Mesopotamia time of year

We may get canceled. Collin wants to learn to juggle. Brandon is dressing up as a book character.

  • Are we going to get shut down?

  • Inconvenient for a hay field

  • I went to a brand thing

  • I want to be YOUR jeweler!

  • Panicked juggling!

  • Good morning camper!!

  • Bruh, it’s not your yacht 

  • First presentations!!

  • Mesopotamia time of year!

  • Dressing up as book characters…

  • Pony!

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Brandon

Collin  00:04

Welcome to Old Brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Colin and Aaron. On this week show, Mesopotamia time of year. Oh boy.

00:20

Oh boy.

Brandon  00:21

We are here we are hot. Yes.

Collin  00:24

And, and regardless of politics we I'm talking to you over. Very cool internet connection right now.

Brandon  00:32

So

Collin  00:37

that means you better want to say

Brandon  00:40

that's true. You'll just cancel me right? He'll be like No, no look you

Collin  00:44

will see now just for saying that you're probably gonna get canceled.

Brandon  00:49

Listen, you know as it is my fault I didn't do that. Say the thing.

Collin  00:56

I mean,

Brandon  00:57

I didn't say who? I was.

Collin  00:59

Sorry. No one knows it's good point. Yeah, no

Brandon  01:01

one knows. Right here. Here's the hint. May or may not be slowly turning into a Batman villain

Collin  01:14

I mean, maybe maybe we're not sure we haven't seen the final evolution yet. So go either way yet? What kind of form takes place leaning towards Batman villain? Oh

01:30

my goodness. You

Brandon  01:31

know, the saga of dad Internet continues.

Collin  01:35

It does? It does. And unfortunately, yes. Because we are still in the testing phase. It's not in the

Brandon  01:43

best position. We may

Collin  01:47

we may experience some interruptions. So we'll just All right.

Brandon  01:52

See what happens. This is okay. Has he spoke has he yet mentioned words like windmill chimney, right? Is this are they? Are these like in the works? Is he gonna know you're gonna rig it into his other antenna array he's got going on? Like,

Collin  02:15

shockingly, he's not interested in that.

Brandon  02:19

Because it might mess up the frequencies mess up his radio.

Collin  02:24

Talk to he can't talk to Nova Scotia or whatever. So no, we are. It is. He also doesn't want this just out in the middle of a field, which is where the best place for this would be to have open access to the sky.

Brandon  02:37

I mean, yeah, but that's inconvenient for Hayfield, right that's not yes, that's a good place to get run over by a hay rake right that's that's not a good

Collin  02:49

not a good idea right. But also he does have quite a bit of you know, yard make this fine. So we have come up with two alternate locations one is actually by the front porch by the metal bench because that's just far enough away from the house and away from the bushes and trees that it doesn't that's the direction that it needs to go unfortunately and another location that would be very good would actually be mounted atop the fence post by the

Brandon  03:32

well that's what I was thinking about. Yeah, that's far out in the middle and there's there's nothing else over there because that trees fell down died a long time ago right like that's what I was thinking. But then he had to run cabling like bury it Yeah,

03:50

right wouldn't have not too deep

Brandon  03:51

but but like again this is not something that hasn't happened before

Collin  03:57

Yeah, he's never never buried a cable before

Brandon  04:00

Yeah, doesn't happen just like randomly right like doesn't just happen you know? It could be a test run for his like big antenna

Collin  04:09

array that he's thinking about doing Yeah.

04:13

Exactly. Cerro Yes, that is

Collin  04:20

that is we looked at that spot. He needs to get a special a manhole adapter mount thing to fix it to

Brandon  04:32

the okay thing but engineer needs to purchase a special adapter. Now, as now. He says a welder right? It'd be fine. I am done. Ah, yes.

04:50

D the other

Collin  04:56

unfortunate aspect is the the one in front of the house would actually be The easiest one to get to know trenching involves just cables, which, unfortunately are in those rocks. Yes. Unfortunately, the cable is about five feet two shorts. As problem, yes. And because this is kind of a super special cable.

Brandon  05:21

Yeah, because he probably has like a billion dollar cable just well,

Collin  05:24

you can't just splice it in and they don't offer extensions. So what I thought they would have is they would have a little female adapter on both ends that you could apply to both sides. They don't make one of those. You just have to buy a whole new cable. So, so dumb. Yeah, the options are like 50 feet. 75 feet, and like 150 feet. Wow.

Brandon  05:49

So conveniently sized.

05:55

Yes. Anyway, so could get a cable

Brandon  06:00

to reach out in the middle of that field anyway, right. 800 yards a cable. That's not cool. Right? Yes.

Collin  06:12

So that was that was, you know, so he's we're figuring out what exactly to do?

06:20

Yeah, it's kind of wild to

Brandon  06:21

see an off your trigonometry, right? Like, oh,

Collin  06:25

yeah, going shortest route. I mean, the shortest route would I mean, I'm in the basement right now the shortest route would actually take the,

Brandon  06:32

the, the cable,

Collin  06:35

because the router is upstairs by the TV right through the drop ceiling through the basement and out through the front. But that would require drilling a hole on the front of the house. Yeah. When he always already has a hole on the side of the house, where the other cables were coming in before so badly. He wants, you know, rightfully so he doesn't want to just go around making a Swiss cheese mold out of his house. And I

Brandon  06:56

mean, that's, yeah, you're right. It's true. Like, you don't want to drill holes everywhere. So I'm trying to figure out what's gonna go what's going what's going to happen. I will say that

Collin  07:08

speeds when it's running are like nothing that this I've ever experienced out here. It's in the middle of nowhere out in the middle of nowhere without fiber. I mean, again, this is just a little tiny dish pointed up at the sky. It's not even, you know, doesn't even look like the old Direct TV thing that we serve. Not Direct TV, but um, wasn't directed. What's that? No, no, we

Brandon  07:33

have definitely TV. But there was the fews. Net? Yeah, the huge one. So

Collin  07:39

if you're not supposed to do this, whenever you're actively recording an audio podcast, because it messes with the signal, but

Brandon  07:45

I mean, sorry, listeners.

Collin  07:49

As we get garbled here, I'm doing a speed test. It maxed out at 78. Down and kind of settled into 49. Down. Yeah. And is now sitting at 18 up. So, you know, is considering how before, it was like five down and yeah, it was like point one up. It looks like this is actually you know, serviceable. So we will see so this is the first this is grande test. I'm a little sleepy. So I didn't want to record from the office and then have to drive out later to plan and I was like, You know what, we'll just do that. And

Brandon  08:32

here we are. We go. Okay, we'll see the official test. Does it. podcast there we go.

Collin  08:46

So, um, yeah, yeah, today has been a

Brandon  08:49

lot. I am.

08:57

I was

Collin  08:57

I was doing, I was invited to something called a wild note. I don't know if I want to promote this, but something to help with, like branding and marketing. And I was like, Oh, okay. Well, help with branding and marketing. And I love

Brandon  09:09

branding. Not so much marketing, but branding is fine.

Collin  09:14

It drives me insane.

09:18

So, I

Collin  09:21

was invited from somebody at the chamber to come to this and they were putting it on him that's free. And I was like, okay, invited speaker in Brian. Lastly, I like breakfast. Right? And I was like, Okay, sweet. So I come in, and I'm sitting there and it was a, you know, she was like, this is just we put this on every year and help small businesses with branding and marketing messages. And we do it this time of year, so you can gear up for the next year and get ready. Oh, that's pretty sweet. Okay, great. Thanks. Cool.

Brandon  09:49

I like fiscal year stuff, right? Yeah, yeah. Right. So we the other year.

Collin  09:56

Yes, but not that year. The other year. Yeah. Anyway,

Brandon  10:02

I show up. And I'm talking with somebody. And

Collin  10:10

they're asking what I do, telling them, and they're like, Oh, do you have a business card? And I said, No.

Brandon  10:16

He's roll your eyes.

Collin  10:20

I was getting ready to go and say that I can have them scan my phone, because I did develop a did use a company to make a digital one that they scannable QR code. He goes, that's fine.

Brandon  10:33

Who is your sales? Rep. It's me. And I said, Oh,

Collin  10:40

I handled sales. And he was no, no. Who's your sales rep that brought you here? And I was like, they

10:46

want that

10:52

here emitted? Oh, no.

Collin  11:01

I was like, Oh, her name so and so I sat back down. I was like, What did I get myself.

Brandon  11:10

And I notice all the triangle shaped objects. If they tell you to bring to people next time, you know,

Collin  11:22

tables, they're not round or triangles. It's all dead giveaway, right? So, so I'm like,

Brandon  11:30

Oh, this is either a Masons lodge or a pyramid scheme.

Collin  11:34

This is frustrating. So I sit down. And then sure enough, the lady who invited me comes over and sits down at this table. And she's talking and then she's like, Oh, just, I'll be right back. And she stands up. And she starts actively going over to people that she invited to our table, and she sits down and then we're talking together and then I look around. And every other table has someone that kind of, you know, looks like her with a bunch of people who look like me.

12:01

And I was like, What am I doing here?

Collin  12:05

And then the snooker the presentation starts and the guy he's really charismatic. He's talking about messaging, and finding your distinctive values. Some good stuff, but he's walking through and all of a sudden he

Brandon  12:22

starts he was wearing a suit jacket and a T shirt wasn't a No actually,

Collin  12:27

he was wearing he was wearing like it's just got board shorts and a fishing shirt.

Brandon  12:34

That was my next guest, right? Literally was my next guest. These guys are either they're either doing the like, suit, t shirt thing like a graphic t because there's Oh yeah, you know, or Yeah, like full blown like insane like forge was an assault life t shirt.

Collin  12:53

It was not at last all like T shirt, but like similar

Brandon  12:56

vein. Yes. Yeah, very much. I keep seeing these like people with assault like bumper stickers in Missouri. Like bro, you are lost. No,

Collin  13:05

no, no, no, it's like getting ready for winter. That's all they're embracing.

Brandon  13:10

Christie right there winter home.

Collin  13:14

No, no, no, I'm talking about salt lake as in driving on the roads with lots of salt. This is what I

Brandon  13:21

but he's going carwash is a business winter. And he makes he makes reference to kitchen land. And I go along go.

Collin  13:32

I know kitchen land. Do you know kitchen land?

Brandon  13:34

I don't know kitchen.

Collin  13:36

Let me say this is

Brandon  13:38

either a really weird kitchen showroom or the world's second worst theme park, right?

Collin  13:47

No, no, no, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this phrase. Oh, no. And you're I want to hear I want to see if you remember this from our slightly obsessive Amish family

Brandon  14:03

oh, what? Any? Any, any.

Collin  14:07

I'm doing some. Do you remember this phrase that the marketing was the fact that they built kitchen cabinets that were soft, close, so you could never slammed them. And they were built by a slightly obsessive almost family.

Brandon  14:19

So okay, so like, the best way to describe my brain right now is like, like you're walking down through the park early morning. And it's like, foggy, right? And you recognize things sort of over there. Right? That's if you

Collin  14:42

if you heard the guy's voice, you'd be like, Oh, right. But he always ended his commercials with kitchens built in the tradition of my slightly slightly slightly obsessive Amish family. Really

Brandon  14:54

weird sentence. That's why it triggered me because that is not a normal phrase. No, right?

Collin  14:58

No, it's not right. because usually we just say my obsessive, I'm a felon or Yeah, or whatever,

Brandon  15:03

Amish family, because there's a lot of that. I mean, I guess I'm not gonna offend any Amish people, because you're not listening to this. But like, there's some heavy connotations that go with Amish. Right? Like,

Collin  15:13

yes, yes. So, and I remember as soon as he said that phrase, I was like, oh, and then this guy who's talking, start talking about how he's worked with that company, and how they partnered with the company that was hosting the event. And I was like,

Brandon  15:30

oh, oh,

Collin  15:33

the person who invited me works for the company, that company is a marketing and ad campaign company. And so this guy is talking about branding, and what what did I say?

15:44

Marketing? Marketing you did. And

Collin  15:49

so of course, that it all just clicks, here's the tie in, to bring people in to show them the what, right? He wants to show them what to do, or like some ideas. And then at the end is the upsell, that's going to get you to the how to do it, that you have to pay for that. And then if you just want them to do the full service and take an overview, because you're not you don't have enough time and you're very busy. They'll just do the whole thing for you. And I was like,

Brandon  16:16

yeah. And then he's talking.

Collin  16:20

And he's talking about media and picking the right media. And again, good concepts of you only have so much ad budget. So stop. So much

Brandon  16:30

incongruency here, right? We're talking about like, media and like social marketing and Amish family. It's like I can't my brain is having trouble keeping up with this. Right? This is just This was on the website right now. Oh, and this is like a disaster of a landing page. Right? First of all, this is the world's most generic landing page. Second of all, right? Beautiful, refined, durable. These are like, ultra modern interiors. Yeah. And it says, The Perfect Amish style kitchen. And there's nothing, there's this is such these are such divorced, like, ideas, right? Like, traditional, ominous heritage and like, hyper modernity. But I cannot. Like what even is this branding? What is this dude doing talking about marketing? This doesn't make any sense? Well,

Collin  17:23

what he has done is he's taken, he took the he's been working with this company for since 2004. Oh, that was just fast forward. The guy who owns kitchen land comes out at the end, and talks about how wonderful it is to work with the company who's hosting on the brilliant man who's doing this and does like, you know, so do your thing. Yes, this whole thing was like a fever dream, because he's, he's talking about very local aspects, which is not something that I am used to have, like, oh, we work with this company, and this company, and this company, things you've heard of him said, I've heard that right. Especially, here's another one for you. What do you justice?

Brandon  18:00

He doesn't want to be your jeweler. He does. And and that was an aspect of what are you going?

Collin  18:07

I want to be your jeweler that came from its early aspects where you've got a car repairman, you've got, you know, a lawn crew, you've got a cleaning crew, you got to this, you've got all these people that you trust in your life. I want to be your jeweler, and he always said your. But

Brandon  18:24

now it works. So well. You know where I bought my wedding rings? I know.

Collin  18:32

I didn't know this. He did something like $18 million a year out of that one location. Oh, yeah. And was a nationally known person

Brandon  18:41

in the Genet one really inconvenient location. Like that's the worst placement for a store ever. But ever.

Collin  18:48

It's like tucked behind a hill off of a highway, right? Yeah.

Brandon  18:52

Like everybody knows where it is. So when he gets this, yeah. And a, b, so he's

Collin  18:59

talking about that, and I understand this stuff. And then he's talking about this other company of Steve's pest control. And like, the branding they did with them, and the marketing they did with him. And I was like, I've heard of those people. I almost hired a guy who worked for them. That's crazy. That person never responded to my messages afterwards. So that's a different thing, but and then he starts talking about the media that you're supposed to be using. And it's good stuff again, like you only have so much ad budget, which he represented with a couple of water and you've got all these different cups that you could fill for your media. And then he's like, you know, radio on that's what these guys do best. And he started talking about the importance of radio and I was like, Oh, it's a freaking radio station people. Oh, gosh, they're good. I haven't finished these people off with a 16 foot pole over the last three years saying no, and hearing him

19:47

sitting in their seminar, duck

Collin  19:52

and I'm trying to take the notes and be the most of it and there were genuinely some very helpful things that are going to help us change How we talk and like think about stuff. Like, for example, as he's talking and blabbering on about the wonders of radio, I asked a question to myself that I've never asked myself, which is a good question that I should have asked myself is, what percentage of people in Missouri travel for holidays?

Brandon  20:17

Right, like a very large number.

Collin  20:19

That's very large number 47%. If you wanted to know, of Missouri, oh, my good gray family for the holidays. Now. Now you're gonna ask yourself, how many of those people only take one vacation a year? And it's something like 70%. Yeah. So 350 days a year. They are, quote, unquote, out of my market. They're not they don't need me 355 days a year. They only need me for that two weeks around Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Brandon  20:51

And that kind of changes how you talk

Collin  20:54

to them. Instead of trying to talk to them every day to convince them to book you today. They don't need you. July. They don't need you. January one through three, no, Friday, November

Brandon  21:05

20. That's yeah, like that's, they don't. And so I was like, right.

Collin  21:11

I need to be talking to them differently than the people who I'm trying to get for, you know, more. That's holiday travel people. So then that's a segment of our ad and then or of our of our marketing. And then yeah, dailies are different than that. So it helped me segmented out. And it made a lot of sense to me. I was like, right. Okay, that helps me and then I did up, then while he's talking again, I'm like, What's the average commute time for somebody in our county? I'm like, doing all of these look things up. I was like, this is actually really helpful to me. So that was good.

Brandon  21:44

Springfield, regional area, it can be quite lengthy, right? I mean, think about that, right? That was that's like a 45 minute commute. Wherever you go.

Collin  21:53

Right. And so that helps us, you know, me go. How do I talk to people who have long commutes, right? Because those are actually my clients who would live further away, but not too far away, hopefully, that I can still get to and take care of their pets. It's just inconvenient for them to get home on a lunch break or something. So yeah, that's, that's stuff that I started to put together. Independent of questions that they were asking.

Brandon  22:18

And it was, yeah, it was just

Collin  22:21

then at the end, they were like, Yeah, and if you want to, you know, sign up, I was like, I am leaving here. I was so frustrated that it was just like, okay, like, just be just be a prop people. Just be a rat. That's all.

Brandon  22:36

It's also cease. incongruence to summon. What do you justice with, like this? Front? Like, not upfront, sneaky people. Right? That's why are you like Woody? Because he's like, honest, do you need to channel your like, old sincere dude. Right? That's how he would he justice? You know, thinking about his right. You know, when the last time I haven't eaten at Wendy's since Dave Thomas died? Ah, no, that was the That's how good the marketing was. Once you believe Dave Thomas, right. I haven't set foot in a Wendy's. Since since II stopped being a troll. Right. The sincerity level down the drain down a corporate down faceless, you know, weird, right, the French fries are the boxes aren't yellow anymore. So you know, you know, do you know it's no good, right? It's

Collin  23:29

not good. You know, color change. That's different to change it. It's different on the outside. It's different on the inside? Yeah. No, that's yes. It was like, okay, we can find some things here. We can fine tune some stuff. And later. They, then it was just Yeah, it was just a whole mess and kind of thinking about a lot of like, how, anyway, yeah, it's just, I did that. And then I was running around all sorts of places today. And then I was late to like a business after hours business meeting for the chamber that I was trying to get to, and I was I still haven't Sorry, I was kidnapped by boardshorts guy, right. Sorry, sir. I still haven't quite mastered the art of entering into a room that I like, have no business being in and just going up and talking to people like I'm a very outgoing person, but I'm not that outgoing. Just walking up to a random table and being like, Can I have a seat anyway? Hi. I'm calling like, it's, that's hard for me. So I I kind of walked in scouting out like, Are there any faces in here? I'm not even I don't even know their names, but as a face in here, that I think I remember. I'm just gonna go up and say hi, let them know that I, oh, it's great to catch up with you. And you'll do that thing and then turn slowly to the rest of the group and go and you don't know me but here I am. Hi, this is my name. And then we do that

Brandon  24:57

awkward play cool, right? Just like a high school lunch, right? He's really play cool. He's gonna sit down. It's like stuff. And then that's it. There's low talk and then

Collin  25:09

disinterested actively disinterested in Yeah,

Brandon  25:12

yeah, that's how you get out. Yeah, that's definitely that'll work but so I just kills I also do not possess right like I already just like sit and talk to people, right this one is actually the reverse thing happens to be I will like sit down like other teacher days and stuff like I will sit down on myself. And then like, other people just come like it's

25:44

not what I wanted

Collin  25:52

Yeah. So I did that. That's just been kind of a chaotic day. All all sorts, unfortunately.

Brandon  26:07

Horrifying. There's a lot of horrifying news that I you know, again, I

Collin  26:15

Oh, and I'm at this little meeting with this brand thing. And I'm standing there. And this guy walks up to me and goes, oh, good to see you again.

Brandon  26:24

And I was like, Oh, right. Hi.

Collin  26:30

I have no idea who this man is. He's talking to me. And he's like, Yeah, you know, we really liked using your services last time as a call,

Brandon  26:36

okay? It's client. Ah, this is not healthy. And then he said, Did I invite you

Collin  26:46

to my networking thing, and boom, it clicked. I told the story of this guy. This is Larry guy, Larry, this is Larry. I was like, I was like, Wait, is this the guy that calls you Larry guy? Is that whatever. So I'm just like, Oh my gosh. So anyway, you know, like now great. Now I got to steer away from this. And then

Brandon  27:11

I can introduce you to a whole new group of people who's like, Yo, guys, what's up my friend, Larry guy?

Collin  27:18

Nope, we got to move over here, right over here. And I steer away from him quick acknowledgments, and I make the brand. Back for the back for the biscuits and gravy right in the Oh, honey. Yeah, don't shop busy, right? I think I sit back down. And then the lady who invited me brings over another person who sits down. And although she the lady who invited me, tries to introduce this new person to me. And that person goes, Oh, I know. You took care of our dog. And I was like, who I genuinely the other guy was kind of like, I vaguely remember you. This person. I have never seen this person in my entire life. I have

Brandon  28:04

made my debut. You met their spouse. Right? And then she says, Yeah, you

Collin  28:10

took care of my husband's dog before we were married. And his name is his dogs blah, blah. And I was like, Oh, okay. Wow, hi. Yeah. And apparently, she, anyway, I go.

Brandon  28:23

I was how's the dog? And she was oh, she's dying. Oh,

Collin  28:29

I was like, lightning is like, oh, gosh, I'm, I'm so sorry. Like, that's, that's really hard. And she goes, Yeah, I'm not really a dog person. So you know.

Brandon  28:43

I'm like, Oh, what a thing to tell the guy where to tell the way to talk to the guy wearing the petsitter shirt. Anyway, well, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna go now like,

Collin  28:59

but I'm sitting at the table with her like I came

Brandon  29:03

with a dog hater in a network enthusiast.

Collin  29:06

So I go, I go, Oh, well, how long did he have her? And she paused and she went up. Well, he's got shared custody with his ex. So that tells you something.

29:19

Oh, okay.

Brandon  29:20

Ah, you know, I believe they have a term for this. Colin I think it's called escaping goblins only to be chased by wolves. And

Collin  29:31

this describes exactly what is happening not just from Larry guy to this person, but now from this person to the same person where I can't get away from this conversation because what do I say? What do you say you can't it's not getting better. Not gone. Well. You feel that at basketball, I gotta go. You I'm laid off from finals. This is where I think juggling would be very interesting for me, because in these awkward situations, I could just be like, oh, what before, start juggling things and just break the tension, right? Cutlery like? Like, I was just like, What are you? Because they're all now again, Crystal focus. It's not that she's not a dog person. It she's not a this dog person because her husband, her new fiance, her new husband still has to interact with x, which apparently not on good speaking terms. Yeah, the dogs.

Brandon  30:34

I mean, most people don't like it when their significant other is in constant communication with their ex. That's really not, you know, just a fun thing that many people like to have

Collin  30:44

no fillers. So, so of course, she's kind of rooting for this dog to not be here anymore, because then she gets her husband alters

Brandon  30:54

their own dog.

30:57

I'm like, I

Collin  31:00

was talking about this right now. So I quickly was like, Oh, wow. So looking forward to today.

31:10

Ah.

Brandon  31:17

So I just went, Oh, yeah, you need to get a seat. You should have asked her. Right. He could have been like, so. I'm really sorry. I've got a question. I've been pulling people. What is your third favorite ice cream? Right? Just like, completely?

Collin  31:35

Right. That's what I'm saying we're juggling would come in handy, because it's just not out of nowhere. But I think that question is a very close second, or probably first since I don't know how to juggle. But this is probably how I would introduce that I'd go. Oh, cool. Cool. Cool. What's your third favorite ice cream?

Brandon  31:52

Yeah, you gotta work on that delivery. You gotta get it, you got to pet transitions important, right. And that's why it's a little less abrupt than juggling, which is good. Because if you just start flinging around spoons, people are gonna be real confused about their life. What the

32:05

heck is like

Brandon  32:11

to be known as panic juggling, right? With a bunch of scarves out of your pocket.

32:18

So you got to fetch balls to get the

Collin  32:20

ball. It's branded juggling. Yes.

Brandon  32:24

He's upset that you don't know what to say to conversations with other blue tennis balls. Well, what? What in the Steve Martin is happening right now? I don't

Collin  32:36

exactly. Like,

Brandon  32:39

oh,

Collin  32:40

because I know, this situation. It's just like, I like just a very realization of I am so ill equipped. And this is really, like, this is not a normal conversation that anybody should be having. And this is not like, why why? So? Gosh, yeah. So that was that was what primed me. There was my emotional primer going into the seminar. Right? And then yes, then all of these things are being thrown at me. He's playing audio clips from commercials that I haven't heard in over 20 years, that I'm like, audio

Brandon  33:18

clips, in relevant marketing, if you're 20 year old commercials, right? If you're like, welcome to furniture factory omelette, right? Like, if that's your reference boy, like,

Collin  33:28

Oh, no. Well, in some of the stuff was to show like, progression or like, this is the first one that they did and blah, blah, and, or is it was just his favorite. But why goodness, I was just like, I was it wasn't. I mean, I've described many things as a fever dream before. But I just think the, the amount of the pace of things that were coming and going and he kept on calling it was it was called the whole theme of this was like camping. And so he kept calling us campers. Oh, I know. Like, Well, no. Oh, a log up around the fire and let's chat.

Brandon  34:14

That's, that's it. Okay. Even coming from somebody who is an Eagle Scout, right? Like, that stuff is hokey. And nobody likes it. Right. Like, he's not what like in Boy Scouts. This these are not words that people said because we're hyper aware that people make fun of Boy Scouts for being hokey and lame. Oh, you can't? Can't be no throw around these words. These are not allowed. This is non negotiable. Okay, I'm gonna say the morning camper unless you are Cub Scout day camp. Right. So if you're a lower elementary school, yes. If you're talking to us, you know, eight year old. These This isn't okay vocabulary to be using anything outside of that purview. Right, right. And he

Collin  35:05

kept referring to like the guest speakers is like the camp counselors and stuff.

35:09

Right?

Collin  35:10

Oh, the extended metaphor. Oh, oh, it kept going like there were he even had them. It's good to be creative writing but not here. Well, his logo was like pine trees. It was kind of rustic home in

Brandon  35:25

the like a, like a elementary summer school. Right? It's gone wrong.

35:33

Yep. And he had a What did he have? He had a

Brandon  35:39

baker. Oh, I'm gonna sneeze. Sorry. That's I was in a basement. Right? It's a little musty down there. There we go. I'm back.

Collin  35:49

He had fake lanterns around the front of it that were like, but they were the disconnection between this is so fascinating of like, how we have come all the way back around to skeuomorphism of like, why does the fake lantern need to have a fake flickering flame in there? When that's not what fake lantern. That's all it lanterns are? And then I realized no. Oh, because if he had a real lantern, a fake Blanchett would just be a lantern, right? Because they're just right. It just has a light. And that's what modern Landreth anyway,

Brandon  36:23

it was. But he's, he's drawing upon his Amish heritage of the oil lamp. Right as Hurricane lantern right. There.

Collin  36:33

Right. So it was, like I said, gravy. Yeah, it was, it was very interesting. He is I said, I wrote a lot about some things. And then others was like, Oh, this is not important to me. Because the other aspect of this too, and I talked with Megan extensively about this afterwards, is just

36:55

the fact that

Collin  36:57

service based businesses with a set service radius are hard for these people to get their brains around, or how we operate.

Brandon  37:04

No, yeah. Cuz it's they're looking at like, they always want to expand the radius of their influence. Right? Yeah, they don't have a set. Because all of their stuff like people come to them, right. Like people come to Amish kitchen guy. Yes. Right. He doesn't have to worry about going and servicing them at their place. I mean, I guess he does eventually if they're going to install stuff, but like, Yeah, but that's not as big an issue. No, kind of thing. Yeah.

37:32

Right. Yeah. That makes

Collin  37:33

Yeah. And so, you know, later they were talking about methods of, of advertising. And we're like, well, kind of what do you need help with? I was like, Well, you know, I say, oh, like broadcasts. I was like, No, I serve six a six mile radius. Right. Your radio ad who reaches?

Brandon  37:56

I don't know. Yeah. Camdenton out really? Bad. Right. Like they don't need to hear about me and foresight. Okay. That's not helpful. Right. Yeah,

Collin  38:11

I don't say helpful. And TV. Also not helpful. Even worse. Right. Right. So shooting promo videos or ad slots that would be accompanied with that. Whether or not or not helpful. And then, and then they swung into. Oh, so you're really thinking targeted ads? And I was like, Ah, well, here's,

Brandon  38:39

here's the crux of that problems, the fee. Yeah. Because, and I have talked

Collin  38:45

about this on the show before. They went down the same road of like, well, you can put a pin at your competitors locations. And anytime somebody enters there, and then they go searching on Google, your your ad

Brandon  38:58

will pop up to them. There was like, Yeah, see, when I

Collin  39:03

get a targeted ad from something, I unsubscribe from that thing. And add another ad blocker. And they were looked at me they're like, what? I was like, Yeah, I listened to I used to listen to several podcasts that all of a sudden, like a local ad for a local car lot would come on. And that's creepy. And so I unsubscribed for that podcast. And I just don't get to listen to that content anymore. Because I don't want to be tracked, followed. And one of our core promises and core tenets and values of our company is that the client will be respected. And I don't think it is respectful that person's privacy to do that kind of behavior. And so we're not going to engage in that. What else you got? And this was like, this really threw them for a loop to to learn that. I run like ad blockers on all of the devices. I have multiple VPN like And it's not because I'm trying to do things illegal or like, do nefarious things. It's, I don't like the crap. So that was hard for them to gather around and was basically like, well, you can't do radio, you can't do TV. You can't do targeted ads on a digital space. So you're left with like, Facebook, social media, and your Google My Business and doing some, like limited flyers to mail. Because they're like, oh, have you mailed flyers? I said, Oh, we mail flyers. But how many do you mail out? And I know that the answer that they are finding, the answer that they are wanting is like, Oh, 20,000, right. That's what they're used to doing. Well, the 100 last month, yeah.

Brandon  40:46

What? And I'm like, Okay, we're targeting like a neighborhood like, we're already here. Right? Right, like I already have, if I had like two clients that live like over in this general area, that I'm going to blanket that neighborhood. Because if I'm already over there, right? Then my turnaround time between visits is much, much shorter, right? If I instead of driving, like across my six mile radius, I drive around the corner.

Collin  41:15

And I told him, I said, Even if I were able to target several streets, you know, not a whole zip code, because he was like, Oh, are you doing zip code? And I was like, no, like, I'm doing like, house? Like, not even a whole block, right? I'm just doing like, five houses around an existing client is. That's all we do. And he goes, he just looked at me. And again, I'm going, if I had 1%, return rate on that 10,000. I would be crushed. Like I couldn't take on any of them. Yeah, like we're a service

Brandon  41:51

industry with like, you know, this X number of employees, right, like, you can't like, there's not an infinite leap that you can take forward into, you know, I don't have yeas. No, you don't have like, just employees waiting around. Right. Right.

Collin  42:06

And so kind of like, again, this whole, like, walking through everything with them. And I, it's weird, because this is now like, the second time that I've done this with somebody who's in this space. And we always end up back at the same same point, which is, well, I

Brandon  42:25

guess, you know,

Collin  42:27

keep doing what you're doing. I know, which is frustrating, because it's like, there's no way there's no, because you know, me, and you know, we're sitting here thinking, There's no way we're doing everything that we can there's no what what else can we do? What should we end? Every time? It's like, No, you're doing it like, oh, okay, we'll just keep doing

Brandon  42:50

it. That that conversation we have for about boxes, right? You know, these people are like, Oh, you need to think outside the box, you need to try this. But then they encounter something that is outside of their box and they go?

43:06

I don't know. Right?

Brandon  43:08

Right. Like the box that you're operating in is actually quite small in scope. Right. And you think about when you say think outside the box, you are thinking about like, little things, right? You're not thinking about like, like, really crazy alternatives to the idea, right? Oh, this not this not even close. These it is back to the two different size boxes thing, right. This is the two boxes problem that we have here.

Collin  43:37

Right? Well, it's it's very interesting that you bring that up, because at several points in the conversation, they tried to talk about like franchising, or expanding more like, geographically and further out words that fit the model that you're right. Right.

Brandon  43:59

I'm a history teacher come on.

Collin  44:01

And I was like, I know, I'm like, No, that's not really want to go right now. And they got a little frustrated. And I know why. Because just like you said, that's the that would fit their model of marketing and advertising better than what I'm proposing.

Brandon  44:18

They're looking for like an exponential growth. Right? That's what they expect, right? They're looking for their growth chart looks very different, right? It's a different formula on the graph, right? They're looking for exponential growth, where they want to, like really zoom out and their curve, like the rockets upwards, where you need a much more like linear graph, right? We need to expand in these areas, and we need to do it by these increments, and we have to do these things. So it's, it's the, it's like, it's literally two different math, math equations. Right? If you graph those two things, it's a different it's a different formula, the different function on the graph, right? So like, trying to Those two things trying to talk to each other is a difficult thing to do.

45:06

Yeah, because they that's, you

Collin  45:09

know, multiple times during the presentation that was, oh, well, you know, we've started working with this person, and they went from $1 million. And they're $19 million in this student blah, blah, blah. I'm like, none of that. Like, that sounds appealing. Well, I just like, I'm just trying to do our best here like, and unfortunately, what happens is, people like them turn and basically go like, well, your dreams not big enough. So it's not good enough. So yeah, go, I guess fail at life. Right? That's, that's really the feeling that you get from people. And that goes in all walks of life of, Oh, you don't want to go be an astronaut and you don't want to go be president and you don't want to do all this stuff? Well, your dreams aren't big enough. And it's incredibly infuriating to me when that kind of conversation comes up because it's very toxic.

Brandon  46:01

How old are people you're talking to you? Oh, one was late 40s.

Collin  46:08

But the presenter guy, I mean, he's,

46:11

he's way over. Right. Yeah, he's

Collin  46:13

pushing 70 or more.

Brandon  46:15

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because this is the modern message that, you know, like, the, we read things about, like, what's being pushed to kids on like, tick tock and YouTube shorts and stuff. It's that, like, mentality like this, like really weird, like, overdrive, like, mask masculine nonsense, right? It's kind of trashy, right? It's like,

46:36

it's like, yeah, you got to do this, because you got to invest

Brandon  46:39

in yourself, and the sky's the limit, and like, all this, like, really weird, like, it was on motivational posters and middle schools in like, 1983, right, but like, it's, like, wrapped up in a new way. And like, I don't, I It feels like a very, like, I know, it's like a very 1980s like, Wall Street kind of thing, right? Like, it feels kind of that kind of vibe. And that didn't work out, as we know. So like,

Collin  47:08

it's a five, it's a vibe pushed out by honestly, like branders and marketers, because they, they want the sky to be the limit, because then they have more people to breathe and market to and with. And for and that mindset of bigger is always better. It is very much this 1980s before, you know, the big, you know, the other big crash.

Brandon  47:35

Yeah, 90 days, right? really stuck, crash, right? pre pre then when everything was like, oh, up and up and up and up and up and bigger is better. And like really big, extravagant, that's what you need. Everything's got to be big and gaudy. And that's, you know, more is more and that kind of stuff. Right? Like, man, like, yeah, you know, that's as, like, it's, it's that, I don't know, is that like, hyper? Like, greed almost right? is driving it not like, it's not it doesn't come from it. Not always. Okay, this is a generalization. I'm aware of that. Right? sweeping generalization ahead. Like, doesn't come from a place of like, I want to serve my customer the best, right? It's like, I want to have the most customers. Yeah, gray that's gonna lay yeah, those are two different. Those are two different things, right? Like the Dave Thomas problem, right? You believe Dave Thomas, when he's talking about like, I want to make you a good hamburger. You know, those are not the same message. Right? Right. Those are not the same. That's not the same path of I want to make you a good hamburger. Right? I want to be your jeweler to I want to sell a lot of jewelry. Those are not those are not the same message. You know, and that there's no right or wrong necessarily, but you know, there you don't need to sell the most jewelry. If you want to sell good jewelry to people. It's not not the same. Right? Well,

Collin  49:15

yeah. Because it's about your goals for what you want. And I that's that's hard to get this this idea of kind of twist this on to have like, do I want like how to put this up like, do I want to have a lifestyle? Or do I want to just or, or do I feel like I have to be crushing it everything and winning. Those are two different mindsets of of what what you want your life to look like and in business. I think a lot of people start out going I just want to lifestyle business. I just want to help people. And even the this this branding thing started off by talking about be customer focused right customer focused Have not product focused customer focus not product focused. And I Yes, I agree on that. But then you realize, oh, it's not it's customer focus, because we're worried about the number of customers the amount

Brandon  50:13

of customers. Yeah, not. Yeah, the quality that we're giving them, right? Like, yeah, well, how many of them there are.

Collin  50:20

And he was talking about this ladder experiment, or this ladder mentality of, of, right, draw a ladder, put seven rungs on it. I'm gonna give you a market category. And I want you to write as many brands as you can. And fill up Funch your goal is to fill up all seven. And he said toothpaste. Right. And he's like, you know, I was in a Walmart. He said, I was in Walmart the other day, and I counted, there are 14 brands of toothpaste. How many? Can you name? Two? Right? Yes. Yes, exactly. That's what I wrote. And interestingly, neither of them are my brand of toothpaste that I use. I don't know its name, I just know its color and where it is on the shelf. So I'm okay.

Brandon  51:01

I was thinking of the one I use and Colgate, obviously. I guess I remember crest. Okay. Yeah. Not sponsored by toothpaste. Okay. But

Collin  51:14

I wrote crest and Colgate. And I could not remember the name of mine that I actually use, like, I have no idea what it's called. I just know where it

Brandon  51:23

is. And what, yes, this is Colgate and the other one.

Collin  51:29

And, and this, this was to show you that this teaching principle was what this was, if you're not number one, or number two, on people's minds, you're nothing.

Brandon  51:40

He's a buyer to the store. Because when you're presented with them side by side, and you read them, and then one is significantly less, you got to know one,

Collin  51:46

I guess. And that was that exact, that whole concept that you just mentioned, was at no point addressed in this entire thing. Of let's talk about the buyers journey of like, they don't have you a problem. They do have a problem. They discover you. They learn more about you. They move forward. Like where does pricing come into this?

Brandon  52:07

Yeah, I mean, it this only works in some markets like this is a good like idea. But then, then you move into like, shirts. Okay, well, now there's like 200 billion brands, I can name you one of them. But like, I don't care, right? I'm looking at a lot of other things. I'm not looking at the branding, right? I'm not looking at this I'm not looking at. You don't buy toothpaste because the brand, right? You I mean, I'm sure somebody does one time, but then you buy like, you buy it first cuz you're like, I don't know what toothpaste to buy. Right? Your dentist gives you one little thing and you go okay, well, I guess let's use that. But like, you do other things, right? There's so many other market influences now in 2023 with like internet and product research and like product rankings, and like independent market websites that like look at all kinds of stuff, right? And so, like, there are the big brands, but these are now legacy brands, right? Like you're not buying Nike because it's a good shoe. Right? You're buying Nike because it says Nike on it. Right? Yeah, really. And that, like all those other products that no one sees you use, like, it's literally doesn't matter. Buy the one that you like, like no one, no one's gonna be like, no one's gonna come to your house and be like, Oh, bro, I see you got the good toothpaste like they're not doing?

53:26

No. No.

Collin  53:30

And, you know, I was thinking about this, like, this kind of branding and stuff only works in market segments that aren't commoditized. Right, exactly. Right. Like, when I go, I need to go, I need shirts and some shorts. What do I do, right? I go to Amazon, I Oh, no, I go to Amazon. And I go to Amazon, I go, I go Amazon Basics. And I select a couple of different colors. Maybe a different option. And I buy like I'm just, I don't know, like, I just need a shirt. Right? That's all kind of going for. That's true. And, and so it's yeah, it's also Yeah, but it's like what you're saying, like, if you just need something, you're just gonna go get it. And the brand doesn't really matter for certain objects or items. So it's irrelevant,

Brandon  54:17

like this. I mean, it is now again, this is somebody who is like, going to be 40 in a couple years. And I like there are some of these brands are just like etched into my brain be from like all the insane advertising from long time ago. So like,

54:34

it's unbidden. Nobody, you know, summon it out of the ether. But I think about Dockers, like everyone else does, right? Because it's so like in firmly ensconced in your brain. That is what drives minds. If

Brandon  54:49

you're of a certain age, and you saw you grew up a certain time, right, that is it. And so that's just I don't care. Do I necessarily want to buy them? No, but like, that's what I think about All right. You know, I guess you can combat the market force with your other dress pants, right, whatever. But like, no one cares. I mean, people care very much about this stuff. A lot of people care very deeply about these things. Those people are not named me. But like. So again, I'm not a target audience for these things. Because I'm, I don't care, right? I'm not interested in that. I just want pants like, it's all right. That would be nice. That would be.

Collin  55:34

And so that, again, that gets back to a lot of this like it real world application. And it may just have going, how much does this actually work? And obviously, it worked. Something works, because people do this all the time. But to go, there is a way to run this without an end, you should be able to do that without feeling like, if you're not going to the moon and back. Why are you even in business, and I get that feeling sometimes of when talking about these people or people at business networking events, or just people in general, again of this? Well, if you if you're not doing these things, you're a waste of time. And it's just because at the end of the day, like here's the other thing of like, it benefits these people like the people who dismiss you, the reason they're dismissing you is because you can't they can't use you. Yeah, right

Brandon  56:34

and no benefit to them. Right. You can't. They can't, you can't hire them for marketing purposes, right?

Collin  56:41

Because Oh, weirdly, weirdly. Brandon, it's crazy. Are you ready for this? One of the core principles of of surviving a tough time in the economy? Get this? The fourth principle that he talked about was don't slash budgets, optimize them? Oh, why would a marketing agency want to tell me to not slash? Oh, that's right. My marketing budget?

Brandon  57:04

Yeah, you want to be, you don't want to be cut out of the pie.

Collin  57:10

And again, I understand market to good times and bad and using your money more wisely is a good principle. But we also have to recognize that there there is an ulterior motive here. Why that's important to them, the marketing agencies telling you, oh, no, no, you should use your ad spend down.

Brandon  57:32

Like we're an essential, right, like, like, if you if you're thinking about like, essentials and non essentials and like, where to cut things. They want to be in the essential category. Yes.

Collin  57:42

Yep. Yep. So

Brandon  57:47

and they also don't like the other reason I think they poopoo you're like, Well, you can do like Facebook and social media marketing. I guess, if that's all you got, like, because you can do that yourself. Yeah, you don't need them. Market on social media. Cuz that's the whole point is you can just do it. Yeah.

Collin  58:08

Yep. And, and, yeah, you're there, they get cut out. They're not needed. And instead of coming across as like, instead of like, what you should say in those instances is sounds like you really have a handle on this, and you're running the business that you want. I wouldn't worry about anything. You may just need to be a little bit more patient. But that's what should be said. But instead of comes across of as well. I guess if that's all you want to do? Run your little thing. Okay,

Brandon  58:36

well do that. Very dismissively. I don't want a yacht. I guess. Loser. Like

Collin  58:45

he lived he literally had a picture of him on a yacht. Of course he did.

Brandon  58:50

He's always boardshorts a yacht but part about his yacht probably rented rented that is see through the smoke man. Because there's always got to print it out the Internet has taught me to not trust anyone see a picture of a person on the yacht I'm like brass that you're gonna love it. Yeah

Collin  59:19

so that was that was my day with a slap of reality mixed in.

Brandon  59:26

In the next exciting day. Ah, that was it was Oh man. i There we go. Oh nothing near as exciting as my life. Oh man. I should have been any marketing meetings or wild like that. I know. Right. Shocking. And you have to get to some like meeting next week.

Collin  59:57

About grade card

Brandon  1:00:00

Changes in nonsense. I don't know. I'll report how well that goes later. I haven't been yet. So I have no knowledge of what's actually happening. So

1:00:09

nothing's wrong. But

Brandon  1:00:12

I did make my kids give their first presentation this year today. No sighted it was not fine. They were sad about nothing. Good. did tell them is the best reaction I've ever had, though. I told them like, ah, hey, here's my rule is I take volunteers first. Right? So volunteers, when I run out of volunteers, I will randomly assign who goes next. So I go, I use this website called the wheel of

Collin  1:00:42

names. And it's just like a big

Brandon  1:00:46

wheel of fortune wheel. And you just type things on it. And then you click it and it spins and it just adds a picker. Right? But I put it up on the board today. Oh, I was just like, All right, next up is click and then it actually like spins around. They were like, holding their breath palpable exhales whenever they

1:01:13

are but

Collin  1:01:17

oh, just this nice tension and drama.

Brandon  1:01:20

Yeah, it's fine. It's a presentation about their where they want to go to vacation is that like, feel like, oh my god, though. There'll be a little harder later on, but this will ease them into it, you know, right. Build up the thing but that was funny. I put them on there. So we did today. Do the rest of them tomorrow. Because we didn't get all the way through. Practice. You

Collin  1:01:44

have some good vacation spots and ideas come up?

Brandon  1:01:47

Oh, yeah, that's pretty good ones on there. Right. Like every one there's, you know, definitely the ones that are like way better as another dish, right. But yeah, there was some good ones on there. So we have some classics right. At the London's in the Tokyo's of the thing, right every once a while there's one that really like, guy. Ah, why would you go there? Ah, oh, I don't know. Right. What's while they somebody put somebody so know why they did it. She's very silly. But she did Antarctica. was hers. Ever had that one before? So that's new. But, yes, we're good. We'll finish out tomorrow. That goes and we'll get it ready to Brady's Mesopotamia time

Collin  1:02:37

is best it is a Mesopotamia time of year

Brandon  1:02:40

is ready. I'm excited. I am in the middle of redoing my day. Last year for it towards the end of the year when we're doing Greek stuff. We have these little things like storytime right where I will like tell them like famous stories from the period right so I do want about Theseus and the Minotaur you know, Decius namesake have two episode titles from this podcast weirdly. And the I do one about the Trojan War, right? So I'm going back and doing one about the Epic of Gilgamesh. So I just make slides onto like a slideshow with like, just pictures, you know. So I like when I can highlight the important parts and go through there. And so I'm in the middle of remaking one for Gilgamesh. So I didn't have one last year, because I decided after that, like, oh, I should have pictures that would be better. And so

1:03:41

should yeah.

Collin  1:03:42

Well, I mean, there's help, right? So make small adjustments.

Brandon  1:03:45

Let's go. Yeah, so I'm doing that I have found my new card that I have the summary of the last year. So I have the summary on there to cut out some things because it's a little bit some of the parts of like gear in skeptic. So we give that give that edited version to the 12 year old right, it's important. Cut out some of the scandalous bits and then go there so yes, for all the listeners going to you tell sixth graders that Epic of Gilgamesh, not all of it. Okay, fine. Skip, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip. So yeah, that's I have been doing Oh, and I successfully recorded some audio tracks for my special education students this week. John, I will see, you know, they're not like perfect. still messing around with the setup a little bit, but we got that done. So that's ready to rock. Hopefully that works. We'll see. See how helpful that is, but we'll get that going too. So I started doing that in the Yeah, we have some weird random stuff happening. Oh, yeah. Next week is pumpkin patch time. Right. And then Then we have to wait a couple weeks. We are doing the fall reading celebration slash Halloween tie in. Right that's a haha Nice nice. So Susan does the Susan helps the library put on the reading celebration thing. And so there's like games and activities and they take the kids trick or treating around town and the school bus during like their special class time and stuff like that. And then there's like other activities and stuff and we have to do things and whatever but yes, that is

1:05:35

what we're doing and

Brandon  1:05:38

and I'm bringing this up mostly to tell you that part of the thing is they want teachers to dress up

Collin  1:05:45

as book characters. Right? Which

Brandon  1:05:50

this is not appealing to me at all because I hate dressing up. It's a My worst part is spoilers for like a future episode here. We talk about Halloween movies. I don't like Halloween and I think it's lame. But right. What? I have picked a book character. Character use me to dress as for Halloween. Okay, are you ready? Okay,

1:06:17

are you ready? Yeah. Tony we're gonna

Brandon  1:06:25

the ultimate crossover event. Hi,

Collin  1:06:27

we're good. Wow. Okay,

Brandon  1:06:30

because I'm gonna wear jeans and a T shirt. Nailed it.

Collin  1:06:37

And and what are you going to be carrying?

Brandon  1:06:41

Well, the book probably can also an egg sandwich. Thank you.

Collin  1:06:48

You're just gonna have to make it last all day long. Make twos and have

Brandon  1:06:53

a practice. I print out a picture of an egg sandwich. Just put it on my desk and all the kids like what are you doing? Oh,

Collin  1:07:00

no, even better or naked? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're gonna, you're gonna you're gonna have the book. You're gonna make a dust jacket. And the outside is going to be the exhale

1:07:11

that would be sick. So that's

Brandon  1:07:19

how this works. Yes, I have access to the color printer now. So I

Collin  1:07:25

do you got your printer issues resolved and everything right? It

Brandon  1:07:28

did not really. Okay. Sorry for working on that. I know. I tried it today. But I think I have to reboot my whole thing again. And I didn't want to do that today because I had like 90 tabs open. For the work I was doing. So I sure want to like restart my computer to reset my printer thing. So yeah. dust jacket, book cover of an egg sandwich. I think yes. Yeah. Thanks. I think that's what I'm doing. I'm gonna wear like a black T shirt.

Collin  1:08:02

Gonna get your hair grease back. I mean, I

Brandon  1:08:04

could. I don't have that hair. I don't have quite as much hair as pony. But we could think about that wig. Get a wig down. Get down. Okay, don't worry about it. One, I think the English teacher will get my joke. That'll be it as

Collin  1:08:24

well. And if you need if there's one person who should get it,

Brandon  1:08:28

Astro teacher, she's got me. She'll give

Collin  1:08:35

the best. The best. That's great. I requires

Brandon  1:08:38

it requires no costume. I was like, Well, I just need to dress up as like a normal person. Yeah. Yeah. Who cannot be and I was like, wait. I know. I know. Yeah, I think I think I still have my leather jacket around here somewhere. It probably doesn't fit very well. But

Collin  1:09:03

you know, for the few times that you're gonna be wearing it in and out throughout the day. I think it'd be fun. Yeah,

Brandon  1:09:08

I think I think I think we'll make it work. I just put it on. It'll help with the look, right? Because I don't have a jean jacket. Because who has a jean jacket and 23 No money. No, it's fine. Right? Maybe Goodwill has crossed lines, and I have a jean jacket. But yeah, it's gonna wear some old jeans and a T shirt

Collin  1:09:30

instead Ponyboy oh well, obviously photos are gonna be required to this so

Brandon  1:09:40

it's all Yeah, all van. It's gonna be great. But I just thought I needed to share with you my Halloween costume idea. Because I knew that you would appreciate it.

Collin  1:09:49

Yeah, no, I think it's gonna I think it's very it's very exciting, but it's very exciting. I approve, especially with the

Brandon  1:09:58

egg sandwich. However you tie that in Am I just yeah, we have to make sure it's there somewhere. I don't want to carry a sandwich my pocket. Oh, that'd be real awkward Oh, that'll be good. i It's great. I was like, Okay, I mean, now that I didn't want to dress up as like some like weird lame character, but every pony.

Collin  1:10:24

Like, wait, I'm in Yeah. All in now. Okay,

Brandon  1:10:26

I'll try this. Again. i Why my motivation is I need to dress up as a normal person, because I don't want to procure costume bits. No, that's annoying. That's an expense I don't need in my life. Right? I've ever been, I want to like not buy, I don't want to buy things that I will literally never wear again in my life. So except only it is. Except if they continue to do this. That's true. For next year. Yes. Sure. I don't know what to do about that. But we'll We'll worry about that next October. Well see, well, maybe we'll write another book by then. Or Oh, brother, so I might have more English to choose from here. Yeah, but I liked I like this idea of using using our first our first Freemont book, the outsiders. Right. So there we go. Yeah, listeners unfamiliar, we did a whole read through of the outsiders. Right. So that you can find that on our website, right for translators who find it? multi part episodes of a deep dive into the outsiders. But into the shelter. Yeah, always reverse. Yes. The outside of verse right. There we go. So I'm I try and figure out yeah, what what on earth? Yeah, man,

Collin  1:11:51

that was That was crazy. We did that in a long time ago.

Brandon  1:11:54

Now, a long, long, long time ago, as I was like, there's over 200 of these things already. What the heck out of that? Yes. does not pass. Well. How did that happen, though? Easy. Right. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah.

Collin  1:12:17

So we will try to include a link or two to those should be updated on the on the costume front. Yeah. Eight photos. And, uh, and while you're doing that, I think Do you want to try what? I think next week, we should do the do you want to do next week for the Halloween thing? Or do want to wait till the week before Halloween? Do

Brandon  1:12:42

Oh, we can do it next week. If you want to write? That's fine. I am having trouble with my list. Right? I have. I'm having list identity problem. Right? Uh huh. Because as the aforementioned problem is I don't like following. Right. It's like the least favorite holiday out of like, I prefer Arbor Day. Alright, this has worked, but I don't know. I don't know. Since the challenge is best Halloween movie. I can't decide if my list should be movies that are actually centered around Halloween, or movies that are like Halloween vibes. Right. Like, tangentially related that you could watch because they contain like, spooky elements.

Collin  1:13:31

This is I mean, this is the diehard problem, right? Yeah, it is of what classifies and I think that's valid. So yeah, I have

Brandon  1:13:40

like this split list. On my paper here. I have like a list that's like Halloween ish movies. And then I have a list that like, just tangentially related to Halloween. Weird, like mixing them together. They don't know which direction we're going to go.

Collin  1:13:58

Don't know. Donald wants to know. Alright, well, we'll plan on doing it next week. But if you need an extension, we will.

Brandon  1:14:10

Yeah, we will. I think I think I think I could probably whittle them down. I've been I've watched a few of these. I've done some research on some of this stuff. And like, and some of them are like, we didn't get some of them. Like I've like, watched Part of them or like watch highlights of them. And now like, oh, I don't even like this movie.

Collin  1:14:27

Right. So like,

Brandon  1:14:31

it is a Halloween movie. Like there's one that I watched was like, this is a Halloween movie straight up. And I don't have a lot of like pure Halloween movies. I don't have enough to make a five list. I really love this movie, though. So like,

Collin  1:14:45

a feeling. Feeling like you're you're forced to have something on there that you don't want to. Yeah, I

Brandon  1:14:51

don't want to put something on this that I don't believe in. Right. I feel like it would be a good like runner up or a movie to mention like okay, Yeah, alternate but like I don't feel like it has a place on let's be fair enough really not a movie that I would like. Want to watch like multiple times. So we may have a hybridized list. It might be like a couple of Halloween movies, a couple Halloween vibey movies, right there in the spirit of Halloween because they're like, mildly spooky, right? Or there is a ghost or

Collin  1:15:22

something like that. That's fine. Okay.

Brandon  1:15:25

I just want to share my crisis that I've been having right.

Collin  1:15:30

There. I think that's fair. That's fair. Well, now that we have we have the Asterix and the qualifiers. I think that sets Yeah, that's good expectation.

Brandon  1:15:41

All right. Well, to share mine to everybody here. This is not an easy list to put together.

Collin  1:15:46

No, no, it's hard. It's hard. It's kind of the same stuff too. Because there's a lot of like, yeah, anyway, we'll talk all about that. Next week. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fantastic. Ah, great. Well, lots to look forward to. All right. Love you.

Brandon  1:16:04

Love you. Bye.