binders on shelves

Brandon is back to school. Collin saw a large duck. Jim makes it home.

• First day of school

• #notsponored

• Trouble with the locks

• binders on shelves

• Best coloring books

• World’s Largest Duck: https://thebigduck.us/

• Dumb fair rides

• Boost the water

• Other summer reading!!

• You Only Live Twice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Only_Live_Twice_(novel) 

• Final sea shanty!!

• Homeward Bound!

• Fair, Jim!!

• Brandon’s Haiku

• Crackling under

• Foot; Desiccated by the

• scorching August days

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

podcast, binders on shelves, first day of school, locker combinations, band schedule, fair experience, inflatable duck, rides, James Bond book, meta narrative, treasure hunt, superstition, pirates, standoff, backstory, Treasure Island, Jim Hawkins, Long John Silver, Captain Smollett, mutiny, gold treasure, pirates, adventure, trauma, character growth, moral dilemma, survival, betrayal, island escape, pirate life

SPEAKERS

Brandon, Collin

Collin  00:04

Collin, welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, binders on shelves.

00:17

Hello, ahoy.

Collin  00:19

Ahoy. I forgot what I was doing here for a second. I'm so sorry. And oh, this is what is

Speaker 1  00:27

this? What happens when you record on the scheduled night for multiple weeks in row? You just, holy cow. I know. I know. I don't know that happening.

Collin  00:39

This is bizarre. I don't like this at all normal, that's for sure. Oh, my goodness. Oh, okay, here we are doing things and stuff. Got pages of things, putting things away.

Speaker 1  00:58

I've got water. Man, okay, so many things, so many things. Scott, so sorry, so sorry. I

Collin  01:06

see, I see you're back in school now. Yeah,

Speaker 1  01:10

first day today. So the voice, the voice, is a little bit down today, so we're good,

Collin  01:17

breaking out the best here.

Speaker 2  01:19

That's true. That's true. Sure, I had them today. They're my backpacker over there. Can't reach them right now, but, yeah, I had those today. Had the old grass tillies. So good, right? Again, it's the not so much talking, that's the problem. It's the talking at volume that really does it for you, right? And kind of got to get loudness back new voice, so have that and test my tea with honey here. So I'm ready to go, but yeah, back to school today. First Days are always kind of boring, right? Because, like, it's just, I mean, I repeat myself a lot every day, but like, even more so on the first day, because it's just a lot of, like, procedural things, like, you know, that kind of stuff. Nothing like super exciting but

02:18

super necessary, right? So just kind of like repeating the same old thing over and over again, about, like, oh yes, this is where the pencil sharpener

Speaker 2  02:27

is, by the way, right? Or, hey, remember, remember how we don't run on the stairs? Remember that? Yeah, let's not do that, right? Like, Ah,

Collin  02:36

look at all these rules that we need to remind ourselves of and, well, yeah,

Speaker 2  02:42

well, yeah, just like, remember, remember stairs, remember how we don't run and push on them. Yeah, good, that's right, don't do that. So a lot of that just talking about normal stuff. My It is weird they change my schedule again, because I can't have two consecutive years in a row with the same schedule. That would be crazy, right? Yeah. Who would do that? It's lame. Um, we have first hour plan time, right? So that's really annoying, because, I mean, this is like no other break time, so it's very that makes the first day of school quite stressful, like, come in, get everybody in the room, navigate these dumb lockers and how they don't want to open sometimes right, get in like, new locker combinations and like not remembering that it's right, left, right and not left, right, left, right, oops,

Collin  03:56

right. We have, we have a client who has a combo locker like that. My if you watch, my blood pressure do go whenever I'm at that visit, it skyrockets because I just have all these flashbacks to school, trying to frantically undo my lock on my locker and just failing miserably.

Speaker 2  04:16

Yeah, the real secret here is that sometimes the combination that you have is such that just going right, left, right doesn't work. You have to go all the way past the first number when you go left, yeah, right. And they're not, they haven't they didn't remember that part because it doesn't engage the Tumblr if you do that right. So you have to, if you have some numbers that are, like, real close together, you actually have to go around basically twice to the left, and then it's fine. But like, that's the part that I was is throwing. Have a bus, yeah, right. So we do that, but yeah, come in. We're like, okay, get the locker, come in, take roll.

05:11

Here's a lunch. Count, okay, bye, right. That was kind of Oh no, yeah, these are your special classes. Go, run the hall go. I'll tell you more about that later, but right now,

Speaker 2  05:25

go to art or wherever you want. They went today, I don't even know, right? And I had to do even more, because at open house the other day, the some of the they were they were having troubles with the locks then as well. So I was out in the hallway doing that too, so I forgot to ask my home base kids

Brandon  05:48

if they were in band or not. So that is really important for making the special schedule. I gotta know if you're gonna be in band, because if you're in band, you have one schedule. But if you're in the not band group, you're on a different schedule for where you go, for your like, where you go, for like, your you know, what days you go to, like art, because you go to band multiple times a week. Yeah, yeah, right. But you know, so that puts you on a different schedule than the other kids that are going to one special class per day. You know, like a music they gotta go to music. And because, if you're

Speaker 2  06:23

a band, you don't go to music class, right? You're already getting your fine art thing. It's fine, right? And that means you gotta go to library on a different day. And, you know, you go also. So, so, you know, I had to run around do that, but I just classy strat of okay, here's all the people in band, here's everyone else, 121212, nice, yep, and organized. It's fine. It's fine. There's a lot of band kids, so it worked out okay. But yeah, that was pretty much it. I much, it just kind of feeling out, getting used to moving around. Here's your classes. Here they are doing stuff, okay, like, so Well, seeing how it goes tomorrow, we just dive in. I can't wait anymore. They're making fun of me because they're always like, no, some of the other teachers are like, well, we gotta do, like, beginning of the school stuff, and we gotta get ready, blah, blah. Like, Nah, where's going, right? Because also I figure, since we're rotating classes right in the writing in English class, they do the like, back to school thing they do, like, a writing thing about, like, the your summer, and then getting to know you. And they do all that stuff in the English class, right? So do they really need to do that again in my class? No. But worse, probably no. They don't need to do that again. They don't need to do first day activities of like, getting to know you in English, and then they do a little the math. Lady does like a little thing, right? Do I really need to do anything with that too? No, no, no, that's not. I'm very practical about these they're teasing me, right? But I'm very practical about these things. I'm like, no, no. We're bare bones over here, stripped down. We don't have cutesy stuff over here, right? It's very Bango. Today we put binders on shelves. Ooh, yeah, there we go. I was like, here's a Sharpie. Write your name on. Not gonna make you a label. Come on. What is it? What is this letting them take ownership to his practicality? Yes, I don't need to print and make. First of all, I can't make a label come on you and then, like, I mean, print it off. Stuart, so it's fine. That's pretty much what we did. They just sort of, sort of like, enjoy the long weekend, right? And not do do as little as possible, really, is what I did over the weekend. Yeah? Because you gotta like, like, conserve, conserve, prep, build, yeah, like, Yeah, I'm sure this first day is just like, just brutal. So yeah, it's just like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, all day, especially with your conference hours, first hour, right? So you get school, and you like, okay, wait and now and then

09:39

after that, it's like, I

09:45

I had to be outside if recess today.

Collin  09:49

You gross. Mike, how this

Speaker 2  09:52

heat advisories came back right in time for the first day of school. That was real handy. What the heck, man? Why is this your pro. Surprise. Why is this happening? Surprise. You know, it's been, yeah, it's been real bad. Oh yeah, awful. So hot, no rain ever like I can't really remember the last. I don't it hasn't rained since I've been home. I don't think down here. Like, if it did rain, it was, like, one of those where it was like, Okay, done. Like, just, like, a little, just a little joke, little sprinkle. Like, hot, just kidding. No, yeah. Like, haha, it's gone right, like, right now there's a whole bunch of rain. It's all way east of us. Yeah, dang it, because it's too dry, so we're not getting any of

10:55

that. Boo.

Collin  10:58

We had that the other day. We were at the pool, and watch this huge, huge Thunder Cloud just storming like forming above us and coming our way. And then the whole system moved north, and was just like, just kidding, just kidding. I'm going this way.

Speaker 2  11:22

That's the worst. Yeah, you could, like, it did that kind of hear the day, you could, like, hear thunder, and then it was like, Nah,

11:30

we're good. No, come back, please. Because that was very rude. I had like that, yes, but you know, that's all right, excuse me, yeah, nothing too

Speaker 1  11:51

exciting today. We'll see how the rest of the week goes. Right? It's always like a learning curve, right? Because it's like,

Speaker 2  11:56

have to, like, learn the children's Right? Kind of feel them out a little bit, figure out who they are, kind of, you know, and like, what they're going to be doing well, and, yeah,

Collin  12:10

like, who's going to be the one that's going to well, you'll,

Speaker 2  12:15

you'll nail the troublemakers and the questioners and the, You know, kind of start knowing what you're up against this year. Oh, yeah. So that's just, like a whole deal. So that'll be this week, really trying to figure out what on earth is happening here. So that's, that's pretty much I'm doing. How have you been

Collin  12:38

I we had a we went to the fair, and we had a very warm time. We arrived 920 in the morning, and walking in, I was just going, Oh no, it's not Oh, oh

12:58

no. That's not a good sign. Already on. And it

Collin  13:00

was like, like, air temperature wise, nice, but it was the my skin felt the intensity of the skin. Yeah. I was like, oh no, oh no. So thankfully, Noah, in his preparedness, when we said, we need a pack to go to the fair. Grabbed our little cooling towels, you know, the ones that can get wet and you wrap around your neck to, oh yeah, grab some of those and took with them. So we have, we did have those. We busted those out later. But we have a little track where we go to the floor culture building. We go to the art building. We go to the little farm petting area, we wave to little chickens, and then we talk about how many pigs we could fit in our backyard, which is zero, and then, is it actually zero? Or just make it say it's zero. I mean, which means, technically it is zero. That's

13:56

true. That's fair. It

Collin  13:59

doesn't quite the answer. The question doesn't matter. The answer is zero. We go to the MoDOT building because we want to see we get some new maps, and they have a lot of they have the best coloring books in the area. Weirdly,

Speaker 2  14:13

I was not expecting that, right? You know, I did not expect MoDOT to have the best coloring books in the area. This got some good not gonna lie here. Good job. MoDOT though, all job on being on top of the coloring game. You know what I mean? Like they're

Collin  14:27

really, I don't know. And they also, also, they had a snowplow truck out front with the massive plow on front and the side plow. Have you seen this side plow? So they have the primary plow in front. It's got a little primary plow, okay, a primary plow. Then they attach a secondary plow to the side that's pushed out, and it's actually has this massive pneumatic piston. That pushes it out from the side. It's it's pivoted. It's got the little swing pivot up at the front, and so it actually pushes out the front the main plow, oh my gosh, sorry, weak, the main plow pushes out the front. And this actually scrapes off the side and throws the snow that the primary plow just kind of puffs over on the shoulder. This further one kicks it even further out. And, yeah, it was massive. It was so it

15:31

still blocks my driveway every time. Well, that's because that

15:35

pushes it into your right way.

Collin  15:39

Thwarted. Yes, yes. Remember, they clear the shoulder, not driveways, people, yeah, which, every year I have to, we shovel our driveway, and I can, I can only push it to the left and right so much because it's really narrow, like, my house is six inches away from my driveway, and so my neighbor, there's only, like, four feet before it's his house from my driveway. So it's really narrow, so I can't go left and right, and so it all has to get pushed out into the road, but then I have to clear that area out, because when the city comes through, they just take everything that I've piled up at the end on the side, and then they block the driveway from it and push it back into the yeah, here you forgot this. And I say, nay.

Speaker 1  16:20

Now just gotta push it over to the yard until we do so I've

Collin  16:24

kind of like, expanded out and kind of like, anyway, so after we do that, we go to the MDC building so that we can go look at their big fish and aquariums that they have there, because they've got amazing displays there. Then you have to go to the west, because from the west of that is the Tractor Supply and equipment stuff. So you get to go sit in all the combines and all the big tractors and all the little tractors and all the mowers, and side by side, you go sit that. Then it's time for lunch, so you go to the main drag, and it's kind of, I think I've talked about this before, but they, for whatever reason, the fair, they do a really good job with providing access to local companies

17:10

to be there so,

Collin  17:14

like, there's a place here in Our town that I can eat at the other 340 days of the year that the fair is not in town, and yet, every time we go to the fair, they've got a booth, and so we just go there and eat. And it's great. And I love it.

Speaker 1  17:32

Hey, you know, you know, sometimes it's just more exciting at the fair too, you know,

Speaker 2  17:36

like, well, and because that,

Collin  17:39

some because like, the majority of the food stalls are the annoying ones that just go from fair to fair to fair that aren't different, right? Like, yeah, it's the fried pickle, wow, oh yeah. And you can tell it's like, oh, this is just generic. But all the locals, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go say hi to you, because I like you. Then after that, oh, this year, this year, there was a new attraction. There was a new thing. Oh, that all right, swiveled our attention that we had to go check out because the world's largest duck May, oh, and a PS, yes, well, hey, yes, sponsored by the local Jeep dealer. And cool enough,

Speaker 1  18:30

yeah, of course, right? We started talking about this last year a little bit, right? Jeep people in their ducks.

Collin  18:38

So, so, yes, so and it's interesting because we started on the south side of the fair and we could see the head of the duck, just like looming.

19:00

That's not weird at all, like,

Collin  19:03

so it was so great. I love because it just like, you'd like, peek around a building and there would just be these, this bright orange beak, just like

Collin  19:19

it was. I love this so much. In case you're wondering, this inflatable duck, it's inflatable. It's not a solid structure. It's over six stories tall, and is a lot of duck. It's a lot of duck, right? It's a lot of duck.

19:36

And it was just over 60 feet. Yes,

19:41

60. Oh, wow, 61 feet, yes, of

Speaker 2  19:44

duck, of duck, saw that coming, right?

Collin  19:48

I know well you would see it coming from a long I guess

Speaker 1  19:53

everyone will see it coming, right? By the way, international France 18 and. Half meters of inflated duck, right? That's what, what's happening right here? Okay,

Collin  20:05

it's still, even though it's inflated, it still weighs over 15 tons.

Speaker 2  20:09

That's a That's a lot. Yes, that's a lot or cannoli, that's a lot of duck.

Collin  20:17

It is a lot of duck. So this, this was a cool highlight that we got to go see and get our picture and take him in front of it before we went. And then we did the rides. And this year was, oh, this year was very momentous, because, right, I can't see too frightening. Well, I'll get there in a second,

20:38

right? It's just like

Collin  20:41

at the farm show area, where they had all of the tractors and equipment, they always have a giant trailer filled with corn that the kids are can play in, right? This is this is good. And this year, we noticed a sign that said nine years and under,

Speaker 2  21:06

and one of my children is going to be aging out of that. Oh, yeah.

Collin  21:14

This was a interesting perspective. This was an intro. This was the first thing that she was too old to take part in anymore. Yeah, right, that she because, like, Sure, we've, we've passed this milestone for, like, Megan and I have, like, Oh, she can't be in the, like, Aqua tots class for like, one year and under. But like, this is one thing that, like, she was really looking forward to. She always really is, likes and wants to go to, but

Speaker 3  21:38

she can't anymore. This is it time. Wow.

Collin  21:44

This was weird. This was an unexpected

Speaker 1  21:49

growing up, something unexpected to be confronted with, like, existential life moment like, oh my gosh,

Collin  21:58

what? Oh my goodness, yeah. Like, all of a sudden I'm just like, you're right. Like, how do you what is, what's going through your brain right now? Like, how are you feeling about this? And she was like, that's fine. It's fine. So, but we did leave her a little bit longer to play in the corn and, like, I mean, yeah, hey, we're gonna go over here. Like, just give her some time to like corn. It Up, I guess

22:23

in the corn, right?

Speaker 2  22:26

Because the Children of the Corn to

Collin  22:29

to all of the corn things. It was, man, I was just like, not expecting this. And then we encountered it again on the rides, because there's, two sections, oh, and this, oh, they did us dirty this year, the main fairway used to be to gain access into the fairway, you had to buy tickets right at the front, and then you could go into the main fairway and go to The rides. Now,

Speaker 2  22:58

they have placed the ticket booths in the middle by the Ferris wheel,

Collin  23:06

so you have to walk past all of the rides. Like, in the beginning, there's two sets of rides, but the fair, the fairway, isn't divided into two sections, the front half in the back half, the front half are like younger kid rides, back half, older, larger adult stuff. And then in the middle is the Ferris wheel. So the way we come in, we have to walk past, past all of our rides, go to the middle, buy the tickets, which they're not doing tickets anymore. It's all scan and tap stuff and junk. And I'm not happy about this, yeah, whatever. You have to go to a little kiosk,

23:39

pushing buttons

Collin  23:41

anyway, then you have to go back. So there's a ride. It's called the lollipop swings. It's one of those, like you sit in the swing, the swing chair that has long chains that go up to the top. And this is for kids. It's not, it's not the big version of this. I think, you know, you may be picturing the big versions that come up, and then they do go kind of fast, but the arms are shaped like lollipops. Daughter loves us, right? So much. We read it every year, and this year was the first time I noticed that on the little board that you stand next to to determine if you are tall enough, there is a line so it goes it goes red, and then you hit green for if you're tall, and then there's this green zone, and the green zone ends, and then there's another red zone where you can be too big for this ride.

24:34

Oh,

Collin  24:35

and do you want to know whose head hit the top line and was bumping up into, oh yeah, oh no. And so first the corn bin, and now the lollipop swings of like, this is your last year doing this too, like, oh, oh no, oh. Wowzer,

25:04

double whammy, double whammy. Cow

Speaker 2  25:07

fair, Yeah, completely unexpected. This is supposed to be happy fun times, not like, like, mourning the loss of childhood

Collin  25:18

that was like, wow, leaving parts of our childhood on the fairgrounds, like, is what we're doing right now is just, like, little bits of trails, like, just

Speaker 3  25:29

like the corn dog wrapper, right? That we can never go back and pick up. It's just gonna get blown away. Like, it just

Speaker 2  25:34

got poof gone. So after that, like, like, sands through the hourglass, right? Sorry, serious moment I forgot.

Collin  25:45

So we recovered from that quickly, and then we went and read rode the roller coaster thing at the back. That was the first time they had written that, because they were both finally tall enough.

25:58

I one more closes, a new one opens.

Collin  26:03

So we've got that they wrote that I was at one end, and as they were coming in, no one screamed at me.

26:10

I'm never doing this again.

Collin  26:15

It's off the ride. They come out. They're telling to us as they're retelling the story, they both start to get more and more excited. And then I go, Okay, well, let's go to the next one. And there's a pause, and he says, Well, can we write it one more time?

Speaker 1  26:35

You know, actually, I thought about it and, you know, I had some time to compose my thoughts after the trauma, and I realized, you know, it wasn't so bad, really. I think

Collin  26:50

my feelings, you got to

Speaker 2  26:53

sit with them for a minute. You kind of like marinate in those

26:57

feelings a little bit and decide what, what's up. It was so

Collin  27:02

funny. So funny, actually, can we write again? Yeah, actually, I think that's why

27:09

it is so funny.

Collin  27:13

So they wrote it again, and then we went to the next one, and this was the one that he chose. It's this. And I think I sent you photos of this. It's the you walk in and the it's this big round circle, and you just kind of like, put your back up against this slat and kind of wedge yourself in this little space,

Speaker 2  27:34

oh yeah, the spinning wheel of doom.

Collin  27:37

And then it lifts up and, like, tilts and goes almost vertical where, like you are, so that when you're flying up, like when I'm when I'm up furthest, I'm at my furthest point from the ground, I'm looking down at the ground, yeah, and then you swing around, and you're on your back looking up at the sky. And this had been going on while we had been walking around, and Noah kept looking at it like

28:02

it's the centripetal force machine, right?

Collin  28:05

Yeah, they call it anti gravity, yeah, but we know that it's the

28:09

centripetal force

Speaker 1  28:13

you to fighter pilots to clinch your legs, yeah? It's your Top Gun training, yes.

Speaker 2  28:20

And I'm like, Well, I I kind of

Collin  28:25

gotta just go with him on this. I can't, this isn't a

Speaker 3  28:28

Go by yourself. I can't leave him on like crazy, leave him alone for this.

Collin  28:33

So we walk in and he just finds a spot, puts up, puts this little, like tiny cloth belt across the front of you. And I'm like, well, that's fun. That's cool. So when this stops mid air, I'll just, I'll fly through that, because it's not going to hold my weight, and it'll just go plummeting to the earth. Cool. This is great. And like, four people get on the ride with us, and it starts spinning. And immediately I'm like, This is dumb. This,

Speaker 2  29:03

this, I, oh,

29:06

that root beer I just drank. Really protests right now,

Collin  29:10

I should not be on this. Like, this is dumb. This is really, it starts to spin, and it's going real fast, like it's, it's really chugging along. And look over and he has his eyes closed, and he's letting his head loll back and forth. I can't tell if he's caught.

29:30

He's, like, enjoying himself, or if he's just passed out, like his pass out.

Collin  29:34

And so I'm like, I'm yelling, because it's so

Speaker 3  29:39

whack him, right? Yeah, yeah. And, but you can't, like, I can't

Collin  29:43

lift my arms to, like, touch him or anything. Oh yeah, true throw. I can barely lift my head up to look over to the right. But as I'm looking to the right, I'm getting nauseous because that's not the direction I'm spinning, right. Oh yeah. So I have to really watch myself. Off with this. I'm yelling. And he's like, I'm great. I just can't control my head. And it's just and then when it starts to raise up and it tilts you the it got really hard to breathe, like, whenever you're going down towards the ground that's even faster, right? Yes. And so at that point, I'm trying to tap, like Big breaths, buddy, like big breath. Yeah,

30:34

don't forget to exhale, right? Exhale. And at this point,

Collin  30:40

at this point, I start realizing that, like my heart hurts,

30:47

like it hurts in my chest,

Collin  30:52

that's what I'm really going like, This is so dumb, like I should not

30:57

Be on this thing. And so,

Collin  31:02

yeah, and I, like, reach up, and I kind of grab my chest, like, I this is, this is not comfortable. And then I noticed, like, two other people are kind of doing the same thing where they're like, holding their chest and their heart. And I'm like, okay, hey, I'm not the only one who's should is not medically cleared. Yeah,

Speaker 1  31:18

cool. I'm not just old. Rad. Okay. Awesome. Yeah, cool.

Collin  31:23

You guys look younger and could run faster than me. Okay, cool, cool, cool. We come back down, and he's like,

Speaker 2  31:35

like, jacked, ready to go, yeah.

Collin  31:40

And they're like, I need to sit a minute. I need to

Speaker 1  31:44

chug water. And I put my hands up over my head, and

Collin  31:47

like, yeah. Like, looking around, being like, that is not for me. And we're chugging water this whole time because it is so hot we're now out on the asphalt, and there's no shade. Oh yeah, no shade. And we're walking. And we do a couple other rides, and He spots the one that like you sit in that little, tiny, tight basket with that bar across your thing

Speaker 2  32:17

around you. That's the last fair ride I ever rode. Yeah, that was it. That's the one that did me in.

Collin  32:21

I rode that one one time, and he's starting to eye this one now. And I remember just saying, not this year, buddy, not we're not doing that one this year. No,

Speaker 2  32:39

that's the one I rode in, the bar came undone, right? And I it like, it goes up and around in the little cage, like, tumbles all over. So the bar came off, and I, like, flung forward and hit my face on the cage right? And then I just, sort of, I had to, like,

Brandon  33:01

brace my arms on the front, right? I, like, ex, like, I basically, like, wedged myself and, like, kicked my push my feet all out and onto that, which is kind of not great, because it's the door also. So that's good, right? I was like, pushing against the side so that I wouldn't come out of the thing, and, like, I was so dizzy, right? Possibly mildly concussed, I don't really know, I was very not good after that. And that's the last time I wrote a ride at the fair, and that was in high school. So, yeah, this is, like, sophomore year. Maybe, like, not even now, maybe not that maybe be here, but like, No, I was is last time I would ride the fair. I'm out.

Collin  33:48

I mean, in any other time period, this would have been viewed as a torture device of, hey, let's just stick some people in here and turn it on and see how they do. Well, do you remember

Speaker 2  33:59

in ye olden days, what your ride used to add to the fun? You remember your centripetal force ride? No, you don't. No, right? That ride at the fair, the old version, right? You would start spinning. It would raise you up in the air, and then the floor would drop away. Oh, right, right. There was no floor, and so you were just spinning on the inside of the barrel, sans floor, with literally only gravity and the spinning force slamming you into the side. I don't even think there was like a wisp of a belt on the old ones, right? I don't think, no, they're on the just like being smashed on the side. Like it was, like Apollo 13 or something. I don't know that was it as it and then the floor would just can't leave her out, and then yours done. There's, like, no floor. Like, is this ride working good enough for the floor to come back?

Collin  35:00

Do it. Like, you know, we don't really know the answer to that question. Oh, that was the other thing. While I'm standing there, I can't art the floor is like, a, like, a great, and it does end in towards the center. So you're on this little like, yeah, I don't know kind of thing, yeah, I'm standing there leaning against this thing, and I'm looking down and I can see the ground, and this thing is standing on, like, wood blocks. Oh yeah, that are, like, lightly tapped in there,

Speaker 2  35:33

a couple cinder blocks, some two by fours to, like, Wedge it up so it's even ish, right? What's making the most horrendous gear noises you ever heard in your life? There's, like, lots of clanking and like, metal on metal sounds, right? Oh yeah. The other one that I rode one time that it was not a fan of. It was like a it was the one that looked like a claw, kind of, it might actually been called the claw, yeah. Just had, like, the fingers, and you, like, it had, like, the tiniest seat, and then I'm, like, the roller coaster shoulder harness that came down and buckled, and then it just would spin and just like, go up and just like, wiggle all around. And I didn't, yeah, no, I could. No thanks. Yeah, I they

Collin  36:23

do not have one there, but I think I sent a tough picture

Speaker 2  36:27

of, yeah. I don't think they make those anymore, because they're like, are no, that's not I'm talking about oh, similar to that one, but like, it was crazy,

Collin  36:42

because this one I've seen this where you sit in these little chairs, like in a roller coaster, and they're on the edge of that claw, and the claw itself spins around as it swings back. It was kind of

Speaker 2  36:50

like that. But I don't think it swung quite. I think it was like came up, right? I think it swung quite, so bad. Yeah, those are not fun and exciting, right? And like that. So, yeah, we know we don't fair, right? Too old for fair writing, too boring for me,

Collin  37:10

yeah. So that was so we did that. Just many things. We did many things, and then we have to go. So you have to go to the app when you're done with the rides. Okay, then you have to go get your face painted. We don't do face painting before, rights, because it's so hot and so that's fair. Meanwhile, all this is going on, they're doing other rides the here's the cheat code at the Missouri State Fair. There's the Midway, as they call I call it the fairway, but it's the Midway where all the rides just outside of that up a little bit more up the Midway towards where the more of the food trucks are, there's the Family Center. In The Family Center,

Speaker 2  37:45

it's air conditioned, and they have drinking fountains with chilled water in them. And so what

Collin  37:55

you do? Double whammy, pack your own water bottles. People wear a backpack. It's fine, obviously. Cool. People wear backpacks cooler. People bring water bottles, except for the backpacks also make your back hotter. So I my job when we go fair is to be the water shuttle. Of like we chug water, I go find more water, and I bring it back to the home, back to the people, and then they drink more water.

38:22

View, I know that's what I'm that's what I'm doing. Like, I'm going out

Collin  38:25

fetching water, bringing it back, fetch water, bring back. We're going past this like, Go refill our waters. We we're wetting our um, whistles, whistles,

38:36

so bad.

Collin  38:38

And our cooling towels, is what I meant.

38:44

And then we

Collin  38:46

go get our face painted. That's where we're standing at the face painter. And the face painter says, Man, thanks for coming out today. 99 in the shade. And I went,

38:55

oh yeah.

38:58

I knew it was hot, but you didn't put a number on it, right? Like,

39:03

why?

Collin  39:04

And so we got our face painted. And then the one, the one last place that you have to go is the DNR building. Do you know why we go to the DNR building?

Speaker 1  39:19

Well, it's not the coloring books, because modots got that unlocked. So I don't know why we go the DNR

Collin  39:24

building. The DNR building is also air conditioned, so it's a great holdover to like nest and recover, because the distance from the other air conditioned building to this building is in ints and is also very hot. So you have to, yeah, do that. But also they give away, and this is really dumb. They give away aluminum cups, nice aluminum cups for free, aluminum cups, aluminum cups that are mine

Speaker 2  39:51

and processed here in Missouri. And so that's kind of cool, actually.

Collin  39:58

And so it's. A it's an infinitely recyclable material. It's also free. And so we go up and we stock up for the year. Because here's the other thing, you're like, oh, it's aluminum. What could possibly wear out? Why would you need to get so many cups for the year? Well, here's the

Speaker 2  40:13

thing, is it thin walled aluminum, like, very narrow gage

Collin  40:16

kind of thin it could be like, it's it's pretty sturdy, but it does get bent increased and stuff. And what do we know that happens to metal once it gets bent increased, it's a

40:27

couple times it's staying that way, and it's cracking in

Collin  40:30

half. And if it does crack open, now you don't have a cup, you have a razor blade, a Collin. And so along of our all of our old cups along the lip edge where has been creased or like Crumped, like being shoved in a car door pocket. Somebody gripped it too tight. They get these little slits in them because it's now separated and it's really sharp. And then you can catch your lip in there. And so you do, you have to

40:57

get it does not sound ideal. No

Collin  41:00

less than ideal. And then we left, and we got to ride the final fair ride, which is always the best, which is the the tractor that pulls the little cart behind it that you sit on that takes you out to the oh yeah parking lot, the park that's right of the park, because

41:15

you believe me.

Collin  41:18

And then we came and Meg and I crashed. I oh yeah, I crashed so hard. I was I fell asleep. We had headaches. It was not fun. Like, I was like, I because we on the way back. I forget who it was. One of the kids was like,

Speaker 2  41:36

Man, I drink a lot of water. I have to pee. And I was like, yeah, that's

41:43

bad. That's how hot it is.

Collin  41:46

Hot it goes like, we're gonna go home and just like, continue to chug water, because we spent five hours out there on asphalt in the sun, and maybe put a pinch

41:59

of salt in that water a little bit, you know,

Speaker 2  42:03

just little boost, little boosters, but little put a little pinch of salt, right? My

Collin  42:13

goodness, so, man, yeah, so we so we survived. We survived the Fair this year at cups, we enjoyed it, got to some new rides, said goodbye to some old experiences and that I again, I was not expecting such crazy, such a like, conflicting hair,

Speaker 2  42:32

traumatizing, fair, like, for real. It was pretty wild. Pretty wild. That's crazy, yeah, man,

Collin  42:44

that was, that was our event. That was what we did,

Speaker 2  42:46

fun. That's pretty good, right? Before we transition to book time, yeah, right. I do want to talk briefly about other summer reading I have done, right? And specifically, I need to give out about something, right? Ben, I read, I just finished a book the other day, and it's like, I don't know how this book was ever popular or good, right? I read, read several books this summer, right? Most of them, right, pretty. Breeze through them pretty quick, right? Like a crime thriller fiction, right? So, real nice, real good, right? I just read, for the first time ever, something by Ian Fleming. Oh, right. I read a James Bond book, right? Now? Did I read this book because I found it at the antique store for $1 Yes, yes, I absolutely

Collin  43:50

did complain that much. Am I financially

Speaker 2  43:53

hurt by reading this book? No, I am not right, yeah, yeah, I don't know, like in the pantheon of bond literature, right? I don't know where other people would rank. You Only Live Twice, right? However, as a book, this is not good at all, right? Like it's real bad. I understand we're dealing with some 1964 writing, okay, sure, I don't really remember. I remember this movie also not being that great, right? In the bond pantheon. I think this is like after Sean Connery comes back, maybe, right? I think canonically, this is after the George Lazenby movie, because in this book, it references his wife dying right through. But anyway, anyway, his book is not good, right? Number one, his book is boring. I I don't know how international super spy James Bond book is boring. Boring. But this book is definitely boring, right? Like, it's only 160 pages, and, like, the majority of this book is, like, lead up and talking about doing things, and then you encounter Ernest, Ernest Blofeld for, like, maybe 15 pages, and then the book is over. You're like, what? What the heck, man,

45:29

oh no. What is

Collin  45:31

getting big? Like, Trade Federation vibes. It's very

Speaker 2  45:35

Yeah, but, like, not even good, right? Like, you know, like, you know, at least the Phantom Menace had the duel the fates. Okay, sure. Look right. Everyone also right. Listen in 2025 see George Lucas is right. Trade wars are real. Okay. Anyway, there's but like so, not only is it just boring, right, the prose is not particularly interesting. Bond as a character in this book barely does anything, right? And because this is a 1964 book written about Japan by a British author, it's also exceptionally racist, right? Wowzer. Oh, I

Collin  46:31

that. Oh, my does make it a bit difficult to get through, doesn't it?

Speaker 2  46:34

It's just like, What is this? This is so not good, right? Yeah, it's the one where Bond, like, pretends to be Japanese,

46:50

right? So he's like, oh, like Sean Connery, the movie's like, Yes, I am Japanese,

46:54

obviously. Like, Oh, that's not but the book is even worse. I

Collin  47:04

No, that's shocking to even think that it could be and I don't right,

47:09

it's not good.

47:10

If anybody

Speaker 2  47:12

out there is ever like man, you know these Daniel Craig bond, movies are good. I heard there's some books. Maybe I should read it. No, don't I, at least this one don't freak You Only Live Twice. It's not okay, it's boring, oh and racist at the same time. So don't do that. Right? That's what to give out about about this. I don't know how this was popular. I don't know how people bought this book. I don't really understand, right? If this is like the caliber of like James Bond the books, how was this a movie? Who was like, Yeah, gotta make this into a movie, man. You fuck if this is the caliber of writing you're working with. Why on earth would you do this? That's bad. Oh,

Collin  48:15

and so, where does this fall in the like, Was this an

Speaker 2  48:19

earlier book? Or Yeah, I think so I think it's number like six, maybe, right? I can, I don't know, I can open the book again. I hold on here.

Speaker 2  48:36

Okay, so, like there's a thing here somewhere, yeah, uh, according to the Omaha World Herald, it's a Corker, the action is satisfyingly bloodthirsty, just teetering on the far edge of plausibility. No, that is not that is not true. Buffalo Evening News, a lark of a thriller. What? What? Right? Albuquerque Tribune, if you think double Oh, seven has been in tight places before, wait until you tackle this tour of Japan. Yeah, all those like spas he's just laying in. Oh my, wow. So amazing, awesome.

Collin  49:15

It's interesting to think about that coming up in the context of the hype of everything, right? Yeah, that's yeah. Me thinks that maybe some people were paid off to hype.

Speaker 2  49:27

Yeah. I feel like that's true, right? So I don't know. In inside the cover here, there are lists, 12345678, 11, other books, but I don't know exactly where this one falls in the list here, right? Because this appears to be a bit of a later addition, right? It's just like some janky Signet paperback, like I said they got for $1 but, yeah, it is not. How did this top the. New York bestseller list for five months. What on earth is happening? Probably. Now, I don't know. It's not, yeah, this came out right before the Man with the Golden Gun. Maybe, I don't know. So I don't know. In I don't know if these follow. The same order as the movies or not. I don't really know how this works, right? But they don't, because the first Bond movie was, dr, no, but that's third on the list here. So I don't know. I don't know exactly how this works, but I know this movie is this book. I don't remember the movie, but if the book is also not good, right?

Collin  50:50

Well, did you have, did you read a did you two books that you did, like, this summer, that you want to

Speaker 2  50:56

recommend? Or, yeah, I did. I read a lot, not a lot. I think they're like seven, maybe. But like, I did read, if on a winter's night, a traveler by itello carvino or carvina or whatever. Okay, oh my gosh. Okay. So I do like books that are like weird, right? Sure. So if on a winter's night, a traveler is like, it's like a meta narrative, right? So it's like, not a book, book. It's like a book, right? So the a lot of the novel is written in second person, right? To you the reader. Oh, so there's you the reader, and there's also the character, the reader. Are they the same? Are they different? I don't know. There's also the character of the other reader, which is this girl, right? And it's a book about reading and loving stories and loving to read. Well, that's interesting. It's crazy, right? So, like you, the breeder, which may be you, right, gets a book, and it like the first chapter is in the book, but then there's nothing else in there. There's been a misprint at the publishing house, right? And so you go to the bookstore and you try to exchange it, and they give you a different book, but you look at that book and you're like, well, that's not the book that I was reading. This is a different book, right? Because they explain, like, oh, it's wrong. They like, this isn't if on a winter's night the traveler, this is another book, right? And then the character is like, Well, I still want to read the first one, but I also want to read this other one because I started reading it. So they give you a copy of that book, but it's not the same book that you thought it was inside the thing. So basically, this book is like 10 chapters of like the first chapter of like 10 different

Collin  53:09

books. Whoa,

Speaker 2  53:11

interspaced with in between those chapters, there are these sections of second person narration of you, the reader. Your response to this, what you think about this, what you're gonna do to track down the next sage part of the book and like, how to do all it's crazy, but it's so good, very weird. It's weird, right? Like, it's real weird, but also it's really good, right? That sounds like it is really good. There's one of the first chapters in there somewhere, kind of towards the end, you're like, What in the world is happening? Oh, right? Because they're kind of all in like, different styles and like about different things. And some of them are like science fiction, and some of them are like historical fiction, some of them are like normal, like literary fiction, right? And you're just like, there's one in there somewhere. You're like,

Collin  54:12

what? What's going on? Why is that? No,

Speaker 2  54:17

and I'm sure there's like, a narrative reason that you would put that in there, right about that time, in the story versus, like, the meta narrative about the journey that you're going on to track down these other books and talk to people about these lost languages. And this is a translation, but it's not the right translation of this thing, like, right? But also, there's one chapter where I was just like, what this also could be my literary taste, a commentary on my literary tastes, depending on which chapters I like and which chapters I didn't like, because they're all written in different styles, right? So other people might read that chapter and be like, this is the best chapter, but because this is also a meta commentary on what I like to read. He's a reader, right? The reason I don't like this chapter is because it's not the style of book that I wanted, and it's not the one that I was expecting. You see, you see how this rabbit hole, just like, spins your brain in a very weird direction. Yeah,

Collin  55:16

I don't like it.

Speaker 2  55:19

I did. I thought it was really good. Well, you do have to just like, sit and read it, though. This is not one. You're like, oh, I'll just read a little bit here real quick. You have to, like,

Speaker 1  55:29

Sure. So you gotta focus in a little bit, right? It's not like some of the other thriller, like, if you're just reading like a random thriller,

Speaker 2  55:35

you can be like, whatever. Like, no, no. You kind of got to buckle down a little bit. And this is the thing I was working on this summer that I have, I can't like, in my reading journey. The problem that I have currently is, like, if I get to a part like that in a book where I like, don't I'm not enjoying it, right? I will, like, just start reading faster. Oh yes, right, yeah. Because I'm like, I need to get through this. But then you kind of miss the point, and then you'll be like, wait a minute, what? So I have to do a better job at, like, reading slower, right? Because I also do this thing where I like, reward myself, right? I'll be like, Oh, because, like, right now I have many books that are, like, halfway done, right? And so I'll be like, Oh, I'll finish this. If I can finish this book, then I'll be ready to read this other book that I want to read, because I don't want to, like, I have this thing about, like, never finishing book. I put it off for a while, but I don't need to finish officially. So like, I'll be like, Oh, if I read this, then I can read this other thing, but then that makes me not, you know, pay attention and read well on that one. So like, yeah, you know, it's a thing. Like, sure, sure, yeah. Well,

Collin  57:00

I will, I will add the book that we we finished as a family this this year. Then we'll move on to it, to our current book. We did finish

Speaker 2  57:09

The Return of the King. Oh, nice. Let's go. Yeah, yeah.

Collin  57:16

There was a lot. We had some really good display. There's a lot that's true. Like some, it was some really good stuff. And they were pulling together things at the very end. And I was like, yeah, good, yeah, you got this?

57:33

Oh, man, nice so and

Collin  57:36

I am. It also made me sad, spoiler alert, that the movies don't get it go into the scourge of the of the Shire, I was reminded me of like, oh yeah, that's that's missing. I

Speaker 2  57:51

mean, that's true, but let's be fair, The Return of the King was already long enough. Oh, the movie already has like, five endings. So, yes, like we didn't really need anymore. I can understand, for brevity sake, that where we left. It is fine. It was necessary. It's fine, yes, because really all that happens is it just draws it out and they do the thing, and then they win, and then they fix the Shire. So Peter Jackson just went straight to the shires find the end, right? We did, like, overall in the narrative that kind of extraneous, yeah, in a little bit, right, in the movie story, right? Not in the, you know what I mean, like, so it wouldn't have, really, it would just not change the overall ending. You just made the ending longer, and it was actually more so,

Collin  58:48

yeah, I mean, it was totally fine. It was totally fine. And so we, I know it was just, was good. Felt good to to get through it and everything and and wrap it up. So then as soon as we finished, because one of our employees did a watch through day, and she was talking about it in Slack. I was telling the kids about it. We finished the book, and the Lily says she was, what are we doing next week, on Tuesday? And I was like, What do you want to do? Can we watch all three movies on that day? And then, no, no, it was like, I want to bake llama spread. Whoa, whoa. This is getting a little, looks a little crazy. Here stop,

Speaker 2  59:27

like, if you, if you're gonna watch the movies all in one day, that's all you're doing. You're not baking anything. Noah, I'm sorry to tell you, right, as somebody who has done this, it's not,

Collin  59:39

yes, it is not what you and you barely make it out alive. Yeah, that point, like, I

Speaker 2  59:45

made the bread before the day before, right? And eat it like, oh,

Collin  59:53

man, so that that was our, that was our. Ended our summer. Reading.

59:58

Nice, pretty nice. Nice, right?

Speaker 2  1:00:08

All right. Well, your final sea shanty of the week. I know, right? I know. I know we're gonna, you know, put a bow on it. This is a sea shanty called homeward bound. Oh, ah, okay, see what I did there. Nice. See, nice. This is like a capstan shanty, right, that would sometimes be sung on Navy ships right when you are weighing anchor for the last time for your journey to home port. Oh, right. So that's kind of where it was. Was from here. That's kind of what it was used for. So it's pretty catchy, right, nice, right. Boom, goodbye. Fairly well, goodbye, fairly well. Boom, boys, we're homeward bound. Boom. So there you go. That is the sea shanty the week, Homeward Bound, much like Jim, right? Our boy, who's here? Oh, boy, oh, yeah. What is going on with this? Oh, my, yes, I will say

Collin  1:01:27

I am. I went back too far when I started to read. And so I started to read chapter one from this whole thing. And I was like, huh, this is did something. I missed something. Context here that is way too far. Well, I met chapter this. Mine hasn't broken up each section, oh, into sections, chapters. So I had gone back. So like, technically, like, we're going to start here on chapter four, the treasure Prince pointer, were

1:01:55

you on the enemy camp? That was

Collin  1:01:56

on the enemy camp? I was like, Wait a minute. What? How did we get back here? And I was like, flipping around. Oh, anyway, let me go to the right place. Yeah,

Speaker 2  1:02:06

so the treasure hunt, Flint's pointer, right? We start out, and they are, they're going off to look for this treasure, right? They have the pirates, right? They have the map, and they're gonna go off there. And so they're, they're in a long journey, right? Silver has tied Jim to him, right? I don't know if that's quite what they meant when the doctor said, keep him with you, but he's not taking any chances, right? He's not right, not taking any chances here. So they're going to, they're pretty so far, right? They're in. The pirates are in quite high spirits, right? Because this is what we came here for, right? Although there's only six of them left, right? They're in pretty high spirits, so they're going all off to look for this stuff, right? Does anything else happen, really, before they find the titular compass here? Right? Like, no,

Collin  1:03:17

they're just, they're just kind of walking along looking for something. Is this what they're looking

Speaker 2  1:03:24

for? Yeah, they're looking for the marks, right? Marks we have, uh, some very interesting directions left to us by old Flint. Right? All it says is tall tree, Spyglass shoulder bearing a point of north of north, northeast, skeleton Island, East, southeast and by East. Oh yeah,

1:03:47

what so? Okay,

Collin  1:03:52

now I will say I thought maybe, maybe foolishly, I really thought that this is going to be harder for them to find. Just, like, spoiler alert, like, looking ahead here, but

Speaker 2  1:04:06

yeah, right. Like, you know, they've got this because, you know, yeah, well, we'll get back to that idea in a minute. But like, yeah, they're they just, like, are walking. They basically walk right to it. Right after all this, they walk right to it right, and they're just walking in now we do see, we do, of course, find a marker here on the ground, but they walk straight to that right. They just walk straight to it. And they're like, whoa, that's weird.

Collin  1:04:40

Anyway, let's follow that's what was so bizarre, yeah? Like, I was just like, Man, I can't make heads or tails of this. And immediately, Silver's like, Ah, I could do this in my sleep. I know right where this is. I'm like,

Speaker 2  1:04:55

yeah, how? That's because he has plot on his side. Collin, I don't know if you know. Oh yes, he's got some plot buddy. They do walk right to the again, the titular Barker, which is, of course, a dead guy who is laying out along the Cubs, bearing like as a literal pointer, right? He's laid out straight with his hands up over his head, right? That's the arrow, right? Oh, turns out right. They're like, Oh, hey, I know who this is. They recognize the guy, even though he's a skeleton, right? They make some weird comments about like, he's missing his pocket knife. He would never leave anywhere without his pocket knife. That's pretty weird, yeah? And they're like, that's true, but this is definitely him. It's definitely old Allard base, or Allard space, whatever this guy's name is, right? Yeah, weird name, but like, like, Yeah, that's him. Let's follow him anyway. Yeah.

Collin  1:06:05

Well, the whole thing of like, yeah, it's not natural. It's not natural. And like, I didn't, like, their suspicions are already up. Like, I don't know I was, I was hoping that the that the missing knife would come back into play later. It doesn't, yeah, but whatever, yeah,

Speaker 2  1:06:27

check off knife. It is not right, searching for like, I know right. Come on. Okay, yeah, so we get some more talk about silver and Flint, right, about how you know, maybe you know he's dead and gone below, but you know he sure did die bad, or did Flint and talked about how he died and how he's, you know, a villainous and maybe he's a spirit, hint, hint, right? And then that's just kind of where they're so they're, they are we do get, we do get a little bit of foreshadowing here. We get some lay some groundwork, remembering that these pirates are pretty superstitious folks, right? So we have some of that laid down here with our talk of the dead captain and the talk of this guy here, where the last line is terror of the dead Buccaneer, had fallen on their spirits, right? So they are on edge a little bit, not silver, really, but the other crew are quite on edge at this part, right, which is laying the groundwork for the next one

Collin  1:07:43

boy. Howdy does it late for this? Yeah, this chat,

Speaker 2  1:07:48

right? So again, we're still going. We're still just following the dead guy, and we're talking about how, talking about Flint, some more, about how ugly he was and blue he was. Guesses when he was dying, I don't really know right when all of a sudden, out of the middle of the trees in front of us, a thin, high, trembling voice struck up the well known arid words, 15 men on a dead man's chest, yeah, yo, ho, ho in a bottle of rum, right? I do like I had never seen men more dreadfully affected than the pirates. The color went from their six faces like enchantment. Some leapt to their feet, some clawed hold of others. Morgan graveled to the ground, right? It's Flint, right? Yep. Mary cried, yeah. So we have the the spirit of Captain Flint guarding the treasure.

Speaker 2  1:08:56

Nice. It's more of this, right? Some more of these, like moaning, like exclamations from the wood, right, fetch aft the rum. Darby, oh yeah, right, because they're, like, those were his last words before he died.

Collin  1:09:16

Like, wait, what? Like, really, and me, like, through, through this, silver is trying to keep everybody together, like, his courage is there. He's like, you know, he's like, but it's someone skylarking, someone that's flesh and blood, and you may lay to that, and he's trying to keep people like, this isn't real. This isn't real. This isn't real this whole time. Not everybody's really buying it at this point,

Speaker 1  1:09:41

yeah, especially not old, uh, Dick, right? It's got his Bible right out there, right,

Speaker 2  1:09:47

right away, yeah, um, but, like, weirdly, like all of us, like silver, slightly shook at first, right? It. But then, like all of a sudden, he goes, spirit, well, maybe, but there's one thing not clear to me, there was an echo. Now, no man ever seen a spirit with a shadow. Well, then what's he doing with an echo? To him, I should like to know that ain't natural, surely. And then all of the other crew are like, Yeah, that makes sense. That's yeah, okay,

Collin  1:10:28

yeah, and. And what is like? Would it make an

Speaker 2  1:10:31

echo? And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, totally,

Collin  1:10:36

and. And, as Jim says, this argument seemed weak enough to me, but you can never tell what will affect the superstitious. And to my Wonder, George, Mary was great, really relieved. Jim sitting there like, Well, surely that's not going to make anybody feel better. And immediately George is like, absolutely. It's like,

Speaker 2  1:10:54

Man, I feel great. Now. What? Okay, whatever. It's great, right? That's the other thing. And, like, immediately, yeah, right again, because plot, right, like, Silver's like this part also, I was like, what? How? No, no, I No, right? He's like, come to think of it, it were like, Flint's voice, grant you. But not just so clear away like it, after all, it was like somebody else's voice now, it was like,

Collin  1:11:29

by the powers Ben gun.

Speaker 2  1:11:33

What I remember some dudes voice for, like, a million years ago, yeah, I would even see him forever. You like, oh yeah, that's obviously big gun guys clearly, like, there's like, no and then, and then a bit bit of a little shot at Ben here. He's like, nobody minds Ben Gunn cried, Mary, dead or alive, nobody minds him. Like, Oh yeah, that guy sucks. And

Collin  1:12:00

I was like, Wait a minute. Like, like, if you don't mind him, how did you remember his voice? Like, if he wasn't right, if he's so beautiful thing, I can't tell you what, like, that was so weird. But again, I guess I'm not a seafaring person, so I don't

Speaker 2  1:12:19

know. So anyway, they continue on their way here, and, you know, going over a hill and over Dale and blah, blah, blah. And basically they get to, they get to the tall trees. Yeah, right. And however, so they find the place, they're speeding up, they're getting there. They're recognizing the stuff on the map, right, and it's all good. And we were now at the margin of the thicket because our mates altogether, shouted Mary and the foremost broke into a run, and suddenly, not 10 yards further, We beheld them stop. A low cry arose. Silver doubled his pace, digging away with the foot of his crutch like one possessed. The next moment he had come also to a dead halt. Before us was a great excavation, not very recent, for the sides had fallen in and grass had sprouted at the bottom in this were the shaft of a pick broken in two, and the boards of several packing cases strewn about on one of the boards I saw branded with a hot iron, the name walrus, the name of Flint ship, boom, good, gone, right. All gone. It's gone. Right. Treasure gone. Treasure, no, right, yeah, no, there. Oh, dear, um, so immediately, the next chapter, oh, boy, it's not gone well, um, all the pirates race into the pit, right? And immediately, silver says, Jim, take that and stand by me wait for trouble. And he gives him a pistol, yes, right? Because is it? Silver knows now, okay, you know? Oh no, right? We barely, you know, I barely got them on my side back at the hut. There's no getting them back on my side. Now, no, right? It's, we're over. So this is no good. They dig around down there and they find, like, one, two and yeah, he's like, that's your 700 pounds. Is it right? Or 700,000 pounds? 700,000 pounds? Yeah, I'm assuming this means monetary value, not weight, right? It's hard to tell with British currency. But, like. Okay, right? And, and they accuse him of knowing, knowing that was going to be the outcome, right?

Collin  1:15:12

Yeah, this was, that was interesting, but I it may be because he immediately collects himself so quickly. Oh, yeah, because while he's doing this, Jim, hold on. Jim said, when he, when he gives him the guns, hold on, real quick. He says, Here is a narrow corner. As he as at as indeed, I thought it was basically saying, like we're in a tight spot. His look was not quite friendly. And I was so revolted at these constant changes that I could not forbear whispering. So you've changed sides again. Yeah. So he's silver immediately pivoted to, like, getting me out of this. Like, get out. How am I going to get out this? Yeah? So he's not reacting. He's trying to remain stoic in this. And so obviously they're like, you knew you knew about this,

Speaker 2  1:16:00

yeah, right. You knew it all along. Look in the face of him, and you'll see it wrote there, right? And they all get out of the hole, but Jim notes on the opposite side of him and silver, right? So we have ourselves a standoff, right? Man, Mary, this Mary guy starts yelling, mates, there's two of them alone there. The one's the old cripple that brought us here and blundered us down into this. And the other is that cub, and I mean to have his heart now. Mates, kaboom, right. It's an ambush. Sure is right? Who comes to save the day? Why we have deuss machina of Gary bin gun and the doctor? Right? Bin gun, good old bin gun with a gun. Look at that hired. So they fire at them. They come running down there. They save Jim and silver, right? And, you know, right? And so we get silver groveling, and once again, switching sides right. Immediately, coat is turned so many different ways that we don't know Right, right? So they kind of all get teamed up, and they start going back to thing they decide to accept Silver's tacit like surrender here, because, you know, he did what he said he was going to do, and, you know, Boom, we're there. So we get some backstory here, right? We learn Jim learns, rather that the the, the way this has come about is we, we've learned that the doctor learned from Ben that during Ben stay, while he was just wandering around, he found the treasure, right, which, again, leads me to believe this was not really hidden particularly well. No, like, I if Ben could just, like, find it randomly, you know what? So he found it, and he, like, dug it up, and he carried all of it eventually to his little cave, right? And so they were like, well, we knew that it wasn't important, because we knew where the treasure was. We knew it wasn't here, so that's when we gave silver the map,

Collin  1:18:54

right? This solved that hole in Jim's thinking of like, why did they give this up so easily to them, yeah, well, because it was worthless at that point,

1:19:03

yeah, it was worthless.

Speaker 2  1:19:04

And they wanted to get out of that hut, right? They wanted to go. They didn't need their stores anymore, because they learned that Ben had a whole bunch more food and clean water and it was safer. So when they're like, hey, we'll totally trash this map, if we can leave. And the pirates were like, Yeah, sure. And they're like, suckers, nice, so they duped them basically, right? And it is feel, they do feel a little bit guilty about Jim, but he's like, Jim, you know, you ran off. So like, sorry, but you did that to yourself. As for you, Jim, it went against my heart, but I did what I thought was best for those who had stood by their duty, and if you were not one of those whose fault was it? Hey, hey, Jim, save your shit. Buddy. Okay,

Collin  1:19:58

but buddy. But he's also, but the doctor is also being like, hey, but I didn't know, right? Like, I didn't know what was, what else was I supposed to do here? And I thought it was like, Okay, what, you know, what? Fair, fair. He, for all he knew, like, he he couldn't just sit there around and hope that Jim was gonna be okay, or wait for him to come back, or whatever. Like, you know, I don't know, I was like, I see, but you're all also, you're going, that doesn't feel good, does it like, yeah, it's

1:20:27

like, okay, whatever.

Speaker 2  1:20:29

But at all, but also, after this, right? Is a great part, because we have silver, you know, being turn Cody again, right, changing sides again. Try to butter them all up. Be like, see, I'm not so bad, right? Blah, blah, he says. He says to the doctor, he's like, it were fortunate for me that I had Hawkins here, you would have let old John be cut to bits and never given it a thought. Doctor, oh, not a thought. Replied doctor, cheerily.

Collin  1:21:04

What I love about the rest? He's like, nope. Sure wouldn't have the rest of this chapter. It is constant the next one, yeah, jabs and jibes at Silver's expense. It is fantastic. Like, there's all these little snide comments of, like, yeah, no, no, I don't believe you. Like, they're just they don't care at this point. And I'm I loved every second of it. I was like, Oh, this is awesome,

Speaker 2  1:21:31

yeah, when they get back to, you know, fast forward here, like, oh, and we rode the boat nine miles to the thing. Yeah, um. So they get back, and they see the squire outside of Ben's cave standing guard, right? And he sees silver, and he says, John Silver, because like silver waves at him, and he's like, John Silver, you're a prodigious villain and an imposter, a monstrous imposter, sir, I am told I am not to prosecute you. Well, then I will not. But the dead men, sir, hang about your neck like nil, still, right? Yep. And then he says, silver says, I thank you kindly, sir. He's like I dare you to thank me, cried the squire. It is a gross dereliction of my duty. Stand back, back.

Collin  1:22:31

It's the again, it's the whole time. It's so awesome. Like, yeah, just like not having it, and everyone is so like, up, like, just over his antics and over all of this stuff, right? Like, just they can't even be bothered,

Speaker 2  1:22:48

yeah. And then I think that the captain has a line to where he's like, oh. All he says is like, oh, he says, he goes, Uh, silver says, I've come back to do my duty, sir. And the captain just goes, Ah, ah, and

1:23:07

that's all. That's all he said, Just like, right,

Speaker 2  1:23:11

however, however, the other thing at the end of this chapter, right? We come in right before we meet the captain, right? We come in and we see all this stuff. Jim's describing the cave, right, and he says, before the big fire lay Captain Smollett, and in the far corner, only duscally flickered over by the blaze, I beheld the great heaps of coin and quadrilaterals built of bars of gold that was Flint's treasure that we had come so far to see and that had cost the lives of 17 men from the Hispaniola. How many had it cost in amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfolded, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could Tell. Yet there were still three upon that island, silver and old Morgan and Ben Gunn, who had each taken his share in these crimes, and each had hoped in vain to share in the reward. Oh, I read that twice when I was

1:24:40

like, Oh, dang,

Speaker 2  1:24:42

that's right. Yeah, I hit so hard, right? Jim, just like all of these trials and all of these tribulations, he's like, for this, you know, this is it. He's like, it has this very powerful. Like, realization of like, Is this even worth it? Oh, right, all this suffering, countless others, you know? Yeah, absolutely. What he's

Collin  1:25:09

realizing is, yeah, what started out as this, oh, let's get

Speaker 2  1:25:13

some treasure. He's supposed to be a fun adventure. Yeah, he

Collin  1:25:18

saw what it took to just find it, the fighting, but also now he is realizing the blood that's on this and the countless stories and lives lost just to acquire it, because he saw the first little bit of what it meant to like the how many people are no longer with them, to get hit, to him standing in front of it, and he's going, Oh my gosh. How many lives are lost doing this almost his, almost, right? Yeah, let's not forget, Jim

Speaker 2  1:25:47

shot a guy, and that's the only reason he's standing here now, right, right. We've, we've had, we've kind of, you know, we're kind of, Stevenson is sort of brushing a lot of this under the rug in terms of, like, you know, oh, it's like, you know, kind of happy go lucky adventure. But in this paragraph, right? He sort of lays it out for you, right? Like, here's the real deal, right? But, yeah, it was, you know, you know, swashbuckly adventure, blah, blah. But the serious part of this is the greed required to accumulate this much gold, right? Is not a passive act, right? This was all robbed and stolen from. Who knows how many places to end up here, right? So we don't know how many people died in the taking of the treasure, right? We don't know how many people died getting it here. We know at least six people died burying it, right? And 17 people to try to get it back, yeah, this is a huge casualty number for this gold, right? It's, that's pretty nuts, you know? It's like, at what cost, right? This is Jim kind of realizing at what cost was all this for, right? All this pain and suffering for this. You know, like he has this realization of, like, man, that's, that's deep stuff. That's a good paragraph hit me, like,

Collin  1:27:32

well, because it comes in on this, it comes in at the moment where there should, quote, unquote, should be, like rejoicing, like relief, like it's over, oh my goodness, like people should be celebrating, but we have it now, in contrast to what he's just experienced. And also, like, literally, the captain is on the floor here too, right?

1:28:05

Yeah, we have, like, a visual representation of the cost,

Speaker 2  1:28:09

right? Is feet away. I mean, right after that, when he talks to the captain, he says, You're a good boy, and you're lying, Jim, but I don't think you and me will go to see again, right? Yeah, it's like the captain's done. And he could tell Jim is, like the captain is done, like physically, right from his injuries, right? Jim is done emotionally, right? Like he's,

Collin  1:28:38

yeah, because he can tell, like, this is, this has been a, yeah, this is not what he This isn't what he signed up for. I mean, he signed up for this, but Jim obviously had no idea what he was getting into.

Speaker 2  1:28:51

I mean, he kind of signed up for it. Also, the doctor and the squire were like, Jim will come to and Jim didn't necessarily sign up for it, but he was talked into thinking that it would just be a fun old time, right, just a quick little jaunt over to the Caribbean to, you know, dig up some treasure and then come home. Right? This is not what he not what he bargained for, you know, new. So, so, yeah, that's poof, right. And we kind of get some more of this a little bit. We sneak it in right at the beginning of the next chapter too, right with the the final chapter. And last great name for final chapter, by the way, Mr. Stevenson, excellent. They're packing up right there, there, there, there, having some guard, you know, because there's still three random pirates running around out there. But they're like, we got a pat, we got to get this stuff to the boat, and we're going to leave right so one of Jim's jobs is. To load the loose coinage into bread sacks from the boat, right? So he's bagging up because there's just, like, coins just everywhere, right? And he's noticing, like, it's, it's, it reminds him of Billy Bones his collection in in the sea chest, but just more, right? Because it's like so many different kinds of coins, right? English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, right? All the stuff, right? Um, even ones from Asia, right? Things he doesn't recognize. Um, nearly every variety of money in the world, must, I think, have found a place in that collection? And for number, I am sure they were like autumn leaves, so that my back inked was stooping and my fingers was sorting them out, right? But this comparing the coins to like the dying leaves of autumn is also very interesting sentence here, right? It's kind of like Jim is still thinking about that this death and money go hand in hand, right? Specifically, death and this money, yeah, right, are inextricably linked well, and I

Collin  1:31:32

thought it too of also, this is him describing it as

1:31:36

worthless,

Collin  1:31:39

yeah? Because what leaves? What are they like? They they blow away, they're going to be gone. Yeah, they're just kind of, they're super numerous. So just having all these isn't that much. All I know is that it, it's a labor and a burden to have me right, for me to be dealing with this, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2  1:32:00

yeah. It's yeah, he's he's done, he's over, he's ready to leave, right? So, yeah, they're getting ready to go, up to leave. They hear something about the mutineers. They could hear noises, right? And, oh, yeah, like, they have this conversation about, you know, nobody cares about what Silver has to say anymore, except Ben Gunn, because he's kind of half crazy, so, like, he's, like, afraid of him still a little bit, right? But he the doctor makes a comment about, like, how, you know, you know, they're probably sick. And if they were sick, even though all this stuff done, I would go and help them if I knew where they were. And silver says you're wrong, and the doctor's response is basically, No, you're the wrong one, right?

Speaker 1  1:33:01

You're the man to keep your word. We know that another shot like,

Speaker 2  1:33:14

great. So they have decided, right, like, they're like, they much decision. They're like, we're gonna just leave them here. We're not, you know, we're gonna maroon them on the island, much to the glee of Ben gun also, right? He's like, Yeah, so they're not gonna worry about this. They are gonna leave them some stores, right? And stuff and and then they're just, they're just gonna go. They're done. They're not gonna worry about it. They're just like, whatever. I'm out. So they they do, they just leave. And they did say, the three fellows must have been watching us closer than we thought, for as soon as, as we soon proved for coming through the Narrows, we had to lie very near the southern point. And there we saw all three of them kneeling together on a spit of sand, their arms raised in supplication. So they're begging to come. And everybody on board, especially the captain and the doctor, are like, yeah, no, we don't believe you. So they're like, there's food over that way. Uh huh, go for it. And they shoot, yep, at the boat. They shoot at Silver, which, you know, fair, but like, also fair, yeah, they shoot,

Collin  1:34:39

they miss. And then they kind of spend the rest of their time

Speaker 2  1:34:45

ducked. Yeah, they just duck out right after that we kept undercover of the bulk works. And when next I looked out, they had disappeared from the spit, and the spit itself had almost melted out of sight in the growing distance. Mm. That was at last, the end of that. And before noon, to my inexpressible joy, the highest rock of Treasure Island had sunk into the blue round of sea, right? So we just have more. Okay, I really like that part, right where Jim is just like this. We can't see it anymore, and he's just so relieved to be away from the island. He's just so happy, right? Like, Ah, finally, yeah, he's just because, again, it's,

Collin  1:35:40

it's, it's, it's a world that he was exposed to, right? And and he knows now the the true depravity of what it costs and what it takes. And he's like, yeah. He's just like, oh, I need to be as

Speaker 2  1:35:52

far away from this as possible. Yeah. And then we get to compare that too. They they sail for the nearest port in Spanish America. So, you know, we're not quite sure where this is, but Right? We get his like immediate relief at seeing civilization, right? Yes, we're immediately surrounded by boats full of other people, right? And lighting fruits and vegetables and lights, right? Yeah, the sight of so many good humored faces, the taste of tropical fruit and above all, the lights that began to shine in the town made a most tar charming contrast to our dark and bloody sojourn on the island. Right? He's just like people civilization, oh my god,

Collin  1:36:46

yeah. It's just he's so nervous, he's so happy. It's everybody who he's been around has just been except for his little the ragtag crew who's still around is like horrible human beings. And he just has to be like, yeah. So it's like, oh, man, this is great,

Speaker 2  1:37:09

right? So they, they leave Jim and the doctor this wire, maybe they like, leave the boat, because they're, they're basically like, Okay, we're gonna need some more sailors, because there's, like,

1:37:24

not enough people to get us home.

Collin  1:37:26

He mentions that they are exhausted, yeah,

Speaker 2  1:37:29

from then, doing all the work, right? Yes, basically six of them, right, doing all the work. And so they, they, they met the captain of an English man of war, and they're basically gonna borrow some of his crew to get back home. He's okay. So this is what he did here, but when they come back, dun, dun, dun. Ben Gunn was on deck alone, and as soon as we kick because Ben's not leaving this boat, right? He not getting off the ship. He knows, last time he got off the ship, he was left on the island, so he's staying which is kind of funny, but he says the silver is gone, yep, right, the sea Cook had not gone empty handed. However, he had cut through the bulkhead unobserved and had removed one of the sacks of coin worth perhaps three or 400 guineas to help him on his further wanderings. I think we were all pleased to be so cheaply. Quit of him. I love which I love that I

Collin  1:38:52

it's, that's an interesting statement, because you also have to think of what Silver has also cost them. Yeah, yeah, in a non monetary fashion, yeah? Like, I know, like, this is just a, oh, my goodness, okay, if that's what it takes to just be rid of him. But again, this like to be gotten rid of him that so cheaply, quit of him. Like, cheaply. Here we're talking about finances and Guinea, yeah. Also, this was a very, just costly excursion for them. Cost, you know, lives like it just, it was an interesting way, like, period to our time with silver of like, and that was cheap to get rid of when it really wasn't like, it was really a horrible experience for everybody. Yeah, I mean, summed

Speaker 2  1:39:44

up nicely in the fast forwarded paragraph here, right? Oh, yes, five men only. Yeah, those who had sailed returned with her Drink and the devil had done for the rest with a vengeance, although, to be sure, I. We were not quite in so bad a case. There's that other ship they sang about with one man and her crew alive, what put to sea with 75 but close, right, close, you know, all right. And then we just have a bit of a summary here about what happened from the result, right? Captain small, it is retired.

Collin  1:40:23

This is the post credits montage that's happening here. Yeah,

Speaker 2  1:40:27

so, so Captain small, it's retired. He's done. Gray is the one that turns out the best here, right? Our boy here that we talk he's got the real character arc, right? Talked down from the beginning, right after the Apple Barrel incident to joining this side, right? He survived all the things with his share of the money. He's studied a new profession. He owns a boat. He's married. He has a family, right? He's, he's, he's, he's the one that really wins out here. He really turned, turned that, yeah, so he turned this into, he's the, he's the one I think that has the best ending. Well, Jim, we don't know exactly how to Jim, but, like, he's probably all right too. Um, did it great? So good. Um, he lost the got 1000 pounds, and he spent or lost it all. And, oh, it

Collin  1:41:21

was it was 19 days, because on the 20th he showed up asking for more,

Speaker 2  1:41:24

yeah, so he was given a house, and boom, there you go. We don't really get anything about the doctor or the squire, so we just assume they go back to doctoring or squiring wiring, yes, but if silver, we have heard no more that formable seafaring man with one leg has at last gone clean out of my life, right the There we go. And then the last bake. Here was interesting, like the bar silver and the arms still lie for all I know where Flint buried them, and certainly they shall lie there for me, oxen and Wayne ropes could not bring me back to that accursed Island. And the worst dreams that I ever have are when I hear the surf booming about its coasts, or start upright in bed with the sharp voice of Captain Flint still ringing in my ears, pieces of eight, pieces of eight. Bang as a good ending, right? That's pretty strong, right? We know that Jim is happy to be done and quitted of all the things, right? He doesn't look fondly on this time at all. He is over it, and he is happy to be back home. We get nothing else really about what he's doing, but we know that he's just glad he is not there on the island anymore. He does not like it, which, to be fair. You know, this is a lot of trauma, and he can be forgiven for not wanting to be involved or there anymore, right? I

1:43:24

and you're gone, sad face, where you go?

Collin  1:43:29

Haha, sorry. I clicked mute because I was coughing and okay, I was reading what as you were doing that, and I was thinking, and then I started to talk, and

1:43:38

then, ah, it's still muted.

Collin  1:43:42

So all that was golden. No, here Jim is saying again, like, no, is also dead to me, it is gone because he says, like, they shall, like, yeah, where Flint buried them and certainly they shall lie there for me, certainly, yeah, I'm not going back to get those. I'm not going back to that life. I'm not doing that. And this, like these nightmares, like the condition of him after just this one. And then, like, I have to swing back to our introduction to the old sea dog at the Admiral Benbow in chapter one, and how he describes this guy and, like, our relationship with Him. There about, oh, sorry. What was the name? Sorry, the name of the guy at the beginning the Billy, Billy. Yeah, Billy, Billy. Like, what a horror, what a horrifying condition he is, what he's trying to drown out, what he's trying to recover from and deal with, and whatever, whatever, whatever. Like, yeah, you see the like, like, there's a loop there.

1:44:46

There's a bit of a loop there, right? We can hope that Jim doesn't fall into

Collin  1:44:49

this loop, no, but yeah. But like, Ben has for sure. Ben has for sure. And it's just interesting to be like, here we see Jim, like, I'm not going back to. In that. But we can definitely see another path where Jim does go back to it, and why is Billy like the way he is?

1:45:09

Jim experienced it all the stuff that he's seen, and had to do,

Collin  1:45:11

yes, right? And had to do to just survive, and had to do in these circumstances. And I know it was just very interesting. Just, I was thinking about, like, where, because Jim's relationship with that life, and now, like, he's been it, done it one time, and as the captain said, we're done, we're done with this, and we're gonna move on. So it was, yeah,

1:45:37

it's really, uh,

Collin  1:45:41

in, I mean, it doesn't start as in the most like, light hearted book, yeah, 15 minutes. But it doesn't end on, like, the happiest of

Speaker 2  1:45:52

notes. No, we there's some wild, like swings of like theme and like mood, I guess. But like the mood swings, like, sometimes we're like, real happy go lucky, right? And like, fun adventure time. And other times we're like, very serious and like, very introspective, right? Like, the part where he's talking about the money, right? And about how the squires, like, may they all hang on your neck as millstones. Like, Oh, fine, right? Cool. And you think about like, Jim talking about the money and how how intertwined it is with death, right? And then you think about like, he's talking about this pile of gold, right? But let's not forget that the other guy's name is silver, silver, another monetary, currency, also very intertwined with death in this whole thing, right? So we, we get this, like, kind of split thing. Like, a lot of the stuff he's saying about gold and the treasure, the things it does to people, he's also talking about launch on silver, right? Like, sure he can also apply all those things to him, yeah, right, because he's like, the embodiment of that ethos, right? All the terrible things that it brings are wrapped up in him, right? Yeah, not just because he's like, so directly involved with this Horde, right? But just because of his life experiences and his pirating ways, right? Like, that's him, that's what you turn into, sure, right? When you go down this and you think about all these terrible things that people do for this money that's embodied in Long John Silver, right? He's like the personification of that, the horrible greed that happens there, you know? So on one hand you have this, like, very like, deep critique on, on that, and the other hand you have like, we're going to sailing, right? So it is a very we get mixed messages sometimes through this book. Oh, yeah, but I think that that is definitely,

Collin  1:48:15

could almost be from the perspective of Jim and how we're

Speaker 2  1:48:18

because he's such a such an outsider, such an outsider, right, right? And just like Tony, Oh, got him,

Collin  1:48:29

and how, how you're right, how it is all, it is confusing, and it does kind of whiplash back and forth, back and forth as you go through that because of Jim kind of figuring out what, where he falls in this, yeah, but he's, like, trying to process it, right, yeah? Like, over the course of the book, though, you see Jim processing more and more in one very real direction, yeah, right. And that's, that's the growth that he has. Of, there's no more swing of, like, man, that silver guy though, like, man, he's pretty cool. And, like, look at this stuff. And we're adventuring and like, yeah, oh yeah, rule following, and we got to do this stuff. Like, he's really picking his path through this.

Speaker 2  1:49:10

Yeah, we can definitely see his arc from, like, naive, like, oh, but he can't be that bad, right? Nobody is that jolly. Can be that horrible. To at the end, he's watching him change before his eyes and going like, oh, slimy Little Earth

Collin  1:49:28

done. He's over it. He's like, I hate this guy. And he's not, yeah, it's again, fair, fair, right? Fair, Jim, fair, like all Yeah, 100% on this with you. Yeah, yeah, it's okay. You're allowed to hate. We will Yep. All in favor say aye. Second, oh, man. So yeah, it's a man good one. Yeah, so good we go. Do you want to get overall thoughts? I did. I did enjoy this overall it was fast to read, and while confusing at times, I'm just going to chalk that up too. It's, I'm not from there and that from that time of Jesus, the be all, end all.

Speaker 2  1:50:22

I mean, to be fair. But if you could have started this episode with some cheese, would you have? I would have, actually, they go meet same

Collin  1:50:33

fire, something in either, because I don't have a cheese story.

1:50:37

Find some for next

Collin  1:50:40

week. I also, again, there are some weird parts, and you're right, like plot does cover, and there's a lot of protection here for the plot because they don't have plot coverage, or they do have plot coverage. And so therefore that is so there are things like that. But for a and I still, the growth, I think, is much subtler in this for Jim than in some of the other stories that we've, we've, Oh, definitely like, this is very like. This is very under Tony and so, so that part is like, if you're not paying attention, you do kind of miss that. But it is just as powerful whenever it lands, like when you by the time you by the time you get to the gold, like, we just experience it's like, yeah, that's a sledgehammer to the chest. Yeah, it really

Speaker 2  1:51:28

is. It's a very different gym, saying that, since it's then the beginning of the book, Jim, right,

Collin  1:51:33

right? And I think that

1:51:34

too of

Collin  1:51:37

because everything is such a subtle shift. Like, you're right when you compare gold gym to front beginning gym, completely different people. But it's like, when did that shift actually take place in the story? Like, kind of hard to tell. Yeah, there's no for me. Like, there's no one. Aha, that's the pivot point right here. That's when Jim really came around it, no, because it each time, it's just like, oh, this, this decision a little bit this way, yeah. And that's what, that's what makes it very well done, from my perspective of by the time you hit that, like, you understand, you get it, it makes sense, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2  1:52:16

There are a couple of milestones, right? Like, I think the first one is definitely, like, the Apple Barrel, sure, right? I think the other big touchstone is shooting Israel Hands, right? That's, that's kind of the other big one, yeah, right? Is that That's another moment where he's faced with, like, oh my goodness, what am I doing? Like, all of this for like, all this we have to go through, right? We're in this crazy situation, right? So I think those are some the like, the two big ones that kind of stand out, and we don't always, like, address them after we've happened. Nope, right? Nope. Like, we don't get along, fall out, yeah. But those are some points where, like, after he those things happen. There are some shifts, right? Where you're like, and he is like, different

Collin  1:53:08

and I and I think that's, that's why it is subtle. Those events are very stark, but we don't get the he doesn't go to a friend and talk about how hard

Speaker 2  1:53:18

it was, yeah, they're very spaced out too, right? Those, that's the other thing, right? Yeah? Like, yeah, yeah. You don't,

Collin  1:53:24

yeah, and you don't, you don't hear he doesn't have an internal dialog about long, protected chapter about how he's processing it. You just get, like, event, and then we've got to move on to something else, really. They

Speaker 2  1:53:37

just get little hints, like, I'm not jumping in the water over there, right? Yeah, like, because there's two dead guys in it, even though the water just on the other side of the boat is the same water, right? Like, I'm about jumping on top of them, right? I mean, because, you know, the way that Jim is telling the story, it's like, after the fact, right? He's like, you almost, like, this is almost him, like, sitting around the table, like telling you about this, like, later, you know, like, it's kind of what it's like. And so he's, he's hinting at some things, but he's not giving you all the information, right? That's kind of what our our narrative situation is. Like, I feel like he's not, he's not. He's not telling you everything. He's not telling you all the feelings, right? He's just telling you around around the table, maybe at the admiral Bimbo, we don't know, right? But that's kind of it. He's telling the story, but he's leaving out some nuances, probably because he may not be processing them. Now, you know what I mean, like, because of dealing with that after effect too, right? That's how bad. This is a very traumatic experience. So like fair, again, fair, Jim fair,

Collin  1:54:59

so. Yeah, I'm, I'm excited about i I'm glad that we read it, and me too. Yeah, that's good, cool. So

1:55:08

start thinking about your

1:55:10

winter reading. If you want to do winter reading again, right?

Collin  1:55:13

I've run across, hold on. I don't need to stall for time here. Who? Oh my gosh, I have a

1:55:19

figured you might be ready to do Frankenstein finally, right? It's much more wintry, right? I feel, oh no, oh, I thought I had

Collin  1:55:33

whatever. I'll figure this out. That's right. If you have a list somewhere, I have a list somewhere too. Just everyone saw read something like, Oh no, no, I was, I was I was looking through my, my, my book list, and I came across Ernst Hemingway, winner, take nothing. And I was like, yeah, that's, this is winner. This is perfect.

1:55:51

Oh, dear. Oh, dear. It was

Collin  1:55:56

his. It was his. It was what he wrote after A Farewell to Arms. Okay. Anyway, I was like,

1:56:03

just keeping the train going there.

1:56:07

Have a think. Have a think about that. I

Collin  1:56:09

was trying to add some some books to Lillian's e reader, and I was typed in H, and it just pop populated up. And I was trying, and that one came up. I just had, I just started laughing, because, like, Oh, perfect, the perfect winter novel. Yes, it's a compendium of multiple short stories, but the title is not confidence, and he went here,

Speaker 2  1:56:39

yeah. So we'll have a think if you want to do that one again, too. So one again too. So all right, so I have a haiku for you to end on here, right? If you don't know what to write a haiku about, because this is the Midwest, you know, you just pick the weather, yeah, right? What you gotta do? It's on brand right, absolutely crackling underfoot, desiccated by the scorching August days. Man, there we go, nice, right?

Collin  1:57:20

I feel like he wrote this at a recess.

1:57:23

I wrote it yesterday. After I caught back in for taking traffic, I stepped on the grass. It was like, good grief what?

1:57:37

Oh my gosh.

1:57:39

Sounds like you're walking on, uh, sunship bags. Very like,

Collin  1:57:45

constant. It's constant. We have, we have, it's good one. It's good. I definitely, I'm definitely there with you. We have these two ferns on our front porch, and I'm just like, dumping water on them constantly to try and keep them alive. I'm just, like, just a little longer, barely hanging

1:57:59

on. Yeah. That's a little longer. Oh, well,

Collin  1:58:04

I think, I think the the temperature, though, it's supposed coming down, supposed to only 80s in the next week only. Wow,

1:58:14

do we make it through tomorrow? I know. Just make it through tomorrow.

Speaker 3  1:58:19

Fine. Yeah, cool. Okay, well, good. I like it, yes, yeah.

Collin  1:58:31

Well, we'll look forward to that and start working on our should start already our winter reading.

Speaker 2  1:58:40

It's not winter yet. Here we go. I know. I know. I mean, like planning for it. Oh, we can plan. Yes, planning is good, as we know, sometimes we forget to plan.

1:58:50

So

1:58:52

forte, it's fine.

Speaker 1  1:58:53

Yeah, we can start planning for that. We'll start planning. It was time to do some hunting and

1:58:58

possibly gathering.

Collin  1:59:01

Maybe we'll see I don't know. Who knows? Okay. Well, the mystery will have to wait until next time. Oh yeah,

1:59:09

good. Okay, love you. Let me do Bye.

1:59:12

I think.