night. So there was some revelry happening, I guess. But it does, it does sound like that, yeah, because silver does throw some accusations and small, it just kind of like takes it in stride, but he it's like, he has no idea what's happening, yeah? So yeah, it does seem like old Ben Gunn sneaked into the pirate camp and off somebody in the night, right to kind of even some odds when they weren't paying attention. Because, yeah, that does happen here too. Silver's like, well, you blah, blah, blah. And he's just like,
Collin 49:48
No, anyway.
Brandon 49:52
And, and he's very unmoving in the whole rest of this thing, right at the end, right right before he leaves. He's like you, he's say, basically tells him You can't find the treasure, you can't sail the ship. There's not a man among you fit to sail that ship, and you can't fight us. Yeah, so your ship is in irons, Master silver, you're on the leash, or so you'll find Yeah,
Collin 50:16
because, because, again, Long John is coming, and he's trying to again sweet talk. He's like, you know, we'll divide stores with you, man on man. And Captain Smollett, he said, rose from his seat, knocked out all the ashes of his pipe in the palm of his hand, and said, is that all he asked, every last word by thunder, refused that. And you've seen the last of me, but musket balls. And he says, very good, right? And like you said, now he's going now he just lays it all out there and that, you know, you have nothing you are actually you have nothing to bargain with at now, and your position is, is not all that strong, because what he's saying here is basically, yeah, sure, go ahead and kill us. And then what? Then, what will you do? You still don't
Brandon 51:05
have anything, yeah. And it's really exemplified by right after that, the scene right after where he says, Now, give me a hand up. And the captain says, not I. And he just stands there. And he makes silver crawl across the sand, back to where he came from, to the house to, like, get stood up by his elf because he won't offer him a hand back up again from the seated position on sand. So that was he just makes him crawl away from him. So we really see that in this exchange. It's very clear who it came out on top right? Like it's, it's really not up for debate that Captain small, it still has at least some position of power here over the whole situation, right?
Collin 51:54
Yeah, it's, he's absolutely, absolutely not. And I just Yeah. So it's very interesting that display of real who really is in charge of all of this,
Brandon 52:08
like the projected, like the fake, like the slimy, the, you know, like silver, is trying to be all charming and charismatic, and, you know, sell you that used car. But, like, the real authority is still smaller in the situation where he's just, like, No, I know exactly what's happening. You can't pull it over me. You don't know what's happening. Like, get out, like, so, which maybe backfires slightly. It just started the next chapter. I mean, the one title, titled the attack, yeah, immediately after silver leave, they start preparing to be ambushed, right?
Collin 53:01
So it was
Brandon 53:02
the captain is, first of all, he's kind of mad at all the people in the house because they were gawking at this exchange between him and silver, and they were supposed to be watching at their post. They're supposed to be watching through the holes on the outside of the house for any is enemy activity. And so when he turns around and sees them all staring at him, he's like, get back to you real mad? Yeah. He knows. He knows that they're coming like, right now, right? He knows that after that exchange, the pirates are coming to attack him like immediately, and he turns around and all of the people are staring at him, and he's like, we got things new. Get over there. Get back. Yes, get back, right? So he's like, we've we need to take shelter. We well. He even says, I've given silver a broadside. Oh, right. I pitched it in red hot on purpose. And before the hour is out, as he said, We shall be boarded. We're outnumbered, and I needed and I didn't tell you that, but we fight in shelter. So he's like, we have some things on our side. So here's what we're going to do. And they basically set up the attack plan, right? Yeah. They give people posts, they load the muskets, right? They put him and Jim. He basically says, I, me and Jim are gonna load muskets. Because he's like, I can't shoot. And Jim is, you know, a child, so we're gonna load muskets for you. Yes, just call out and we'll go from there. So he places them all around this thing. So this is this little cabin has they keep calling them loopholes. I'm just imagining these are, like small window, that's what I as well, yeah, and why they're called loopholes. But there's like, little windows, like, there's a long side that has. Like, what, five, and then the shorter sides have, like, two or three, and then there's a side with a door. So they're basically just trying to get everybody spread
Speaker 3 55:07
out so they can look and be on the lookout for where they're coming from, right? And it doesn't really take too long before
Collin 55:23
this, you know, this happens. He's like,
Brandon 55:31
Wait, is this yeah, oh yeah. When all of a sudden, one of the guys goes, so if I see anybody on fire, yeah, he's like, yes. And he's like, right, thank you. And then just like, a little bit while later, he's like, blam, blam, yep.
Collin 55:47
I just making sure, yes.
Brandon 55:50
Didn't want me to say, just go for it, right? So there, it happens pretty quickly.
Collin 55:58
They kind of faint
Brandon 56:01
the house, right? They kind of come on one side a little bit, but then they mostly attack from a different side. There's a bit of trickery. It's very it's weird.
Collin 56:15
I don't know. It's
Brandon 56:16
odd to me that they're still talking about this whole situation in nautical terms, because he's like, we were boarded through this side. Like, yeah, you're in a cabin. Like you're not on a be mean, but it means it came from this. It's just a bit of an odd way to phrase this as especially if our narrator is supposed to be Jim,
Collin 56:38
who's not sailor, right? No, I've been on a boat. He's
Brandon 56:46
been on the boat now, I guess, and if he's been, you know, we don't know how
56:50
long after he's telling us this story,
Brandon 56:54
though, too. So, yeah, the borders swarmed over the fence
56:58
like monkeys, right?
Brandon 57:03
Squire and gray fired again and again and yet, three men fell, one forwards into the enclosure, two back onto the outside. So
Collin 57:15
the some of them were initially dusted up there. There was
Brandon 57:22
a lot of smoke and then so they did have to run outside at some point.
Collin 57:27
Cutlasses, right? Yeah, Cutlass, because they are, they're all coming in. It's close quarters now, yeah, we're
Brandon 57:33
in close quarters where they the advantage has shifted, right, where, basically they were all where the our intrepid good guys here were on the inside, firing out. As soon as the pirates got to the wall, they could then fire inside, yes, and there was no cover for our people. So they ran outside, right? Because they knew we still need shelter and cover. So we have to run outside. And yeah, Jim just drops everything, grabs a cutlass and runs outside,
Collin 58:10
which didn't take
Brandon 58:12
too long. They went outside and kind of around the corner so they could have some cover there. I
Brandon 58:23
but we can tell something is kind of wrong, because he says round the house. Lads around the house cried the captain, and even in the Hurley Burley, I perceived a change in his voice, but he still obeyed right anyway. So the ran out there. There is a bit more of a kerfuffle, and then,
Collin 58:46
basically, the Pirates start running away.
Brandon 58:52
Yes, right? They start, they kind of, it's not going well. They're firing still on them. And then
Collin 59:01
they kind of escape, right? And so after this first little Fourier here,
Brandon 59:10
we have some time to take stock, right? The house was by this time somewhat clear to smoke. We saw at a glance the price we had paid for victory. Hunter lay beside his loophole, stunned Joyce by his shot through the head, never to move again. Well, right in the center of the Squire was supporting the captain. One is pale as the other. The captain is wounded, Mr. Trelawney,
Collin 59:36
so and that, but the captain's still
Brandon 59:39
in good spirits, because he's like, have they run? Yeah. He says, Have
Collin 59:43
they run? And then all that could you may be bound return the doctor, but there's five of them will never return it again and think they will never ride. Yeah, that's better five against three leaves us four to nine. That's better odds than we had it starting we were seven to nine. Seen the
Brandon 1:00:01
true but we do have a ad. Do you have an asterisk on yours? No, do you have this? Okay, so my my book has an asterisk here a note from Stevenson. It says the mutineers were soon only eight in number for the man shot by Mr. Trelawney on board the schooner died the same evening of his wound. But this was, of course, not known until after by the faithful party, so
1:00:27
the boom
Collin 1:00:29
just making sure that those keeping count at home, yeah, yeah,
1:00:33
I see Yeah. So
Brandon 1:00:35
there we go. Plus, plus maybe minus one more, whatever Ben guns been up to, who knows, right? I don't know what in the world's going on over there. So we've had our first, like, full scale
Speaker 3 1:00:52
sortie here. Yeah, right, where it you know,
Brandon 1:00:58
there has been some more casualties, but they seem to come out for the better this time. But clearly they cannot stay in this
Speaker 3 1:01:10
stockade cabin hut thing. No, have to see they will need to move now.
Brandon 1:01:17
We have to see what their next plan is going to be. Yeah, I
Collin 1:01:20
would, I would like to say I could guess, but again, see snuffbox cheese, and that's true. So, right,
Brandon 1:01:27
will Ben get his snuffbox cheese? That's really,
Collin 1:01:33
I'm a little terrified to think of the detail that's going to be written about Ben loving the snuffbox cheese. It might be a little too much. I may have to just page over that and flip over, yeah, no. Have to read the whole
1:01:46
thing in excruciating detail out loud.
Collin 1:01:50
You're right. I mean, there's a lot of lot of action in this one. This was good,
Brandon 1:01:59
short, action packed little section here. Yeah, so we are, we are firmly hotted up here, and that's it. That's a part five. So getting close over halfway here, nice and breezing on through, no problem. So we'll see next,
Collin 1:02:19
just,
Brandon 1:02:21
you know, looking at the title page for chapter or Part Five, it does say my sea adventure. So go. I don't know who knows what's going back to the ship, perhaps for something I don't really know. So we're coming back on the water for at least a little bit of it. A little is anybody ever gonna find any treasure? Who knows? Who knows? Right? Leave it on the island. Ben's gonna find his cheese. That's the real treasure. That's cheese. You know what? Real treasure all along, all along, right? Like that's true, right? Cheese was the real treasure. Oh man,
Collin 1:03:08
so much, so much so much so much cheese. It's uncomfortable, true.
Brandon 1:03:19
Well, they have a haiku to close this out. Not about cheese, though. Oh yeah. Come in. I've been, I've been writing many haikus in reflection of my of a trip that we took here. I got one for you. Okay, right that we touched on last week. Right? Metro's secret door, twisting, turning down and down Now, which one to board? Where is that? Indeed?
Collin 1:04:03
Oh, nice. That's good. Good one. I really like that.
1:04:09
There's another, more serious ones, but I felt that,
Collin 1:04:12
okay, okay, well, I'm looking so, yeah, I'm looking forward to the slow rollouts. Roll out a couple more here and there more, yeah, so that's good.
1:04:24
We're got a couple of workshop there. They're
1:04:26
nice. No,
Collin 1:04:28
perfect right away.
1:04:35
Hey. Well,
Collin 1:04:37
what will happen next time? We don't know, but we'll
1:04:40
be the sea will be back, sea
Collin 1:04:43
will be back, and cheese will make an appearance. So all will be, or will it? I think it's gonna, yeah, we'll see a good will happen next time,
Speaker 1 1:04:52
or wait till the end. Yeah, now we don't know. Nana time, such suspense, we will tell await. Bated breath,
Collin 1:05:01
absolutely, absolutely so and on that. We'll do this again soon. Okay, all right,
1:05:09
love you, love you. Bye. You.
1:05:11
You.