Collin coded. Brandon historied. Ender ends the game.

Collin coded
Secrete Hawaiian Diner
Main Street Joplin
Joplin History and Mineral Museum
https://www.joplin-museum.org/
Wackiest pianos ever seen
National Cookie Cutter Museum
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/national-cookie-cutter-historical-museum
Secret Fourth Museum
Whoops no hardhat
Chapter 14 and 15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NG024Twmv0

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Endless dark expanse
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Hunted by laplight

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Collin 0:05

Welcome to Oh Brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts Brandon and Collin on this week's show, Secret Fourth Museum. Ahoy, ahoy! How's going? Pretty good. How are you? I am well. It is back to being hot after some storms, bad storms. So we are right there. We're doing

Brandon 0:33

well. We just had hot. We had like rain a bit. Okay. What if it was only hot though? No. We

Collin 0:42

have been having the like, it's sweltering, and then the storms pop up, come through, and then it gets sweltering again. Ah, not a refreshing rain. The best cycle. Wait, no, it is certainly and cycle. It is a cycle. That is true.

Speaker 1 1:04

One of the things that could happen, like that's true. Yes, of all of the weather

Collin 1:11

type events, this is the one that we are currently experiencing.

Speaker 1 1:16

Well, that's not different at all. Yeah,

Collin 1:20

I had an experience this week of this is Collin's corner of lyrics I didn't know I knew.

Speaker 1 1:32

Yes,

Collin 1:33

okay. I don't know how many times this happens to you where you hear a song and you're like, "Oh man, I haven't heard the song in for ages. Who even sings this? And then as the lyrics start, you say, "Oh, that's right. I know every word to the song, and I don't know where this is coming from. So Brandon, yes, Brandon, this year or this this week, I was getting born in the state of Mississippi. Oh, Papa was a copper, and her mom was a hippie. I was a

Brandon 2:02

hippie. That's true. Why do I know

Collin 2:04

the song by Red Hot? Why do I know Danny California? Help, help me, please.

Brandon 2:11

Because it was like on the radio every two and a half seconds, like when you were in high school. Yeah, this is this also, Brandon. My first

Collin 2:22

thought when I heard the song this week was, "Man, this is this is an old song. And then that's true. Yes, it came out in okay. So it starts with a two, which already doesn't make me feel good. But 2006 Yeah, it's

Brandon 2:39

kind of my thought. Yeah, I go full on

Collin 2:42

20 years this year. We're celebrating this. So all I gotta say is California rest in peace. There you go. But yes, this is that. So I may, I may, if I if I can remember while I am driving around to take notice of the songs that I am subconsciously singing, I will try and make this into more of a corner. Moving, I like this. I

Brandon 3:09

like this. We could merge this with the segment I was thinking about: songs that have been stuck in my head this month, the end of month wrap up for random songs that appeared in my brain for no reason, and are just there. So maybe we can merge these things here. I think there's

Collin 3:28

definitely a way to merge these. That's for sure. You think we could even do it live on air, where you think of the random songs and then we sing them and see if Collin for some reason knows the lyrics. Oh, there you go. I like this. Yes, yes. So sorry, my computer is saying, "Hey, I need to update something.

Brandon 3:52

Not now. Later. Calm down.

Collin 3:56

Later. Later. Later. Oh my goodness. Oh, but no. So that's what I've been singing, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and that is that's about all I've been doing this week. Unfortunately, but nice. Yes, yes. I've been driving a lot. Been making the the trip from. Gee, I wondered why. Where could this go? This will come to play when we get to the book we read. By the way, but I have been driving, so every day I've been I've been making the the normy commute from my town into Columbia. Like this is my normie commute now. Total normal. You would be surprised the number of people who make this commute, and I actually

Brandon 4:42

no, I bet I wouldn't be that surprised. It's probably a large number of people.

Collin 4:47

Uh huh, uh huh. And here I am, right along with them, driving one of them.

Speaker 1 4:54

Yeah.

Collin 4:55

But I have been following people along. I've been meeting people and pet. And it's been fun. I have learned that. Oh man, so many lessons of Columbia this week. Oh

Brandon 5:11

dear, what isn't it that is? One

Collin 5:15

of them is that AT and T, my cell phone provider does not work well in Columbia. I don't know who you use Columbia. However, if it's eight, it's not AT and T. This is what I can tell you. Secondarily, their lights are very short. Really, real short. That's

Brandon 5:37

not a very Missouri situation. No, like

Collin 5:39

no, no, it's normal. You need to.

Brandon 5:41

The Missouri norm is 80-five years for a yellow light. That's how it works, right? Like it's yellow for days. Yeah, and then it's like okay.

Collin 5:52

You see it change, and there's anyway. No, this one is like I am sitting in there. I am three cars back. There is one car, two car. I am three car right here. Two three car, and I'm barely making it through lights. Right, like these are like green, yellow, red. That is, I feel like the length, and I'm not okay with this. So I don't know. I'm trying to not get a ticket or into an accident, but this is. Is

Brandon 6:18

there okay? I just now came up with a hypothesis about this. Is there a large number of like truck traffic, like semi traffic through the places you're going?

Collin 6:29

Not, you know. Sometimes, you know, the places I am, they are. They tend to be a lot busier. Yeah. To be more heavy, like there's a lot more traffic. So I, I think it is just their way of like they they are not expanding the roads. I think what it is is that they are just going. We're just going to move everyone a little bit around. Just going to cycle fast, like bam, bam, fast cycle fast. Because I don't think if I think if you watch this, if I was a scientist that studied traffic, a trafficologist, and I looked at this. I think you would observe that each section, each direction, has equal flow coming from it. It's not like like north south is like the heavy flow where everyone gets that one, and we keep the lights long there. I think a lot of these that I'm interacting with are like everybody's everywhere, and it's a lot. So I'm also anyway. So that's that's those are my two my two takeaways from this week. I'm learning to get on it whenever you are at a light,

Brandon 7:34

yeah,

Collin 7:34

and to not rely on your phone because it's not going to work. Because I don't wear Columbia apparently, just not, and I'm like, that is actually a major problem.

Brandon 7:45

Yeah, for a mobile service business,

Collin 7:48

you know, you know. Oh, and I wait. I spent some time. I spent some time in the office, which was

Brandon 7:57

on the go,

Collin 7:58

which was fun. Oh, right. Yeah,

Speaker 1 8:00

office. I

Collin 8:01

have. I have an office that you've

Brandon 8:03

that

Collin 8:03

I have acquired. A

Brandon 8:05

second office. I have a

Collin 8:06

second office. This one is even worse than the other one because there is. This is literally carpet and concrete walls. There's no furniture. There's nothing there, and so time to

Brandon 8:21

Facebook Marketplace a desk. I have.

Collin 8:24

It's like I have an hour and a half. Do I think I can source something here?

Speaker 1 8:31

A table, like a folding table. That's all with some chairs.

Collin 8:34

I just, I just need a chair. Actually, Brandon, I don't need chairs. I just need a chair. So this

Brandon 8:42

is. I think it should be folding table, old wood folding table, and then like none of the chairs that you put around it should match, right? Like this one's a metal folding chair. This one's an old random dining room chair. This one's just a rickety chair, like an old like like old leather wing back here on next

Collin 9:03

one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brandon 9:07

This one is like a fancy old dining room chair. This one is like a kitchen stool. Like yeah, that's what it should be like. That's what I need to do. Very good vibes there. Like

Collin 9:16

so, this is this is obviously number one priority on my list. Megan will be thrilled to learn that I have come up with another thing to distract me from my business.

Brandon 9:28

Oh yes, yeah, she'll love it. She's gonna love it so much.

Collin 9:32

Wasn't it? She's like,

Brandon 9:34

did you take care of all this stuff? You're like, no, I bought a table. She's gonna be like,

Collin 9:37

Collin, stop, Collin, stop! This is like on on one hand, it's like this is the perfect like this is what my like hyper activity attention deficit is like built for of a million little tiny moving pieces for me to follow and keep track of. On the other hand, I'm learning that I still. Have capacity to get distracted by things that aren't important at all. So it was like, what did I? Oh, I um, we. I started. I have. I've coded something for the first time because I was like, look at you. I'm techno collin. Here we go. I did. I did use the help of some artificial friends to to help me learn my code here. But what I coded was a thing that would look at my emails because every time we send a client report, it goes to our email because we get a copy of it, and we've just been like looking at it, checking for spelling errors. Did they give the medication? Blah blah blah blah blah. And then we we file it away. Well, we have a bit more of those coming to my inbox these days. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I can't. So what I what I did was I I with the help of this and a wonderful YouTube, I made something that will look at the emails, compare it against the known client notes, and then tag me, send me an alert if something is broken, or something if somebody didn't give medication. So I don't have to like be poring over the text of every single one. Have to like

Brandon 11:22

manually review just like keyword,

Collin 11:24

just kind of keyword kind of like did they did they medication did they spell the pet's name correctly, this kind of thing, and of course once I unlocked this this superpower, I was like you know what? But I was like, you know what? What? What else can I? What else could I apply for this to you? What could I do with this? So there were days where it was like 1140-five at night, and I was like, I think I found this other thing. And Megan was like, I do appreciate your enthusiasm with this. I need you to not right now.

Brandon 12:03

Need you to go to bed. What are you doing? Stop! Stop! You could

Collin 12:06

actually just turn the light

Speaker 1 12:08

off.

Collin 12:09

That'd be schman tastic. So yes, I had well because then I was like, oh, with the same thing, what I can do. So I was like coding this thing, and what it would do was every morning it would pull a weather report, and it would compare against like some of our weather standards, and give tips that I could write out and like pre-script to give to the team for like, don't forget to hydrate today, and like don't forget sunscreen, or like check this weather, forget the

Speaker 1 12:37

jacket, guys, this

Collin 12:39

kind of stuff, right? And then, but that one kind of went off the rails because it it kept pulling the wrong weather, and then it was like, oh no, giving weather for like random places, and I was like, ah, well, I then of course now I've got a bug that I need to fix, so then I've got to like scraping through the, and then yeah, oh, pest,

Brandon 13:02

no, that's not how that works. Yeah, just abort and start over again, right? Like that's not.

Collin 13:06

He was like, leave it, leave it, leave it, Collin. Fine, fine, fine, fine.

Brandon 13:11

Just table that one for later. Like we'll deal with that at another point in time.

Collin 13:16

So yes, but yeah, between yeah, that's man, that's been my my week. I think I think it's been my week. It is it is Friday. My goodness,

Brandon 13:30

it is in fact Friday. That's true. I I learned that today.

Collin 13:36

Yeah. How's how are you? Are you are you just completely lost in the timeless days of summer,

Speaker 1 13:42

yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah, yeah. I have no idea what day it is. I don't know. Yeah, we went on a bit of an adventure this week.

Collin 13:50

Ah, yes.

Brandon 13:52

So we have adventure review for you, right? I will tell you why why I sent you a picture of a random desk.

Collin 14:00

I, you know what? I just was just letting. I was letting things happen. I wasn't going to push.

Brandon 14:07

We had some friends that wanted to go to Joplin, right, for a thing. So we went went to Joplin, a place I never go.

Collin 14:16

Why? Yeah, right. Did they did they know what was in Joplin? Well,

Brandon 14:20

it would become clear, but side note: we had to eat first, so we decided to eat at random place in Joplin. Collin, yo, if you go to Joplin, you should definitely go to the Hungry Monkey. Oh, because oh my gosh, Megan could-it's like Hawaiian food. What? Right, secret, secret Hawaiian diner in Joplin. Okay, called the Hungry Monkey Island style eats. Yeah, so we vetered way over to the other side of town. For our adventure, and I went to Main Street, and I have not been on Main Street in Joplin for like a billion years, and there's like a lot of stuff over there now, which is interesting because that's not true a long time ago, right? So we just kind of cruise down Main Street, and Susan had found this place online. Was like, we should try this because one of my friend's husband, he's like a like he only eats like certain things. Part of it's like health, but part of it's just like he works out like all the time. Oh sure. So, but like big Hawaiian pokeball thing on the list of things that he can eat right now. Okay, we had some. It was kind of weird because they had like poke bowls and like fish and vegetables. I got the loco moco. So mine was like a big place, like gravy and rice and egg. Oh yeah, what's up, guys?

Collin 16:01

That sounds really intense. Like I don't know.

Brandon 16:05

No, it's not really that bad. It's like Hawaiian style. Normally, it's supposed to be like hamburger or something, but they put their Hawaiian style pork on

Collin 16:12

it. So it's like

Brandon 16:13

rice, Hawaiian style pork, like a fried egg, and some brown gravy.

Collin 16:19

Okay.

Brandon 16:20

Yo, holy cannoli, and so good.

Collin 16:23

Sounds really good.

Brandon 16:25

So good. It's some like macaroni salad. Oh yeah, and they also have spam masubis. So did I order one of those too just for funsies? Yes, yes, yes. And it was great. So we ate some of my random Hawaiian food in Joplin, which was not on the bingo card at all, but it was pretty stinking good. But then, Collin, we took a journey to the Joplin History and Mineral Museum.

Collin 17:04

I'm sorry, the Joplin History and What Museum?

Brandon 17:09

Yes, Mineral

Collin 17:11

Min Joplin. Okay, that that kind of is it the history of minerals or is it the history of minerals in Joplin? Like what?

Brandon 17:21

The second one. So it's this is a it's over in Schifferdecker Park. Schifferdecker Park. That's a word that's hard to say. You know what? Like it's it's it's tricky. And so it's this museum, and it's got three sections. Really, it's more like two and a half sections, but it's said three, so we'll go with three, right? The first, we'll call them wings, even though that is a bit ambitious of a sentence, right? Because the first wing of the building is the history of Joplin, right? So it's got it starts like Civil Wary stuff. There's a little bit of that, a little bit of like it's just kind of like pictures of early Joplin stuff about important people. There is a lot old furniture in there from like important people's houses, including a couple of the wackiest pianos I've ever seen in my life are in this museum, right? There's like a cookie cutter museum. There's a whole little section, like the cookie cutter National Cookie Cutter Museum, is a little section in there. By the way,

Collin 18:36

where you can get national cookie cutter.

Brandon 18:40

Yeah, yeah.

Collin 18:41

How many museums? I was not expecting that. Well,

Brandon 18:44

four apparently, because I forgot about the National Cookie Cutter Museum. Is like it's about the size of just like a small room, just kind of like on the side. Like you know how when you're like an antique store and there's like a booth with stuff in it, it's like oh yes, yeah. But it's like crammed full of like the oldest cookie cutters you've ever seen, and cookie cutters from every state, and like there's just a basket of free cookie cutters that you can just take. What we take one one per visitor to give them to you, like I am.

Collin 19:20

I just looked to the. I am on the Atlas Obscura, and I have learned that it features nearly 10,000 vintage handmade in a

Brandon 19:30

little teeny

Collin 19:32

novelty cookie cutters. What is this? Yeah,

Brandon 19:38

and it's not big. It's just like a small section, and there's just like a billion gutters in this little thing.

Collin 19:47

It's yeah, it's the Brandon. You will be surprised that it is described as the only museum of its kind.

Brandon 19:55

I am not surprised. So there is just a secret. Fourth museum in here, right in the corner, and then there's like a little aisleway thing, and it's got like stuff about the the desk. That thing, that desk I sent you was in the I can't remember the name now, like the mining surveyor office, right?

Collin 20:20

Oh, oh. So I have like put all the sample stuff in all those drawers. Yeah, yeah,

Brandon 20:24

yeah. And there's like scales, and there's like a blueprint making machine with like this giant light bulb thing in it. Right. The assayer is off. That's the word I was looking for. Bam. And then there's like an a section that's like old school, like diner, drugstore stuff. There's the end. It's like one of the famous building hotel things in Joplin, which is actually a hotel that Scott Joplin used to play at. Right. Boom. Rag time it up. Rag time. Go. There's there's a section about like, I think it's like the African American history of Joplin, like the schools and stuff like that, and like famous people. And then there's of course the Bonnie and Clyde section, right?

Collin 21:13

Boom. There's a little Bonnie

Brandon 21:15

and Clyde section there because you know they shooted all the police in Joplin and then ran away. And then in the back there is a a part about the job tornado. Oh,

Collin 21:29

okay.

Brandon 21:30

And then also a random old fire truck, like that's been restored, like with the wood runner boards and like the no roof and like all this stuff. There's like a small, like old school fire department section back there. So there's a whole fire truck just in this building.

Collin 21:50

That's cool.

Brandon 21:52

Yeah. So that's part one and two, right? We have the the history of Joplin asterisk, also National Cookie Cutter Museum, stuck in the corner. Stuck

Collin 22:06

in the corner.

Brandon 22:06

The other wing, the second wing, it's just a hallway, but it's like Route 66 stuff, you know, just like things and signs and trinkets and stuff like that, right? It's not like the biggest thing ever, but it is one whole hallway. They have got like the big map on the wall, and just like little cases with just like stuff, like hotel memorabilia, like gas stationy ephemera, that kind of stuff, right? And then the main event is the is the third and final wing. This is the mining wing, the history of mining in Joplin in Southwest Missouri.

Collin 22:47

Oh,

Brandon 22:48

complete with like massive, like mineral samples, right? Like huge, like big. There's like they. They, I don't think I took any pictures of these, but I'll steal one from their little website here. Like, there's just huge rows of stuff of all the minerals and things in like cases, cabinets, and like here, like this, these like. this like giant block of like galena, right? That's like to other things, and all all the minerals that they mined in the area are there.

Collin 23:35

Now, what were they mining?

Brandon 23:38

Mostly galena lead. Like I can't remember the name of the other one, but like some like irony stuff, but like galena lead zinc, that was the big deposit there. So there's like these massive, and there's some other ones in there. So it's cool. It's got like all this stuff you can like look at it real close. There's like magnifying glasses on there. You can see all the mining tools, and it talks about like the miners, and it's got a bunch of pictures of the mines and the miners in there. There's a big history about like the use of mules in mining and the mules not like being in the mine.

Collin 24:18

No,

Brandon 24:19

it would get like because they would send them like they had a problem with figuring out how to get them back out of the mine to graze because when they came back up they couldn't bring them back up in the daytime because they freak out because it was so bright outside.

Collin 24:42

Oh, interesting!

Brandon 24:44

They would only bring them to the surface during like the new moon.

Collin 24:48

Oh, wow!

Brandon 24:51

Yeah, to like rotate them out because it was like even on like the full moon was too bright for them, and they would like spaz out. And there's like these weird. There's this weird picture of them like pulling the mule up by this harness from the mine hoist, which is insane. It looks so unhappy.

Collin 25:10

That is crazy.

Brandon 25:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like early 1900s mining, right? Like the old, old, old hypey stuff with like just like the flames on their head, right? Like not even the acetylene thing. They'll just like no, here's fire like on your brain. Like

Collin 25:29

enjoy your

Brandon 25:29

hard hat is just a hat. Like whoops, not even

Collin 25:33

whoops, whoops, not no hard hat.

Brandon 25:36

Yeah, not even not even a hard hat, just a hat, right? Like, um. So the downstairs part's got all all the. There's a whole section with like mining tools, like the drills, right, and all the crazy stuff. And then upstairs, they have a secret upstairs that has like a giant like model dioramas of the mines. What? So like, you can see like of like the surface mine bits, like what the buildings look like, and it's like all labeled. Like here's the where it was brought up, and here's the conveyor, and here's the separator thing, and like all this stuff. So there's these big, and it's like it's not just one. It's like during different time periods. Like, oh, this is what it looked like around like 1920, and then like this is what it looked like earlier, and then this is what it looked like later, kinda right?

Speaker 1 26:34

Yeah,

Brandon 26:35

it's awesome. And then there was a whole section that was like, oh, here they had this really cool wall that was like the names of minerals, and then like stuff that you find it in like products, like soap and like detergent. Like where it actually ended

Collin 26:51

up right now is

Brandon 26:52

yeah, where it ends up like yeah. What do you use box side in? Alumina cans and etch a sketches, right? Like that's what.

Collin 27:00

Okay, fair. You know what? I wouldn't have guessed that. You know, that's what.

Brandon 27:04

Okay. Okay. Yeah. So it's really cool. Like, it's a pretty sweet museum. It's so sweet. The fact that asked the dude is like, "Hey, do you uh do you do school field trips by any chance?

Collin 27:20

Yes. Do do they do they?

Brandon 27:24

They do. He's like, dude, absolutely. It's like sick. I'm gonna call you later. We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk later because this is a way easier to get to the Titanic Museum. It's. not quite. It's about the same size, but there's like more stuff in there. But he said they do like tours. They'll like do stuff if you bring kids there, and all that. So, and it's in the park. So like, you can just like we could just go park afterwards. So this is why I'm going to pitch to my teaching team as soon as I go back. Like, hey, I have an idea because it is in Schiffer Park. Like, just about a couple 100 yards away is like a covered picnic area and a playground. So,

Collin 28:14

like, you know, yeah, this is, and then they can run around before we get back exactly.

Brandon 28:24

Yeah, and it's only like an hour away. Yes, like however long it took it to get to Branson, which is like super on the sketchiest roads ever. Sorry,

Collin 28:34

not good, not good. No one wants to be in Branson.

Brandon 28:37

So this one we could take the interstate. Wow, amazing!

Collin 28:41

Golly gee. Oh, I know. Would you know? How about that?

Brandon 28:47

Yeah. So this is I'm going to present this to the my my teacher friends when we go back to school. Just be like, hey, hey, guys, I got an idea.

Collin 28:57

Dude, that's so good. But

Brandon 29:00

it's really sweet. There was lots of cool stuff in there. Really, lots and lots of minerals. So I was like, "Heck yeah, let's go! Like stuff about mineral format. So it's very sciencey, right? It's just big field trip, right? It's wonderful. Be a beautiful idea.

Collin 29:19

Yeah, I think that's fantastic. I look. I think you should do that.

Brandon 29:25

Yeah. So it was really cool when I did go upstairs though, and I saw the giant model of the Maya things. I was like, "Oh, no, it would like this. What's up? Like it?

Collin 29:34

Yes, he would.

Brandon 29:41

So yeah, so that was pretty cool. That's all we did. That might have been Wednesday if I did that. That might be right. Could be right. Yeah, I think that's right.

Collin 29:53

Well, I think that's that's way more exciting than me learning that stoplights are very short in Columbia. I don't know.

Brandon 30:00

No, I mean it's right up there.

Collin 30:02

It's

Brandon 30:03

okay.

Collin 30:03

It's all right. No, it's fine. Don't worry. Well. Well. Hey,

Brandon 30:18

you know who is worried? Ender. Yeah. Ender.

Collin 30:23

So, Brandon, I read the first half of chapter 14 with my old reader, and then yeah, this week got a bit crazy and out of hand, and so I says, "Oh, I'm in the car a lot today. I'm going to listen to this book on the audio version, okay, to help me good plan speed through this. Well, I don't know because I don't know if these two chapters were the ones I needed to be listening to on 1.5x. Oh, okay,

Brandon 30:58

that's fair. Because holy schmoly, especially the end of 14, it's just kind of like oh surprise, and then 15 you're kind of like wait, what, what is okay okay what

Collin 31:13

yes so I do have to shout out the ender game, sorry audio book free YouTube. I googled Ender's Game audiobook free YouTube, and I came across. Did you? Did is this one you listened to? HM. Do we ever talk about this? But

Brandon 31:30

I did. That's what I did for Great Expectations because, like, sometimes I would read them like right after we recorded, and then like the day before we recorded, I was like, "Wait, I need to parse what in the world that was. So I would like read it and then listen to it again later because I was lost on a couple of those chapters.

Collin 31:52

Well, I came across. I just forgot

Brandon 31:53

which ones were which.

Collin 31:54

I came across HM Friendly on YouTube. Oh, he his audio version is 10 hours long, so he earned he earned a subscriber today, and apparently he does a lot of these things where he will narrate certain things. He does a lot of video games things. So anyway, I agent friendly. It's a it's his link is in the show notes here for the people.

Speaker 2 32:23

Oh, boom! Let's go.

Collin 32:24

There you go. But we started chapter 14 as Ender's teacher, teacher, teacher. Yeah.

Brandon 32:36

So, so yeah. This chapter is a lot. There's really two halves, right? Like the first half is like a lot of the same thing, and then the second half is like, like. So we yeah we do start off with inner like on on doing the computer stuff, right? He's like practicing the things. Basically, like he starts off very small. He's just like controlling like the fighters.

Collin 33:16

Yes,

Brandon 33:16

you know, this is what he's doing. And then when you do really good at the fighter, you like go up to like squadron leader, right? And then like you control the four fighters at one time, and then it like as as you master these levels, you keep going up and up and up and up till like the the top. top is like fleet commander, where it's like you're in charge of everybody. So you like start small, and you like figure that out, and then you go up to like you go up in stages. Apparently, there's 15 levels here, but you know. But so that's that's the part where he's with Graf. It takes him. He's like there for like a year ish, right? That's kind of what we say here, I think. And then he does get a new person shows up, right? Well, this is a person who's just like awkwardly sitting in the floor,

Collin 34:24

and this is after Graf or Graf Ender confides in Graf that the game is boring, and he's winning all the time, and nothing new happens. Yeah, it's

Brandon 34:36

easy, right?

Collin 34:38

Easy. Yeah, yeah, yes. So that's so he's like, hmm, okay. Next day, boom, old man sitting on floor in bedroom.

Brandon 34:48

Yes, who doesn't talk? He's just like sitting there, and the door is locked, and Ender can't leave.

Collin 34:56

Yep.

Brandon 34:58

So Ender obviously thinks this is some. Of like, test.

Collin 35:02

Of course,

Brandon 35:03

right, and it is right.

Collin 35:06

Of course, everything is a test.

Brandon 35:08

So it's like weird thing happens. Yeah, because everything is a test, obviously. But like this weird, he like he's just doing things in the room and like ignoring him, and like he walks by him or whatever, and the dude like reaches out and like grabs his leg,

Collin 35:24

yes,

Brandon 35:24

right, and then he like backs up or whatever, and then he doesn't do anything else. He that's it. He just like leaves him alone.

Collin 35:37

Yep,

Brandon 35:38

and then a guy like flings at him like kicks him really hard and knocks him down.

Collin 35:44

Attacks him. He's mad that

Brandon 35:46

Indra didn't like kick him in the back of the head. Yeah, like you know whatever. And then we get the reveal about who this person is, Collin. Who is this person?

Collin 36:03

Jeez, it's none other. This took me a little while to wrap my head around, but this is another than our Mazer dude. He's returned.

Brandon 36:15

Yeah, this is Mazer Rackham.

Collin 36:18

Mazer,

Brandon 36:19

right?

Collin 36:20

Rackham.

Brandon 36:21

Yeah. Now we explain why he's still here through some like fast as light travel shenanigans, right?

Collin 36:32

Well, it's it's theory of relativity. Basically, what happened here?

Brandon 36:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like he, they put him like as soon as the battle was over, he like went on a ship, like he went out so far a certain amount of time, and he turned around and kicked back, and like for him traveling at that time or whatever, the only seemed like he was going for like a few years, but on Earth it was like the 70 years, right? So we have some some relativity shenanigans here. Right, Christopher Nolan would be very pleased, right? This is the plot of Interstellar. I've never actually watched that movie, but like this is pretty much plot of Interstellar where he's gone for so long. Right, it's just Matthew McConaughey shouting things and whatever.

Collin 37:29

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Brandon 37:30

That yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go.

Collin 37:31

I did it.

Brandon 37:32

And so they're basically like, "All right, I'm your teacher now, sucka. I now be programming the computer, so you have to beat me.

Collin 37:45

Well, and he said, "Oh, yeah. He says, "Yeah, there's a long tradition where an older student and younger student pair up and learn from another and teach everything. And and he's like, "Yeah, but you're not a student. He's like, "You can. You always should be a student, you know. Like it's very, you know, whatever. And they like have a weird attack in the back where he he hurts him, and they smile, and they're going to go off, and they're going to they're going to be challenging one another now. But he also warns them like, I'm going to push you to your limits. You're not going to. We're not gonna be easy on you. It's gonna get hard, right? I've I've seen other people break. Yeah. So don't don't. I'm you know. Hopefully you're made of better stuff.

Brandon 38:30

True. Um. And then he he kind of reiterates the thing that Graf told him about the the way that the buggers communicate with each other, right? The like hive mind nature of the being that, and so he shows him the unedited version of the battle footage from back in the day

Speaker 1 38:55

of his attack. Andrew's

Brandon 38:57

yeah yeah. So Andrew kind of tells him that he figured out most of it already, and he's like, "Oh, okay. Well, I'm gonna show you anyway.

Collin 39:04

Yeah, it's like, "Well, maybe.

Brandon 39:07

And what they now discover the reason that Mazer was successful is because he attacked the queen's ship, right? Like that was the battle strategy. He attacked the queen's ship, and then everything else went away

Collin 39:27

because he was able to. And so, like which ship had the queen by how they were moving around it, and basically Lart knew that she was directing everything from that one central yeah,

Brandon 39:41

and they Ender kind of figured out by watching it, like it's very. It was very subtle, but they could do that, right? And it's kind of like what what this battle comes down to, like when they're talking strategy, is that the. The way that it is going to work, right, is it's basically like the buggers have the queen controlling everybody.

Collin 40:11

Yes,

Brandon 40:11

right. But the human forces are kind of set up like Ender's Battle School Army, where there is all these commanders that are able to think independently and react independently. So that's kind of like the the dichotomy here. Like on the one hand, you have one group that like controlled by one person, and that one person is in charge of every single detail. Where on the other hand you have Ender, who is like going to be commanding elites, but then each fleet, all the way down to each fighter, has an individual person in it responsible for making decisions, and that's kind of what they talk about a lot here. Is like that,

Collin 40:57

yeah. Well, he says like right, so they can they can respond faster, but they can only do kind of like one thing at a time, which is where and there's no creativity.

Brandon 41:08

They can't like yeah, the the humans can respond in like unexpected weird ways to whatever they're doing. Like it's a less coordinated, but also more surprising, right? That's what Mazur says. Like that's kind of how he won, is because he was able to be like surprise,

Collin 41:26

ha! Like yes, yeah, because he got in there. Yeah,

Brandon 41:30

ta-da! So we get that. We talk about. Oh, and. and he tells him about the secret weapon, the doctor device.

Collin 41:47

This one is actually really funny. I oh

Brandon 41:53

yeah, yes, I thought it was funny. Ender apparently doesn't understand the word, but like it's some kind of like. It like disrupts molecules. This thing-it's like some sort of like molecular disruption thing. We hand wave this away because Mazur is the one explaining it, and he's basically like, "Well, I'm not a physicist, but like, yes, it does this.

Collin 42:19

And this is such a brilliant move to have somebody do the explaining. So, okay, I will say last two chapters much better writing than the rest of the entire book, but that's beside the point. This is a great move. That's because

Brandon 42:33

things are happening, actually happening, and

Collin 42:35

like it's actually like very sci-fi here in a little bit. But what I loved about this was this was a great way to explain something that is very hard to explain and might not actually have technical reality, but to have it explained by a person who isn't like who has no technical details, right? He's just like I don't know. We just use it and it'll blow stuff up. Like, what a great way to just kind of yada yada your way through that without it being like because in another version of this, it would be Ender sitting down talking to the inventor of this machine that was out on Eros and like all this stuff and how they were going to like where it came from and the there there that that version does exist where they they try and explain it specifically. I like this one where it leaves it up just like a yeah. Anyway,

Brandon 43:23

that's true, and it it is helpful that it's like yeah. Anyway, it tears molecules apart. Boom. Anyway, oh, and it like chain reacts. Right, that's the big important thing for totally not foreshadowing for later.

Collin 43:38

Oh, and did we mention so sorry, Ender is walking around and he feels like this entire place is like he doesn't like the feeling of being an eros. It doesn't feel oh yes nor normal or natural to him, and so he's always like he doesn't feel comfortable and he mentions this a couple times. But anyway, sorry. So we're he's he's living there like we said like a year, maybe two years at this point? I'm not sure.

Brandon 44:05

It's a little over a year, I think, because he says like after a year, that's when Mazur shows up, and then like things kind of go pretty quick after that, right?

Collin 44:14

Yes,

Brandon 44:15

like boom, um, and so then we have. Let's see. I'm trying to chronologically figure. Oh yeah. So then he's like, okay, you're gonna have some commanders, right? He's like going to introduce them to the commanders or whatever, and he's like, well, I wanna. He's like, do I get to see them? Right, like, and he's like, oh, I don't know, blah blah blah, and then he's like all worried about the people that are gonna. He's gonna be in command of because he's not gonna get to talk to them and see them. Well, and everybody like, oh, right, it's fine. Don't worry. Yeah, he's. Like I won't know them, so I won't know what they're good at, and I won't know how to command them. And he's just like, "It's fine, don't worry. Yeah,

Collin 45:08

he's like, "I wouldn't. But

Brandon 45:09

yeah, I wouldn't worry because it's fine. Because turns out it is all of his homies are there.

Collin 45:24

Yes,

Brandon 45:24

right. Like,

Collin 45:26

turns out

Brandon 45:27

it's like it's it's Ollie and it's Petra and it's Bean and it's Dink and it's like crazy Tom or whatever. Like,

Collin 45:40

yeah, the

Brandon 45:41

bunch of other dudes like they're. It's them, so they're also gonna be there being the squadron leaders, so that he now feels better because he knows he can rely on them.

Collin 46:00

Yep,

Brandon 46:00

right. Like he's like, ah, okay. And then there's some practicing, you know, blah blah blah, more battle practicing. And then he also mentions a couple people, and I'm like, who's that? Like, did we talk about these people? I don't remember. I don't remember that guy. No, don't tell. I remember Hot Soup. Yeah, I vaguely remember Carn Carby. He was one of the like leaders for like the Rabbit Army or something. I don't remember. Wait,

Collin 46:31

wasn't Hot Soup the older guy that he got soup with? I don't know. That was like it's all we're playing against the the other people, man, like wasn't he the

Brandon 46:42

maybe I don't know

Collin 46:43

even know I just don't

Brandon 46:45

I don't necessarily remember who that is

Collin 46:46

no yeah when they called it's like oh good old hot soup here we are like hot soup what hot soup why who's what is that I don't know same same

Brandon 47:00

yeah yeah um anyway. Anyway, we get some like practicey stuff, and it gets like super intense, right? And they're doing okay, and like. Let's see. Yeah, it it like ramps up pretty quick though. He they do some practice. They're getting some things

Collin 47:30

done. Oh, and this is where they're like playing. They're they're warming up, working well together, and then Mazer says, "Okay, now I'm going to be programming the computer. Yes, I'm going to be making this, and I'm not going to let up and let you know. Like, like you're not going to be able to defeat me because I'm better than you, and and you're going to I'm going to make you lose, and um, but I'm going to be programming everything, and they're going to learn once you do something. I'm going to learn from you, and I'm going to show you things you've never seen before, and don't be you know surprised by that.

Brandon 48:03

Yes, and so it hots up real quick, right? And does make a mistake, right? He he keeps using several of the same people like over and over again because he knows that they're the best, and he wants to rely on them for the good results. But like Petra, kind of breaks, right? She like has this thing where she like gets messed up, and she overextends, and it's a whole deal, and she almost like screws everything up like real bad, and it's it's tough, and so she well cracks, and then Ender's like, "Crap! Now I can't use her at all because I've messed up. And then he starts like rotating it because they're doing like little things at a time, right? So it's like, "Oh, this time we need only like three people. This time we need like eight people, like four people, right? And so he's he did make the mistake of he he admitted that he was using like the same people over and over again.

Collin 49:06

Yes, yeah,

Brandon 49:07

and wasn't giving them enough break in between, and so that that that didn't go good. And he is like not sleeping, right? He's having these like crazy dreams, right?

Collin 49:26

Really, but he's not sleeping.

Collin 49:29

Yeah,

Brandon 49:30

yeah, they're really messed up, and he's dreaming like really weird stuff, and he can't, like he can't sleep at all, and he's like really sleep deprived, and he is-it's messing with him, right? Like a lot. So, but it keeps going, right? And it keeps going, and they're just like having all these battles, and some of them are good, and some of them are not great, but they win anyway. You know, until he like goes out for battle one day, and the command room is like completely full,

Collin 50:13

packed

Brandon 50:13

of people.

Collin 50:14

Well, this is after he's like, is this before after he was like biting his hand and he was bleeding and he was like,

Brandon 50:20

that's right after that. Right

Collin 50:21

after. Okay, yeah, he's not sleeping at all. You're right, and yeah, and he's like, I can't go anymore, and it's just like, well, we gotta keep going, and no, no rest, and you know, oh, oh, doesn't he? He he tells, isn't there? Is this before? Wait, is before this where Ender goes to Mazur and tells him about his dream, of like that he yeah, and that's right before this too, right before right, and and obviously you know Mazer's like didn't know you were afraid of the dark, and I'll leave a light on for you, yeah, and he's kind of you know continuing to push him, and Inder was was genuinely this is the most vulnerable that Inder had ever been I feel like with any adult up to this point,

Brandon 51:04

yeah, because he's like, I'm afraid I'm going crazy, right? Like these dreams are wild, and I'm not sure if I'm me, right? And and Mazer's like, oh, don't worry about it, it's fine. They're just your brain coping with stuff. It's fine, blah blah blah. It's like it's been grueling.

Collin 51:20

Oh, right, these sorry. Sorry, because he has this thing where he's like, "You won't fail, Ender. Not early in this course. You've had some tight ones, but you've always won. You won't know your limits yet. Oh, and he said, "Ender's trying to figure out like what happens to the ones who fail before. Okay, what happens? And he's like, do they die? Oh yeah. He's like, no, no, good heavens, it's just a game. And he's like, I think, I think Bonzo died. I dreamed it last night. I remember the way he looked. Like he's really going through a lot. His

Brandon 51:52

dreams are very vivid, right?

Collin 51:54

Yes.

Brandon 51:55

Um, which is a hint we hint about. I picked. I realized what was happening here for later, right? But like we understand later why, right? And I figured it out. So like a suspicion.

Collin 52:12

What about okay? Okay, we'll come back to that. But yes, we're so yes, he's going crazy, and he shows up, and there's everybody in the room, and this is his last test. Oh, and also,

Brandon 52:20

also right before this is whenever he's talking to Bean, and Bean is like, you know, the game is not quite as fun as it used to be. So grueling. It's like hours. So

Speaker 3 52:31

like, yeah, the

Brandon 52:33

battles are hours long. Even like passes out, right? He passes out at one point and smacks his face on the ground. You know, so. that's when he's having dreams about the battle school and the buggers dissecting him and Peter and Valentine. It's just all this like insane stuff, and so he does wake up and he's like, "Oh, you got to go, got to practice. And then he goes out, and it's completely full of all these people. Like all the generals are there, like whatever, and he's like, "What's going on? He's like, "Oh, this is your final.

Collin 53:06

Final.

Brandon 53:07

It's the final exam after this. Um, yeah, and so he's like, "All right, fine. He's like, "You can be petulant all you want tomorrow, but right now you got to do this.

Collin 53:20

Uh huh. Right now, we just need to do this one thing.

Brandon 53:23

Yeah. And Ender is tired, and he doesn't want to play the game anymore. And he asks the question. He's like, "Hey, does the doctor device work on planets? Yeah. And they're like, "What? He's like, "He's like, does it? And they're like the guess, and he's like, "Okay.

Collin 53:44

Well, didn't Graff say something like, "like

Brandon 53:53

Maser says buggers never attacked the civilian population.

Collin 53:57

Yeah, yeah,

Brandon 53:58

and because he's like, there's a new thing in this simulation. There's a planet. Yeah. There's like, okay, all right. He's like, I can't remember the last time you give me a battle. Only one new thing, so we'll see what else is up to here. And they go into the thing, and there's just like a bazillion thing. He's outnumbered like 1000 to one or something like that. It's nuts, right? He says his his his wariness turned to despair. Right, it's not, yeah, it's not great.

Collin 54:34

Yeah,

Brandon 54:36

so he's got a couple starships, and he there's more hint here about what's going on, right? But he, you know, he's like, "Well, dang it! So he says, "Remember, the enemy's gate is down. Yeah, they just all started laughing. Well, because

Collin 55:01

it hinder

Brandon 55:02

laughed too,

Collin 55:03

because he didn't know what to do. He realized he felt he they're starting, and he realizes that everyone watching him they don't they don't they realize he's he's at a loss. And then doesn't Bean you said Bean says said something that kind of jogged his memory. They kind of had it at the same time of like, oh right, this is just like whenever we had the multiple armies, and I was you know da da da da da around me. Yeah,

Brandon 55:30

that's what he's thinking about. He's like the time where they rigged the game against him. Yes,

Brandon 55:34

because he's thinking. He says like, okay, in the final battle school, he in the final battle in battle school, he had won by ignoring the enemy and ignoring his own losses, and he had moved against the enemy's gate.

Collin 55:45

Yep.

Brandon 55:46

You know, and he says, "I'm not going to let you beat me. I don't care if I follow the rules. If you can cheat, so can I. I won't let you beat me unfair. I'll beat you unfairly first. Yeah. yeah, and he says, "If I make the rules, maybe they'll never let me be commander. It would be too dangerous, and I'll never have to play a gay again. That is a victory.

Collin 56:13

Yep, right. So, so ready to be done.

Brandon 56:19

Yeah, he's he's done, and they like he's they battle a little bit. He sees that the enemy is like respecting his advances and stuff, and then he like the ships break off and they dive towards the surface and they just annihilate the planet with the doctor, right? Well, and he keeps

Collin 56:51

thinking during this time. I wonder how the computer is going to show the simulation

Brandon 56:58

hole, right? Yeah,

Collin 56:59

because this is so much. I don't know if they expected this. So how are they going to know, like, how to simulate what's going on? Because they wouldn't have expected this. Because it's going to be so. It's so crazy. And he keeps. He's just trying to figure out. He commented on that several times. Of like, I wonder how they're going to show what I'm doing right now.

Brandon 57:17

Yeah. And it like blows the planet apart. It blows apart all the fighters. It blows apart everything, right? Yeah. His ships, the enemy ships, like everything is like gone. Um. And then he takes his headphones off, and he turns around and like everybody is like crying, and like some of them are kneeling on the floor and praying. And Ender Ender doesn't says Ender didn't understand. It seemed all wrong. They were supposed to be angry, right? And Raph comes up to him and just is like, "Thank you, thank you, Ender, and he's like, "What are you talking about? What are you doing? And Mazer Rackham comes out, and Ender goes, "Ha! I beat you, and he goes, "Inder, you never played me. Yeah, and and so Ender is now pissed because they lied to him again,

Collin 58:24

again,

Brandon 58:25

right? Yeah. So basically, what happens is that ever since Mazer said he was going to take over, right? It it was actually not a simulation anymore.

Collin 58:39

Nope.

Brandon 58:39

Right. Ender was in battle for realsies. For realsies, right? So there was no maser, there was no computer program.

Collin 58:47

Yeah,

Brandon 58:48

right. There was only actual battle.

Collin 58:53

Yep.

Brandon 58:53

Right, and so Ender like can't really cope with this, and he just sort of goes.

Collin 59:04

Understandably,

Brandon 59:05

right?

Collin 59:05

Understandably,

Brandon 59:07

yeah. And so now he is like really angry because they tricked him, right? Again, they tricked him, and he's like, yeah, he's like, they're like you're a hero, Ender, and he's like them all, didn't I? And he's like all who asked Graff the buggers. That was the idea. And Mazur comes and says that's what war is for. He's like all their queens. I killed all of children, all of everything.

Collin 59:41

Well, and then because it comes out later where he's like, there were soldiers on those; those were real ships with those real soldiers. Yeah, yeah.

Brandon 59:50

He killed his yeah his own troops. Troops died. Yeah, and he's mad about that. And they're like, they knew it was going to happen. It's fine, and they still did it, Ender. You're

Collin 1:00:00

like, no, that's not supposed to be a thing. Like, duh, yeah,

Brandon 1:00:07

yeah. He says you didn't, you didn't want me. You wanted Peter. I'm not a killer, but you made me. You tricked me.

Collin 1:00:15

Yeah.

Brandon 1:00:15

And Graf responses, it had to be a tricker. You couldn't have done it. It's the blind. It's the bind we were in. We had to have a commander with so much empathy that he would think like the buggers, understand them, and anticipate them. So much compassion that he could win the love of his underlings and work with them like a perfect machine, as perfect as the buggers. But somebody with that much compassion could never be the killer we needed. Never go into battle winning, willing to win at all costs, right? If you knew, you could have done it, right? If you were the kind of person who would do it, even if you knew, you could never have under you could never have understood the buggers.

Collin 1:00:57

Yeah, yeah,

Brandon 1:00:58

right. So. So, Mazer said it had to be children because they're more, they're like reflexes are faster and and whatever, right? He says I'm too cautious, you know. Everybody, we needed daring, you know,

Collin 1:01:15

something, something, yeah.

Brandon 1:01:16

And then again, he says I'm mad because he's I was ordering pilots to go in and die, and I didn't even know it. Like, but they knew it, Ender, and they went anyway.

Collin 1:01:25

Yep.

Speaker 4 1:01:26

Brandon 1:01:29

he's mad that they made him like this perfect weapon, and he's really upset about it. Well,

Speaker 1 1:01:33

and and he had he's like, leave me, leave me alone, leave me

Collin 1:01:36

alone, and and that he had no agency in this, right? Like that he had no choice in this, and and all along, Ender has been screaming for choice in his decisions. Choice to not fight, right? Choice to not be cornered. If they would just do something else, they wouldn't have to do this. He's felt every step along the way that he has had no agency in his fights or in his life, and this is just another thing where he didn't have that choice. And as they plainly say, basically, yeah, because if you would have had the choice, you wouldn't have made it. And so this is all just a game.

Brandon 1:02:26

Yeah, and he said also we to put you in lockdown now because now that the bugger situation is done, like the situation on Earth is hotting up, and we there's Russians on here, and so we need to get you away from them because they might try to attack

Collin 1:02:46

us. Yeah, everybody wants you to either and lead right everything.

Brandon 1:02:52

Yeah, so everybody wants him on their side, and so he like in a very Victorian twist, right? Much like Pip, he like becomes ill and sleeps for a long time. That's the yep.

Collin 1:03:10

Brandon 1:03:10

becomes feverish and sick from all the stress, and and like like Pip in the Victorian Times, goes to bed for like a week, like sickly.

Collin 1:03:25

He's in and out of fever. He's basically getting an IV put in. He's listening to voices. All this stuff.

Brandon 1:03:36

Oh, oh my God! It's nuts. It's for about five days, right? He slept through the whole league war apparently, which you know, yeah, it's nice for me as a reader that we didn't have to deal with that. No, but somebody, he like feels somebody coming up on him, and he turns around and like grabs him, and it's Ollie, and he's like, "Ah, all right. He's like, "Ah, I see you're feeling better. You were trying to kill me. He's like, "Yes, but that's I thought you were trying to kill me. And so they figured out they're like, oh, it's fine, everything's fine, blah blah blah. It's over, and then they kind of tell them about the Earth situation and all this, and oh, it's fine. The the pact is that there's some geopolitical shenanigans here. They've agreed to some. The Earth has agreed to something called the Lock proposal. The what? What? Right. Um, the the the IF is staying. The Warsaw Pact Marines are going home. I don't know. So there's been peace. There's been a peace deal brokered, right, on Earth, and now it's we're officially over, and that's it, right? Well,

Collin 1:05:24

yeah, yeah. Because and all the

Brandon 1:05:27

kids basically, Petra is like, so what? What do we do now, right? Well, we have we have a bit of a Hemingway situation, right? Like, what is what do do now? Like because Indr that we do is not there anymore.

Collin 1:05:44

Yeah, well, and it's made clear that Indur is wanted by everybody and has basically all he has to do is say the word, and he has millions of people who will follow him. And so, what does Indur want to do? And then there's like I don't I want I don't I want to go home, but also I can't, and so I don't. Yeah, I'll just I'll just be here. When when did you figure out that it was not a simulation?

Brandon 1:06:17

Um. Well, like I didn't figure it out until the very last battle, right when they were talking about how this time the the doctor device they were using was older and not as good as the more the newest ones they had earlier, and they had the older ships, and I was like, oh, oh, oh,

Collin 1:06:42

yeah.

Brandon 1:06:43

Okay,

Collin 1:06:45

that's so funny. Staggered. Yeah, that's exactly whenever I came across it as well, because I was listening and driving, and all of a sudden I'm going back and forth, and I'll, um, um, and I go, oh, like I actually paused it and went back a couple bit, a little bit, and was like, oh, oh, because I, you know, it's one of those like, well, what, what would they, like, like oh, there's always going to be one more than one thing that it's going to be different for you in the yeah in in the game. It's like okay, well, is this a different game? But the way they described it, I was like, no, no, no, unfortunately not.

Brandon 1:07:36

Yeah, it's pretty nuts. So that's kind of why I forget. I also we also forgot to talk about. I can't remember where it was, but like we find out why Ender doesn't feel comfortable in the Eros thing.

Collin 1:07:45

Oh, right! In

Brandon 1:07:46

here, at some point too, right? Like, I don't remember where it is. So we're talking right now. Like, it's Ender doesn't feel comfortable in there, and it feels wrong because it was built by the buggers as their advanced outpost thing,

Collin 1:08:02

yes,

Brandon 1:08:03

right,

Collin 1:08:04

and

Brandon 1:08:04

and so like it was built by them for them, and so it's like kind of not quite right for like human proportions and human stuff, and that's why the rooms are kind of weird and like it doesn't feel normal is because it wasn't built by people, and so they took this back over from them during the invasion, and then turned it into their like forward command post, right?

Collin 1:08:32

Yeah.

Brandon 1:08:35

So yeah,

Collin 1:08:37

yeah, yeah, and and oh, and that was actually how they learned about them about the the buggers because they were like, huh, something weird like this thing disappeared in the asteroid belt. Oh yeah, because they

Brandon 1:08:51

painted it with the like a light absorbing thing, whatever. Yeah, and

Collin 1:08:53

so they sent a the ship out there, and then the ship was attacked. But because the buggers couldn't think of other transport communication methods, yeah, it was basically live stream back to Earth, and people watched the massacre on the ship, and they were like, "Oh, well, that's a problem we have to deal with.

Brandon 1:09:10

Yeah, like that's not good, dang. Yes, so there you go. So there we go. Boom. That is that brings us to our final chapter, Chapter 15, Speaker for the Dead, which is not coincidentally the title of the sequel book for this. So I think that tells you something about what's happening.

Collin 1:09:42

Think so.

Brandon 1:09:44

Yeah, yeah. So we start off with Graf and somebody else. They're back at the lake where Inder was, and they're talking about just the state of things getting caught up on the state of things and what they're going to do now. This is the well, you

Collin 1:09:58

know, Bob part of the. Conversation. They're they're talking about it, and we're we're learning about things.

Brandon 1:10:06

Yes, so we learn what they're going to be doing, and we're learning about the the domesticities and lock and and then graph and everybody. But so we get to add, blah blah, and Ender is. Then we get to cut to Ender, and he is not. He can't come home yet because there's everybody still wants to fight over him, and so he's still up in on Eros, right? He did watch the court martial trial of Colonel Graff, even though they tried to not make him, because he's been awarded the rank of admiral, he was like, "Shut up! You can't tell me what

Collin 1:10:51

to do. It's great,

Brandon 1:10:52

which you know, it says like, "Well, this is one of the few times he actually pulled the rank on somebody. He was like, "I'm going to, and so he learned the truth about himself. He learned about what happened to Stillson and Bonzo. He learned about all the other things there, you know, about all that stuff. And so he's hanging out with the Mazer here and blah blah blah, and he's. he's here and he's doing stuff and he this they're like oh hey somebody's out here to see you and he's like what you talk about I don't want to see people I don't want people don't see me blah blah and he walks out, and who is there? But it's Valentine. Valentine. Oh

Collin 1:11:48

my gosh!

Brandon 1:11:53

Yeah. So Valentine is here. She says Demistates has retired, right, and she is going to the colony, right? Because humanity has lifted the ban on birthing, right? You can there can now be thirds and fourths and fifths and whatever, and the humans are going to go out and colonize the bugger colonies. This is the plan, and so she's like, "I'm going, and Ender's like, "Why? And she's like, "Well, because it's done, and Peter wants Earth, and I don't want to do this anymore, and I want to start a new life for myself, and I'm going. And oh, by the way, you should come.

Collin 1:12:40

Yep, and he's trying to be like Grand Poo Bah or whatever over the new colony, and yeah, because it kind of fits in with Ender's realization that he was never going to be going home because him staying far away from Earth was much more convenient for everybody because that way he couldn't be controlled by anyone in particular, and he just needed to basically be a myth and legend for years to come. Yeah, exactly.

Brandon 1:13:08

And so, and she's like, "You're going to come and be governor, and he's like, "What? And she's like, "I mean, if you agree, she's like, "I already asked everybody else, and they said it was fine, but they they want. I'm going to add, you know, if you want to, you can. And he like talks to her about this stuff. He's like, yeah, okay. Like you said, like he's like, I can't go back, um, because you know of all this stuff on Earth, it's too blah. They'll you know he can't be there. People will fight over him, and he'll be too polarizing of a figure, and so he does have to leave, right? He's like Frodo,

Collin 1:13:45

yeah,

Brandon 1:13:45

right. He can't go home again.

Collin 1:13:47

Well, and then there's but then there's the Peter thing as well that we learn as well that Peter was going to have this long, like he was going to control him, of like Peter would unmask himself as Locke and and stand next to his brother, and this would elevate him to king and ruler over Oliver's, basically because he was negotiating peace, and this is one final move to put him into that.

Brandon 1:14:12

Yeah, and he's like, "Well, when she tells him that, he's like, 'Yeah, we can't do that. So, yeah, I'll go with you. I don't want to be with Peter. I'll be with you. So she convinces they go right, and he's like, "What are you gonna do? And she's like, "I am gonna still be historian. So she's gonna write the history of the bugger war as you know what that's gonna be the thing that she's doing. So she is now the historian person, and so they go right. They go, they voyage long, and they set up stuff. And she writes books, and she's writing a whole bunch of things about this. And they've been there for a while.

Speaker 1 1:15:00

Brandon 1:15:04

then we get this like really weird bit, right? They're you know oh

Collin 1:15:09

yeah

Brandon 1:15:10

oh yeah is

Collin 1:15:11

is it Brayden is it weird the

Brandon 1:15:13

weirdest thing of all time um so we're they're I don't know they're they they they've been there for a while. They're doing colonial things. They're doing stuff, and then they get a message saying there's another ship that's going to come out here, and so we need to find a place for them to land. So like, Ender decides to go out. You know, he's doing good at his gubernatorial duties. He's very helpful. He's very hands-on. Everybody loves him. He's a good leader. Blah blah blah. Right. We knew all that was going to happen. So here he goes out on this mission because he's going to find a place for the new colony, right, close to his colony, so that like they can support each other. They can trade and whatever, but like they can be independent over there, right?

Collin 1:16:04

Yeah,

Brandon 1:16:04

this is the plan. And as they're flying, he some kid goes with him, some other guy. I don't know, some kid. Like, um, here he lands the helicoptery thing, and you know. know, he starts to feel weird and uneasy about this place where he's found himself,

Collin 1:16:31

like he's been there before.

Brandon 1:16:33

Yeah, right. He looks around, and he's looking at this weird stuff, and this kid's like, "Man, it's weird. It looks like a giant died here. The Earth grew up around it over his carcass. And Ender like freaks out internally, right? He's standing in the giant's corpse, and he's like, "Somebody had to the other kids like, hey, somebody built this. It's like made out of concrete, and he's like, I know, they built it for me. He's like, what do you mean you know? He's like, yeah, I know. He's like, don't worry about it. I know. And so he's like, I'm gonna go over here. You have to stay here. You can't come with me. And he's like, but I don't want to stay. He was like, "Shut up! I have to go over here to do a thing. So he is like, he starts walking through this real life version of the computer game. Right? He goes. There's the playground and the forest clearing and the cliff and the tower. and so he makes the kids stay there, and he goes up to the tower, and he finds a room, and there's no actual snake, but there's like a carpet with a snake on it. Good enough. Oh right, and there's

Collin 1:18:01

everything's basically a facsimile that he's feeling like they they pulled that they knew of him, and they're trying to make it look like this, right? For him, yeah,

Brandon 1:18:11

right. And so, and so here's where I think, right? Like whenever he was having these bad dreams, right? That was where this came from.

Collin 1:18:26

Yeah,

Brandon 1:18:27

right. Like, whenever he started having all those really weird dreams about stuff, I was like, "Okay, wait a minute.

Collin 1:18:36

What is what is? I think

Brandon 1:18:37

like I kind of thought that he was being reached out to, right? The buggers were attempting to contact him, but he can't communicate that way. So it was coming through as like these weird dreams and visions and weird stuff because his brain cannot interpret the mind communication of the buggers,

Collin 1:19:03

yeah,

Brandon 1:19:03

right. And so they were grabbing these things from his brain, and they put this here because he was the only person they could do that to. Now I don't know if it was because of the antenna thing, the Ansible thing on the the deal. Like I don't know if that's how they reached out to him specifically. Maybe it's just because they they knew it was him from the space battles and stuff. I don't really know, but like they could find him through this like telepathic communicationy stuff, and they pulled this out of his brain, right? And when he gets up there, there's the mirror with again the crude drawing of a face on it, because the buggers can't write, but he thinks that they were trying to learn like real fast, right? Yeah, so that they could know. Now again, we've already

Collin 1:19:56

been introduced into relativity, so Brayden. Like they were dead by the time he got there. So how? When did they start this? When did they start all of this?

Brandon 1:20:08

Yeah, that's the other part that's weird about this. We don't know when they started, but they probably rushed this. So it it was like not you know fast. fast, but this was he keeps he describes everything as like quite crude, so we assume that it was like rushed and stuff, right? So yeah, they were definitely way dead before he got here. So, but yeah, we don't that the timeline is a little bit unclear, and then he like opens the mirror, and there is a cook. There's like a egg in there, like a bug egg. I was hoping for

Collin 1:20:50

snakes. I gotta be real. Yeah, yeah, not snakes.

Brandon 1:20:53

And then like he can see the memories of the egg, kinda. Now that he's in like close proximity to it, this egg is a queen egg,

Collin 1:21:10

right?

Brandon 1:21:12

And the queen is like speaking to him, sorta, like showing him stuff, and he learns about a little bit about them, he understands that, like basically, the hive queen kind of shows him some history of stuff, and then says like. like, so the humans did not forgive us, right? Basically,

Collin 1:21:48

so sorry.

Brandon 1:21:49

And she kind of through this like very weird communication says like, well, we didn't know you were there, and so basically, basically, it is kind of what Ender thought a long time ago when he was talking to Graf about the not communicating thing. Like they showed up; they were just colonizing stuff, right? They were just showing up everywhere, and they showed up here, and they couldn't talk to the humans. And then, like, oh, boom! Then, then it was like turned into this whole big thing, right? Like we, you know, whoops, we didn't mean to do that. And I hope you forgive us for killing you, and we're real sorry about that. We forgive you for killing us because we it was our fault, which is a weird thing to say. Really weird, right? This part was confusing to me. Like, just like what is the message here that card is trying to tell us,

Collin 1:23:02

uh huh,

Brandon 1:23:03

right? Like this part, like the apologize, like this kind of is dumb.

Speaker 1 1:23:10

Yeah,

Brandon 1:23:10

right.

Collin 1:23:11

This I hate this part. Hey,

Brandon 1:23:13

we're yeah, it was stupid, right? Like, hey, we're sorry that we showed up and killed you, and we forgive you for killing us back because we totally deserved it.

Collin 1:23:23

Our bad. Like,

Brandon 1:23:24

are you serious? Like, what? What?

Collin 1:23:29

Yeah.

Brandon 1:23:31

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Like, if you put this in context of, let's put this in context of like any other war in the history of the world, right? So, like, when when the Persians invaded Greece, okay, and and then and then the and then the Greeks beat him, right? Did did the Persians go? Oh, sorry, our bad bro, that's cool. We forgive you for murdering us. No,

Collin 1:24:03

no, no,

Brandon 1:24:03

no. That's not how we're. They like later. They were like, "Hey, let's try again. I know, right? Like this. This is not like I don't understand the thought process here. Like I don't understand. Like we're trying to absolve Ender for like wrongdoing, right? We're we're like making Ender like feel better about himself. Like I don't really understand the message of this.

Collin 1:24:36

Yeah,

Brandon 1:24:37

right. But it's really dumb to be like, hey, we forgive you for murdering us. It was our bad, and Ender basically says, "Okay, well, yeah, he's they they were like, we could have lived with you in peace, you know, believe us." Are bad, like that's the message here, is that we were physically unable to talk to you, and so when you shot us, we were like, oh, are bad. We just like shot. We just murdered you immediately, and then we're like, oh, it's cool. Like whatever, like it's really dull, like it's really stupid.

Collin 1:25:25

Yeah,

Brandon 1:25:26

like we, you know, the buggers say we thought we were the only thinking beads in the universe until we met you. Never did we dream that thought could arise from the lonely animals who cannot dream each other's dreams. How are we to know we could live in peace with you? Believe

Collin 1:25:46

us. Yeah, no, this is

Brandon 1:25:48

stupid.

Collin 1:25:49

This is the part where he starts believing because of his empathy, right? Because of this is why he was chosen, right? Because his empathy for others, and he's being talked to by a weird bug in a pupa that he like helps pupates and it turns brown and he carries around with him now and I don't know. Yeah,

Brandon 1:26:09

so basically Ender's new plan is to travel the universe and find a place to deposit this so that the it can hatch and there can be the buggers can come back

Collin 1:26:20

can come back

Brandon 1:26:21

right. That's kind of what. Now he does like talk to it, and it like tells him stuff about the because the buggers never wrote anything down. They just like remember everything. Like he can learn. Like it tells him about like how to farm stuff and about like how to build things and how to live on the planet better, you know, like how to how to be cool and live on the planet and like what plants to plant and and all this stuff, right? Like it's really weird. It's really weird. And then he he has Valentine publish this in part of her histories, right? And and like being the speaker for the dead becomes a thing. It like becomes this weird like religious position on Earth, right? And then on the colonies, that's like a major religious thing where like there's people that speak for life, and then there's people that speak for dead, and she even gets a message from the old old man Peter because of relativity reasons is like almost 80 and dying, and he speaks right about this and. and he like tells his story, and Valentine writes it down, and it's like a whole weird thing, crazy. And it, and it's, and they decide like after a while, they they leave this colony. Him and Valentine are going to leave this colony and go somewhere else, right? So Valentine is the historian who writes down the stories of the living, while Ender speaks the stories of the dead. And Ender carried with him always a dry white cocoon, looking for a world where the hive queen could awaken and thrive in peace. He looked a long time,

Collin 1:28:32

and that's the end of the story.

Brandon 1:28:34

Yeah, it just it

Collin 1:28:37

just ends. It literally,

Brandon 1:28:40

I I could have done without the last half of the last chapter, right? Like it's so off-putting. The like, hey, bro, we're sorry to like. I'm just thinking about like every single other human conflict in human history, like the colonizing of the Americas, like through the lens of Orson's card here, and it is the dumbest thing of all time. Like the Aztecs, like, oh, sorry, bro, sorry, we killed you all, right? Didn't mean to do that. And then like, oh, you killed us, you killed us all. Oh, that's cool. Well, that's fine. Like, no worries. Don't all that smallpox stuff. It's cool, bro. Look, it's fine. Like, is the most like apologist like nonsense?

Collin 1:29:28

I know. I don't.

Brandon 1:29:31

I don't know. Like that lat that part was very off putting for me.

Collin 1:29:36

I was uncomfortable. Like the best part of this book was chapter 14, by far. Leading up to that, it was very oh

Speaker 1 1:29:47

yes

Collin 1:29:48

dull and dry. I mean, at

Brandon 1:29:50

least chapter 14 did reward a lot of that because it brought back a lot of the stuff from the battle school. Now, not all of it, right? But like parts of it, you're like, oh. Okay, like the oh, we're gonna give you these commanders, and the army is gonna be structured like like the invasion fleet is kind of structured like Ender's battalion, and there's like all these commanders that are really good, and they can command smaller units to do his orders, and they'll do blah blah. Like that made sense. That's payoff for that, right? Yeah. Finally, some payoff for some of the battle school nonsense, and it carried over with he's tired of playing the game, and there's like lots of things that were similar to battles that he fought in his past, right? Like, but you're right. Chapter 14 is by far the best chapter in the book. Yeah, it's long, but like it's at least it's packed. It is it is like nice and broken up, right? This book does the thing where like the chapters are long, but like there's breaks, you know. So it's like oh yeah, it's kind of like chapter 14, section one, section two. So it's like it's not so bad, and it like flows together, and it like makes sense. It's not just like one big continual drone of nothing, like whatever. So it's like it's chunked up, and it's kind of like it makes sense, you know. But the last chapter is so dumb.

Collin 1:31:16

I really dislike this entirely. Like I was so angry during this last chapter 15. Genuinely now here, chapter 15 is what leads to book two. So totally got it. Yeah,

Brandon 1:31:32

but like,

Collin 1:31:34

however,

Brandon 1:31:35

does that make you want to read book two ever in your life?

Collin 1:31:38

No, no. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to go read about Ender's adventures with him and a pupa on his on his hip. Yeah,

Brandon 1:31:48

like I don't know. Like as much as you try to make Ender like a sympathetic person, like you just kind of don't like him half the time. You know, like there's a lot of times people like this kid sucks. Like I don't. I know it's not his fault all the time, because like everybody around him also sucks. Like everybody, this book sucks, right? Yeah. Except for maybe Valentine, maybe Bean. But like, like the other kids are fine. Like Petra's cool, I guess. Like Bean's fine. Big's cool. Like everybody else sucks. So, like that. This is what I want to ask you, Collin. Collin, does this book deserve all of the just straight up praise that it gets from the the sci-fi community at large? Right. Does this book live up to the expectation of like everybody's like favorite book of all time,

Collin 1:32:41

chapter. I think. I think when people think of this book, they think of chapter 14. I think they think of chapter 14. Other, I don't think they real remember anything else about this book. It's 14 because it's towards the end, and then they're still hyped up. 15 falls off the edge, and they just remember this. So I, that's got to be it for me. So far as like why this is so loved, because 14 has the big twist. It's got the big turn, and everything else, I don't, I don't see, I don't see why this one is as loved as it is? I don't

Brandon 1:33:23

either. Like, it's not like as far as like other, like I don't know. Like, I just don't understand it at all. Like, why people like this book? Like, if you're gonna like in the pantheon of books, like this book is like it's fine. You know, it's fine, I guess. Like I've definitely read worse books, but like, there's just so many things that it doesn't do well, and I think it gets a pass because it's sci-fi, and as not like a sci-fi aficionado, like I don't think about it as like a science fiction book. I think of it as a book first, and then like it's got like a sci-fi coat of paint on it, right? Like I'm not a dedicated sci-fi reader. I don't read a lot of sci-fi, like we talked about. Although I'm working on a thing for later, I have been reading some in the background. More, I'll tell you about that whenever it's done, but like, so spoilers for the future. Okay, something to look forward to, but like, I don't get it. Like, there's like as far as like books about like school, like this. This is a very like you know YA trope of like, oh, it's like a school of stuff. Boom, insert like 50 billion books here, right? Like, I don't think a lot of the stuff in the battle school is particularly interesting. I don't think Ender is particularly interesting. The weird. Side plot with his brother and sister being four chant trolls is also

Collin 1:35:06

interesting.

Brandon 1:35:06

I mean, it's not. It's weird. It turns out it's quite relevant. Shoehorned at the end, like, oh, by the way, oh, everybody loves Peter. Like,

Collin 1:35:13

he's

Brandon 1:35:14

crazy. Like, I guess he does many of the people good. Wow, but like, you know, I just, I, I, like chapter 50. That part, just that part, was so bad. Like, it just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. Like the whole thing. Like, I just can't. I don't understand the point of that, right? Like it was. I was okay with it until the talking pupa. Right, like, and it's not the fact that it was talking; it's the what it said part. Right, because really, like I don't know. Part of me is like Andrew should have just like stepped on it, right? Like, well, you know, I know, too late now. But like, the fact that just it just rubs me so much the wrong way. Of like, oh yeah, well, we killed you on accident, and then so we can't really be mad that you killed us back. We forgive you for murdering us. Like

Collin 1:36:23

so, you know,

Brandon 1:36:26

like what, what, like I, are we supposed to be okay with, like, I don't, I just don't understand the message here, like I, I don't know what he's trying to say. Like, are we supposed to be okay with that? Like, are we supposed to just like get over it? Like, oh, is that how we're supposed to just deal with any conflict? Like, oh, I know that you killed like a bunch of us, but like, it's cool, bro. Don't even worry about it. Like, yeah, is this the geopolitical meta that Orson Skarguard wants? Like, because like the Korean War in that context, pretty weird. Like, you know, like the colonization of Africa is a bit awkward when viewed through this lens. You know, like it's a very strange message here, like, and I got Ender. I guess wants to. He does feel bad about it, and he does. He was tricked into it, and so he's wanting to repent. I guess, but like,

Collin 1:37:36

because it's both like hard into the like win at all costs, but also it's like at what cost, and like should it be pacifist? Yeah, in this, it's like wanting both.

Brandon 1:37:49

Like, and I know the Ender didn't necessarily want this, but like the fact that the buggers are like, oh, we forgive you for murdering all of us. It's cool. Like now is the plot twist in the second book. The only way this plays off, in my opinion, Collin, the only way this can be redeemed is if Ender does like let the queen go somewhere, and the buggers like rearm and try to kill Ender, right? Like that one. I absolutely like because then he's being he's still being manipulated,

Collin 1:38:35

uh huh,

Brandon 1:38:35

right by by outside forces, and he still has to struggle with that and can never do what he wants to do because he's always being manipulated by outsiders, right? This is the only acceptable payoff.

Collin 1:38:47

Agreed.

Brandon 1:38:48

I'm not going to read speaker for the day to figure out if that's true. I may look at the summary, but like that right now in my mental state, like that would be acceptable. But like. like it's just like I don't understand why you would do this. Like it's just not whatever. I don't know.

Collin 1:39:11

I agree. I don't think it should.

Brandon 1:39:13

I just basically what I'm saying is I don't understand why this book gets all the praise that it does because I personally do not see it anywhere in here.

Collin 1:39:27

Nope. Again, chapter 14 to me is the only redeeming quality of this. Yeah. Right. So, other than after that, it's like there's no point to any of this.

Brandon 1:39:41

Yeah. It's just. I don't know. It's just very weird. Like I, I don't, I don't know. It just doesn't. It just doesn't do.

Collin 1:39:53

Didn't do it for me, and no, it

Brandon 1:39:55

didn't do it for me at all. Right? Like

Collin 1:39:58

yes. It

Brandon 1:40:00

really didn't do it for me at all. Like, so I don't know. Yeah, but anyway, anyway, done.

Collin 1:40:08

We are, you know what? We are

Brandon 1:40:09

done and dusted.

Collin 1:40:10

Fair

Brandon 1:40:11

with our summer reading book here.

Collin 1:40:14

Boy, howdy are

Brandon 1:40:16

we? Was, yeah. So there we go. Boom,

Collin 1:40:22

and I-I don't know. I ah, it's one of those of man. You, I don't know. I have, I've these last two chapters really threw me for a massive loop, and I don't know how to walk away. I'm going to walk away from this one a little bit differently than I think I walk away from the other books, where it's just like, "Woof, that was a ride. And this one, it's like, "Huh, like like you, I still am trying to figure out what what was this commentary on. Like ultimately, what was this supposed to be? And man, I don't know. I don't know what it was supposed to be for sure. Like what he was. I definitely don't know this. Don't. I don't. I don't know if you know what the phone is. I don't know if

Brandon 1:41:11

he does either. So, well, but we can put it on the bookshelf now, and in a few years, in in in eventually, when we get around to, you know, at some point, I think, Collin, we do need to do a ranking of books we've read so far for the show, right? The Oh Brother Reading Club tier list, the top however many book lists. Yeah, yeah. I think at some point, maybe before we read our winter one, we'll rank them so far.

Collin 1:41:50

Yes,

Brandon 1:41:51

right. But spoilers, this one's not going very high. I

Collin 1:41:56

agree. I agree. Yes. Oh man. Well, there we are.

Brandon 1:42:06

Yeah, there we go. So, with that, Collin, I will close you out on a different note.

Collin 1:42:13

Okay,

Brandon 1:42:14

with a bit of a haiku here. Ah,

Collin 1:42:15

a bit of a haiku. It's only half

Brandon 1:42:18

a one. No, I got. I I finished the last line. I finished the last line earlier. There have been times where I'm like, "I am done. Okay, yeah. Because sometimes I will write like the first line or first two lines and be thinking about the third one or the second, and then I like,

Collin 1:42:34

yeah,

Brandon 1:42:34

I'll forget to write it. I'm like, no, I have it done here. So to close us out for today, endless dark expanse. Boundless treasures are hidden, hunted by lamplight.

Collin 1:42:56

Ah! Nice mining haiku. Yeah, let's go. There we go. First, I was like, "Oh, did he write a haiku about Ender's game? And I was like, "No, no, it was about. It would be much more

Speaker 1 1:43:09

negative about that.

Collin 1:43:11

That's perfect. There we go. Bang. Okay. Well. Well, we will. Okay. Well, I gotta. I'm gonna have to. Yeah, that was weird. But okay, here we are, and now we will. We'll do this again soon.

Brandon 1:43:30

We will indeed.

Collin 1:43:31

Okay, love you.

Brandon 1:43:32

Love you too. Bye. Bye.