changing rivers

Collin is talking to dogs. Brandon is living in 2025. We have some opinions on bands for the Missouri State Fair.

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podcast, changing rivers, dryer buzz, tablecloth, pup cups, dog flavors, Clarkson's Farm, direwolf, extinction, Missouri State Fair, Skid Row, REO Speedwagon, Tower of Power, Sheryl Crow, Cake

SPEAKERS

Speaker 1, Speaker 3, Speaker 2, Collin

Collin  00:04

Music. Welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, changing rivers.

00:18

Hello, Ahoy, ahoy.

Collin  00:20

I was a little thrown off. There was a big buzzing noise as soon as you came on.

Speaker 1  00:24

Sorry, the that was, that was great timing. I connected in my dryer went off or simultaneously.

Speaker 2  00:29

So pay no attention to the noises in the background. Everything is

Collin  00:37

unmuted. And I thought there was like, like a fire alarm or something going on that

Speaker 3  00:41

was just the best timing ever, like, the second I hit the button, it was

Collin  00:49

okay, yeah, like, Oh, hey. Oh,

Speaker 3  00:51

that's a little worries. Just my ridiculously loud dryer buzzer. Oh, no. My dryer really wants everyone to know that it's finished. That's what it's just, just like, yay. It's not done. It's really old dryer. So sometimes you're like,

Collin  01:09

are you though? Are you done? Are you really done? Let me just come over and do one should be done this time. This is ours, ours we bought. I mean, ours is 10 years old, ours cannot what? Can't it dry. It cannot try our so for the kids, they're on their comforters, or they're on their mattresses, they have an extra, like, kind of, not necessarily a pillow top cover on them, but it's kind of like that little extra thing, but like a mattress topper,

01:37

actress topper,

Collin  01:38

but it's not super thick. Our dryer just cannot fathom how to dry this it. Oh, yeah. No matter what I do, how I do it, what setting, whether it's I can I have forced it to dry it for an hour straight, I'll do a timed dry on the like the bone dry setting. And it just, I don't know. Everything else is just fine. It's just one thing where it's like, I don't, I don't know. So

Speaker 1  02:03

ours is a little slow with pretty much everything. But like, towels are just like, okay, like, it's never gonna, never get dry. You know the thing, whose job it is to, like, hold water,

Collin  02:17

yeah? You know that you want to, then say, not water,

Speaker 1  02:21

yeah, but it's like, designed to hold water, so drying it in a pretty old dryer, not, not really, just a very convenient thing to do. We may hear a buzz again here in a minute, because it's like, because it's like, it will do a buzz, and then, like, a couple minutes later, the the real buzz when it actually stops. I don't, I don't know why it does that. I just, that's just how it works. It's like, Hey, I'm getting ready to be done, and then, oh, I'm done again. Hey, I That's fantastic. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see.

03:12

So, how is it? How you been? How's it going? I

Collin  03:15

am literally talking to you after having been in my house for 10 minutes. Wow. How fun is that. I mean, we did it to ourselves. So this year, we says to ourself, self, what we need to do is we need to do more like events, where we need to go, and we need to have a booth and do stuff at things. And so we, I spent way too much money on a tablecloth, like a fitted tablecloth thing with our brand and colors. And so now, of course, we're like, well, sort of justify this tablecloth, to justify this tablecloth. So today, one of the stores in our service area was doing a in my far away service area, I'll add, was doing a picture with the Easter Bunny. It's $10 and the money goes to a local rescue. So okay, well, yeah. So I was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna ask if we can attend. It's a little and then they were like, Yeah, sure, absolutely. So I was like, great, and it's for three hours. I stood outside today handing out pop cups and

Speaker 1  04:35

Megan, and I stumbled saying things like, Do you know I also sit rabbits, just, you know, hmm, I can say bunnies too. Just, so, you know, you have a

04:45

bunny, yes, so,

Collin  04:48

so I spent three hours handing out pub cups to people. And because Megan, I stumbled across there is a dog specific whip whipped cream company. Me that makes flavored cup cups. Oh so pumpkin, peanut butter, bacon, chicken or plain is what you can have. And because people would say, oh man, they love pub cups, and I'd say which flavor, and they'd go, what their flavors. And I'd be like, for you, there are for you, there are, here are what they are. I realized suddenly that giving people five random flavors for a pup, cup for their dog, is way too much, too many for anyone to process. So I stuck with it, because I was like, Well, let me just see, because I'll get some idea of what people gravitate towards. And I don't know, do you want to guess which what like was the one? Okay,

Speaker 1  05:47

yeah, that's what I was gonna Okay, so you're, hold on. Can you repeat the flavor we got plain Hold on, plain chicken, bacon, or the other two, pumpkin and peanut butter. I feel like, I feel like pumpkin is not in the top here. I feel like, because it's dog, it's gonna be either peanut butter or bacon, because people think that dogs love bacon, because those bacon strips commercials have brainwashed everybody to think that dogs love bacon, when it's

Collin  06:19

actually people, people that love bacon. People love their dogs. Having bacon is actually what it is. It's a, yeah, personal thing. Yes, I

Speaker 1  06:26

don't think dogs really care. It's you that likes bacon, transferring.

Collin  06:31

You could take that into literally everything there has to do with pets. Of the dog or cat does not care. It's you, the human cares. It's you who really is passionate about this. I don't know,

Speaker 1  06:43

based on the things, based on my old dog experience, old Chuck would have been like he was crazy for peanut butter, like he literally didn't care about anything else peanut butter or like, that was it like he was. We got

Collin  07:01

a lot of these too. So yes, Coby, Coby was, he was, I was also a peanut butter guy, but, so yes, I the one that I ran out first was indeed peanut butter, then bacon. So bacon is that I did not run out of it, but I did get really close. Okay, then the next thing that, so it's bacon. I'm sorry, peanut butter ran out first, then bacon, then plane. It's a plane. Was

Speaker 1  07:33

that that tracks? Because that's probably what people are used to getting. If they have had the pub Cup experience before, that's what they would have had, right? Because that's what they so they would have been that one,

Collin  07:44

yes, right? And, and we also got several people who said, Well, my my dog is sensitive to, yeah, that's fair. So what plane it is, plain it is, right? Yes. So then it was the next one was pumpkin, and then wow,

Speaker 3  08:03

chicken, chicken. Last chicken was last figure chicken over pumpkin. Though I would have figured

Collin  08:08

chicken over pumpkin as well, but they just didn't. So what I what we are going to do now is I have lots of these purchased, which is, which is fine, it's all good. But what we are going to do is I am only ever going to have two flavors out at a time. I'm going to have plain and one other and something else, something else.

08:37

Yes, this way

Collin  08:40

I can just default over to plane if they're like, Yeah, I don't know if I want to do chicken, but there are at least two. There are only two options, because by the time it's like, when you go to a restaurant and people are like, what are your what's your soup of the day? And they're like, Well, I've got bacon cheddar, I've got I've got French onion, I've got tomato, I've got you're like, Okay, I've already forgotten,

Speaker 1  09:03

but yeah, your specials should be you should have, like, two things. And that's yes,

Collin  09:07

especially when they're showing up and they're like, oh, cool pup cup, yeah, give me some whip cream. Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, I have five flavors. These people were not ready for this. They were not ready for that. So

Speaker 1  09:20

that was a learned, a little menu.

Collin  09:24

Just a little thing, right menu. So it was fine. We ended up it was good. It was good. There was a over the course of three hours, I think we had 75 dogs and cats come through. Oh, wow, yeah, which I thought was good. I thought was was very nice. And then we ended up, yeah, we ran out of some stuff, and it was good. I went and to help, let things last a little bit longer. Not all dogs get the same size. Size pup cup. So I just have two sizes. I have a large and a small. The small are the they're the red solo cups, but like the little shot glass size Walmart, these are for my tiny dogs that come through and then this, like the one up size from that is for everybody else. This, this helps make them last. Make it last a little bit longer. Oh

Speaker 1  10:24

yeah, if you have a bunch of little dogs, they just need a little bit of Yes. I mean, Chuck wouldn't say that. He would say, Well, no, I don't need a little bit get out of here with that

Collin  10:35

COVID. Would also hard disagree with this. That size does not matter. And

10:44

yeah, yeah. So

Collin  10:47

it was good. It was good. I'm very I was outside the whole time in the 58,000 mile an hour. Wind,

Speaker 1  10:53

so stinky, windy. What the heck is I don't live in Oklahoma. What's going on around here? Like, why is it so windy all the time?

11:07

It's been crazy,

Collin  11:10

yes, so that was fun to sit out and stand out there in that but anyway, it was a Other than that, and I'm genuinely worried. I have not taken a moment to check because I have my back, because the sun was setting behind me. I am. I'm a little concerned about my my calves, oh, and the potential for sunburn, because I'm the most sunburn prone person that I know. Yeah, so we'll see we'll see you tomorrow. Megan was like, do I need to get out the the aloe tonight? And I went, Well, if you got the aloe tonight, I won't be able to complain about this tomorrow and make myself a martyr. So no, I'll be.

12:00

So she double got it out so she doesn't have to listen.

Collin  12:02

She definitely set it out. And was like, Well, I'm not telling you what to do, but it's right here,

Speaker 1  12:09

but here it is for you to use. So, chop, chop.

Collin  12:17

So it was pretty it was good, good. Hooray, yeah. So that was fun. Other than that, that's that's been. We've just been covering some visits for people and stuff this week. So nice, yeah, yeah, that's been. We're trying to do more of those. I'm actually doing one tomorrow in our local service area, hey, so I won't have to drive as far, which is good news.

Speaker 1  12:43

That's exciting, like we Yes, good news.

Collin  12:50

Good So, yeah, that's, that's what I've been that's what I've been up to. You go, Well, I've joined

Speaker 1  12:54

the 21st century officially and figured out how to play my Amazon Prime on my television like a normal human. And so this weekend was mostly just spent making Susan watch Clarkson's farm, like I know we talked about this last week, but that was operation this week, and she's officially addicted. And I it went, Well,

Collin  13:22

no, that's good. I went and I realized that I had not watched the last of season two, so I finished that up, and then I watched all season three as well. So hey, I too. Did a binge, man. It is good. Is good. Did you have any major thoughts or takeaways?

Speaker 1  13:40

No, uh, I mean, she likes, she's Susan, so she likes all the she thinks he's hilarious, right? But she really likes all the side characters, like she loves, she's in love with Gerald, obviously, uh huh, right? But, yeah, she was also kind of taken aback by just how actually sincere he is about this endeavor, right? Like, even though he does jump in with both feet too much and go, Oh yes, I think I would like to have some chickens. How many should I have? 100 like, whoa. Like, yes.

Collin  14:12

I i realized in watching season three that he is the kind of person where, as long as he is passionate about something, he he will be dog headed in and unrelenting in the pursuit of it. It doesn't matter what it is, because he was like this with cars and winning and all sorts of opinions about that. And it's the exact same thing. It is opinions and stuff about farming.

Speaker 1  14:44

Yeah. I mean, when you watch season two about the whole restaurant fiasco, right? Like, that's pretty much that whole thing, yeah? Just like, yeah, because that's what we've watched. I we got it through season two, so we watched all of the first two seasons, but the whole season two is the restaurant. Shenanigans, and it's just like, especially that last couple of shows where he's like, yes, well, the official channels didn't work. Now it's time for sneaking. That's what can secretly open the restaurant. Instead, take that losers like that. Yes. It's

Collin  15:25

yeah and, and how he's like, I mean, the one thing that I took away from also watching season three was, my goodness, the red tape and the Oh yeah, everything where it's just like, well, the council has decided that you actually can't do this. It's like, why? Well, they don't want you to. It's like, Oh, wow. And he admits, like, I think what really hit me was when he said, he basically said, Sure, in season one, was this all kind of a joke? Yeah? Because the council was claiming that there was a tourist attraction and not an actual farm. And he's like, sure, and season one, yeah, me maybe hadn't, but it's actually become so much more than that. And, and I think it had become so much more than that, because he fell in love with it, like he genuinely was like, oh yeah. I actually, I actually want to make this a thing. I want to do this right, and I want to make sure that this is a good representation of me, or that's just his, his ethos of like, well, if I'm going to do this, like, I'm going to I'm going to do this. And that's where he, all of a sudden, became very possessive and very single minded in it. Well, I think it

Speaker 1  16:37

started happening in season two, right? Because I think a couple things happened, right? Um, number one, he he said, like, the the council tax, where it wasn't like that people couldn't do this. It's that you can't do this. Like, when he was, like, building his little road thing, and, like, you can't build a road in your own field that you own. You can't do that. And he was like, what? And Charlie was like, I've never heard of them saying that to anybody ever. And he even said, a farmer can't do it. And he looks at me, goes, no, no, you can't do it. Yeah, right. And so that, I think that really made him grumpy. But I mean, as you know, as with me, like, must be fair. But I think also during the whole restaurant endeavor, when he was, like, talking to the neighboring farmers, I think the other thing that made him, like, even more passionate about it was whenever he realized, oh, this would be good for you know, this would be good for me. They need this to happen, right? Like, yes, they like, it's fine for me, it would be okay, but they need this, right, like, and I think that is the other thing that kind of, he just saw it from other people's perspectives too, and I think that kind of made him even more determined to do that, all that stuff was, was that, I think that was some more motivation when he's talking to, like, the the milk farmer lady, and then the the pig lady, who was like, we can't sell any of our pigs. We have, like, a billion pigs. We can't sell them. And he was like, Yo, what the heck, man. Like,

18:20

this is just stupid, isn't it?

Collin  18:29

Well, and it was very poignant at the end of season three. They do these wrap ups right of each season of how much they paid, whatever. But he was really hammering it hard at the end of season three, of like, look, I'm fine. And kind of getting to what you're talking about here, like, I'm fine, because this isn't my only thing. But look at how hard we worked, look at what we had to do, overcome, and look what we didn't make, and look at how horrible this is. And it only takes, as he said, like two, three years. And because you get two or three chances at these and you're done. So, yes, I definitely, especially whenever he was doing the debacle with the mushrooms, where he's like, Well, I he was like, going around to the other farm shop. Yes,

Speaker 1  19:15

like, here's the that was theories. It was

Collin  19:19

great. It was great. But, yeah, I, I, that was my after I finished watching it, you had mentioned gorgeously shot, and I think that he's still doing a lot of the writing, because the whole ridiculous skit about the construction workers taking their tea deep, that was great. I love that so much. That is something that you would 100% see. And I think we did see in top gear when they were there of like, this, like, just commentary on this, like people and these things that they do, yeah, how outrageous is he's, he's actively involved in, oh, yeah, and how all of this is done. Like, when I saw that, I went, Oh, there's, there's Jeremy, okay, that makes a lot of sense now. Yeah. Yeah, but, yeah, beautifully shot, but just how he is really taking this to to heart. And I thought that was a very interesting to see.

Speaker 1  20:10

Yeah, I think so it's pretty good. So we gotta get, we gotta get her up on on season three, because I think Season Four coming soon. Yes, I do believe it is. I don't know when soon is. It might be this month, actually, so like,

Speaker 3  20:27

we'll see how that goes. But yeah, that's basically that was our big I like it. We can do was watching that. So we did, hung out, did like, random stuff around the house, and then

Speaker 1  20:38

just did that. So pretty good. But yes, we figured out how to make my television play things. So look at that. Look at that very 21st century digital. Boy, it's me, good. Good job

Collin  20:50

you're doing. It just time to watch stuff about dire wolves coming back. Yeah. Okay, so

Speaker 1  20:56

All right, so I was gonna bring this up also, right? Oh, it was, that's good segue. Good job. You read my mind. I want to know your thoughts on this direwolf debacle situation.

Collin  21:11

You know, I, I actually followed along very early, and we had actually talked about the this group colossal they had gotten hooked up with the guy who's doing, who was really wants to bring back the wooly mammoth, and we have actually talked about that guy on this to bring back these megafauna to these areas, and that, knowing that that was the starting point for all of this, of like, what are we bringing back? How can we bring this back? And then trying to test this and prove it? It makes sense. You know, they started with the mice, and they were doing the mice stuff and making the wooly mice they were working at, how do we make this? And I think that as a proof of concept, this is stinking amazing. This is really cool that they are trying. And I do recognize that there are people who are the who have the concerns of, like, oh, it's not actually a dire wolf, because it's, you had to guess at the last, you know, 1% or whatever of this to make this all complete, I think that the overall idea, though, of we're going to bring back these animals from extinction

22:32

is,

Collin  22:34

I've always been on the fence about this, because, one many animals went extinct for very good reasons or not very good reasons, but for reasons that were sometimes outside of our control. And so the world that they evolved in and were adapted to doesn't exist anymore. And that's where I come down to on a lot of this. I'm going, okay, but where are you going to put them? Like, where that

Speaker 1  23:00

was my question, like, what is the point of the wolf? Right? Like, why would you do that, other than my I'm very cynical, right? I was already cynical. Pearson 2025, is not helping that. But like to say, well, this is a publicity stunt to get more funding to do the other stuff that you want to do, right? That's kind and I'm kind of distraught by the fact that you, like, I made a wolf as a marketing ploy. It's like, bro, that that's weird. That's, uh, odd. I don't know if I like that, like, oh, it's,

Collin  23:41

it's so weird. I mean, how, and especially when you find out that,

23:49

oh, like, a

Collin  23:51

lot of the guys from Game of Thrones were actually financial backers for this, yeah, like, I'm going, Oh, wow. Okay, so you actually did, like you, you got you were thinking critically and culturally about this, to making sure that you did have something that people could immediately connect with. Because what I thought that they would do, because he goes into this article, I found in this article, I put it in the show notes, but like they start talking about the red wolf, like, yes, you should have done the red wolf. Why didn't you do the red wolf? Well, because nobody knows what the red wolf is, right does, but, but people know, but, but more people on earth know, what a myth, what not a mythical, but, like a long extinct creature. Was because of a note, because of a show, yeah, and

Speaker 1  24:39

it's very, I think that part where I'm going,

Collin  24:42

Oh, you really went after the zeitgeist here, of like you went after people's mindshare to in order to make this work, like you're saying, as a tool and trick to get people to focus more on this. And I, I 100% get it from a conservation of. Perspective of more money and stuff gets pulled and pooled around the large, big things. Because, yeah, that's what people know and can interact with. And your hope is, is that there will be this pulling effect of as we dump money into making it good so that the bald eagle can survive. This will help other endangered species that are beneath that. If I just came out and said the random, you know name of a bird, and you know that nobody's heard of, nobody's gonna be passionate about that. So I 100% understand why they did this. It's just It does feel not good. And again, I'm going, cool, you're talking about bringing back the Tasmanian devil. Where? Where are you going to put this, like, or not the Tasmanian devil, the tiger, yeah, yeah, the Thylacine, right? You want to bring back a Thylacine? Yeah, awesome. Where,

Speaker 1  25:50

at least it's habitats too, right? Like, not the Dire Wolf, who the the like you said, the ecological niche that it inhabited is gone, right? There's no prey for it to eat, right? Dopey, so like this The Thylacine, right? At least there is its ecosystem. Niche is there, kind of, I mean, it got brooded out by the dingo, and the dingo is still there, so you haven't really solved the problem. So there's, like, its niche was taken over by something else. So there's also not a place for it, really, right? Yep. Like, that's a problem. And I so that is, that's weird things like, like, you why you would start with, again, it's the Jurassic Park thing, like you, why would you do it with a predator first, right? Oh, because it's big and it's, like, flashy and whatever, right? It's like, but why? Why would you do it with a predator that, like, you can't do anything with it. It just gonna sit in a like, a preserve, right? You just have to build it on the ranch and be like, Yep, here it lives now in this thing with fences around it, because we can't let it go, because it'll, uh, eat everything, and it'll breed with a normal Wolf, because it is just a wolf. And again, I do, I did get a little bit hung up on the people being like, it's a direwolf. Like, it's not actually because dire wolves and wolves aren't even really that closely related, because it's a whole different species of thing. But that's whatever. That's just the early science nomenclature being wrong because they're like, Oh, this is big and kind of wolf like, so it's kind of like a wolf, turns out, turns out, no. So that's, you know, the name already stuck, though, so, oh no, but it's like, it's not even, it's not even the same genus, right? It's like, cheers to family. It's in the canid family. Oh, man, so closely related. So, like, that's the other thing that's weird is they did just get, like, these bread for the characteristics of the direwolf, right? Sure, and then, and then, or, or, like, mutated the genes to get those characteristics. They can't to speed up the process, right? Which is a little bit alarming, because this is what, this is what the Nazi scientists did to try to recreate the Oryx, the giant European forest cow thing of doom. That's what they did. They just like bred big cows to make it look like an oryx. And they were like, look what we've done. Like, uh, wait, yeah. Also, why would you want a big, a big, gigantic, super, angry cow and then just like, let it go in the wood. That sounds like a bad idea. Don't do that. The Angriest cow ever, yes. Let's have that. No, no, no, no. Yeah, it,

Collin  29:11

yeah, I just come back to, okay, to what, to what end? Are we really doing this? Because I think, I think in, I don't know, in my brain, and I haven't quite thought through this, there is a difference of bringing pulling an animal species back from the brink of extinction versus reviving one that went extinct. And I know with the technology that they're using, like the CRISPR technology and the things around that, one of the things that they are able to do is inject diversity in the genome where there previously was done. Because this is obviously a big issue when you try and come back from the extreme bottlenecks of having, oh, there are two individuals here, and they. Are able to, using this, create variation in the genome that basically they're they create variation where the variation won't impact the characteristics and stuff that they're actually going for, just because that's what's good, that's going to be healthy, and everybody's not just, yeah, just Colin population, exactly, exactly, right? Because that's what with that in mind you should focus on things like the northern white rhino, or like, you know, like, or the aforementioned red red fox, Red Wolf, right? Like you've you have all of these that are all around here that are desperately needing this and yet, okay, now you have two wolves that you know, two murder fluff mittens that are loose on a ranch that you hope will stay secret. Um, okay, gotcha Cool. Cool. Um, how is that helping other? Again, of course, other than, other than the funding photo opportunities and photo opportunities 100%

Speaker 1  31:03

Well, the other thing is, it kind of isn't helping, because I've already read some things about, like, some people because, like, you know, extreme capitalist lawmakers that don't want any regulation whatsoever. They are. Some people already been like, oh, well, see, we don't need an endangered species act now because, oh, sure, we don't need that. We don't need to protect species. Because we can just, like, twiddle them in a laboratory, and it's fine. So we don't need to protect them. We can just kill as many as we want. It's fine. Like,

Collin  31:35

there we No, you, no, why are you? Look, yeah, we don't need to protect anything. We can just bring it back, yeah.

Speaker 1  31:45

So that very laws I fear and misunderstanding of how this works is probably even more problematic than making a pretend direwolf, right? Like, I feel like, oh, that whole thing is just like a much worse in general, for just habitat diversity, because it's already not great and it's already not going well. And so would policymakers say that out loud, that's a problem?

Collin  32:22

Yeah, well, that's that brings a wonderful point of so you're going to spend all this time, energy, all this stuff, bringing you back species, as we've already mentioned, where are you putting them? Because if you actually do this, you are going to you, you must, you must then have the land conservation and preservation in hand with this, so that you're not bringing up the pets, animals without a home. Because I guess, what good would it? Sure? I guess some people would want to make one of these and stuff it in the zoo, or stuff it in the museum and go, fantastic. Look what we have like, is that just the point? Or are you actually going to because that's where things get really hard, because now you're dealing with landowners, you're dealing with government, you're dealing with very powerful lobbyists and vested people with vested interest in these things. And if you don't get that, then it's all kind of moot. Like, again, like the whole, oh, we're gonna bring back wooly mammoths and have them roam around the tundras. Like, cool, cool, great. Are the are the towns on board with this,

33:40

or, yeah, right. Like,

Collin  33:45

like, I like, geez, I hope, hopefully you're trying

Speaker 1  33:48

to plop a mammoth down in the middle of a village and be like, it's fine, don't worry. Like, it's native people, not really, not anymore. It's not, right, 12,000 years ago, it was, that's a bit of a long time, right? Like, exactly, yeah, lot, lots, uh, changed up in uh, 12,000 years. So, you know, I feel like,

Collin  34:24

Yeah, is it? And I guess this is where they'd be able to go. Well, what we'll do is we will just edit the genes, and we will edit the stuff to make it so that it can exist in the new environments,

Speaker 1  34:40

and we'll be all fine. They can they do, yeah, but again, why? Right? Like, if it's already not there and it's like, Fine, then. Yeah, why would you put it there and make it not fine? Like, you mean, like, it's just kind of weird. I don't know.

Collin  35:10

I mean, we have to be, we have to look back on the past and not saying that past performances predict future, you know, returns or whatever. Well,

35:19

yeah. But also they kind of do

Collin  35:23

our, our, our track record of introducing species to make things better, yeah, not good,

Speaker 1  35:30

yeah, let's go think about the cane toad, right? It's a perfect example here, right? I was gonna say kudzu, yeah, that too, that too, also that,

Collin  35:46

like, I would say cats or rats on various islands or things, dingers. Oh, man, I it's gone well do we? Yeah? But I think that that's so it's like you, you don't know. This the law of unintended consequences of what are we really getting into? We don't know. And even though we have our best guess of what we hope or think may happen here you you just don't, and that makes it really hard to get on board with it

Speaker 1  36:28

well, because there's such intricate connectivity in environmental systems, right, that you don't even know, like, you have to, like, really dig down there, and like understanding what's happening kind of like on a a very small scale level, because it's not just like macro things. It's not just like the your, you know, your standard food web of like, insect, fish, bird, right? There's like micro organisms at play here. We have to talk about the fauna in there and the flora together, right? Like, all that different stuff and then competing resources and, oh, like, it's just, yeah, it's just very, extremely intricate and delicate and, like, you can't know because there's just way too many variables in a situation like that, right? There's tons of them. So you can't be like, oh, yeah, it'll be fine. Like, no, there's like 50 variables in a situation. Like, how can you know that?

Collin  37:36

I mean, just going back to the very most recent introduction to this most recent large scale introduction, I think most people are familiar with, obviously, there's, well, there's reintroductions with, like, okay, elk and stuff here in Missouri. But let's go think of just the biggest headline one when they reintroduced wolves Yellowstone in 1995 okay, yeah, 1995 okay. When they did this, they introduced wolves because they were more concerned. They were concerned about they wanted them to be there. They were trying to make it more more complete ecosystem. They were trying to help with elk populations. They're trying to do all this to bring it more. On bells, okay, cool. Then a study came out, what 10 years or five years ago, about how wolves change rivers. Have you seen this?

38:22

No, okay,

Collin  38:23

okay. So, so cool. What they noticed is that all of a sudden, like the hydrology of the entire area, started to change,

38:34

because

Collin  38:36

the as they predated on the elk, they

38:42

the the

Collin  38:44

vegetation along riverbanks started to grow and flourish. Which did what? It decreased the amount of erosion, erosion, which changed, which changed the meander rate and growth of of these rivers, meaning that they the channels they started, they stopped going left and right, they actually got deeper and faster, and pools started to emerge, and very serious and all this stuff, and

Speaker 1  39:08

fish like that. That's the other Yeah, right. Which changes

Collin  39:11

the fish habitat, which changes, which changed the flood cycles, which changed all of the soil conditions and the microbes throughout the meadows and planes when they when flooding would happen. And this isn't even getting into the impact that this ended up having on the beavers in the area and what they did in response to this. So, like, here's what we went, Man, we need some wolves because we want to have them back here. And then, like, Oh, my rivers are moving. Oops, yeah, we're not moving. We're not moving. Right, right.

39:41

Like, are you

Collin  39:43

like, it changed entire river morphologies when they

Speaker 1  39:46

Yeah, so yeah, you got to think about the abiotic factors as well, right? Yes, all the, like, the soil and water in the river courses and all that stuff, right? So that, yeah, it's like. It's like, so many variables, so many very, plus, plus. Let's not forget the biggest news from the wolves being reintroduced into Yellowstone. Because everyone's like, Oh yeah, they'll eat the elk. What's the first thing they ate? Oh, it was the sheep, right? Oh yeah. Let's go. Yeah. They were because they looked around and they're like, Hmm, big, giant deer with huge horns, tiny, fluffy, stupid animal. Yep, I'll be rat one,

Collin  40:33

because they're not dumb, yeah.

Speaker 1  40:34

And so they start preying on domesticated animals. So like, your elk population didn't, you know, for a while it was just like, oh, okay, whatever. And then, fine, yes. And then all, then the cattle and all the stuff too. Because, like, like, we can't again. I think people, this is a common thing that I've noticed. Like, people underestimate the size of a normal Wolf, right? There's like, oh, it's like a Labrador. No, no, right? No, this is enormous, right? And so, yeah, cows, everything is just going down, right? Well, they're eating everything.

Collin  41:16

So, like, and entire wolves are, what, 25, 30% even larger than that. Yeah, there you go. That's fun, people, yeah, so

Speaker 1  41:26

keep your cows away from that. That won't, that won't go well.

Collin  41:31

Yeah, you think you had a hard time with

Speaker 1  41:33

Yeah. Anyway, it was the normals, the ranchers, I were not happy. So,

41:42

yeah, sheeps are just like little snacks for Wolf. No, no, yes,

Speaker 3  41:59

yes, indeed. Oh, well, speaking of livestock, I was just gonna

Collin  42:04

say, speaking of sheep, oh, look at this, firing on all cell good segues today, yes, we, we had a challenge that we set before ourselves. This is becoming our annual thing. I guess this is good. Yeah. Need to put something on my radar to try and do this earlier, so that we can have more to guess. That's

Speaker 1  42:25

true. Gotta come with a good name for this too, right? Were you together really? Yes, yeah. State Fair guessing, guessing, whatever. We'll workshop the name for

Collin  42:36

next year. Yeah, yeah. So we are trying to guess the last slots that they're going to bill Yeah,

Speaker 1  42:41

or Missouri State Fair grandstand, yes, yes. And

Collin  42:47

this is as a reminder, here's what we have so far. We've got Wynonna, Judd kicking things off on August 7. Then we get blue it's a good opener, good opener, good opener, very I mean, I have comments about some stuff here in a minute. Then we get Blues Traveler with the spin doctors, which is going to be a no with the spin doctors,

Speaker 1  43:07

okay, spin doctors. I can't really think of a more perfect band to play with Blues Traveler than the spin doctors. That's pretty excellent. Yes,

Collin  43:17

yeah, it's a good one. I really like that one. Yeah. Well, then we have one night that's just taken up by the shootout, truck and tractor pulls. So of course, okay, we knew that was coming. We get then we have an acoustic evening with John Anderson with exile, yeah, with exile, don't know them. Then we get Josiah queen with Claire Leslie, again, don't know that. Then we get Hudson Westbrook, just him mainlining. And then, right now, we have flow writer, yeah, August 15. And then we've got openings after that, so we're looking to fill four

43:59

slots. Oh, yeah. And

Collin  44:01

here, that's what, that's what our goal is today. I don't, we don't, I don't know if we win anything if we get one of these right. I don't

Speaker 1  44:09

think we've got one right yet. So we won't know, because our track

Collin  44:12

record is only one year. So that is true. That is true,

Speaker 1  44:16

but I don't know. I kind of went a little nuts. Okay, yeah, so I

Collin  44:23

had to look at what we predicted last year. I tried. So last year I forgot what we produced. I didn't I. I looked real quick because I wanted to see because I made my list. And I was like, Okay, wait, how many of these are similar to what I predicted? The same ones again, that's

44:40

cheating. Hope I didn't do that, because I didn't look so I don't know

44:50

the what, because

Collin  44:52

last year also, I did, like, a really deep dive of like, into each band that I thought of, and like, okay, when was the last time that they appeared on this. Have they ever come to the Missouri State Fair? What's there to are they currently touring? What are their open dates? What do we do it like? How could we make this work? I did none of that this year. I definitely did not. I went with pure, pure vibes. Yes, that's

45:14

what I did. Yes.

Collin  45:18

So I do you have any opening thoughts

Speaker 1  45:21

on this? Well, not really, other than I hope I did. I didn't really think about accidentally duplicating because I did not look and see, so if I did oops, but I did go pretty vibes, right? I thought about the era. Thought about like an era, right? And that's kind of the vibes I wanted to capture, right? Because, you know, the Missouri all state fair bands are a good 30 to 40 years past their like, height, sure, right? That's like, prime fair vibes. So that's kind of where I started. That's just where I started thinking about, I was kind of somewhere in there, what would be a great fair band. And again, I don't always like when I think about fair bands. I'm not thinking about like, your a tier, like prime examples of that time and or genre, but like, good, solid, like, middle, right? Like, solid, recognizable. You're like, oh yeah. They're all right, but they're not, like, the first example that you think of, but they're definitely not bad, right? They're not like, the oh yeah, oh no, get out of here, like,

Collin  46:40

yeah. And I Yeah, that makes sense. And I also tried to go, like, not trying to do this too heavy in one genre over another, because they are trying to obviously appeal to a wide range. That's true. But

Speaker 1  46:52

I kind of did a little bit because I felt like they were lacking in some sections. So I went a little. I tried to fill the void that I saw, while trying to still kind of remain on theme. But I was trying to fill a gap in there that was not there, right? Because we're leaning pretty hard in a single direction currently with the State Fair lineup, right? And so I was trying to get some more variety in there is what

Collin  47:21

I was trying to do, right? Yes, yep, I yeah, I would, that was my other comment of, pretty heavy on the on the country this year, which, again, it's yeah, let

Speaker 1  47:30

me say favor. I did add one country and then one more, right? Because I felt like that would be okay. But I also, then I pulled out a little more, it's a little more rocky direction, because you got to have rock at State Fair. That's important. Yes, right,

Collin  47:47

yeah,

47:50

yeah, I totally agree.

Collin  47:54

So, yeah, I'll have you. Do you want to? You want to use up? And I have pulled up our list from last year, and I'll do that. Once we're done, we'll see okay,

Speaker 1  48:02

okay, so you want to do, like, one at a time, like, back and forth, like normal, yes, okay, all right, all right. So no particular order. I don't. Do you have a particular order for yours? Do you have,

Collin  48:13

like, I'm not going to do that. I mean, I have, I'll start with one, but then there's just this, this note. I have no rhyme or reason for any of these, but, okay, I don't

Speaker 1  48:23

really either. But, uh, I, like I said, I really wanted to go in a little more. We're missing some rocky nights. Okay, right? Because we do have very strong country. I'm assuming these people that I don't know who they are, are probably similar genre, like singer songwriter, country. I don't really know who I'm not

Collin  48:43

going to profile, but yeah, they're but their headshots look very country. Okay, so we need,

Speaker 1  48:51

uh, a bit more umph in there, right? Yes. And so you know what, when I was thinking about again, no offense, guys, okay, please know that. But I was thinking about like, who would be a good band, who's like, a good, solid act that you know, that you know some of the songs, and that the older crowd would be like, like me and older would be like, Oh yeah, let's go right? So this state fair is very, very lacking in 80s Hair Metal. Oh, right. This is, I feel like this is prime State Fair genre, right, right. This is the prime State Fair genre right now, okay, people in the like 40 to 55 age back, this is, this is serving them, right? Yeah. So again, I went with, not like again, it's like a good, good, solid middle I'm going Skid Row. You. Skid Row. Oh, Skid Row, and Sebastian, and that's what I There you go. Is this influenced slightly by the fact that Sebastian Bach was on the latest season of worst cooks in America? Yes. And so he was on my brain already. A little bit. Spoilers. Sebastian Bucha cannot cook at all. It's badly. It's real bad anyway, but I feel like this Skid Row is perfect. State Fair energy, okay, like this is, can you imagine the Missouri State Fairgrounds singing 18 in life, right? That, no, this makes a lot of sense. That's like, that's what I feel like these happen, right? So my first act that I feel the State Fair really could use is skid or they could even close their state. I think they could be, I think they could be the final night. I think you put Skid Row at the end. I think they're good. That's what I think that's what, that's who I put there. I feel like Skid Row is my think they'd be a good, solid closing act. You know what I mean? I feel like that'd be, yes, no,

Collin  51:12

I definitely agree. I think that would be a lot of fun, good closer. Really, bring the umph, bring the energy, yeah, that's what I was trying to go with with. I'll just get this one out of the way. I will do a quick spoiler. This was one that I requested last year as well. Okay, this is my campaign. This is my campaign. Okay, for this. This means you're passionate about it. You mean this will be my undying thing. I will, right off the bat, say that their website does is not HTTPS, it is just HTTP. So they need to really get with it. Guys get an update. But I flashing

51:55

exactly what is the

Collin  51:57

No, I was definitely I was wanting to bring up the oomph, get more rocky in this. I was thinking not bare metal rock, but more classic rock. And right now there's in my mind, this would still be an amazing fit, which is why I thought of it. And then I checked, oh, look, I am. Was agreed with myself from last year. I'm on the REO Speedwagon band. Yeah, there. God, do it. I This just needs to happen. I this is, it's time, it's time.

Speaker 1  52:30

That's good, that's fair, that's fair. I feel like that would also be an excellent, that is excellent, State Fair energy at this point, right? That is good. Yes, that is, this is the excellent one. I think it just needs to happen. So that's, that's my plan. So, yeah, I'm bringing, I want, I want them to do REO speed bike. I think that's good. That's really good. I have another pretty rocky solution here, right, to go with the vibes, because, again, we're lacking quite a lot in there, right? Because we're very solidly country music here. So I feel like, let's see what's another just like quintessential late 80s to early 90s, like Rocky band, kind of like bluesy, rocky kind of band. Like, what vibe Are you going for here? And I think it has to be the black crows. I really feel like that is, yes, I feel like that would be pretty high energy, right? Like be, I'd be a lot of singing along, happening, right? And I feel like the State Fair, it really is important to have like crowd, like the crowd has to be into it, because, like the state the grandstands and although, yes, the stuff like, there's just needs to be a lot of like crowd singing along, right? That's just like, kind of the vibe I get from, like, fair acts, you know? Oh, if even, even the fact acts that I ever saw, like the the Empire State Fair, right, which were not many, but, like, there was a lot of crowd singing happening, right? And so I feel like that's very important. And I think again, the age demographic that would that likes to go these things. I feel like the black crows would be right in there. Oh, yes, boom. I think that's fantastic. Yeah. So that's my second it's my second pick, black crows. I like that a lot.

Collin  54:37

I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with one, a little bit of a genre sidestep here, I think, one that I don't see really represented. I'm not sure how well this would play in a state fair thing, but I think that it would definitely be a. Different genre and as an ensemble, I think it's great very visually, until that stage, be very good. I would like to bring some funk to the state fair. Let's go. So I'm proposing that we, that we look for Tower of Power to come to tour, to the state fair. Oh,

Speaker 1  55:25

this is genius. I had not considered such a thing.

Collin  55:30

I mean, it's fits funk has, has come and gone, even though the band itself has been around for, like, I don't know, like, 60 years or whatever, at this time, yeah, forever. It's evolved. It's got new members. Funk kind of had this it, I don't know this. It's become a little bit more popular, you know, you know, come and gone, even just 30 years ago, it had kind of a resurgence. So

55:52

I played a Tower of Power set in high school marching band,

Collin  55:55

yeah. C, C, crepe. So I think that that would make like, Bruno

Speaker 1  56:02

Mars has made it like, popular, because he kind of has, like, a lot of funky influence, right? Well, a little bit. It's kind of like adjacent, but like, and,

Collin  56:09

I mean, honestly, what I So, I was also thinking of something like, Okay, well, maybe like Morris day could come, but because he's kind of, like more modern funk stuff, but it's way he's way too new, right? He's way too new. Oh, way too new for his day fair. That's too new for the State Fair. So then I was like, Well, let me go back here and find where there'd be. They've been around long enough to have a lot of fans that span. Generation. Well, power, power, yeah,

56:36

there we go. That's my it's

56:42

pretty good. I know pretty good.

Speaker 1  56:47

I think my next one, like, I've break it down a little bit, right? I want to bring it down a little bit. We want to, I don't want to get too far away from the country vibes, right? So I was thinking about, like, who is a really random 90s country artist, right? Just like, I just wanted some random 90s country artist that was, like, pretty popular and has a lot of songs that people know, but isn't like the premiere, like the first name that you think of, right? Yeah, but has a lot of songs that you know. And so my contribution to the state fair country artist, of course, should be Collin Ray, yeah, yeah. That's deep cut, right there. That's Oh yes, oh wow, there you go. I think that adds That's perfect. That's a perfect one. That is actually really good, right?

Collin  58:04

Oh, my goodness, that's magnificent. I 100% agree. I endorse this,

Speaker 1  58:11

yeah. I really think that would be, that is, that is like, perfect. That's the perfect fit with the lineup they already got going on. Oh, yeah. I feel like that one would be like, boom, right there, right there.

Collin  58:27

I really think that that would be a band just a Collin difference bit, yeah, I slotted perfectly, you know, I agree. I like this, okay, I like this a lot. I think that needs to actually happen. I I too, wanted to do something that was kind of country adjacent. I don't know why. I do think of this person as a country artist, even though they're more on the like pop rock side of things. I think it's just the esthetic that they bring to this. Also props. They are a Missouri native. Oh, bonus points, bonus points for this. And I think that it would, it would fit. Well, I am thinking of Sheryl Crow. Oh, yeah, that.

Speaker 1  59:22

Ooh, I don't I not think, dang it, I That's a good one. Colin Ray, okay. Colin Ray, let's not, let's not. Okay.

Collin  59:35

That would, that would, yeah, that's good one. But yes, I thought that she would be a good addition to this is still more on the rock side. Oh yes, um, definitely has the esthetic of a, I mean, I don't know, like, yeah, anyway, it's, it definitely does that. It's good fit, though, unfortunately. So this is where I'm going to have to say, unfortunately. I. In August, she is already playing the Illinois State fairground. Ah, but she she does do state fair. She does, do you see bears? So

1:00:10

that's good. This happens. So

Collin  1:00:12

maybe not, maybe not. Maybe this year, maybe, maybe she's gonna add a surprise to her date, I don't know. Yeah, see, I just had to click on her website so I could add it to the show notes. And I couldn't help myself. I clicked so

Speaker 1  1:00:26

see, so you're on the right track here. She already is doing day fair stuff. So this is good news, right? Yes, this is got it. Yes, I know my last one, I really kind of, I was thinking about Blues Traveler, right? And I was thinking about the 90s is weird, right? It was a weird time where there was just the most bizarre, eclectic mix of music happening at the same time could possibly imagine, right? And so, what band could I get to fit into that vibe, right? What band sort of personifies weird 90s kind of the AlTi indie, rocky stuff, right? Cake. Oh, man, right. Okay. S

Collin  1:01:44

Okay, that's a good one. I'm, I'm, dang it, oh, wow, I didn't even, wasn't even on my radar, that's good one. Okay, no that one. I mean, you can already hear the crowd singing, yeah, every single one of those songs, yeah, right, right. Just, just

Speaker 1  1:02:19

singing, in unison, short skirt, long jacket, right?

Collin  1:02:22

Yes, exactly, yeah, just screaming it out, right? Got it

Speaker 1  1:02:28

okay? And he's crashed the starting line. It just bumping. Don't think that right? This, you could hear that this like pulsating through the grandstands.

Collin  1:02:39

That, right? It'd be great. I think that that definitely needs to happen. Okay, okay, no, I like this a lot. I am okay, that one I I'm not gonna Trump that one. I feel like we're gonna end on a sour note with my last one here. I should add it. No, I don't know. I don't know about that, about that. So I um, wanted something that was, again, still more, still more in the rock. I think they fall more in the southern rock kind of,

Speaker 1  1:03:09

that's very good state fair vibes, though. State Fair vibes, also,

Collin  1:03:13

they do, like, a lot of like they do great in a in a big arenas stuff. Oh, okay. I feel like this is a a big arena kind of band, which I think is definitely good, but they are, yeah, so I'm just going to say a need to breathe from the early 2000s

1:03:40

Wow,

1:03:44

wow.

Collin  1:03:49

I think that they've, they've finally, Now, where were they? They? Yeah, I think that that would be, you know, you are here. Who am I? That's a little bit more modern one from them. But I think this is like, yeah, yeah, that's my, that's my. I mean, all of these are, I was a dark horse pig, but I love horse, very dark. But this is my Dark Horse. Of Dark Horse picks honestly, cake has a better chance of arriving this. The need to breathe. It's fine. It's fine. I just, I mean, I get this. This proves the point that is, this is not a good like, this is a hard thing to pick for, because true, yeah, you, you have to hit just like the perfect slice through demographics, grandstands, you know, like, yeah, it's, it's tough. So that's my Dark Horse, my Dark Horse pick that I'm bringing up here for these, yes, I to recap. You are inviting Skid Row, the black. Crows, Collin Ray and cake, great lineup I am doing, REO Speedwagon, Tower of Power, shale Crow and need to breathe. How does this compare to last year? Good question, because I have no idea. Okay, you wanted to invite Sammy Kershaw,

1:05:20

oh, yeah,

Collin  1:05:23

the Chevelle. Chevelle, okay, which I just realized their website is get more chevelle.com and I

1:05:32

that is ambitious, gentlemen,

Collin  1:05:36

get more then, then you wanted to do because who was it? Who was last year? Who was the big Oh, it was 50 cent. I think you want to do, oh yeah,

1:05:45

guy, St Louis, native, right? Yes, native.

Collin  1:05:48

And then you also want to invite

Speaker 1  1:05:52

lit, lit, yeah, I remember that one. I still stand by that one. I think that would be good one.

Collin  1:06:02

I was hoping for. Turns out, are you a Speed Wagon I mentioned, I'll just go and get that out of there, Brooks and Dunn the black keys. And this was my, this was my big venue, arena band. Then just like need to breathe, was my big venue thing up. Imagine Dragons was my pick for my Albina last year. So very nice, Missouri State Fair. They're just all these options sitting out there. Yeah, you

Speaker 3  1:06:30

guys need to give us a call, right? Like, just, just hit us up, right? We'll help you out.

Collin  1:06:36

So much work over here. And, yeah, even better, help so much, like we're gonna bring so much to the table dream

1:06:45

draft. Now it's

Speaker 3  1:06:46

time to be disappointed as the spots fill up in the coming weeks. So listeners, just stay tuned for our hearts breaking when Skid Row does not show up.

Collin  1:06:56

And I think we just said, I think we just say that, if one, if any of our bands, I'm gonna say from last year or this year,

1:07:06

added, we've

Collin  1:07:07

got to go to their concert. That's all I'm saying. We gotta go.

Speaker 1  1:07:10

We'll see. We'll see how that goes. Yeah, definitely something left.

Collin  1:07:14

We have to do something gonna happen spectacular. I like this a lot. So yes, we will, we will do that. So, yeah, there's, there's that. I do have a haiku so beautiful on. I do do as is tradition. As is tradition.

Speaker 3  1:07:32

Some reason, whatever, I don't really remember, but I like it. So we're gonna get is.

Collin  1:07:39

It is splint. It is wonderful. It is amazing. So my Haiku is this, just see if you can figure out what I was doing this week. Diddly squats, fields bloom, tractors roar, pigs run amok. Chaos breeds delight.

1:08:11

Perfect.

Collin  1:08:14

So now we, now we wait eagerly

Speaker 3  1:08:16

for season four. Indeed, indeed, and I'll try to get, I guess, who's COVID Three that'll happen at some point this week. So she, I didn't know that she was such a binge watcher. So this is gonna be a problem, because we come back, who's watched one? No, that is not. That is not happening. So,

Collin  1:08:36

nope, that's doesn't, doesn't look like that. It

Speaker 3  1:08:39

does not, apparently. So I who knew, not me, so I mean, now I'm prepared. So we go, Hey,

Collin  1:08:47

you can bank some Okay, well, we will see what this next week brings. All right, do something then. Okay, Love you. Loveies. You, bye, bye.