ancient abandoned tomato canning factory

ancient abandoned tomato canning factory
Brandon & Collin

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Collin 0:00

Hey, welcome to Oh Brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts Brandon and Collin. On this week's show, Ancient Abandoned Tomato Canning Factory. Ahoy, ahoy! What's going on?

Brandon 0:22

Oh, a lot. This morning recording time, ladies and gentlemen, very exciting stuff.

Collin 0:27

We are changing it up.

Brandon 0:29

I know I like it. It's kind of crazy. Okay, weird. I saw coffee. I can see light outside my window.

Collin 0:35

I have.. how are you, man? I have.. I have gone with the opposite effect. I have.. I have shut my blinds, I have turned on a lamp to recreate the evil. Okay, so I can, I can, I'm in the mood for, okay,

Brandon 0:48

I always turn on my overhead light when I record, just because, like, I don't really know why I do this, but well, partially it helps me to actually see when I'm referencing the book, ah, which I had placed just out of reach, that's cool anyway, and like it helps me keep stay awake normally. Yes,

Collin 1:06

well, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, so I am recreating, I'm cocooned, I, but I do have coffee, and I have

Brandon 1:15

been, you always do, so that's that is that

Collin 1:17

is fair, that's fair. You know what, actually I have limited, I've been really good, and then I say that, and I'm like, except on Wednesday of this week, where it was that, but other than that,

Brandon 1:30

listen, it's okay. Oh man, well,

Collin 1:37

big news this week, we moved our chicken coop to a new location in our yard. Oh, so this is.. we are now on coop rotation,

Brandon 1:46

coop rotation. Yes,

Collin 1:48

we're calling

Brandon 1:49

on a completely unrelated note. Clarkson's Farm Season Five is out.

Collin 1:55

Oh, okay. I have to.. I have a.. we are traveling next weekend. I know it's just.. it'll

Brandon 2:05

be there for you.

Collin 2:06

I know. No, no, I need to download it to watch it. Oh, oh, that's true. Oh,

Brandon 2:10

yeah. There you go. They did the thing where it's like the first four released already, and then I think next week the rest of it's gonna release, so

Collin 2:21

yeah, yeah,

Brandon 2:22

it's good times, good times. Where are you going next week? Where are you traveling? Look

Collin 2:26

at that, look at that, not ending

Brandon 2:30

my sentence in the preposition. Where you go, you go, mr. Times. Welcome,

Collin 2:34

welcome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, uh, that's my favorite joke. When somebody says, "Where is it? I say, "A place. It's at a place that doesn't end up prepositions. That's nobody, nobody laughs at that. But no, I.. we are traveling to a like business, like retreat thingy in North Carolina, for like Pablo. Here you come. Yes, just like PD Pablo. I'm traveling.

Brandon 3:09

There you go. Deep cut, ladies and gentlemen, that's what you're here for.

Collin 3:15

Wow, a name I have not heard in a very long time, that was he was a, he was an interesting looking fellow, and he's still touring, and of course he is, yeah, as we've discussed, because they can just tour forever, yeah. Oh my goodness, yeah, that's great. Okay, no, not like PD Pablo, but we're going, and I, I had to remind myself, like, where this is located, because I couldn't remember, I was like, I know I fly into an airport, I know I fly, what in the John Paul Sartre is that, like, what is this, is I think, this should tell you just how little attention I've been able to pay to future things in my life. Where I am, like, airport, I'm flying into, I have no idea. I know where I fly out of. Hey,

Brandon 4:18

that's good, as long as you know where you're leaving from, like, you can't get lost because the plane's just gonna go where it's gonna go, like.

Collin 4:26

And then I have to just figure it out from there. So we are, so it's really

Brandon 4:30

okay.

Collin 4:30

Yeah, that's how the planes work. I am flying into Charlotte Douglas International Airport, which

Brandon 4:38

I

Collin 4:38

want you to know only gets 3.9 stars out of 45,000 Google reviews. Oh, well, and then I am renting a car and driving with Megan 45 minutes north to States. What is this, Statesville, North Carolina? To go be there for many days, then we will come back, yeah, and then

Brandon 5:11

probably similar, obstinately the same direction, right, and

Collin 5:16

then and then I, we had, we had kind of just booked that trip. I'm not gonna lie, that that trip is coming up next week. I booked those things at the beginning of May because I forgot. So, cut it close, gonna get

Brandon 5:34

there. Okay. And

Collin 5:36

then, and then I remembered, oh, in August, I am also traveling to other conferences that I have not scheduled or booked or done anything fly, so I don't even have accommodations for that. So, in one night, I'm like, I booked.. I booked the.. what I do.. Oh, yeah, I know, I booked the. this other conference, which organizers organize. organizers. Let me just speak to conference organizers. I know you, especially state level organizations. I know you love your state year round, and I know you think that everyone else will also love your state year round.

Brandon 6:22

As a resident of Missouri, I can say that that is.. I do not expect anybody to love Missouri. No,

Collin 6:28

no. But so passionate about their state, they're like, oh, there's pros and cons to every season. Brandon, let me tell you, there is one season. Okay, if you are in Florida, hypothetically,

Brandon 6:42

oh yes, hypothetically, of course.

Collin 6:44

August is not my first choice to have, absolutely not. Conference,

Brandon 6:52

no,

Collin 6:53

no. In anywhere in Florida, August should just be wired out. Yeah, right now. Why are you even thinking about this? That doesn't make any sense. Stop it. So, yeah, I am. I am indeed hypothetically traveling to Florida in August, and I am like, ha,

Brandon 7:17

I don't know, is this because, like, peak tourism for Florida is like December to April, and so we're, we're scheduling conferences for off season. I mean, I know a lot of people go in the summer too,

Collin 7:34

yeah,

Brandon 7:34

but usually by, like, August, September, I would feel like it would be the dip, right, like August, September, kind of October, and then it kind of ramps back up the end of November to April. Sure, would be the other big, like, tourism spike. So I know people go in the summer, but like maybe they're doing it in August because it's more of an off-season time, and they can get more like comp, they can actually get conference space,

Collin 8:02

sure, because hotels

Brandon 8:04

are booked out with like tourism me stuff

Collin 8:07

that would make sense, but does

Brandon 8:09

not make it better, no, because it's gonna be like 1000 degrees in potentially hurricane, depending on where you are,

Collin 8:19

plus plus or minus some hurricanes, which is always fun.

Brandon 8:23

Yeah, so that's a problem.

Collin 8:25

Not looking forward to that part. Yeah, and then yeah, so I I'm just deciding how much I'm going to pre-melt, so that there's not as much melting that has to happen while on, you know, there. So then there's that's August, and then September, then October. I realized I have another conference that I have to go to, at least for that I have a hotel. I have a hot school for October. I don't have a way to get

Brandon 8:55

to that hotel.

Collin 8:56

I do have a car that I have rented. Okay, I don't have the travel yet. The

Brandon 9:04

plate, you don't have the plane to the car to the

Collin 9:07

car, that that is the one missing. Okay, but I was just like, I need.. wow, I am really.. so I do have a reminder set in mid July to be like,

Brandon 9:20

yo,

Collin 9:21

hey, yeah, exactly what I have done, so that I do not. So, anyway, yes, so this is what that has been. That has been that was my week, realizing that moving the chickens around, and I gave, I did give a talk for So Fear Free is a organization that does training and certification for people and businesses for how they like act and respond to animals, kind of thing, I. Uh,

Brandon 10:00

okay,

Collin 10:00

and they started in the veterinary field, and we're like, how can we make sure that dogs and cats are not stressed or anxious inside a vet clinic, and they just.. they change a lot of things, like,

Brandon 10:11

okay, I like this plan, soundproofing,

Collin 10:13

like not soundproofing, but like sound deadening the rooms, having soft, grippy surfaces instead of having slight hard lick, yeah, right, like,

Brandon 10:22

Scooby Doo thing, when they're on the table, like, right, there's trade-offs,

Collin 10:26

because the those are harder to clean, right? Okay, so we have to understand that, however, like, there's things that we can, we can do, so that's where they, they started, and then they moved into, like, the training, the trying to do some boarding things, and then the pets that are dog walker was this very like after the fact, like, oh, also, and, oh, also,

Brandon 10:50

and

Collin 10:52

I took the, I got it, and was certified, and I'm like, oh well, this wasn't, oh, this is just what we do, like, this isn't anything novel or interesting, nothing revolutionary. Well, but also it's very out of date, or not out of date, it's not workable for many things. For example, they, their version of a dog walker or pet sitter is you are the dog walker or pet sitter, and you have all of the time in the world, and you are the one doing everything, and you have control of that stuff, and I'm going.. ah, but no, because I like my team has 30 minutes to be in a visit, and then we have to go like plus or minus, like, honestly, like, if things were really bad, we would stay, like, don't hear me out here, but like, we have tight time windows. There are multiple people coming and going from home multiple times a day, because their big thing was like just chill out, take your time, give the dog a couple hours to relax, and I'm going, "What? No, that's not what I do. I'm not house sitting, I'm not, I'm not staying overnight in someone's home. What do you, how do we, how do we work with fear, anxiety, and stress in a dog or cat when I am there for 30 minutes and gone? I

Brandon 12:08

mean, that's also not viable for, like, a veterinarian.

Collin 12:12

Yes, I know,

Brandon 12:14

like, if you're coming in to get your dogs to get, like, vaccinations, right, this is not like you don't have many hours to just sort of sit near a dog,

Collin 12:30

right?

Brandon 12:30

So we have to figure out how to speed up this process. What are the actions that you take and that you can do to make this process a smoother thing, look at that. See, myself, yeah,

Collin 12:43

yeah. So, I, I have gone back and forth. I've been able to interview people from Fear Free about, about this, and they just, they do not have the mental model for the what the industry actually looks like, what of what the actual of what the actual stressors and stuff are, and so I was, I had told them this is where Collin says,

Brandon 13:10

like, I have written a manual and

Collin 13:12

I have things to say, pretty much anyway, so they, they reached out and they're like, hey, why don't you give a presentation on dealing with high FAS, fear, anxiety, and stress, and I was like, okay, fine, I got it. So that's what we did, that's what we did, it did that, and I hope that that goes well. It was very good to talk and present. Unfortunately, a lot of it's like, like, anyway, I'll just.. I'll send the recording, but the biggest thing is, like, because the biggest thing that Fear Free talks about is like control the environment, design your entryway into your clinic so that it doesn't funnel, it's open, but it has padded and make the lights this thing in the walls are like this, and this is how the doorway, and

Brandon 14:03

that's fine if you're building something like from scratch, but like if you have an establishment already and you're just trying to be more accommodating, you can't do that, or

Collin 14:14

I don't know if I'm going into 40 different homes today.

Brandon 14:19

Oh yeah, no

Collin 14:20

homeowner has ever called me and said I'm redoing my flooring. What's going to make it less stressful for my dog?

Brandon 14:27

Yeah, nope. Like

Collin 14:29

nobody asked me for, for what hue to make the lights look. I don't get these options. I have to work with an environment that I don't control and that I'm not in all the time, and so that was kind of the lead in of like I showed the picture of this dog who was cowering underneath a chair all the way back, and it's like, give the dog its medication, take it, go ahead, take it for a walk, yeah, right, like anyway, so that. Fun, I get to that. Of course, there's a little stressed out, but it's all good anyway. Anyway, your week, your week going well,

Brandon 15:15

pretty good. We went on a bit of adventure yesterday, right? Like, for some reason I don't even really know how I'm probably going to get corrected for the next room here just in a minute, so just be ready for that, but like somehow it came to pass that Susan decided that she wanted they to go just like driving around in the middle of nowhere and take her mother and, and her husband, right? So, this, this is what happened yesterday, the Sunday drive on a Thursday, right? And so we're driving like the goal here, we were looking for something in particular, okay, and so the no, there was no book of Lars that I saw.

Collin 16:05

Ah, that's how they get you,

Brandon 16:08

I know, but because he has like extensive knowledge of like county history, because of like he's lived here his whole life, and they're like 90 years old, and he also used to be, he used to work as at the telephone company, and like lay telephone lines, and like do all that stuff, so like he knows like literally every single corner,

Collin 16:33

right. Wow, okay,

Brandon 16:35

yeah, that sounds what he said, do like back in the day was a telephone guy, and so he's been everywhere, and he was like talking, like, oh yeah, I had to run this cable, I dug this cable across, blah blah, and it's like in the middle of nowhere, and it's just insanity, but we have, we just, we discovered, right, we were on a mission, and we discovered the location of an ancient abandoned tomato canning factory. What? Yes, and it's.. it's literally.. I don't know why they put it here. I mean, it's kind of by a river, I guess. So that kind of makes sense, but like apparently in this county, in like between like 1900 and like this one that we saw closed down in mid 1950s Tomato canning was a huge industry, and there was like multiple, multiple, multiple canning factories all over the place, right? Like the little tiny town that I work in had like one, and then like a little tiny town that, like, nothing is there now, had like two,

Collin 17:43

that's insane.

Brandon 17:44

Yes, so like in the Depression era, like canning was a big industry here, and there were like dozens of these canning factories, sure, and there's one that's like we're driving down, I mean, this is, we're in like the hollers, right? Like this is where we're at. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, we're way down in the middle of nowhere, and you go around this little bend. There's like a random house over here, like old, like kind of run downy looking house, and then you go on this bend and just kind of right off the road in the woods is just building foundations and like walls and like bits of machinery like poking out of things and it's just like the most overgrown derelict thing in the world but it was apparently once home to a massive tomato canning operation,

Collin 18:44

wild.

Brandon 18:45

Yeah, yeah, absolutely wild. So then Susan went down to Big Rabbit Hole last night and discovered, like, she was trying to find a picture of this place, and there's pictures of, like, literally every single other one in the county, except for that one,

Collin 18:59

except that one.

Brandon 19:00

She's very distressed. The

Collin 19:02

secret cannon,

Brandon 19:03

yeah, and it's like the only one that's like still visible, I guess. That's literally they just like walked away from it and just left it, and it's just in a field near some cows now in a wood, right? It's like a copse of trees with a canning factory,

Collin 19:21

crazy,

Brandon 19:22

and it's wild. It's just way out of the middle of nowhere, right? Like it's crazy. There were six. I just got.. she is listening. She sent me. Thank you, research assistant. She sent me this screenshot. There were 16 six canning factories, right? 16 during the 1930s yeah. In in 1937 an estimated 2000 acres of tomatoes were harvested in this county,

Collin 19:59

just the county. Tony,

Brandon 20:00

yeah, yeah, yeah, it was some sort of like big thing started in this, according to this thing here that she has sent me, there is, oh, from a local newspaper go sighting, bang started in 1903 right, one of the factories in the little teeny town that I work in, that's like nothing is there now. They had a factory that was capable of producing 10,000 cans per day in 1903 What, what

Collin 20:40

in the world?

Brandon 20:41

There was also apparently a strike because the workers felt that two cents per bucket of peeled tomatoes was insufficient, and they demanded three cents per bucket. Bang!

Collin 20:54

Okay,

Brandon 20:55

bang, that's wild. A good peeler could peel 25 buckets a day.

Collin 21:08

Okay,

Brandon 21:09

hold on, hold on. What all the women went on strike because they weren't getting paid enough.

Collin 21:16

Oh, okay. So 25 buckets, they're making three cents a bucket, so what, 75 cents.

Brandon 21:23

Yeah, that's crazy

Collin 21:24

a day.

Brandon 21:25

Yeah, but in 1903 you know, not bad. So, this, this, this operation was like such.. it was so successful that, like, they, these farmers during the Great Depression were getting like $50 an acre for all their tomatoes, so like, wow, that's crazy, right? That's nuts. So it's just, it's so weird that, like, way down in this random holler we went to all the hollers. Let me tell you, also, apparently one of the roads we were driving on, Susan's mom's husband was just like, "Oh, yeah, this is the old stagecoach route, whoa, from Arkansas. I was like, "Excuse me, what? Well, okay, and it's the, the old, like it's called the Butterfield Stage, right? And it, it's that road that we were on was part of the route, and actually we found, like, we stopped on there's no other cars anywhere, we saw three cars, we drive around for two hours. Okay, that's where we are. There's a, like, off, he's like, around here somewhere, there is a spring, and it's the spring where they used to stop the stage and water the horses, and people would get out and, like, take a break, and we found it. It's just like right there. It's this big pond that is definitely a spring that's

Collin 22:56

so cool.

Brandon 22:57

So we're apparently driving on a stagecoach route yesterday for part of

Collin 23:04

it,

Brandon 23:04

so yeah.

Collin 23:05

Okay, there

Brandon 23:06

you go. This is what I did yesterday. Drive all around in the middle of absolute nowhere, like actually nowhere.

Collin 23:13

There's some cool history

Brandon 23:15

there. Is he didn't hit it, yeah. And there's all these people down there. It's really weird too, because there's like a bunch of people, like there's several people building houses down there, and the whole time Susan's mom was like, why, because there is nothing, like I don't know, these are these, some of these roads and driveways, these are like, if there is any snow, you're not leaving your house ever, like nobody's plowing this road, man. Like, what do you mean?

Collin 23:46

Yeah,

Brandon 23:47

so I don't really know what these people do when it snows like a foot, because they're not going nowhere. Hopefully,

Collin 23:58

big pantry,

Brandon 24:01

yeah, right, like

Collin 24:03

for those, for those interested, by the way, 75 cents in 1903 is equivalent to about $28 today,

Brandon 24:12

that's pretty dang,

Collin 24:13

so, so that's still not a lot today, but that is, that is, that is, thanks to

Brandon 24:20

it's definitely not insubstantial in 1903 though. Yeah,

Collin 24:24

yeah, considering how everything else was, but yes, that is thanks to a 3,684% in inflation rate over the last 123 years. Anyway, that's cool, I I'm glad you got to go do that. That kind of stuff's always fun to find hidden history, and those.. yeah,

Brandon 24:47

it was nuts. Speaking of nuts, Collin,

Collin 24:59

wow. Let's talk

Brandon 25:00

about Tinder. Holy,

Collin 25:04

we continue this. Continues to be.. I don't know.

Brandon 25:08

Yeah, I don't either. Oh, so.. so I need to.. I need to clarify my headspace from last week. I was quite negative last week. All right, okay. And I just.. about the writing in general. Sure, I need you to know that before I started this I was reading right, I had some books that I was trying to finish before I started reading other things, and I did finish Crime and Punishment, and I did finish, I was reading some Tolkien, all right, so, so when I went from reading Dostoevsky, is everything, but I was reading some Dostoevsky and some Tolkien, and then I read this, and the drop off is hard.

Collin 25:54

Yeah, that, that makes a lot of sense.

Brandon 26:00

Okay, right? Like, I, this is one of the reasons I was so negative. I was like, 'Yo, what is this? Now, I'm not much more positive this week. I'm not gonna lie, because one of these chapters.. like, oh my, what the heck, this is insane. All right, so I have some thoughts, but that is where I was coming from. Sure, just like a mentally, so I went to the I weed mead also like a fart counter, because this word appears in this book. This is the most I've ever read the word fart. All right, I know this is like a young person's novel, but like, and it was written in the 80s. Okay, so like, I get it. Fart humor was still funny in the 80s, hilarious. Yeah, yeah, it's maybe it's also because I'm a sixth grade teacher, and I just can't be bothered with,

Collin 26:56

yeah, right. Let me hear this a lot,

Brandon 27:00

so I don't talk like this, even in sixth grade, they just like, and so it's that's that's the other part of like, oh my gosh, Where am I right now? Like, this book has been weird, because like, we are getting some, there's a start here. When we were on, we started what, chapter four. That's not chapter four. This one is chapter four. Like, we are getting the.. like, I don't really know, like what he's trying to say, like if he's saying this is a good thing, or if he's saying this is a necessary thing, but we are getting a like commentary on how the military treats people, right? Like, because this is also like a military science fiction, like we are getting commentary on how the military complex itself functions, right, because you're talking about like breaking people down, getting them to think a certain way, getting them to.. I know these are officers, so it's not so much like follow orders, but it's like trying to frame their thinking, right, which in the context of what we've been laid out so far, I find weird a little bit because we're searching for a way to beat an invading army, all right, and and so we're searching for the next like chosen one, okay, who has the ability to beat them? Okay, but we're also trying to frame the way that they think and problem solve, and the people that are doing the framing are people that don't know how to win the war.

Collin 28:58

Yes,

Brandon 28:58

right. So that's weird to me, like you want innovation, but you're using all of the methods that you know don't work

Collin 29:10

well. So, flash forward here a little bit. Just heads up, I felt as though there's a little insight into that later when he's playing the game against the older boys about how he's he picks up on those patterns and starts doing different things, so I think part of it is they may be looking for people who

Brandon 29:35

can break out or

Collin 29:37

do the unexpected, that's really what they're trying to do with this, but

Brandon 29:41

I mean, I think you're right, but

Collin 29:43

it's weird. You're right, it

Brandon 29:44

is weird, right? This is sort of the problem with, like, kind of what you were talking about earlier with the pet health thing, right? Like, it's similar to that problem in that, like, all of the people that are trying to solve the problem are only. Be working within the framework that caused the problem to be doing with right, so like I don't know, but like that's that's kind of what's happening here, like we're yeah, so anyway, we're doing in chapter four, we're not, we're in the thing here, we've just gotten to or launching right, we're launching, so we're getting on the shuttle, we're going to space-based battle school, whatever, and we're, and like, we're got all the kids in the thing, and then like there we have the like nothing has changed, because there's still this one kid who's like a jerk, and he's like picking on everybody, right? The new Stilton, the other kid, like he's causing problems.

Collin 30:52

Well, it already on the way in, Ender notices that he's not laughing like the other kids, he's not like he's, he's still acting different, very different, and not like any of the other sister coming in, because he's not finding the same things funny or any of that. Yeah,

Brandon 31:08

well, he's also observing his surroundings more. He's like realizing, like, oh, like he's realizing, like, that this shuttle is built for, like, no gravity, so, like, he's like as he's doing a thing he's like climbing up the ladder, but now he's like he's able to think in like different, he's like we're getting inside to how he thinks about space, like three dimensional space, because he's like oh right now this is the wall, but like this could also be the floor, like I like if there's no gravity and like the way that the seats and stuff are, he's like now it's like we're sitting on the wall, but if it's rotated around, this could be the floor, and that could be the wall, like he's thinking about things moving in three dimensional space, which, like, once it does get up into orbit, and they are kind of like free, the other kids have a hard time, like orientating themselves in the environment, and he's just like, yeah, it's fine, whatever, so he doesn't have that problem, because he was already thinking about the shaping and the moving of the environment before the environment moved, so he has some like foresight, we're getting his, we are getting into his ability to like think about things before they happen, right? Like, I guess that's kind of the way that he's.. I don't know how to describe that, but that's kind of what's going on here. But then we have an incident on the bus - it's really a bus, it's called the shuttle, but it's a bus, right? So, like that kid whose name I can't even remember now. He's like whacking kids in the head. This is classic school bus behavior again. That's how you know this book was written in the 80s, because there's somebody on the bus just like smacking kids in the head and being an idiot. So I remember this from writing school, and so, as Ender gets all grumpy about it, he like grabs the kid's arm and just like yanks him down, right, but because there's no gravity when he yanks him down, the other kid goes like flying, because he took his belt off to reach other kids to whack them in the head, and so he grabs, whips him out of the seat, and it, he goes like he does not anticipate the how much force that he put on this kid, and what it did to him, that really surprises him. He's like, "Oh, what's going?

Collin 33:39

Yes, yep, he's, yeah, cuz he's, he's like, well, I meant, I, it's both a like, he has a maneuver, but then he's also surprised by the outcome of that too, yeah, right,

Brandon 33:51

he's like, I'm just gonna yank his arm, but then the other guy's like, he like flies up out of the seat and breaks his arm because he crashes into something, right, because he has all of that momentum gets transferred to him, he gets pushed through the gravity, no gravity, air quotes, and then like smacks into something and breaks his arm.

Collin 34:11

Yeah,

Brandon 34:12

and then they're all like, oh my gosh,

Collin 34:15

yep, they all kind of get really silent, and then Graph comes in, yeah, and this was an interesting aspect of how much does Graf really believe this? Yeah, he like leans well. It's weird because he leans into this and he points out, like, enters the best, betters all of you. He's figuring this out, blah blah blah blah. None of you are going to make it, like, he intentionally pits him against it. I don't know how much he's believing that, or if he's just like, well, I need to put pressure to figure out if this is really the guy, so that we can move on to the next one. If not,

Brandon 34:49

yes, that's yeah, that's what, yeah. And I don't know if that, yes, like you said, it's hard to know if this is part of his training to see how Ender will take the situation, because, like, you know. Us full well what he's doing, right? Like, yeah, but also, like, is he.. is he just.. is this part of the tests, or is he actually that could be both, also potentially, right? Because we know from some other insights before that they do think that he is like a special.. he's a specialist boy, but like.. so I think it's.. it's a little both, like he does believe it. I think he does have some conviction in this, but he's also saying, like, oh, hey, this is part of the test too, to see how you respond, because now I know all the other kids will be against you, because I've expressed that you are my favorite. So, obviously, that's how it works. So

Collin 35:39

it's the, it's the gaming, and we'll get in more into the meta gaming, so as it is, yeah, that we will come into here shortly. But this is, this is all that this is,

Brandon 35:52

yeah. And he even says, like, whenever he's like, he's like, yeah, but I thought you were my friend, he's like, no, I can't be your friend. That's not how it works. He's like, my job is to.. and then we get more like weird things about Napoleon and Alexander. He's like, we need the next Napoleon Alexander, except for not them, because they all.. we need more

Collin 36:16

Caesar, except yeah, but not him. Basically,

Brandon 36:21

I don't really understand this paragraph, like he's like I need a person like Napoleon Alexander, except they all lost and died, but we also need a Caesar, except for he died too, and was a dictator

Collin 36:33

before he did it. Anyway, that's what I need.

Brandon 36:38

So he also, like, he's trying to make an.. it's like it comes across as he's trying to make an analogy about the quote unquote great men of history, but like he doesn't actually know what he needs for his current predicament.

Collin 36:50

That's true. They don't know, because, yeah, we later learned through a discussion about between some of the people.. he doesn't really know.. they don't really know even the army or the forces that they're up against, they don't know how many, they don't know what kind of their technology is, they don't know the number of ships, they don't know any of that stuff, and so they're just kind of, we just need the best, quote unquote,

Brandon 37:14

yeah, which leads me into an important question, like, Why don't you know these things, like what I don't understand the framework partially that this is occurring in, because like how do you not know about them? Like, is what happened that you're just like chilling on earth, minding your own business, some random space force, like, zipped in, like warp drived in, like attacked you, you beat them, and then they left, and you're just like assuming they're coming back. Is there, like, ongoing skirmishes happening at a galactic level? Like, what is happening outside of the school that you don't have any idea about the enemy force, which is weird. Like, how do you even know they're coming back? Like, what is going on around here? Like, we all know that espionage is a big important part of military operations, and so you're telling me there's no space spies? Okay, there's none,

Collin 38:20

none, right?

Brandon 38:20

Like, what is going on here? What get now, guys? I think I found your problem. Like, you don't.

Collin 38:26

Yeah, you should be doing more here. Where's the space

Brandon 38:31

CIA? That's like, what?

Collin 38:33

Yeah, busy over, busy overthrowing their, our own government. Oh, that's true. Yeah, it's

Brandon 38:41

fine. Yeah, they're in Iran. Um, anyway, oh no. So, yeah, anyway, that's this chapter, right? We kind of get in, we get this, we get this weird thing about, like, right at the end, he's talking about this part's weird too, where he's like humans need to be free, except when humanity needs them, right? Like, what, like your tool, that's all you are, kind of, sort of, except you're not, but you are like, again,

Collin 39:14

well, and then this starts the, the something, a triplicate that we encounter a couple times, where somebody looks at Ender and they ask, do you understand any of this? And then Ender, like, either doesn't respond or says yes, and to which the other person says no, of course you don't, there's no way you can understand. And then they continue to talk. I'm like,

Brandon 39:35

and then he understands, and then he actually

Collin 39:37

does understand. Wait a minute, what's going? I understand he's again plus, or he interprets

Brandon 39:42

it to the best of his ability. Yes, right, that's kind of.. he doesn't.. it doesn't think he always understands, but he like interprets it in a way that makes sense to him, and so he's like, yeah,

Collin 39:51

for sure,

Brandon 39:51

I understand it the best that I can understand

Collin 39:54

in the context of what I have now in my past experiences, yeah, yeah.

Brandon 40:00

Yeah, so we're getting in there, we're like doing so they arrived thing, and then we have chapter five, which is a very long chapter, it's entitled Games, but I'm going to call this casual racism, the chapter, right, that's what we're going to call this chapter, here comes out of nowhere. Oh my gosh, holy, holy, right? What

Collin 40:29

even is this?

Brandon 40:30

I don't know. I did it like this, right? Like, I holy cow, like this. All right, so first of all, we get, we get, if we're in the room, right, the bunkhouse room, which this was described in a very confusing manner, right? Like, I don't think I have a good grasp on what this room looks like, because they're all in there in bunk beds, but then also there's like cabinets and lockers and like closets that have desks in them and I don't,

Collin 41:05

there's yeah, pop out things that are only tied to your voice and hand something like yeah,

Brandon 41:12

also very inefficiently when you open one, why maybe this is the first time, but like when he opened the lock, like everything he had opened, and I was like, that's not useful. There's like five doors, like, put his hand on the scanner, says the password, and then, like, the locker, the foot locker, the closet, the thing, they all open. You're like, wait, that's not cool. Can we, yeah, but maybe that was just the first time, so he knew where his stuff was, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for that one, but so he's like setting up, he's getting in here, we have like a weird situation where it's like jail almost with like the bunk situation, and they're like, oh yeah, I'm gonna be here, and he like is the last one in the room, so he gets the weird bunk by the door, but everybody thinks that it's the worst bunk in the real world,

Collin 42:03

but jokes on them.

Brandon 42:05

Yeah, he's like, well, later we figured that out too. But he has also, like, he doesn't know at first. He's like, "Hey, thanks for saying this is what I wanted, guys. Thanks a lot. It's so kind of you to like take the sting out of there.

Collin 42:17

Yes, yeah, he's yeah, he plays it off like, yeah, okay, cool, thanks. But then, yeah, we later gets his name, Dap, oh yeah, the

Brandon 42:27

room mother, the room, which

Collin 42:29

is also he's

Brandon 42:30

like the prefect potter, right? Like,

Collin 42:33

he comes in, he's like, well, we usually put the squadron leader down in the bottom bunk by the door, but it's already taken, and we can't reprogram these, so it's like, oh, that was actually a place of honor and status, I guess. Weirdly, I don't know,

Brandon 42:49

yeah, whatever. So we get some introductions, they're kind of wandering around. We learn that there's like a, if you get lost, you can say like your squad's code thing, and like the lights will take you to where they're supposed to go, right. We kind of get a layout of the station. They're like going around, they're looking at stuff. Apparently, there's some of the games happening here that we're watching. He's trying to figure out, like, who's what team and all this stuff, right. And then we get this weird, like, interaction in the cafeteria, right, and inners sitting over by himself, eating, and this random kid comes up to him, like an older kid, right, and he sits down, he's sort of talking to him, just kind of like, hey, look, here's what's up, he's kind of just lays out what the school's like to him a little bit, and he's like, "You gotta, you know, really do this, and like, if you're gonna be the leader, you gotta do something. You can't be sitting over here by yourself. And he's like, "I would know. He's like, "Because I'm not made to be a leader, look at me, I'm a. we get here some weird, like, body. body ism.. I don't really know what's happening. He's like, I'm just a big strong guy. I could never be a leader, like it's like some sort of like Dungeons and Dragons situation, where like the barbarian can't be smart, right? Yeah, yeah, he's like, you're big and strong, so you obviously can't also be smart, that's what he's saying to about himself, he's like, I'm just a big strong guy, so I'm gonna ice out, which is just washing out, right, and just be a go to soldier school, because there's no way I could lead, because I'm like this, which is odd, right, where you, so we have some like very clear stereotyping here, of like, if you're big and burly, you are dumb,

Collin 44:47

obviously.

Brandon 44:48

That's what we're putting here. So that's that's what's happening, right? We have some, we have this classic stereotype: if you're smart, you're gonna be like skinny and frail, but if you're big and burly, you're dumb.

Collin 45:00

Dumb.

Brandon 45:01

Yes, yes. So, here we go. Obviously, racism, part one, almost. We're leading up, we're leading up here. We've got.. oh, yeah, it gets.. it gets

Collin 45:09

so much better.

Brandon 45:12

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Where is that stage one? Okay, stage one here. Just like stereotyping, okay? Stereotyping,

Collin 45:21

we're cool with stereotyping here,

Brandon 45:23

yeah, yeah, it's totally, totally normal, right? So, there we go, we've got that, and then he like goes back to his room, and he like cries again, but then by the time the room mother comes around, he's like not crying anymore. Well, he does multiplication, and that clumps him

Collin 45:40

well, and and he thanks his brother for being so mean to him for all that time, so yeah, that he can cry

Brandon 45:48

silently.

Collin 45:49

Oh my goodness. Okay, yeah. Oh, so that I won't have to cry here. Cool,

Brandon 46:02

I'm done crying now.

Collin 46:04

Yeah, I finished.

Brandon 46:06

Boom. Okay. So, so then we have part two here, where we go, and we have some school stuff. All right. And then he's watching. This is where we like, we get more of that, like he's figuring out things, right? So he, he go, he's watching them play the game, right? Yeah, the older boys, he's, they're watching, he's watching them do something, right. Well,

Collin 46:31

because he got bored with watching the little kids play,

Brandon 46:35

yeah,

Collin 46:36

right. But yeah, he's he goes watch the older ones,

Brandon 46:38

yeah. And so they're like, what are you doing here and he's like I'm just watching, you know, whatever he was watching them play, and then he slowly began to figure out what was going on, he like figured out the rules, right, and so he decided, like, well, if I want to improve myself and get better and showcase my, see if I'm actually going to not wash out, I need to, like, I can't, I can beat all of the little kids right now, like, yeah, everybody my own age, I'm already beating them, and it's not like even hard, it's like easy. So he's like, I'm gonna challenge you, older guy, he's like, I will play you next, and they're like, you can't, he hits them with the classic too, he's like, you can't beat me, he's like, I'm not even going to waste my time on you, and he's like, well, if it's so easy, why are you scared to play me? Yep. Oh, oh, got him classic, right? Classic. And so the older kid agrees, and then it's some sort of like arcade, it's like an arcade cabinet, it's

Collin 47:42

an arcade thing. Yeah,

Brandon 47:43

that's like what it's that's what you're supposed to get out of this, right? Because there's controllers and like a joystick and stuff, right? And so he beat, he plays him at first and he gets beat, and he's like, "No, we said two out of three. He's like, "I don't even want to waste my time with you, and he's like, "Oh, big man, like you, beating somebody who's never played before, it's so impressive, man, right?

Collin 48:05

Okay, I see how this

Brandon 48:08

is psychology, right? That's what he's hitting them with, right here. And so he plays him again, and he beats him, and he plays him the third time, and he wipes the floor with this kid.

Collin 48:18

Yes,

Brandon 48:20

and so naturally, oh, stupid game, they need to be there's about time to update these things, these are totally broken, right? That's what we

Collin 48:28

plays it off,

Brandon 48:29

plays it off, right? So he does beat the older kids at their game, right, and he's like, he's like, ah, you know, sweet, they're, you know, they won't forget me now, because they know I'll give them something to remember me about, right. And then we go back here, we're going back to, we're back in the school, we're walking around, oh, the Bernard, he's the kid that he broke, this army broke, right, the jerk kid, right. We get our first, we get some more weird stereotyping, right? Part two, right? Where he's like, uh, he's arrogant because he's French.

Collin 49:11

Yeah, yo, what sounds exotic? French, he's

Brandon 49:17

like with their arrogant separatism, insisting that they don't, they don't teach standard, which I'm assuming is language. He's like, they make everybody speak French first, and then learn common later, right? We don't say common because that's like a fantasy word to talk about common language. We say standard because it's

Collin 49:39

sci-fi. See, see how I'm not doing the thing, yeah,

Brandon 49:42

yeah. So, like, he's like, we just get some more casual French stereotyping. He's like, he's so arrogant, that's probably because he's French. Yeah,

Collin 49:52

that makes sense.

Brandon 49:54

What? And so he's like, he. So he's making fun of his accents because he says words weirdly because he's French, right. So this is where we're getting the square off. We're getting the like Bernard is trying to make himself the leader, you know. I'm going to be in charge here, I'm going to be in charge, I'm going to be the big kid on campus, right. And so he, like, is doing the thing where, where Anders walking down the hallway, he like trips him in the hallway, right? Boom, again, classic 80s movie trope, tripping the kid in the hallway, or tripping the kid with his lunch tray. Oh man, and then we make fun of him and call him names, because he keeps falling all over the place, haha. So he calls him Maledois, right, which means clumsy in French. Yeah, and so that's what Bernard calls Ender Maledois. He's like, haha, you fell down, nose it, that man. Like this is what I'm imagining, like a comical bad French accent in this character, that's what. Yeah, and so Ender decides he's gonna play my games, right? He's like making friends with another kid, this Shin kid, right, who Bernard picks on and calls him worm because of how his butt wiggles when he walks, which is weird. Anyway, so Ender decides he's gonna be friends with that kid because now he knows that they, since they have a common enemy, they have a, they can be friends, right? So Ender's starting his own little group, his

Collin 51:45

own gang around, yeah,

Brandon 51:47

yeah, which,

Collin 51:48

yeah,

Brandon 51:49

whatever. And then we get the more desk shenanigans, right? The desks also send messages like before, and then Ender starts sending weird messages on the desk to he figures out how to hack the desks again, and we're also getting this some more like behind the scenes things, because he's like, "Yo, this was so easy, they have to know, know that we can do this. He's like, "So this has to be a thing that they expect to know us how to do, because this was so easy. He's like, "If I can do this, if a, if a kid can do this, then clearly it was not designed to be safe and secure. It was designed to be broken and messed with, right? Like, he's realizing that, like, what we're getting here is we're getting some insight into, like, perhaps the thing that we need is not - it's not like physical brute strength, right? It's the psychology aspect, right. It is the mind games, right. This is what has to happen because Bernard is making fun of somebody's butt. Ender sends a message on the desks that say, "Cover your butt, Bernard is watching.

Collin 52:57

Watch dash God, yeah, God sent this message. Don't forget that, right?

Brandon 53:04

And he thought that was hilarious. And then he later sends another message that says, I love your butt, let me kiss it, Bernard, because these are every message has a the thing of who sent it on there, so that you know who's saying the messages. And then, so Ender has figured out how to break this and really do some craziness here, and like the best part about this is when Dapp comes back in and he's like, what's going on, and Bernard is like screaming about Ender, and he was like, are you screaming at me? Blow your voice now, and he's like,

Collin 53:44

oh,

Brandon 53:45

he's getting all mad, he's like yelling again. Really, that's what you're doing to me, you're gonna yell at me, Junior? Like, no.

Collin 53:52

What I love about that, then, is that he goes, he goes, oh, let me.. oh, someone sent a message, let me see, and oh, I know exactly who sent this, and he's of course, then Bernard is like, yeah, it was, it was Inder, and he's like, no, it was you, because it's got your name on it, anyway, everyone back to your beds,

Brandon 54:13

yeah, well, also the other one was funny, I thought it was funny too, he's like, someone yesterday sent a message that was signed, God, Bernard replied, and Dapp just goes, really, I didn't know he was logged into the system, like, so again, he's not there, he's only there to like put out the big fires,

Collin 54:30

yes,

Brandon 54:31

right, he's sort of like, like, if they're doing like little stuff to like establish some sort of like hierarchy, that's what they're looking, they want them to establish their own hierarchy by themselves, right, and then like leave right, so it's like that's what's going on here, it's like a like as long as they're not like actually like stabbing each other, not really going to intervene that much, that's kind of where we are,

Collin 54:57

yeah,

Brandon 54:57

that's the level of care that we give to. Those people, right, and so we were getting cracks, and we're getting factions right, but Andrew now at least has a friend,

Collin 55:10

yep,

Brandon 55:10

right. And then after that, he gets like more people came and sat with him at lunch. Oh man, so now there's like a faction, okay? So we have factions going, and then we have chapter six, which is weird. This is like racism, big time chapter, and then like the end of this chapter is so weird that I was, I had to read over it again because I did not follow what was going on. Well, yeah, some sort of puzzle occurring, right? Like that's what's going on here.

Collin 55:40

Yeah. Well, so I actually, so yeah, so we in this chapter they are now learning about spacesuits and moving in zero gravity, better, I guess, yeah. And this is also somehow the bridge between him and Bernard, because he can put a third person in there, Aria, what was his name?

Brandon 56:06

Oh, yeah, Ali,

Collin 56:08

Ali, where now he has Ali in there for to to be the bridge, so that Ali is now the squad leader person, and I don't know, like, there was a very, yeah,

Brandon 56:22

so that part made sense to me, a little bit, right. We have the, like, okay, well, instead of Ender and Bernard fighting for dominance, right, Ender has endorsed this other guy,

Collin 56:34

yeah,

Brandon 56:34

right, that he knows Bernard is friends with, and so he, like, he thinks he knows that if this guy is in charge, Bernard won't be that upset, because it's not Ender,

Collin 56:46

yeah,

Brandon 56:47

right. And so he's Ender, saying, like, okay, look, I can solve my problem, like I don't really want to be in charge that much, like I don't really care, but I don't want Bernard to be in charge, but I kind of like this guy, and so I'll back him, and then Bernard will be okay with it, and then we can kind of get everything lined out. So that's kind of what he's done here. He has maneuvered this situation through weird floating through space, and like playing with all the buttons, and like they bond over like they both figure out how to operate in this room where they're floating around freely, shooting lasers, and they figure out what the lasers do, and they realize that if you shoot the laser, it freezes other people, and so they just start shooting all the other people, and they're like, "It's not fair, we didn't know, and the dude's like, "Well, you've all been in here 30 minutes, and they figured it out, so what do you mean you didn't know? He's like, we didn't tell them either.

Collin 57:42

Yeah, I thought that was funny.

Brandon 57:43

So that's kind of what's happening in this part, is they're getting this like he's establishing a social order that is more conducive to him by this like power play where he's like, "Oh, I'll be friends with Bernard's friend, I'll make all kind of ally with him, and then I'll push him to the top, and then, like, both Bernard and I can support him, and that way there is no more factions, there's just everybody together with this guy at the top, right, but also we do this partially just through the most like extreme racist jokes casually.

Collin 58:27

Oh yeah,

Brandon 58:28

just out of nowhere, right? Like out of absolutely nowhere. We just dropped the hard r, like for like. Ah, how could I? How could I convey that this character is black? I know, let's call him, yo. What also this distressed me slightly. Well, not slightly, a lot, but like for multiple reasons, right? Because the joke is, hey, we can't all be blah, yep, and he's, and then the kid says, my grandpa would have killed you for that, to which Ender responds, Well, my great great grandpa would have sold him first,

Collin 59:10

yep, yep,

Brandon 59:11

okay, first of all, here's what, here's why this is a problem canonically for this story, what year is this story set in?

Collin 59:20

Yeah,

Brandon 59:22

if this is the far future, when did slavery end?

Collin 59:27

Wind, wind, win. What is the timeline for this?

Brandon 59:31

Yeah, what year is this book?

Collin 59:33

Look, math is like space

Brandon 59:35

conference. Collin, Collin, I did some calculating. Our great great grandparents were not old enough for that to happen. Our, our great, great grandparents were born after the Civil War,

Collin 59:50

and we don't live in the far future. No, it turns out,

Brandon 59:55

no, we don't. But you know what, Collin? Orson Scott Card is 75 years old.

Collin 1:00:02

Oh, oh, it's his. He's right. His great great grandparents' parents

Brandon 1:00:07

are old enough for this to have card is Ender Orson Scott Card's weird self-inter character.

Collin 1:00:15

Yeah, is

Brandon 1:00:16

that what's going on here?

Collin 1:00:18

I think so. Totally. totally. I

Brandon 1:00:23

don't like that at all. That's gross, right? But I just did some quick calculating and realized that our great great grandparents were born in the 1880s right, roundabout.

Collin 1:00:41

Yeah,

Brandon 1:00:41

this is like many years after slavery was abolished, United States. Yes, so I was just like, oh no, oh, the ramifications of this are bad either. This book is contemporary with when it was written, and we're just like on an alternate timeline, where there's more space stuff.

Collin 1:01:05

Yeah,

Brandon 1:01:05

or slavery in the US was not abolished. This is like an alternate history book, where there was slavery up until like five seconds ago.

Collin 1:01:15

Yeah, there was

Brandon 1:01:17

just slavery until the aliens came, and they're like, nevermind, just kidding.

Collin 1:01:20

Just came, and they just stopped. All be together here, yeah.

Brandon 1:01:24

And that is super sus. Also, like, I don't like the ramifications of this paragraph of any

Collin 1:01:31

of that,

Brandon 1:01:32

the in the slightest,

Collin 1:01:34

no,

Brandon 1:01:35

right? Like, I don't like it. Wow.

Collin 1:01:40

Well, you know, there's be interesting to keep that kind of framing moving forward in the, yeah, it's

Brandon 1:01:49

so weird,

Collin 1:01:53

yeah,

Brandon 1:01:53

like I don't, don't, this is not this, no, no, this is not how you do this. This is just this is bad, like that. Yeah, I don't.. I know, I know, I understand. 1985 okay? But, like, in my personal opinion, this is not okay in 1985 either, right? Like, that's just me, whatever. I don't care, right? Like, like, that's messed up. And now we're just gonna keep that in here. We just throw this in the science fiction book. We're like, oh, throw that out. Like,

Collin 1:02:31

just a story, bro. Don't, bro, don't worry, it's not though. It's fine.

Brandon 1:02:36

Anyway, anyway, so that, that is this right.

Collin 1:02:40

Well, and so we do. I do want to just briefly, like, and then I do need to jump, but like, yeah, we can wrap up the

Brandon 1:02:46

last payroll here. We do

Collin 1:02:48

end where he's playing the Giant, which apparently I played, and like, you can't win, and like it's real weird. This

Brandon 1:02:58

is the part that I was talking about, this real weird, like, he's there's something called the Giants game, which is the name of this chapter, not racism incarnate, but like he's playing this game, he gets obsessed with this game because he can't figure out how to win, right, and the giant, it's like a series of things, you go through all this stuff, blah blah, and the end is a giant, and the giant gives you two choices, and Ender has played this game so much that, like, no matter what choice he picks, it kills you. Yeah, right. And so he's like getting really upset about this, and he becomes obsessed with trying to solve the problem. He's like, there has to be a way for you to be able to figure out which one doesn't kill you,

Collin 1:03:37

and get to Fairyland,

Brandon 1:03:39

yes, and get to Fairyland, because he wants to get to Fairyland, and then he's like mad, and he's like, it's Fairyland, probably sucks, it's lame, and I don't even like it, it's really dumb, and then it's very.. I thought for a second he was dreaming the solution to this, because he talks about, he went to sleep, but it never talks about, like, so I'm just assuming that he just keeps coming back and back into this. Right, this is where I got slightly confused, and then he, like, stabs the giant in the eyeball. Well, no,

Collin 1:04:16

he kicks over a cup, jumps on the giant, and then burrows into its eye, and then there's a bat there, and the bat's like, "What are you doing? He's like, "I don't know, and the bat goes, "Welcome to Fairyland, and flies off. I

Brandon 1:04:38

kicked one over, then the other, then dodged the giant's huge hands as the giant shouted cheater, cheater. He jumped on the giant's face, dug into his eyeball. The giant fell over backwards, and then that's it. Right, he climbed out of the eyeball. He was in Fairyland, and he's like,

Collin 1:04:59

and then it's. Up going and exploring, he shuts it off, and then he's because he, he's mad that that was his reaction to to beat the game, and so you can see how I think what this is setting up is Ender doesn't like to solve things with violence at all.

Brandon 1:05:14

Yes, and

Collin 1:05:14

so he did solve it, but he's really unhappy that he had to use violence in order that he had to solve

Brandon 1:05:20

it that way, right? Because he said the closing lines here are I hadn't meant to kill the giant, or he had it meant to kill the giant. This was supposed to be a game, not a choice between his own grizzly death and an even worse murder. Yeah, I'm not a murderer, even when I play. Peter would be proud of me.

Collin 1:05:38

Yeah, so I think what this is setting up is he's always going to choose the non-violent route, and yeah, he's going, and then we'll, he's gonna

Brandon 1:05:47

like, the extreme violence is the last resort.

Collin 1:05:51

Yes,

Brandon 1:05:51

right, like, because we have seen that he does, he knows that, like, extreme violence can solve his problems.

Collin 1:06:00

Yes, he does, but

Brandon 1:06:01

like, but they only solve them in the immediate sense. They don't like with the kid on the shuttle, right? He broke his arm, but like, then that made everything that didn't make everything better. No, right? Everything was still bad. It didn't, so like, the extreme violent solution was not like it was an answer, but it didn't solve the problem.

Collin 1:06:24

Yes,

Brandon 1:06:25

you know, I mean, so,

Collin 1:06:26

so that's where we, that's where we head, that's our framing for moving forward.

Brandon 1:06:32

Yeah,

Collin 1:06:32

so we will see. I have a haiku. Hooray, we will jump. My haiku booked it yesterday, the suit. suitcase still looks shocked, too. That might be wrong. Wheels spin at sunrise. Yes, it's good. It's good. Okay, very good. Well, we will. We will keep reading here and try this again next week.

Brandon 1:07:06

Okay, there we go.

Collin 1:07:07

Love you, love you too. Bye.