an alcove
Collin found a combination of restaurants. Brandon remembers everyone's favorite Chinese place. And Pip has a shocking truth bomb.
Combination restaurants
An alcove
Just a food court
Everyone's favorite chinese place
Brandon’s haiku
Metals glistening
Under the Italian snow
A bright golden glow
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podcast, Austin Texas, remote location, business lounge, combination restaurant, Applebee's, IHOP, Burger King, late stage capitalism, Chinese takeout, band performance, school attendance, Miss Havisham, Pip's expectations, convict's revelation
SPEAKERS
Brandon, Collin Funkhouser
Collin Funkhouser 00:00
Collin, welcome to Oh brother, a podcast where we try to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon and Collin on this week's show, an alcove Ahoy, ahoy. How's it going?
Brandon 00:21
It's going pretty good. How are you
Collin Funkhouser 00:25
I am in I am in a remote place of places. I have found an alcove in a hotel by which we can discourse.
Brandon 00:43
Here I will no business lounge. No, it is
Collin Funkhouser 00:48
in the business lounge. But of the lounge there's, there's like a cove of the business loungey area, nice. There we go. So secret corner is this low? Secret corner? Yeah, yes. So we have traveled far in a field. We have made it into Austin, Texas, and let me tell you, I figured, what better thing to do in Austin that the podcast because they've never it's a place that has never heard of podcasting,
Brandon 01:24
yeah, so it's brand new here, here, right? Really, to
Collin Funkhouser 01:28
start this trend. And,
Brandon 01:31
yeah, nice, perfect.
Collin Funkhouser 01:37
Oh, my goodness. Oh, yes. So we are here.
Brandon 01:44
We're not doing it for tax evasion purposes. We're here. Miss Collin is posting right like,
Collin Funkhouser 01:52
obviously, this is what we're doing. So if I, if I, if I stray too far from the microphone, let me know, because I'm in a, again, I'm in an I'm in an alcove,
Brandon 02:04
in the Nook, in an alcove, corner,
Collin Funkhouser 02:08
Al, nuke. Al, no Cove. It's actually a very interesting little spot. Let me see if I can send you this picture like it's
Brandon 02:18
very Harry pottery. What you're describing, right? Like, we're,
Collin Funkhouser 02:23
yeah, I mean, it looks nice, like, I don't know, like it's alive, yes, okay, right? So it's not like, it's not like, I'm not under it, I'm not under a staircase.
Brandon 02:33
I meant, like, hogwartsy, like, you go around a corner and a corner and a quarter and, oh, like, hidden back away that no one even knew was there is, well,
Collin Funkhouser 02:42
I'm behind some locked doors and around a corner and then another corner. So it's kind of like that. Yeah, yes.
Brandon 02:52
So I like it. Yeah, pick up activated, even on remote location. Good. Yes, glad to see that it's important.
Collin Funkhouser 03:03
Yes, I have that I've have some water over here that I'm keeping away. I'm keeping these away from my, my on my little, tiny desk.
Brandon 03:12
So, like, this is a good plan
Collin Funkhouser 03:14
job if I turn to my left it so I'm going to try and work on my mic. Technique here, that's, that's all but travel day. So we took two days to travel, and has been good. But I have, I have to report to you something that is the most terrifying thing I have encountered in all my Oh, dear.
03:43
Oh no. So
Collin Funkhouser 03:47
you know, they have those, like combination restaurants, right?
Brandon 03:55
Yes, okay, I have yes, these now I don't these are allegedly, according to the internet, these are going out of fashion. It's hard to find them. Oh, some of, some of them, right? Like the KFC Taco Bell is a rare beast.
Collin Funkhouser 04:11
Is a rare beast indeed. And so we're driving along, and we're in, I don't remember where we are, Hillsborough, Texas, and we're getting about a real place, definitely, definitely a real place. And Megan says, Hey, we need to, it's time for lunch. We need to think about what we're going to be eating. And I was like, Okay, this is great. So we start a looking and a searching. And we both look over to the left, and Megan goes, oh. And I say, Oh, well, we're going to eat it IHOP. And Megan goes, No, we just had, we had breakfast stuff this morning at the hotel. We're not, we're not doing that. We're going to do the Applebee's. You. And I said, hot Applebees. And she said, over there. And I'm like, okay, so we we turn around after I missed the exit, which is fine,
Brandon 05:11
obviously, channeling your inner dad, I like
Collin Funkhouser 05:15
it just went and we pull up, and it's this gas station that's right across from a buckys. So, you know, they're trying to compete and and in this building. Now, I did not get the full picture here, but this this restaurant is an Applebee's slash
Brandon 05:37
IHOP Dang, the rarest of beasts. And then not now, I saw somewhere I was watching videos about, like, a random dude that, like, eats, like, like, restaurant tour, video, things, whatever. And then I think this, this, this subject was brought up. I don't know if he was going to go to one of these, or he did go to one of these. Like, this is, this is hilarious that you found this.
Collin Funkhouser 06:00
I found one in real life, in real life, in the wild, and not just but we ate at it. Okay, yeah, one of these two. Okay, that may say a lot about, like, what we do.
Brandon 06:13
But here's the other thing, how could you not? It's right there.
Collin Funkhouser 06:17
I mean, you probably should not, and for being very real about this. Here's the
Brandon 06:23
other worked out in your scenario, you're the perfect demographic because you wanted the breakfast thing and your life did not. Yeah, and low
Collin Funkhouser 06:33
and low. Here it is. Here's but Brandon, I'm not telling you what other restaurant was attached to this.
Brandon 06:41
Oh, my God, triple. Oh, I was not ready for triple.
Collin Funkhouser 06:46
So, so in in one you can sit down and there's a menu, and the menu is one half Applebee's one half. However, if this is not to your life like
Brandon 06:58
a man, bear, pig situation, one half man, half bear, one. They went
Collin Funkhouser 07:03
so far, and I did not, I did not want to take too many photos. But like the decorating, like half of the room is very Applebee's, the other half of the room is very eye hoppy. It's very weird. It's very odd. It's very odd, it's very disturbing. And so
Brandon 07:17
two esthetics are very dissimilar. I don't know you
Collin Funkhouser 07:22
could tell that they like a
Brandon 07:26
hard vertical line where all of a sudden the blue and red light lines happen. The other side is like random pictures nailed to a wall.
Collin Funkhouser 07:35
Yes, well, no, you could tell that they really tried to find they did actually try to find some common ground for like, middle Ness here. So it wasn't just like, okay. But if you flip through this and you were like, none of this is what I really want. If, if you were to turn to your right, you could walk down a very short hallway into a Burger King. Oh, my god, wow, that's part
Brandon 08:12
of this. The best part of this, and the reason this is like so confusing, right, is that it's not a like KFC Taco Bell situation. Or, like, there's, like, sometimes there's, like a long john silvers and like something else together, right? But like this, like Applebee's sales burgers. IHOP sells burgers, and, of course, Burger King sells burgers. So like, you really sort of over saturating the market in just the
Collin Funkhouser 08:46
burgers, right? Like the burger per square footage here is off the charts. Off The Charts should be legislated. There should be legislation the amount of burgers, right?
Brandon 09:03
Like, oh, I think in Kansas City there, a long time ago, there used to be the like, the mythical KFC Taco Bell Pizza Hut, right? Yes, this is a restaurant that caters to a broad variety of things. Yes, right, but you accidentally stumbled into which burger would you?
Collin Funkhouser 09:27
Which burger Do you want? Right? Like, it's so anyway, I we just like something, man, it was something else. And then the other thought hit me, like, here I am traveling through taking part in this spectacle of commercialization of capitalism, like, genuinely, like, okay, cool, cool, like, late stage capitalism, say, What, and, and, but. But then I realize I'm sitting there and somebody comes in and picks up a do. Go order. Oh no, in Hillsborough text. So then I'm, really, didn't I, like my brain just suddenly, like in the matrix for and I'm going, Oh, the locals can just come here
Brandon 10:16
like crazy. They just, you can
Collin Funkhouser 10:19
just roll out of bed and be like, Yo, what you want? I'm going. I have one address. I can either get you an Applebee's burger, IHOP burger or a Burger King burger. I'm making one stop. Let me know, right? Like, like, what a world, what
Brandon 10:35
a do they question? Do they does the combined restaurant have the full menu? Or is it a limited menu from each location?
Collin Funkhouser 10:49
Full menu. Dang, full menu. And that says a lot for Applebee's and IHOP, that is a lot.
Brandon 10:56
Yeah, because the app, I would argue that the IHOP menu is too big.
Collin Funkhouser 11:01
It's too much. Like, you don't need too big already. It's just eggs and carbs stop. Like, just pull back, just a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. But no, yeah, it's all like, in there, yeah, the menu that you get handed, it was, like, six pages and or more. Like, it was like, you felt the Earth Kind of rumble beneath you whenever they did
Brandon 11:23
it like thud down on the table with like a Indiana Jones ish sound effect.
Collin Funkhouser 11:30
Yes, the dust pushes out everywhere. Yes, it's
Brandon 11:34
fantastic. It wasn't dust. It was actually flour
Collin Funkhouser 11:38
from pancakes. There it is nice. So, yeah, there we were, like, just, like, eaten and and then we got our way, and I left that magical fairy world of this, like, trifecta of crazy, yes, yeah, that is, that is of the news that I have to bring you today. Like die. I had to share this before it got away from me.
Brandon 12:05
That is important news. Holy cow, I don't even know how to process this information.
Collin Funkhouser 12:10
I haven't I've just let it go. It just, there's no processing. Why process it just needs to be out there in the world.
Brandon 12:17
It's true. Just kind of live with it and move on. Yeah, I think the more you
Collin Funkhouser 12:21
process it, the more like, probably the worse it gets. Yeah, absolutely, just kind of like, Hey, we're just gonna roll with this.
Brandon 12:28
So that's fair. Yeah, that's a wow, wow. Holy cow. I didn't, I was not expecting that. I'm not gonna lie.
Collin Funkhouser 12:38
Yeah, I know. I know. I know of all the things that I could have shared of an 11 hour journey from Missouri to Texas boom.
Brandon 12:46
I mean, a majority of that is quite empty, right? But like you know, because you had to go through
Collin Funkhouser 12:58
Oklahoma, yes,
Brandon 13:02
oh, according to the internet, they were KFC slash Long John Silver's like, man,
Collin Funkhouser 13:08
that's even worse, that's crazy. That
Brandon 13:11
is crazy, all right. Anyway, so man, wow. Thing, I don't even know how to follow that. I've done nothing as exciting as this at all, not even close.
Collin Funkhouser 13:23
Oh, oh no.
Brandon 13:28
Mythical IHOP, Applebee's Burger King combo restaurant,
Collin Funkhouser 13:33
I wouldn't try. I think, I think you may into some, like, there's a fine line between that and, like, the really dark places. So just true.
Brandon 13:42
This is what, this is what's happening when you're closing Pizza Huts, and this is what you get instead, like, this is
Collin Funkhouser 13:51
unfair, right? Nature abhors a vacuum, and here we have,
Brandon 13:54
yeah, it does this. What happens is coalescing with some sort of monstrosity, right? It's like, so I've been to like, buildings in like bigger cities and like that are, like, it's like, just a food court, right? Like, the whole building is just, oh yes. So it's like the food court in the mall without the mall attached to it, you know. So, like, I've been to some of these in like bigger cities or in like other countries, like, there was really cool when I was doing like, Sydney, right? But like, this is like, a worse version of that, right?
Collin Funkhouser 14:26
Like, it's worse. People get worse, absolutely worse.
Brandon 14:32
Like, like, this is, like, is what is what's gonna start happening when, like, because we're used to, like, telecommunications mergers, right, where, like one company owns like every single thing. But what's gonna happen when like one company owns, when there's actually, when there's only like five restaurant companies left, oh and right, and they're just like, horrendous hybrid restaurants, right? That are just. Like, what sort of, like, unholy combinations will exist, like
Collin Funkhouser 15:05
homunculus of menus formed
Brandon 15:09
the end of days, just be and the best, the best part about it is the only refuge from this will be Chinese restaurants, yes, right. They will just that will be the Bastion, the last free bastion of American cuisine will be the Chinese takeout. That'll be it, yes, standing strong against all odds, as it has for like, 100 years,
15:44
pretty much unchanged.
Brandon 15:50
The bastion of all that is free, the Chinese takeout place, right? That's really
Collin Funkhouser 16:01
and you know what? I'll be fine with that. I'll be fine with that. At least
Brandon 16:06
that's true. At least it will have excellent chicken, right? That's what you can count on, right? You know, no, it's like, that's like, the two like you, these, these other things exist so that when you are traveling, you have, like, a reliable thing that you can know fast about. You go, like, Oh yes, I know that. I hop what that is. I don't have to, like, worry about searching. But you also just know it doesn't really matter what the Chinese restaurant is. It will be good. You just go. You don't care.
Collin Funkhouser 16:41
Doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter at all. Nope, it does not.
Brandon 16:49
It's just gonna be. There's a denizen of southwestern Missouri. I've been to many Chinese restaurants, and I don't think I've ever been to one and been like, I mean, there's been some that are like, less good that I don't prefer, but it is a rare beast indeed. When you go and you're like, No, I did not like that, right?
Collin Funkhouser 17:11
There's always something where you're like, Yeah, that was, you know,
Brandon 17:15
you're like, okay, but like, you're still full and, yeah, there's a like, it may not be like the best one ever, but it's also it's like, very rarely, is it ever bad, right? You never. It's hard to find bad Chinese food, right? Difficult.
Collin Funkhouser 17:35
So Megan may have any issues with that, because she says it's, you know, it's all bad, but
Brandon 17:44
this is incorrect, wrong. Take,
Brandon 17:56
like, I just know, like, whenever I was, like, younger, right? Like you have different friends, right? Like it seems like, at least in Springfield, right, like every different friend you have has a different favorite Chinese restaurant, so you end up going to a whole bunch of them, and none of them were bad,
Collin Funkhouser 18:20
right? Okay, it's good, yeah, everybody and, well, it's also interesting is Yeah, everyone has, like, the one that they like and that everyone like for whatever weird reason. It's like, Oh, this one makes the really good crab and goon, or, like, this one has really good cashew chicken and like. And then everyone just, yeah, has their own that they go with, yeah, yeah.
Brandon 18:43
And so like, when you are whenever, yeah, it's a weird thing that I noticed was, like, all I had a bunch of friends, and they all had different favorite Chinese restaurants, which is not a bad problem to have, but it's interesting that you just that's how you end up going to a whole bunch of different ones, because all of your friends want to go to different places.
Collin Funkhouser 19:02
Right, yeah. Well, you just get to try some new things. That's true, that's
Brandon 19:09
true, or you just try to catch chicken in all of them, to be fair, actually happens,
Collin Funkhouser 19:16
yes, same thing across everything. It's fine. You gotta test the sauce though. It's okay, yeah, yeah.
Brandon 19:26
Anyway, I really haven't done anything this week. I played with the band a little bit more. I think last game is tomorrow, so I'm doing tomorrow, okay, as we're doing that for I think it's less home game anyway, so it's like senior night. It's gonna go to the band seniors and stuff like that. So that's what we're that's what we're doing tomorrow. Oh, very nice. Pretty much it. Otherwise, it's been pretty wacky. We still have like, a bunch of kids, like, sick, right? So, like, I just like that. I don't think there's been a school day in like, weeks that I've had, like. All of the people there. Oh, really, yeah, it's real weird. Oh, wow, this is very abnormal, right? So it's kind of frustrating. It's like, so hard to get these people caught up, because, like, this person misses this day, but then that person misses this did the next day, and then this other person misses two days. It's just like, yeah. So it's very stressful to try to get caught up and make sure everybody is, like, on track and like, did they do the thing? Did you do this thing? Hold on, come back. I need you to do this thing. Like this is very distressing. So that's been my biggest problem is, like, wrangling all the things.
Collin Funkhouser 20:40
Well, yeah, because you're not just wrangling people, you're also wrangling, like, status of compassion and where they are in, how things are like, yeah, it's it would be one thing if you're just trying to keep track of how many days people missed, but now you're like, the start of stopping nature and where they are in each individual assignment and everything to
Brandon 21:02
do this thing. And I have to give you the background this, and I have to make sure you have this note for this thing. Like, it's, it's very It's very weird that, like this year, it seems like worse than normal. Now, again, I think part of this is because this is the largest class I have had in several years. Oh, really. So, like, that is also, I think, skewing my perception of events, right? Because if you have more people, then it's more likely that someone's gonna be gone, right? It just statistically makes sense that you will have that so, like, it would be harder to have people there, although this winter illness has been quite rampant, just like flu, with everything, yeah. So I think those two factors combined might make it see I think because the class is so much bigger, not so much, but it's bigger than the last several years that I've had just sure for whatever reason. Like, it makes it feel worse too, because I just have more people to keep track of in general, sure, right? So that is also adding to, like, the perception of me being like, ah,
Collin Funkhouser 22:18
there's more just, there's just
Brandon 22:19
more stuff, more to do, yes? So
Brandon 22:28
since you have to get the get going here for your big hosting
Collin Funkhouser 22:33
event, oh my goodness Yeah. Oh my goodness Yeah, let's talk about oh, your man's yeah, here, yeah, this one was something, wasn't we do?
Brandon 22:45
Well, it was Oh 37 right? Because I can count, okay,
Collin Funkhouser 22:51
I'm losing track as well. I'm
Brandon 22:54
again, because we have, like, several chapters where, like, like, one of these chapters is like, meh. The other one is like, Oh, by the way, before things get crazy, I need to tell you about this, which makes you go, what? And then we have, oh, God, what's going on? Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about 39
Collin Funkhouser 23:24
oh my gosh, we can, yeah, we can
Brandon 23:26
get there in a minute. But 37 right? We pick up where we left off is when in the previous chapter, Pip had indicated that he now wanted to help establish Herbert right with his newfound like, actual allowance. I did look this up also 500 pounds at this time. Appears to be approximately something over $40,000 today. So it's like 40 some $1,000 US. Okay, yeah. Ha, Ah, okay, sorry, I had to just smush a giant spider that was crawling on my foot. Everything's fine. So that is where we're at. He wanted to talk to Mick about this thing, but he was talking to Mick at work. And so we know that at work we make is a different person than at home we make, so we make, sort of did indicate that, like his response might be different at home. So PIP went to his house to see what was
Collin Funkhouser 24:33
up. Yes,
Brandon 24:37
and we get the he's not he's out. And so PIP has to try to hang out with the aged for a bit, right, like, which is always fun. Doesn't remember that, doesn't he? He does, you know, it's a fun time. He's kind of like, he's trying to, you know, talk about, it's hard to talk about him because he's. Like, very deaf, but we do learn that fun side, fact, women kids fashioned a very exciting sort of mechanism to alert the age that when he's coming home, some sort of pulleys and levers, like drops out a plaque that has his name on it.
Collin Funkhouser 25:18
That's like, and how that happens and where it comes from. I'm like,
Brandon 25:25
It's a secret, though. It's known only to the aged and women and women's girl here, this Miss skiffins Lady, right? Like we're introduced to her. She apparently comes over a lot because she's very familiar with the place, and she does, like, make tea and like all this stuff, right? Yeah. But basically, this chapter, we kind of just get some things there. And we learned that basically, when I think this is not a bad idea. Really. It's like, this could be done. We can. He's like, I'll even, like, help you kind of set it up if you want, like, working behind the scenes to, like, make some of these things happen so that Herbert doesn't know that. Like, you're funding him well so and like setting him like he was gonna set him up with, like a another person, like hit him, like a job, actual job.
Collin Funkhouser 26:28
Well, yeah, that's what, that's what PIP comes to him with, saying, like, hey, and PIP is going my expectations have now, like, I feel like he would have been better off had he not met me. And so I want to make sure that my expectations actually are benefiting others instead of just like hurting them.
Brandon 26:49
Yes, which is noble. Somehow he came to this conclusion, even though he's been around all these people this whole time, so that's good, but he Yeah, so he wants to, like, do it sneakily, though. So it's like, Okay, I'm gonna not let him know that, you know, I kind of help push him into this job, and I'm gonna help kind of fund it in the background, but through, like, a third party situation. So that, like, very interesting. It is very interesting, right? Wimick kind of helps him come up with these ideas, right? Yeah. And like, the the functionality of it all, but yeah, Pip does somehow come to this conclusion, this is what should be done, and they decide to go for it, right? This is kind of what's happening here. Is that he decides that he wants to help out Herbert in his quest for business and so, right, really, let's see, where's the part? Yeah, the whole business was so cleverly managed that Herbert had not the least suspicion of my hand being in it. I shall never forget the radiant face with which he came home one afternoon and told me, as a mighty piece of news of his having fallen in with one Clark or whatever, which is the person with the merchant's guy's name, right? You know, just coincidentally, totally by accident,
Collin Funkhouser 28:14
yep, nothing, just nothing to see here. Keep moving, moving
Brandon 28:16
along so But day by day, his hopes grew stronger and his face brighter. He must have thought me a more and more affectionate friend, for I had the greatest difficulty in restraining my tears of triumph when I saw him so happy. So PIP did want some of this to go to be used for good, right? He's he decided that he wanted like, he decided that he wants to like fund something, right? He just got this money, and he's just like wasting it, right? I don't know if he came to this decision, because now he has like, a regular, steady, actual income, and he doesn't just have to, like, borrow money, when it runs out, go borrow more money, right? So, because he has like, this actual income stream. And because his life had no meaning, and he was just sort of like, frivolously throwing about his money, he wanted to, like, point it in a direction and try to do something. He does mention in here couple times that he also, you know, he he does want Herbert to do well. He does want his friend to be happy. He does want us to see a return on his investment, right? Yes, you know, like, not purely altruistic here, right? Like, not No, right? He's looking for that ROI, you know, you Oh, goodness, but that is basically 37 right? And then then we have Oh dear, oh dear. We have chapter 38 where we go back to see Miss Habersham, of course. Yay.
Collin Funkhouser 30:00
Yeah, everyone's everyone's favorite.
Brandon 30:03
Yeah, everyone's a person that they know. And we got this big interlude rap Estella, right, which is always the crux of everything weird, but right this time we see we get some like, it's weird, right? Like, she's very Estella is not doing well either, no, right? And she's she just is, like, at one point she's like, bro, when are you going to figure it out? Like, this is not a good situation that we're in, and it's going to be bad for you, right? Basically, she says you this is bad, right? Like she is basically acknowledging that she knows her situation is messed up, because Miss Haversham has, like, messed with her brain for so long, right? She's like, just, she's just like, man, you gotta stop. And he's like, ah, but I can't blah blah. She's like, Yo, you really should, yeah.
Collin Funkhouser 31:19
She's like, that's true with a cold, careless smile that always chilled me. Like, yeah, this is so fun for everybody,
Brandon 31:27
yeah, like, and so anyway they go to Miss habershams, there's this whole thing, but like, her and Miss hammershem, have, like, this weird fight, right where, yeah, it's so awkward because PIP is like sitting there listening, just trying to, like, blend into the chair
Collin Funkhouser 32:00
as, oh, as as a Stella and Habersham are having as, basically, Habersham is saying the same things that pips sister did. Yes, does she not? Right? It's very similar. Yes, I was getting that vibe, right, yeah. Like, not, not to the same extent or whatever, but, like,
Brandon 32:22
but it is, like, awful, right? Like, yeah, she doesn't say I brought you up by hand, but she's like, I raised you, and you should owe me blah, blah, blah. And Estella is like, Oh, you, what have you done to me?
Collin Funkhouser 32:32
Well, Estelle is very interesting, yeah, because she's like, why can't you give me what I gave you? And Estelle is like, what? I'm cold, I'm heartless, and blah, blah, and Miss Havisham is like love. I wanted you to give me love, and she's going that I don't have any of that you didn't give
Brandon 32:49
me, that like you didn't give me, that you didn't teach me, that you taught me to be spiteful and wicked and villainous, right? And like untrusting and manipulative. So why would you expect me to show any sort of affection towards you when you have never once shown it to me, right? But like in Miss habersham's twisted world, like just paying attention to you for a few minutes is like, quote, loving you, right? Yeah, she doesn't have, like, the emotional capacity because of her, like, she was in a relationship. This relationship she was in was, like, highly toxic and like, there was just red flags everywhere anyway, and then she was jilted at the altar, right? Which completely destroyed her completely skewed worldview about what love is anyway, right? Because she thinks that love is just like devotion. She means those are, like, the same thing, right? Like, that's all so, like, by paying attention to you, that's what she thinks that love is. And Stella's like, Yo, what is wrong with you? Which, yes, Stella, that is the correct response, right? Because she says love. And Estella says, you have my love. And Miss Havisham, I do not right? And she's like, you know, I have said that I owe you. Everything, all I possess is freely yours. All that you have given me is at your command to have again beyond that I have nothing, and if you ask me to give you what you never gave me, my gratitude and duty cannot do impossibilities.
Collin Funkhouser 34:36
Ouch, ouch, big, ouch. Yeah. I mean, she's basically, you know, she's just this whole conversation. And I know PIP has some realizations here too, of but from Estella, she's basically saying, like, I can't give you what I don't have and, but you can have everything that I have. Which is all, all this stuff. And it's interesting, because during this conversation, I think, I mean, do you get the sense that this is where it kind of finally clicks for PIP of what he sees, right? He sees all of these things going on. Because I think there was a moment in there where he was, like, in this moment I saw where was this? Maybe not, maybe early on in this conversation. Oh yeah, yeah. He said candles were lighted in that room, my thoughts passed into the great rooms. I saw it written as if it were in the cobwebs from the centerpiece, the crawlings of the spiders. It happened on the occasion of this visit where he's basically saying, like, I saw, I just kind of saw everything for as it was for, for this instance of what was going on here.
Brandon 35:56
Yeah, and it's, yeah, he's kind of discovering what's going on. And yeah, he kind of Yeah, like, he doesn't do anything about it. He he's been doing this for a while now. He like, realizes the situation, and like, he is already, like, emotionally damaged. And so he's like, he like, realizes the situation, and he realizes, like, this is bad and kind of toxic, but he's, he's just like, ah, but she's pretty though you're, like, You
Collin Funkhouser 36:27
were almost there, almost there, but Right?
Brandon 36:30
Like, with this whole thing that comes next, right? Like, they, Oh, right. They like, this weird, like, this chapter is all of a sudden, like, we have this weird thing where, like, you know, he finds out that Estella has been, like, courting around with, like, a bunch of other dudes also, specifically, specifically Drummle, right? Because, you know, Dremel is adult, and they're like, at the little lodge thing, whatever. And they're toasting to women, which, that's weird, but whatever. And he brings her up, and PIP is, like, incensed, right? And he wants to, like, smack him in his face with a glove, or whatever, I don't even know. And he's like, You have to prove that you know her. And it's his whole big thing about, like, estella's affection and all this stuff. And, like, he has to eat some crow because he's mad that she favored Drummle, right? And she's like, they're talking again after this, and she says, Pip, don't be foolish about its effect on you. You may have its effect. It may have its effect on others, and may be meant to have. It is not worth discussing, right? She's like, this is what Miss habership wanted, right? She wants me to be her like, revenge on the male species, right? And so this is what she told me to do. Don't really read too much into this, because it's just like being a flirt, right? Like whatever, and but he's still mad that she doesn't show him any favor, right? Even though he's like, clearly obsessed with her, and she gets mad at him because he calls her proud and inflexible, and she was like, me, me, you called me. That's funny, right? Which, yes, but there is a part here where she, like, turns at him and looks at him, right? And this was the part that I thought was like crazy, right? She's like, do you want me to deceive and entrap you? Is that what you want? Because she's basically saying, Look, I am playing a game with them. I'm being as honest as I possibly can with you. Yes. She's like, do you want to be part of the game? Trust me, the answer is no, right? And she says, he says, did you deceive and entrap him? Estella? And she says, Yes. And many others, all of them, but you, yeah, yeah. She's, she's being as real as she possibly can with him, like she is trying to not. She's trying, Yep, yeah. She's like, look, I don't know, we don't know why she's doing that, right? But, like, she is saying, like, yeah, it's a game. And I'm this is the game I'm supposed to play. It's part of my deal with Habersham, right? This is, like, part of her little compact or whatever, with, like, she would take care of me, blah, blah, give me the money. Blah. Whatever you help insure me, and then I have to do this for you in return, right? And she's basically saying, I do this to everybody, but I have never done it to you. And he, like, doesn't know how to deal with that, because, like, he wants her attention and affection, but like, he's also realizing that all the attention, affection that she's giving to all these other people is just like, completely fake, yes. And he's like, Well,
Brandon 40:33
yeah, whatever. So this, this is a bit of a port end here for things to come, because in chapter 39 The House of Cards comes tumbling down, and we have a what can only be described as a shocking revelation, shock, yeah, and PIP is really upset about at least, I don't know why, and we'll get into that, but, like, Okay, so anyway, two years later, right? We just
Collin Funkhouser 41:12
times jumped. Two years we have to, we just have to, yep,
Brandon 41:15
two years which I couldn't take any more chapters of, just like randomly wandering about and spending money on junk and yelling at trouble because I can't be bothered with him. But he's like, like, business is booming for old HERBIE, right? And so they have, they've moved rooms. They're in some other place, right at the Garden Court down by the river, right? So it's a little bit nicer, since Herbert has money now, Pip has his money now. So Herbert is out of town in France. He's in he took passage to Marseille, and it's a stormy It was a dark and stormy night because we do have to use
Collin Funkhouser 42:03
literary tradition, all of the traditions here
Brandon 42:05
as as storms and rain bring about a drastic change. Right as a storm brings change to the atmosphere, so too do literary storms bring change to the life of our character. The tropiest of tropes, not, not maybe, necessarily, when Dickens is writing this right, but we have a visitor, yeah, in the middle of the night, in a rainstorm,
Collin Funkhouser 42:35
surely what could go wrong? Yeah,
Brandon 42:37
right. And so he heard a rapping at his chamber door, rap, rapping. But it was not a raven, it was a man, right? He's like, again, in this again. I don't know what universe this is, but like, he's like, in the middle of the night, a strange man comes knocking on your door in a store, and he's like, I'm here to see PIP and PIP just like, yeah, sure, come in. Yes, no worries, bro.
Brandon 43:10
Anyway, this guy comes in, and he's sits down. Pip's looking at him, and he's like, who in the heck is this guy? What does this guy possibly want? Why is this man here in my house? And then he takes off his hat and pips jaw lands squarely upon the floor, because Collin, who is this man?
Collin Funkhouser 43:38
Oh, DOE. Oh man.
Collin Funkhouser 43:49
It's, you know, I don't know what I was expecting when this happened. It was very, I don't know, like, what is like? What did you think whenever he took off his hat?
Brandon 44:03
Yeah, this was very weird. I had to just sort of keep reading because I did not. I was like, Why, right? But then it all made sense very quickly. You know, at least the revelation was fast, right? It's, of course, the convict, right? The OG convict from chapter
Collin Funkhouser 44:26
one that we thought was dead, didn't we at some point? Yeah, we,
Brandon 44:31
you know, we don't really know what's happening here. You know, I relinquished the intention he had detected, for I knew him, even yet I could not recall a single feature, but I knew him. If the wind and the rain had driven away, the intervening years had scattered all the intervening objects had swept us to the churchyard where we first stood face to face on such different levels, I could not have known my convict more distinctly than I knew him now. File as he sat in the chair before the fire. No need to take the file from his pocket and show me, no need to take the handkerchief from his neck and twist it around his head. No need to hug himself with both his arms and take a shivering turn across the room looking back at me for recognition. I knew him before he gave me one of those aids, although a moment before, I had not been conscious of remotely suspecting his identity, right?
Collin Funkhouser 45:33
Yeah, he Yeah, like, basically, yeah. Like, it all was kind of making sense and putting pieces together there, like he had a faint sense of what was going on. But yeah, then yeah.
Brandon 45:48
So we learned that he went to our convicted guy here, went to America, right to the Americas somewhere, because he just says, away in the new world, that's kind of what we get. So we're not quite sure, but we are on an American continent somewhere, and he became like a sheep farmer, yes, a sheep farmer and stock breeder, right? And he, like, took in, some guy took him in, and then when he died, he passed on the whole operation to this guy. And, like, bang, right. He is apparently making money hand over fist as a sheep farmer. Second revelation, right? Where did that go? He's talking about stuff, and he's like, oh, yeah, you know, Oh right. He said he's asking, like, oh, you know. Might you know, you know where you're getting your money from. And he's like, I don't know, right? And he just starts like, he's like, concerning this guardian, he went on, there ought to be some guardian or such, like, whilst you was a minor, some lawyer, maybe the first letter of that lawyer's name. What is J?
Collin Funkhouser 47:27
Oh, man. And this next, I mean, you really get a his pips reaction to this, where he says, all the truth of my position came flashing on me. It's disappointments, dangers, disgraces, consequences of all kinds, rushed in such a multitude that I was born down by them and had to struggle for every breath I drew, because he's PIP has, I don't know, these great expectations and has been living for somewhere between three and 15 years, fair with, with what is what with, with this magical fairy land that he has built up In his mind, and it has all come crashing down. And part of this, part of this too, is his like, how much he has put himself through all of these things, like, yes,
Brandon 48:35
yes, yes. This is where, this is where I'm gonna get you right, because really pips out. Actual stated expectations have not changed at all, right? Because this guy says to him that he just wanted to make him into a gentleman, yeah, that's all it says. That's all he said, Yeah, right. He's like, I wanted to fund you in your pursuits. I want you to get schooling. I want you to learn. I wanted you to become a gentleman. This was the stated goal from the beginning, right? A lot of these other expectations, pivots put upon himself, right? And I, I I am annoyed that the source of the money bothers him so much. Yes, right, because he is thinking like this person is a convict. I don't even know what he did to be convicted in the first place. Although you could be convicted of many exciting things in Victorian England, like being poor or stealing bread, or, you know, a number of very unexciting crimes that would get you labeled a quote, unquote convict for a long amount of time, right? You have to like murder anybody you can just like you. To not pay a tax, and then, boom, jail got him like, yeah, not great environment to live in. So Pip, though, has decided that this person is as a convict is bad, yes, right, and we learned somehow that Miss Havisham is, quote, good what I don't get there? Yeah, doubt, doubt. And so he's very upset by the source of the money, right? And I don't know why, right? I guess because he had built this false world in his mind where he was being funded by Miss Havisham too, and like he was destined for all these things, and like he was destined to be with Estella. But like now, now this is all just like made up fluff, and some of that is just like coincidental nonsense, and doesn't matter, because he was being funded by somebody completely different in the first place. Indeed, either way, either way. Though, Pip did not put one drop of labor into this capital, right? Not one. He was gifted. The whole thing handed to on a platter, and he did this but his own, like choices, bad decisions greed led him to where he is now. It's not the money's fault necessarily. It's what PIP did and how he handled the situation, right? So he talks about how he's like, upset, right? And he's like, it's all for naught, right? He says that I would not have gone back to Joe now, I would not have gone back to Biddy now for any consideration, simply, I suppose, because my sense of my own worthless conduct to them was greater than every consideration right, because he thought that he was doing this for some big, grand plan for Miss Havisham, and he like discarded Joe and bitty, like the only people in his life that ever cared about him. And now he won't face them because he was discarding them for somebody else that was not Miss Havisham, like a person who may also suck, but like, Miss Havisham equally sucks, right? Like, she's not a good person. She doesn't, you know, contribute to society in a positive manner. She's not, like, at least this guy, like, like, again, this makes me mad because she Miss Havisham did not work for any of her money. She inherited it all from her family, and then, like, she just has it, like compound interest and all this stuff, right, where this dude, even though he does have a history of a convict, he went to the Americas, he worked hard, and he got a lot of money from his work, and now he wants to give his money to somebody else. And Pip's mad about that, yeah.
Collin Funkhouser 53:06
Well, what the heck and the intent here that he has over here, like you just see the extreme difference of this and of of the love that our convict here has for PIP because he said talks about how he's walking around over there in the colonies or whatever, and he's filling up the dust over me as I was walking. And what do I say? I says to myself, I'm making a better gentleman, nor ever you'll be when one of them says to another, he was a convict a convict a few years ago and is ignorant, common fellow, for all he's lucky. What do I say? I say this to myself, if I ain't a gentleman, nor yet, ain't got no learning all the owner of such like, basically, he's, he has such
Brandon 53:56
like, I mean, he's like, indebted to pip, because PIP did it.
Collin Funkhouser 53:59
So, yes, he didn't tell he helped them go, and now, like, this guy is out there being like, I'm gonna make that guy's life so amazing. I'm gonna reward him for helping
Brandon 54:11
me, right? And Pip's mad because he's an idiot. Like, that's why? Yeah,
Collin Funkhouser 54:25
yep, yeah.
Brandon 54:30
So annoying. I was angry when I read this. I was like, actually angry. Like, even more so than normal. Like, normally he's just like, doing something dumb. But he's like, actively, like, yes. Is it weird that the strange man shows up in your house in the middle of night and, like, Professors love to you, tries, like, kiss your hand and stuff? Yes, that's awkward. It's a little bit weird. I don't think I like that very much, but the fact that he is, like, actively pushing away from. Um, like, and is now, like, resentful of his windfall because it did not come from the source that he thought it was coming from. You could make a pretty strong argument that it's coming from a better, more sincere place than where he thought it was coming from, right? Like, yes, I don't know what he he made up all this Miss Havisham stuff by himself, right? He all of it 100% concocted, right, from his own mind. And so he has nobody believed himself. I mean, to be fair, he it's, it's not, it's not unlikely that he would come to that conclusion based on the terms of events and the timing of everything and all that stuff, right? But still, he's mad, right? And it just makes me really annoyed that he thinks that this guy's hard earned, hard won money is not as good as Miss havisham's Dirty old Trust Fund money, right? This is, like, partially a new money versus old money discussion, right? Where this guy has worked hard, he, like, got a little bit lucky, right? He fell in with the right time, you know, but he got a lot of money because he was, like, good at his like sheeping dough, yep, and PIP is mad because that money is apparently not green enough for him. He wants Misha versus crusty old wedding cake money, I don't even know like, it's so annoying because he didn't have to do anything to work for anything. Nope.
Collin Funkhouser 56:41
It just I but I think it's, I think part of that too is just the what he has put himself through over the last, again, between three and 15 years of torment, of like, I think that's definitely a big part of this is him looking back at decisions and sacrifices that he's made and going, oh, all of that was completely pointless. Like, 100% of the things and the pain that I had done and everything I had built up is now just a lie and and what's even more frustrating is that Pip was all the more free throughout all these like he could have been, he could have been so much freer of all this burden and everything. And yet he's like longing for the burden to be back. He's longing for the suffering to put himself through more of that in it's very, very twisted, but it's this, also this. Well, I'm sure there's some sunk cost fallacy in this, and there's also just this. Oh, but I that kind of sounded nice, and I'm, I don't, I don't know it's it's it. This is a very interesting,
Brandon 57:52
yeah, takeaway for PIV, it's very weird. Yeah. I'm very interested to see how what the next like, two, three chapters have like, because I want to see how he deals with this. And again, I think part of the biggest problem is he does touch on it briefly in this chapter, is that now he's, like, really ashamed and like he pushed, like I said, he pushed bitty and Joe away from him, yeah, for what? Yeah, right, that the one relationship that he, like, actually cared about with Joe, like, he like, ruined it by being a gentleman, right? So I don't even know if it's that, like, where the money came from at some point in this is, like, all of this stuff, all of these things I've been doing, like, I've lost Joe.
Collin Funkhouser 58:43
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. So, well, when we also learned that there's some danger associated with this too, because the convicts like that is true, he's like, Oh yeah, I'm still wanted. I am. I was there for death. Remember, remember that? So, like, hey, I need someplace to sleep, yeah?
Brandon 59:03
And so he's like, Okay, well, my buddy's gone, so you can sleep in his bed. He's like, all right, sweet. So, yeah, that also kind of ramps up a little bit that kind of messes with pith brain, because he's like, Oh, cool. Now we're in danger of from the law. Yeah.
Collin Funkhouser 59:23
Yeah, this, you know, all this stuff, and I think especially having the previous chapter leading right into this one of really speaks to that self torment that PIP has put himself in and and how, you know, and how, in one instance, you would think that there'd be some relief here of him being like, Oh, wow, I don't have to go through all that stuff. Great. Thanks. But then there is this, but look at everything I've had to do, like, like you said, of look at everything I've had to do and give up in order to be. Here, and I can't, I can't go back, I can't just forget all that stuff. Like, it didn't happen.
Brandon 1:00:09
Yeah, it's pretty Yeah. So, like I said, I'm very interested now to actually read at least the next few chapters, just to see what is Pip gonna do. Like, where do we go from here? Like, like, it felt like the book was building to something. This is not what I expected, but it's good, because now we actually have a thing. The status quo has been disrupted in some way. So I want to know what, how we're going to deal with this. Yeah, and conveniently, this is the end of the second stage of pips expectations,
Collin Funkhouser 1:00:42
yes, right, definitely have come to an end,
Brandon 1:00:46
yes, and so we'll see what happens. So we got, like, a third of this thing left roundabout. So will there be? I'm imagining there's not going to be a satisfying any to
Collin Funkhouser 1:00:58
this. No, like at all.
Brandon 1:01:02
Will it be not satisfying in a, like, a way I'm okay with, like, like, the Hemingway, or is it just gonna be like, Yo, what the heck?
Collin Funkhouser 1:01:13
Oh, definitely that 1000 calling it now. It's definitely now, calling it now. There's no way it's not well.
Brandon 1:01:25
We'll find out before too long, I guess so indeed, there we go. Yeah, there we go. Well to end get you off to bed so you can MC all live long day. Yes, do all the things, or do you have, of course, the Haiku, right? Probably no backstory and eating, probably metals glistening under the Italian snow, a bright golden glow.
Collin Funkhouser 1:02:11
Ma'am. Nice, nice. I like that. It's been I have enjoyed these and I have, did you get to watch any of the mountaineering?
Brandon 1:02:26
I did watch some of that. It was on this morning before I went to work. Yeah, that is a wacky sport
Collin Funkhouser 1:02:31
that was especially now because it's like, intensely snowing. Yeah, on the mountain, that was great. I was pretty great.
Brandon 1:02:39
I do like the amount of snowfall occurring. Yes, this is really stiff. And Susan's revolved about this, like, fictitious Italy move in the future. She's like, bro, no, we're going, oh, like, look at this snow.
Collin Funkhouser 1:02:52
Well, hey, now, okay, we really gonna start looking at villas, then
Brandon 1:02:56
ramp it up now. But yeah, yeah, that was an interesting event. I would like to see the longer version, because the show was, like, that's a lot of work for two minutes. Like, I don't
Collin Funkhouser 1:03:08
know, minutes? I was really thinking that this would be, like,
Brandon 1:03:13
a lot more. Yeah, that was the sprint. That was the sprint one, I don't know, still, it's a good idea, right? Can you make it longer? But, like, it was interesting. Yeah, interesting. I also though other event that I saw that was confused about was like, the, I don't know what's called, like, the double mogul thing, where, like that, who people went out at the same time. And it was like, yes, it was like a race, but not a race, but not a race, but a race. But yes, but no, yes, because that confused me a lot. Because, like, it is a race kind of but also your points, scoring on your jumps, really matters. So you do have to do like big jumps to get a lot of points. Because if you do like a small jump, just get down and go faster, you don't get as many points that you might points that you might win, but you might lose. I was very perplexed by that event, but like, well,
Collin Funkhouser 1:04:07
and every time I see anything that has to do with moguls, I just, like, gently massage my knees.
Brandon 1:04:13
I know all the all the announcers, like, it doesn't really hurt your knees. Like, lies. Okay.
Collin Funkhouser 1:04:19
So, yes, absolutely. Absolute lies,
Brandon 1:04:24
all right, but we can sum that up next time, as well as conference summary. But I'll let you go until you can get to bed for your your duties,
Collin Funkhouser 1:04:33
duties as assigned, oh yes, tomorrow,
Brandon 1:04:35
and maybe some that will be assigned tomorrow. I think there'll be some more, but okay, you better go to
Collin Funkhouser 1:04:43
bed on that bombshell. Oh, boy, I'll do this again. Okay, love you. Bye, bye. You.