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Brandon & Collin

Collin floated. Brandon ate a burger. We talk about Lady and the Tramp.

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Warnings from the past

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Collin 0:04

Welcome to Oh Brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts Brandon and Collin on this week's show. Anti-anti missile missile. Ahoy,

Brandon 0:19

ahoy! How's it

Collin 0:20

going?

Brandon 0:21

Pretty good. How are you? I am going away.

Collin 0:23

Yeah, it was a bit scary for a wee little bit. Not gonna lie, it was a little, little. Yeah, when that, when that, when that.of red gets like blood red, and you realize, oh, that is like that is that'll be on me here in a moment.

Brandon 0:42

Yeah, it's over top of my house currently. Yes, this is

Collin 0:45

where it's coming. And when your phone goes sends off an alarm twice, letting you know of basically impending weather doom, you.

Brandon 0:55

Oh, that's

Collin 0:57

you know what

Brandon 0:58

a good time that is.

Collin 0:59

Well, you know what? Maybe, maybe I'll do something a bit different. Yeah,

Brandon 1:05

that's fair.

Collin 1:07

No, but no, it was um, it was a good day. It was a very, very good day. Brandon, I went on a somewhat impromptu Float trip today. Oh well, and so

Brandon 1:27

I wasn't really sure where we're going there, but I was not expecting that. I know. I was not expecting floating. I never expect okay

Collin 1:34

the float trip.

Brandon 1:34

That's true. Or this fan stage position. But no, both of

Collin 1:38

them. You know, it turns out both. Anyway, both

Brandon 1:41

involve water. Involve water to some extent. Go.

Collin 1:46

No, we had thought about going, and here's the great thing. Yesterday, as we were like kind of impromptu, was in like within 30 hours of okay, all right. It wasn't like we woke up and we're like we're going to go, but no. Yesterday when we checked our our friendly friendly river gage support the USGS people because this is invaluable information for sure. We we had last floated on the James River right at like 4.7 feet, and we were like, "Eh, that was a little low. We drug quite a bit, so I checked, and we were at 4.2, and I was like, "Well, that's not good. And then, within four hours, four-hour time span yesterday, the area to the west of us, in the headwaters of the river that we were going to be doing-sorry, east of us-got something like three inches of rain within. So the river went from 4.2 feet to let me just checking 9.9 point two. Ah,

Brandon 3:04

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say eight, but all right, there we go.

Collin 3:08

Yes, and the stretch of the James that we like to float, we knew how. So, so it's a little lower

Brandon 3:15

down, so it's got some.

Collin 3:17

Yeah, yeah, it's gotta you know matriculate through there, and so the gage sits a little bit lower on the river, so it's a little bit delayed, right, from when the rain hits to whenever it comes. So it was kind of moving through the system, but by the time we were on on the water today, we were right around six feet, and it was coming down.

Brandon 3:41

Okay. So

Collin 3:42

no, no. They recommend like seven. That's a

Brandon 3:46

good.

Collin 3:48

Yeah, yeah. Seven feet is when they really say like don't get on the water. Like this is like absolute maximum. Yeah, yeah. Please don't float above this. So like seven and under, and we were already like no four, like almost five was a little too low because we were at 4.7 last time, and so we just nailed this right in the middle. Yeah, because there's a

Brandon 4:10

couple spots that are like pretty gross if the water is low. There's like I'm trying to remember. I can think of at least two places that it's like oh no. Well,

Collin 4:21

yeah, and so we were yeah, and so we were going below the dam this time, and yeah, yeah. So we went below the dam last year one time. Look at us being different, and there is definitely one spot where it is solid bedrock shoals for about 100 yards, and

Brandon 4:46

yeah, at 4.7

Collin 4:48

feet, you drag the entire way, like

Brandon 4:51

yeah, the

Collin 4:51

all of the way. Just portage, my one portage, right? Well, and of course, in summertime with the full. Sun, it gets slick with algae. So when you step out, you're just die. You eat it like eat it constantly, constantly. And I have a I have a I have a fur piece to eat it on my way down. So it was fair. True. It was it was basically me constantly reassuring the children in the boat, saying, "I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine, but this time, whenever you have sail

Brandon 5:25

through, paddling sail through, but

Collin 5:27

because because okay, so what happens as water comes over a flat surface? Divots start to create. Okay, now as you increase water velocity and volume, those divots make what above

Brandon 5:39

it? Yeah, it's gravity.

Collin 5:41

Ravity, yes. yes, and so that's so we went through some not gnarly rapids, okay? Oh yeah, we went through. There

Speaker 1 5:50

were there

Collin 5:51

were some, and my children were a little. They looked a little bit taken aback. Like wait a minute, what's this? It's one of those things where, like, like water makes a sound. Okay, it

Brandon 6:06

does. It does,

Collin 6:07

but but like

Brandon 6:08

several

Collin 6:09

rapids make a different sound, and this was our first time encountering like water piling up right and creating that little white tap on the top and spilling over. It was it was hoofing on today, and we we made it through. We we survived that. We didn't drag at all, and so I have decreed that the lower stretch of the here the other the other problem is is I think any higher than this, and it just doesn't not not like it's unmanageable. It's just not fun because there's no place to pull over. It's basically just racing, right? That's the other thing.

Brandon 6:47

Yeah, because it's so full. I have

Collin 6:49

decreed six feet is the perfect amount of water to be coming through on the lower half of the James. There

Brandon 6:58

you go. You heard it here first. You

Collin 7:00

heard it here for first, yeah. Thanks for the River Talk here. River Talk, yeah. That Green

Brandon 7:07

County River Talk. There, all of our all of our listeners are gonna be so.

Collin 7:12

It's gonna be so great.

Brandon 7:15

Paporian friends. I'm sorry. You know what? This is what you get. It's this is the

Collin 7:20

content you didn't tune in for? But we got to stand at the confluence of the Finley and the James, and and even talk about science

Brandon 7:33

vocab word confluence confluence

Collin 7:36

and Brant. We got semi notes. What? Yeah, scratch it off your list, got to talk about why is the water different colors? Why is the Finley really muddy? Really, really muddy. I

Brandon 7:49

believe you mean why do these? What? Why does this water have different levels of turbidity? Turbidity,

Collin 7:55

yes, right? Yes. So yes, we we talked about that and could see right where the right where the white where they came together and that nice line that forms whenever you have waters of basically different densities you know and different turbidities and it's just like boom and it was like we're in one river right now and then paddle forward. We're in a completely different river, guys. Like, yeah, because the

Brandon 8:23

temperature is also going to be different. You're right. It's going to be certainly.

Collin 8:27

Yep, they're not mixing yet. And and how far that continued even downstream of like. Oh yeah, yeah, guys. Look, the left bank is still. Well, I don't know about

Brandon 8:37

how different the Findlay and James River are, but there's some. What is it? The current in the Jacks Fork? Current in the Jack's. Oh my gosh! What is happening? Yeah.

Collin 8:46

No, the Finlay was definitely colder at that confluence. Definitely colder and like very, very turbid, like muddy brown, basically entering in, and because of the what comes from more

Brandon 8:59

east, so more rain.

Collin 9:00

They got a ton. There may be more spring

Brandon 9:01

water that way too. They

Collin 9:03

have more springs that way, so it's like it's already cold. Now we're getting a higher influx of groundwater that's actually coming down, filled with the sediments coming in, mixing as we're going down into the James, and then of course after the big confluence, the river while it picks up like discharge, it actually slows down because it gets wider. It gets yes. It all of a sudden now it's like oh we're paddling a lot more, and now we're doing this

Brandon 9:31

boo paddling, boom

Collin 9:32

paddling. It's what we learned today, and I don't know. It was it was good. There's quite a few people out on the river. Oh, nice today. So it was nice, and it's the the the wonderful, wonderful time honored floating. I don't know rite of passage where you have a continual. Conversation with the other people while either because you're going the same speed. Either you're going the same speed or you you hop over one another. You leapfrog because you'll find a sandbar and gravel bar to pull up to, and then you have a conversation with them as they're passing, and you're making. I saw a boat like that just upstream, guys. Oh yeah, right. Like, oh, careful, you're moving. Classic,

Brandon 10:25

the classic. Hey, I've seen you before somewhere. Yeah,

Collin 10:30

you come around here often. Yeah, yeah. It's an Ozark

Brandon 10:33

special right there. And then

Collin 10:35

they pass you, right? And then they're gonna find some some other gravel bar further down. But by that time you will have started moving, and then now you will be passing them, and so you get to spend four and a half hours

Brandon 10:48

leaping frogs, as they say, a

Collin 10:50

conversation with people about the most mundane things, and it is, it is, it is so fun. I had a conversation just again over four hours with some guys about how the fishing was at each spot. You know, got to have that. Hey, anything, people. If you don't know what to talk about and you're having an awkward conversation, if that person is holding a fishing pole,

Brandon 11:17

yeah, there there are some subtle clues you could look for.

Collin 11:21

You, the the the only question is anything biting today, right? Like what is right, and they will tell you, right? They will,

Brandon 11:32

yeah. They will have 45 minutes. They'll just

Collin 11:35

so much to say, and you will have made that person's day because no one else in their life, because they don't have a fishing pole anywhere else they go, so they don't get to talk about this anywhere else. They're standing in a river. They are a casting, and you can say what's mining today, and they they love this. And you don't have to do anything beyond that. You don't even have to know any fish that they say. They're just making it all up. You just go because remember, remember, here's the key: you are moving past them. So at some point, your head can't turn anymore, and and you'll have to go hi, okay, good luck, and you keep going. Collin, how

Brandon 12:14

many times did you say no kitten?

Collin 12:17

I actually did say you don't say you don't say yeah or some derivative

Brandon 12:27

right now you don't

Collin 12:28

say you don't say wow yeah say

Brandon 12:32

no kidding no way yeah yeah

Collin 12:34

that's yeah a lot basically today oh oh and then again, Ozark geography here. The James eventually dumps into Table Rock, and so,

Brandon 12:50

aka the White River, the White River, and

Collin 12:53

so there was some there were some guys who this was their first time floating it because they use the little out the outfitter down there at Hootintown. Here, here's shout out to Hootintown. Yeah, shout out. I forgot

Brandon 13:06

about that place. Surprisingly, to nobody, I forgot about that place. I don't know how you've forgotten about Holy Town. I don't Hootin Town. Was there also any Hollerin? Just

Collin 13:17

us, I guess. Okay, that counts. Boom, boom. Had both kinds. Yes and Hollerin. Hooten and hollering. So they were using the outfitters out of Hooten Town to make this trip today, and we they passed by and they were basically like, "Hey, do you know how much longer this is? And I was like, "Yeah, this is like a six-mile trek, and we're like three quarters of the way through, so like two-ish miles. And then, of course, I said, "But if you want the up, I said, if you want the upgraded experience, just keep going and say hi to Table Rock and the dam after that. Oh, oh, oh, boy! Wouldn't that be hilarious? I mean, you can

Brandon 14:04

get to New Orleans eventually if you just keep going. I you can.

Collin 14:08

So before, so this was this is a conversation that we had before we left. I did break out a little map to show where this river connected, and they also like that the Finley, like technically, Dad's. We've talked about this before. Dad's house, like the headwaters of the Finley a little bit. So we've got that connection of like I am standing at this confluence of something that starts by the field that you were running in this morning, right? Yeah, yeah,

Brandon 14:35

true.

Collin 14:36

Wrap your brain around that, and then I showed them the map of like, and it goes into the White River, right, and going through northern Arkansas, and then we get to the Mississippi, and then we get to the Gulf. And Lillian was like, "So we're going to the Gulf, and I'm like, "Not today. Not today. Nope, nope. I didn't pack lunch for."

Brandon 15:00

Yeah, I did not have quite enough snacks for dinner.

Collin 15:04

Nor did I exactly pack sunscreen, so that was also my oversight of Collin. Well, see, here's the thing: the bigger

Brandon 15:17

hat too.

Collin 15:18

I had a big hat. Okay, good. But the hat doesn't cover the knees or the elbows. That's fair. There's that. But I'm I'm I'm fine. I'm just drinking water and got your gold ready. But it was good. It was a it was it was a nice day out. Good flowing water. Didn't have to paddle very much until right at the very end, as is apparently the case for every

Brandon 15:50

every part of the James River that you float. That that you don't have to paddle very much until like right at the end. Until like in crazy the last half

Collin 15:58

mile. Just

Brandon 16:01

oops, all paddling.

Collin 16:03

Oops, oops, all paddling, and which was which was which was fine. Just getting out towards the end. Oh yeah. But no, I really was like, this was good every time, though. Every time again, of course, just how I am, like this is a big deal. This we've got a lot to pack. We've got a lot to transport. We got to do this. We got to do that. It is

Brandon 16:27

logistically difficult. Logistically,

Collin 16:31

so much because you have to go

Brandon 16:33

down to the other end. You have to go back. You can't do the thing back at the top. Yes, you got

Collin 16:38

to do all this stuff, and so that's that's the part of shuttling.

Collin 16:41

Yes, a lot more shuttling. Now, thankfully, again, here's the thing where people are like in your brain. I'm going this. So last time it was a five. We spent five hours on the river. I knew we weren't going to spend that much because of how much faster the river was flowing this time. Because also, remember, people, discharge is logarithmic to river height. True, so I was looking at it and basically, like when we floated it last time, I think it was like around five feet or a little bit less. It was like what was it? It was like 10. It was like 10 cubic feet per second, and today around six feet, it was like 800 or 1000, like somewhere in there. You're like, oh yeah, that's trucking. You are moving, but I also knew that it's just hard to comprehend. Like I'm going to spend four hours on a river, but I can drive from beginning to end within five minutes. That's, I mean, it's

Brandon 17:47

not a straight route. No, it's not. It is. It is. Yeah, some may say riverine circuitous.

Collin 17:56

Maybe I don't know. Serpentine. Serpentine. Compenteen So anyway, so that was that was we got to say hi to some people, but no, it was very good, good day to be out, a little warm, but

Brandon 18:15

well, yeah,

Collin 18:16

but you know.

Brandon 18:25

Did you did you did you go a boating today? I did not go boating. I just went to. I noticed how warm it was when I went to the food trucks to get my cheeseburger. Oh, that was exciting! Like we, I wasn't sure what I was gonna get, and then Susan's like, "No, wait, that burger truck's gonna be there. I was like, "Well, well, problem solved. Now we know, problem solved. No, now we know. Don't have to think about what we're getting because those burgers are amazing, the best burger almost ever. I don't know if it's quite as good as Random Place in Oklahoma, but it's definitely right behind it. If it

Collin 19:10

is, so it's

Speaker 2 19:11

really good.

Collin 19:11

What makes it so good?

Brandon 19:13

I think it's the they're very juicy, not greasy burgers.

Collin 19:18

Ooh, and whatever

Brandon 19:20

the burger sauce they have on there is like super excellent. Also,

Collin 19:23

this is an amazing distinction. Juicy, not oh oh my gosh, yeah. They do the

Brandon 19:30

toast the bun thing, right on the griddle, so like it doesn't get the bun doesn't get like super mega soggy, and they're just like, okay, the the the truck says smash burgers, but they're pretty fat, like little suckers, right? They're like just like grilled burgers, right? So they're very like juicy, not just tons of toppings. It is just like burger, cheese, onion, sauce. Boom, done.

Collin 20:00

Nice. Very simple. Yeah,

Brandon 20:01

really good. So that was the highlight of today. This week, let's see what we've done this week. Oh, so we did antique shopping round two.

Collin 20:13

Oh my gosh,

Brandon 20:15

old dust. Right, we went to Bolivar this time. So like,

Collin 20:19

whoa,

Brandon 20:20

she came down here. So earlier this week we went up to Bal. Like Tuesday. That's why Tuesday. That's why I couldn't do anything on Tuesday because I was in Bolivar. So we went to like some mass. She was like, "Oh yeah, we go this place. It's enormous. No, holy! It's a little swanky too. I'm a little like I was like like, oh, this is oh this is like nice. Okay, okay, hold on. I wasn't prepared for that, but like, so he's hung out with her and her daughter and just like chilled and did that, ate, watched the movies, right? Saw the herd of cats that she has at her house apparently. Oh, so she is starting a cat rescue, like officially.

Collin 21:02

Really?

Brandon 21:03

Yeah, this is in the works. There's going to be an official cat rescue thing happening. So

Collin 21:10

okay,

Brandon 21:11

so yes,

Collin 21:16

that's crazy. I mean, getting it's pretty crazy. So like, going through that process is no joke. Like I think she's just sort of

Brandon 21:24

like started thinking about like so. I don't know how like official. I don't know where we are in the official process of this, right? But like,

Collin 21:34

sure.

Brandon 21:35

Yeah, there's lots of like paperwork and all kinds of things that has to be happening. So that's her thing she's working on currently. A

Collin 21:42

lot. So there you go.

Brandon 21:44

Yeah, it's exciting. Cool. Yes. But the important part about this, the the drive home spawned a very important conversation, right? And so I was I was thinking about oh I was humming a song, right? And Susan was like, "Why? Why are you humming this song? And I was like, "It's not that song. It's this one. And then I realized that I hum this song all the time, and I started talking about this movie, right? And Susan was like, "Oh, I think I've seen that movie, maybe. And so we had to sit down and watch it, right? When we got home the next day, and I I discovered that this movie is weirdly influential in my because I like whistle the theme song to this movie sometimes. Okay, I sing little ditties from this. I quote this movie a lot, so Collin, I need your thoughts to see if you're on a similar page with me today, Collin, I would like to talk to you about Lady and the Tramp. Okay,

Collin 22:59

I, I. I we're just all sorts of coming out of left field for this. I know, right?

Brandon 23:07

It's my turn to hit you with the purple,

Collin 23:11

right now. I okay, okay, okay. So, question for you: I want to know what two songs you sing out of this one on a regular basis?

Brandon 23:26

Okay, first of all, it is the little, just like the main theme, the thematic theme to the movie. The do do do do do do do that little thing. That's like the thematic stinger for the whole film, right? I think the people whistle that song sometimes in the movie a bunch. It's in the score like all over the place. So, yeah, it's that, and also the little song that Jacques sings when he's burying the bone in the yard. I sing that song sometimes. That's

Collin 24:05

the one. Okay, that's fantastic. I love that so much because that is such an obscure, like oh my gosh, that is amazing.

Brandon 24:18

His little directions to his bone stash. That's the song. Yes.

Collin 24:23

Okay. Okay. So my the two songs that come to my mind anytime I think of, and I will for listeners will have a link to Lady and the Tramp Jock's song in the show notes because I found it. I have two songs that come to mind. Of course, the "This is the night.

Brandon 24:49

Yes, that's the other one. Yes, that's the other one that I quote. Okay,

Collin 24:52

that one hum, and then the one, of course, not a tramp.

Collin 24:58

No, it was the "We Are Sign." The

Brandon 25:01

controversial one, yeah. The Siamese cat song,

Collin 25:04

of course. Why else would you? That's true. This, you know, okay. Why? Okay, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, dear. In case you don't know, Laden Tramp from 1955, yeah. Disney Technicolor, Walt Disney's Lady Tramp, was interestingly one of the one of them that kind of disappeared into the kind of the last of the greats before the Dark Ages, really. Yeah,

Brandon 25:41

I think you know

Collin 25:42

it's. It was they were kind of starting to run out of money on a lot of their productions at this point. Yes, they weren't building up as much IP as they wanted. So I don't know. It's what about this one? I'll ask you. I don't know. Like, what? What about this one specifically? Do you think sticks with you?

Brandon 26:04

I don't. I was trying to think about this while I was watching it, and I was like, I don't know. I think it might just be like the sheer amount of times that I just watched it when I was little, and it just sort of like burned itself into my brain, right? Like, I think because I think it might have been one of the first movies that we had on like VHS with some of the other ones, right? Because we got a bunch more later, but like not like a bunch, but like I think it was one of the first ones that we had, and so I think I watched it like a lot, right? And and I think that might be why. I think just sort of like repetition, partly, right. And so I think that's why some of that, a lot of that stuff just sticks with me. A lot of like the really random things. I also always quote. Well, I quote like the the Italian guys a lot, right? When he's like, he's a talking to me, like he's like, "Hey, dirty dogs don't talk. He's a talking to me. He's talking to me. So like them, and then also the trusty when it was like, "Well, my grandpappy old reliable used to say, 'Yep, old reliable. Right, I say that way too much, also. But like, I don't really know. But I don't know. I think it's just a very. I think it's a good movie, right? I feel like I don't. I don't know. I think it is sort of a lost one, like you said. Like a lot of people, it's overshadowed by like a lot of other stuff because it's not like the princessy one, like a lot like Cinderella, like all like Sleeping Beauty and all those early ones, right? Like it was kind of when they were transitioning to like other stuff. Then they did like the the 60s and 70s ones that like everyone's like, eh, those movies are bad. But like Robin is in there, so clearly They're wrong, but like

Collin 28:01

clearly, like to put this in. So one of the things I love about Lady and the Tramp, there are so many fun characters in this film, like the Beaver, like the Beaver is hilarious. The beaver is one of the funniest parts of this entire film. But then there's also Boris the Borzoi, and like there's I I think that's one of the things that makes it such a fun film for me is that there are just characters galore in here, but they're not throw like they really made like they didn't have to go through all the effort of making all of the the stray dogs so unique and different and so yeah

Brandon 28:52

right like yeah but they

Collin 28:54

did like they really did like this is insane I was just looking at the the filmography of the of Disney of I I may have missed, but this it's getting yeah, Lady and the Tramp is stuck right here in the middle of the 50s. Like here is the kickoff of like we get Snow White, Pinocchio, Fantasia, and Dumbo all within 1937 to 1941. Then we get like to the end of the 40s. We're getting some weird things. 1950 is Cinderella. 51 is Alice in Wonderland. Peter Pan is 53.

Brandon 29:38

Oh yeah, I forget about Peter Pan. Right then, we

Collin 29:41

get to like one of their first big missteps was the 1955. I do remember this 1955 Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier. Oh yeah,

Brandon 29:50

that one. I have seen that movie. I like the song for some reason.

Collin 29:54

Like people just like that was a weird thing. For them to do then 50. Here's what they came out in 1955: Davy Crockett, Lady and the Tramp, The African Lion, and The Littlest Outlaw. Oh no! Right, right. Then you don't remember nothing else from the 1950s. Sleeping Beauty was 59. Old Yeller was 1957. The 60s get real weird. They're trying a lot of stuff. Yeah, so they had like

Brandon 30:30

Jungle Book and stuff, and that's when they like started reusing a lot of cells for animation things. Tons

Collin 30:36

of rean of of using things again,

Brandon 30:39

which I don't think is a bad thing. Personally, I don't think it's a negative, but like it's just a thing that happened. Yeah, this is where

Collin 30:44

people will go, "Wow, Mowgli and Christopher Robin look very similar, and weirdly, they both hop over the same fallen tree in the exact same way. And it's like, I mean, like the

Brandon 30:58

dance scene in Jungle Book and the dance scene in Robin Hood

Collin 31:03

is the same. The same, right? Like, and the same. This is what happens when you are razor thin and in debt with every film, and you had to slash your workforce from you know 1000 people who just did color to like seven. Yeah, it's like now you're doing this now, but I don't know. Lady and Tramp is also one of the. It's quaint, but in like a very homey way. It's it's all. Does that make sense? Like, oh yeah,

Brandon 31:43

no, I yes, like it's the art is like very good, still right. Like all of the background stuff is like really cool. Like it's just very like it grounds it in just like a time, right? It's very like Victoriany, right? With all the stuff, the arts. I also really like, like as I was watching it this time, I realized that this movie, like, does the thing, like the thing where the musical score follows all the like stuff, right? Where like all of the like walking stuff, like is highlighted in music things, and like they like jump over a thing, and it's cued with like the score, right, or whatever. It's like do do do do. Yes, it's like very well done, and that's the thing that they eventually sort of like got away from. And when you watch it in this one, you're like, oh man, I miss that in like this kind of musical context, right? With the score, it's always kind of this thing swelling around in the background and the themes popping up here and there on the different instruments, like I think the movie scored very well, right? Yeah.

Collin 32:49

Well, later they would move way a lot more into the sound effects and the practical effects. Yeah,

Brandon 32:55

like there's the full blown musical like singing all the time. Like later, like when they came back, right? They would do that. There's not a lot of singing in like 101 Dalmatians, but like

Collin 33:08

no, that's true.

Brandon 33:11

You know, the Disney musical wouldn't return for a long time, but

Collin 33:18

but you'll be, you know, I we I just learned something as I I pulled a link to add to the show notes here. We are apparently in very good company because I don't know if you know this, Brandon, but in 2023, the Lady and the Tramp was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being culturally, historically, or esthetically significant.

Brandon 33:49

It's definitely esthetically significant.

Collin 33:51

Very.

Brandon 33:52

I don't know about historically, but like well,

Collin 33:56

well, or could

Brandon 33:58

be necessarily culturally.

Collin 33:59

Culturally, yeah. Maybe I should read up on that paper as to why. Yeah,

Brandon 34:03

but uh, yeah.

Collin 34:06

Oh, interesting. Oh wow. Okay, I'm on. Here are the. Do you want to know the other films that joined in the same year?

Brandon 34:15

Absolutely.

Collin 34:16

Okay. Well. Okay. I have

Brandon 34:19

to. Oh. Oh. Vamping, vamping,

Collin 34:21

vamping. Home Alone, Nightmare Before Christmas, Terminator Two.

Brandon 34:30

Oh yes, is probably some people are probably mad that we did not put that on our sci-fi list. But you know what? It's fine. You know

Collin 34:37

what? Wow, wow, that is amazing! Yeah, dang it!

Speaker 3 34:47

Sorry,

Brandon 34:49

but yeah, I just like the art. I like the music. I like the stuff. I also I decided that if anybody asks me, not that this is a thing that people ask me, but if it comes up and covers. Ever like, hey Brandon, what's your favorite romantic comedy? I was gonna say Lady and the Tramp because it also has like every single rom com trope ever just like in the movie, right? We have like the misunderstanding, the blah blah blah, the the first the meet cute, all the all the things are there also just for that. And so this is now my official answer for what is your favorite? I was going to say Lady the Tramp and just move on.

Collin 35:30

That's not a bad idea. Oh my goodness! Wow. No, I think that this is a good, good thing.

Brandon 35:44

All right, so I just wanted your kind of thoughts, seeing how you thought about this movie, because apparently, as I was talking to Susan about this, and as I was watching it, I was like, "This. I was realizing this was apparently a much more influential movie on me than I had initially thought at all, and also the fact that my wife had only seen this movie like maybe one time a long time ago is staggering to me. This is like the most Susan movie ever, like for sure. Which she was like, "Yeah, I think I've seen it. I was like, "I'm sorry, what? That's real about dogs. What do you mean? You haven't seen this?

Collin 36:26

So yeah, well, because it's a love story too with singing.

Brandon 36:32

True, and Jacques is there being you know you got the comedy relief squad going on there, so I just want to talk about that a little bit, right? About how much I like making the tramp. There you go. Just want to throw that out there for this week. Collin also surprise. I finished Time Gladiator.

Collin 37:10

You did finish. Okay.

Brandon 37:14

Oh my God! I don't even know how do we explain this book to you? It is this book is a lot.

Collin 37:28

Okay, now it remembers

Brandon 37:29

a lot of things.

Collin 37:31

This is from the 19. This is the 1964 Time Gladiator, and I will have to say has one of the more amazing,

Brandon 37:41

excellent cover art, excellent pulpy painted right thing. Yes, right. So this this book is a doozy, right? There is a lot of different things happening in here. I don't really think any of them are executed particularly well, but we have a lot of ideas, right? This book is definitely written during the Cold War. No, 100% Like it's just oozing. This is Collin. This is secretly a Cold War esque spy novel. Flash dystopian future slash class struggle sprinkled with some Hunger Games. That's what this book.

Collin 38:30

Wow. The okay, so I just typed this in, and it's funny that you say that because the first review on Goodreads is all it says is everyone is a spy! Exclamation points. Yes,

Brandon 38:44

yes. Everyone is a spy. Everyone is also secretly trying to subvert their own government, their own government's power structure, and then also the main character is completely ridiculous. So, like, Collin, he gets judo chopped in the head at one point in the movie, like straight up Austin Powers judo chopped desk.

Collin 39:10

And people, Austin Powers was such a dumb movie. All of them were, but they were definitely

Brandon 39:18

they were definitely a good spoof Spoof how,

Collin 39:21

yes, pulpy,

Brandon 39:22

right? Having read, okay, so like those those kind of like 60s James Bond movies, like the Roger Moore ones, especially right. Like even the Sean Connery ones, like we can't really give Sean a pass on. Like everybody loves him as James Bond. It's some of that stuff is wacky. Okay, look, he's

Collin 39:40

great, he's fine, but it's also

Brandon 39:42

some of those movies are weird. Having read a Ian Fleming James Bond book at some point a year or two ago, right? That book is also just like pulpy trash, right? So like I can definitely see where this book. Kind of fits into that vibe, but it's sci-fi. All right, Collin. So in the future, all right, we don't have like an exact. It's the 21st century, so this book could be happening now, technically. Okay. Um, there there has been a like ban on all weapons of war made after the year 1900.

Collin 40:25

Ooh, right.

Brandon 40:28

Okay, that's important. So, our main character, whose name is Dennis, but everybody calls him Denny because you know that's suave, I guess. He is He is a historian that studies early Etruscan and Roman stuff. Right, he sort of like for his research started learning how to fight as a gladiator. Okay, but then, okay, that he like accidentally got really good at

Collin 41:04

it, and he

Brandon 41:05

qualified for like the National Gladiator Games that are held in Westworld, aka the United States.

Collin 41:12

Sure,

Brandon 41:12

right, because we have Westworld and SolveWorld.

Collin 41:15

Sovworld, totally

Brandon 41:17

not the Soviet Union, though. Okay, it's different. It's totally different. So we have Westworld. the The world is split up into four. We have Westworld. We have the Sov world. We have the Europe, unified Europe, and then you have the neutral countries, like all the third world countries, just that are like aligned, kind of with other people, but like not their own thing. That's like. So again, this is extremely code war, Cold War coded here.

Collin 41:44

That's wild.

Brandon 41:45

Yes. Anyway, in Westworld, they have every year a like Hunger Games esque situation where there's a gladiatorial combat that leads up to the national gladiatorial games that are broadcast all over the country to placate the masses because they are in the middle of a class struggle. Your class is fixed. They have all these classes like low middle, low low, middle middle, upper middle, upper blah blah blah, whatever, middle middle. I don't know all this stuff, right? And your class is pretty fixed, right? And so there's a whole bunch of that stuff in there. Like randomly, they just start talking about it, and you're like, what? But anyway, there's a national thing to pick the best. It's like a just a free for all, and like the last like six people standing win today. The reason this happens, though, Collin, is totally doesn't come up later in the story. Everything's fine. Is that if there is a dispute at the International Criminal Court, countries settle the dispute in trial by combat. Yes. So the reason that Westworld has these gladiatorial games is to make sure they have champions ready to defend the nation in international trial by combat.

Collin 43:08

Whoa!

Brandon 43:10

Yes, yes. And our man Dennis is an expert with the Gladius short sword.

Collin 43:19

Well, you know what? This is awesome. Yes, because he is primed and ready.

Brandon 43:25

Yeah. Okay, that is one plot here. The other plot happening in the background is that because there is this international disarmament thing, right? And nobody has any missiles. Nobody has any way to make missiles, right? But they could at any moment, right? And the MacGuffin of this novel, Collin, I'm not even joking. You, it's called the anti anti missile missile.

Collin 44:00

Anti missile missile.

Brandon 44:02

No, no, the anti anti missile missile.

Collin 44:04

Anti. Okay. Oh, sorry. I can't dismiss. I can't. The way that it does.

Brandon 44:07

The way the the way that it's supposed to work is if you shot your missile at another country, you would fire this thing simultaneously, and when they shot their anti missiles at you, their air defense missiles. This thing disarms them and lets the big missile go through. So it's the anti anti missile missile.

Collin 44:30

What on earth is that? Yes,

Brandon 44:34

that's the thing that everybody wants. And there's one guy somewhere in Europe that has it, right? And so, after Dennis gets he wins the games, he gets recruited by the government spy agency to go undercover as a archeologist in Europe to meet with some people to try to suss out where this guy is. Yeah.

Collin 45:00

Yeah. Okay.

Brandon 45:01

Meanwhile, there is a Soviet-I mean, a Sov guy. Totally not Soviet. Anything's fine. Doing the same thing.

Collin 45:10

Sure.

Brandon 45:11

Coming to Europe. Right. They meet him at a thing, and then like he's going out back, and he gets like judo chopped in the head, and they somebody kidnaps him. We don't know who. International court finds you know blah blah blah. They interrogate everybody. They can't figure out who actually has them. So we have a three-way trial by combat between Westworld, independent Europe, and SoftWorld, where each is sending a team of three, last man standing, gets custody of missing guy with anti-missile plans. Yeah, what? Wow. In order to defeat the Europeans, because everybody is sure that they have them, Dennis and one of the Soviet guys team up together because everybody else died, and then they like fake a you know oh I punched me in the face and got knocked out right. It turns out they're actually both secretly karate masters. Also, that's really important. That comes up multiple times. They both know karate, which is way rare because in a world where no weapons are allowed to do something, but you would think you

Collin 46:26

would think that in a world where no weapons were allowed, wouldn't more people know about karate?

Brandon 46:31

Listen, I don't, I'm not gonna think about too much because it's rough, right? And so we we go there, and then like during all this time, also Dennis gets dragged to like a anti-government meeting with one of the other spy ladies because she really thinks that like the upper class is ruining everything and they're not producing goods and they're keeping everything stale. And so we must overthrow the uppers so that we can refresh society and move forward. Right? It turns out our Soviet guy has been doing similar things in Soft World. Okay, and then they do all this stuff, and nobody can find missing guy. And then it turns out that the head guy from Westworld has the missing. He knows where he is anyway. And they've already been working behind the scenes to overthrow the government. They've been doing it for five years. So you guys just need to stop and chill out because, don't worry, it's fine. It's

Collin 47:26

totally fine. We've got this. Yes, don't

Brandon 47:29

worry. So like the book ends with like they're all like realizing that they've all been secretly working towards the same goal anyway. That's it. And then they're like, "What about the European guys? And then some European guy comes in. He's like, "Hey guys, what's up? And then like that's the end book. Like,

Speaker 4 47:47

what,

Brandon 47:47

bro? Yeah. So the spy, the spy agency has also actually been secretly working behind the scenes to disrupt everything and make. But you have to make changes slowly, or the public won't accept them, right? Like they're slowly going to move away from gladiatorial games to sports. That's the plan, so that they can still be entertained and stuff, but they they don't have to kill anybody, right? And we can slowly move these things and like slowly dismantle them, but we have to do it slow because people can't adjust to massive change. That's the other moral of the story there, but

Collin 48:23

okay, fine.

Brandon 48:24

This book is insane.

Collin 48:29

Was it? Was it half

Brandon 48:31

times I was just I had to read a description of a karate stance was I've never had to do that before ever in anything I've ever read.

Collin 48:39

What? It's

Brandon 48:40

so weird.

Collin 48:42

When was this? Is crazy? Because this is. I don't. I don't understand why it's so

Brandon 48:53

wacky. You had that

Collin 48:54

weird. You had that statement about. You just said like the karate stands reminded me so much of when in Ender's game we got the long protracted diatribe of of all of the placement and all of like the battle tactics and this like long laborious thing, right? Like they

Brandon 49:17

got some of that when they were choosing what weapons they were going to use for their trial by combat.

Collin 49:22

Nice, right?

Brandon 49:23

We had a big long explanation about fighting tactics and the field of play. It was a it was a wood, but it wasn't like there were certain spaces that were open, and some places that were like lightly wooded, and some places that were very dense. So they were trying to figure out what weapons would we use, because what if we take a spear, but then we end up fighting in the very dense wood? That will never work. Oh no! What can we do? And then one of the dudes like immediately dies. So like it didn't even matter.

Collin 49:57

Yeah. Sweet. Glad we did all of that stuff. Yeah, the

Brandon 50:00

payoff was wonderful.

Collin 50:02

Yeah,

Brandon 50:02

dies immediately, bro.

Collin 50:06

Next, next. My gosh. Okay, and I mean, yeah, I think how secretly

Brandon 50:18

like a futuristic spy novel,

Collin 50:22

futuristic spy novel. Okay, yeah,

Brandon 50:26

yeah. It's like sci-fi ish because it's in the future, and there's all this other weird stuff. It's kind of like dystopian future dystopian, where the main protagonist is actually a professor that's obsessed with Etruscans and Romans and knows how to fight as a gladiator. I don't

Collin 50:50

kind of makes my brain hurt. It's kind of like

Brandon 50:53

in a world where all weapons manufactured after the year 1900 are banned. His choice of weapon is gladius. Also important to notice here, just from, just I may interject my own thoughts slightly. It's interesting to note that his his his weapon is Gladius, but the Gladius is a paired weapon, right? When you fight with a fight with a shield, right? Either as a gladiator, the gladiators had like a smallish kind of bucklery kind of thing, or a Roman legionnaire would have a scutum, right? Just a whole shield. But he just fights with the sword, which is, I don't know, because the gladius is a short sword that you pair with a shield.

Collin 51:42

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of dumb to have

Brandon 51:45

sword and shield sword, right? It has no hand protection. It has no sword needs a shield, and he like never like he has a shield in the first gladiator games because they're decked out like actual gladiators in that one. Sure,

Collin 52:22

Something out. Oh, oh, hello. Oh no. Oh no. Brad. Hi, I'm back. Hello. No. Nope. Brenda. Brandon.

Brandon 53:04

are you back?

Collin 53:05

Can you hear me?

Brandon 53:07

Yeah.

Collin 53:07

Okay, I am. I am tethering to my phone currently. So.

Brandon 53:13

Oh. Okay. Sorry. We're about done anyway. So. Oh, you're

Collin 53:15

good. Yeah.

Brandon 53:17

You're good. I was just gonna say my last wrap up. So I don't know. I'll just repeat some of that in case you chop out that middle part where you're gone. But like, this book is not what I expected. The cover art, the title does not indicate that there should be any type of spy novel. Gotta be real. The back of super surprise.

Collin 53:37

Yeah,

Brandon 53:38

yeah. The back of the book blurb does not seem to indicate that this is a spy novel at all. It really plays up the combatiness, and there's only two combat parts. Not not that the book is long by any chance. So there are the kind of big parts, but like it is not the not the focus. The focus is on the class thing and the anti anti missile missile, which is a terrible name for MacGuffin.

Collin 54:09

Oh, it's perfect. It's exactly what's needed.

Brandon 54:16

There you go. I just I just need you to know that I read that. Continuing the sci-fi summer trend here, I read a really weird 60s pulp novel for you,

Collin 54:33

and it's fantastic. I don't know. I mean, it's a

Brandon 54:37

book that I read.

Collin 54:38

It was a thing. Is what it is that happened. It

Brandon 54:43

was a book that I read. Now you know about

Collin 54:47

it. I go. I do know about it's crazy.

Brandon 54:50

I'm cooking up some more sci-fi stuff for you for next few weeks too. So just yo, we're not done, Collin.

Collin 54:56

Oh my goodness.

Brandon 54:59

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, got to get some stuff in here before. Got to go back to work. So gotta

Collin 55:05

come on, gotta crank it through.

Brandon 55:07

Yeah, help me up. So it's not done. Got some more surprises in store. So just wait. Stay tuned. See what those are.

Collin 55:17

Done, done, done. Love it! Oh my goodness!

Brandon 55:23

All right. Well, since your thing is breaking, I will end us off. I have a haiku.

Collin 55:31

Thanks. Yeah. If you're

Brandon 55:32

ready,

Collin 55:33

I am. Notes at the ready, people.

Brandon 55:36

Okay, here we go. I don't know if you're ready for this. This this haiku is inspired by the previous conversation. Oh, envisioned future. Yes, envisioned future, springing from dusty pages, warnings from the past.

Collin 56:00

Yes, it is perfect. Absolutely perfect. Yes, I don't know

Brandon 56:09

about that, but it is a haiku. That's what it is. No,

Collin 56:12

no, haiku is perfect about a book that we that you read. Yes, is what I call Sam Gladiator. Man, I'm. There's just so much. I don't. I don't. I don't even be able to sleep after that. Just thinking about everything.

Brandon 56:30

I'll be borrowed if you want, Collin. Oh,

Collin 56:32

ooh. You know, I do have some flights that I'm going to be on this coming week. So true.

Collin 56:40

Maybe I can be the only. Maybe I can be reading that one, snubbing my nose at everyone else, looking at their phone while I'm reading the Bible. Yeah, people walk past reading down

Brandon 56:48

the airport. They're gonna be, they're gonna be real confused. They're really gonna want to sit next to

Collin 56:51

me. Oh yeah, that guy. See the

Brandon 56:55

cover. They will be. Yeah,

Collin 56:56

that's true. That guy's cool. Yep. Absolutely, absolute yes. Okay, well, we'll have to work that out and see what happens. Very good. Okay, well, we will do this. Also, in

Brandon 57:13

the future, I have three more of those. Oh, in the future, at some point. I'm not going to read them anytime soon. That was a lot to do with. I need to not forbid.

Collin 57:22

No, I'm. I'm very. I'm very excited. Stay tuned for

Brandon 57:25

this segment when it returns eventually. Yes,

Collin 57:28

it will. It will come out of nowhere. It'll be like this random week, and Brandon be like, "So anyway, I read this, and I'm, I, I will be ready for it. Maybe. All right. Perfect. Well, then until next time.

Brandon 57:45

Oh yes.

Collin 57:46

Okay. Love you.

Brandon 57:48

Love you.

Collin 57:49

Bye.

Brandon 57:51

Bye