No answers for anything
Aaron plays from Witcher. Brandon has long days. Collin has design issues. The first installment of Graphic design corner. Thank you Mike. So Sorry Mike. We end with some GREAT news….new Girl Scout Cookie!! We’re very excited.
Aaron plays some relaxing Witcher
LONG DAYS
Brandon can’t start until a set day
Virtual training for virtual training
Economics of online learning - sucks
I have no answers for anything
Collin has branding issues…. Thank you Mike… Sorry Mike.
The best good news story… Girl Scout’s new cookie…. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/us/french-toast-girl-scouts-cookie-trnd/index.html
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Welcome to
Collin 00:06
Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your hosts, Brandon, Coleman
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and Aaron
Collin 00:15
on this week's show no answers for anything
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Hello Hello. Oh hello.
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just sat down to
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play some
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relaxing Witcher and for that
Brandon 00:44
game I just want to throw that out there because in danger of being murdered by monsters and or having the anxiety of making the wrong story choice, not oh my gosh yes
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I cannot tell you how many times I've looked up on different storyboards be like am I making the right choice? What is this the best outcome for me and people are like it doesn't matter like and of course it matters
Brandon 01:13
to save people time so moment doesn't matter but right like I don't care about I just want to solve I just want to see what happens. Yeah story so I don't want to like ended too early because then you don't get to see the rest of it. Like ended weirdly because the diagnostic odd there was probably more digging. Yes
01:44
but no I literally got home like
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20 minutes ago maybe 30 minutes ago. I'm so
01:57
it has been extremely busy.
02:01
with, you know,
02:03
people go back and kids go back to school and for no more calls and things the first time in two weeks, I haven't gotten the case. So I'm actually slowly starting to catch on some stuff. But this week in particular, like Monday, I didn't get home until about like, 11 o'clock. Tuesday I got home at like, six when I got home at like, eight or something. So
Brandon 02:29
they're, they're piling up and just been one after the other, but time for some Witcher action. Ah, Susan, that's how she's been going to be getting home at 738 o'clock every day. Doing all that good stuff. So, yeah, I'm fine now We had a we've been doing a lot more meetings this week, right? But we had, we have a lot of like downtime. Like we just have to, you can just like work on stuff because last year, the state of Missouri passed some sort of law that was like No, you cannot start school until this day. Oh, right. Remember whatever. So that was cool. I'm glad that they care and can pass laws on that but not like other useful things. Thanks a lot guys. So like this time last year, I would this has been the end of my first week of school already was better. But no. Next week, next Tuesday's we start. So not all the time, right this last week. So it's just been in service in service aid service, talking about like, special education stuff and meeting with my learning team, right the science team and I talked to the social data team today and It's like all this random junk trying to get all those last minute deals done right. But we were supposed to have at some point this week a some sort of training on this online learning thing that we have now for any kids that are going virtual for the first quarter or right in in the case that we have to go virtual. We have this The school has bought or partnered with this company I guess they bought subscriptions I guess is that that's our it's actually a to this online learning. And they, they This is nobody at school. Trying to make that known if anybody at my school is listening to this. I know it's not you. Go for it. The company like apparently it was just like blowing everybody off. I have tomorrow off Okay, I was supposed to work Monday through Thursday. I called it on Tuesday, by the way. I'm gonna have to come in Friday for this nonsense. All right. I'm gonna have to be here Friday. I know it. So yesterday, find out. Oh, yeah, they, they're actually not gonna be able to meet with us until Friday. It's three o'clock. Friday from three to five. Okay. What? What? I know we're not a big school. So that puts us very low on the priority list because you're not getting as much of our money. Get jerk faces. But what the heck, man, three to five on a Friday, when we start school on Tuesday. What's the matter with you? Why do you suck so bad?
05:44
So like any any it program, it's like, oh, well, we'll be with you between 11 to 7pm.
Brandon 05:51
So it's fun part. Here's the fun part. They're not actually coming to our building anyway. It's like a virtual thing, right?
Collin 06:02
virtual training for virtual training.
Brandon 06:05
Yeah. But like, they don't even have to schedule a time to come down to see us. Do you still put us at three o'clock on Friday? Well, but I know that this is an unusually busy year for virtual learning providers. But also what the heck? We've known about this. We contracted with these people like a month ago. Okay. Great.
Collin 06:40
Particularly. Yeah, that's kind of they should have given it should have at least given you some better heads up as opposed to Yeah. You know, if they needed to change it, sure. Fine. Understand that but not.
Brandon 06:54
Yeah. So again, I know. Priorities is a small school. Who's not giving you very much money? low priority? customer? Right? Let's still come on. I also learned very many exciting things about the world of virtual learning. The Economics of virtual learning this week, because they were talking about the options. And some of them are like, like those ones you see on TV, right? Like, oh, free online school, right. You know, those ones? If you've watched TV in the past two months, you've seen 170,000 times. Yeah. Well, little Insider. Tip Urbino, I discovered, um, so, our free online education, not nothing. So the way that it works is like, just take our school for example, if we have a kid in our day stricted does that all the money that the state give the school per student? Right? So there's a certain based on student population and lots of other factors. The state allocates X number of dollars per student for the school. And that's where the state money comes into play for schools, right? Well, if that student goes to like an online thing, the school actually has to pay for it. So they just basically turn around and take that that dollar amount that comes from the state and they turn around and they throw it back out to this company.
08:48
Right? Like, all of it,
Brandon 08:52
which I thought was a bit insane, right. It's a huge it's almost all the money Which is interesting because, like I get it, they're now basically in your quote unquote, school. Right? But because they live in the district, the actual physical school still has to provide the student with special services. If they need them, or extracurricular services, they're still allowed to participate in those things. So, but all the money goes away, which is intriguing. The Super intriguing part is if that online schooling, deems that the student is not making adequate progress 100% of the bill reverse to the parents. Oh, and they're now on the hook for vapor. Yeah, yeah. I learned that new fact today. That was interesting. How are they even able to do that? I don't know. Basically, if they're not making adequate progress, they basically just like kickabout NZ. Yeah, sorry. And then the and then the school then. Yeah, the company determines it because they have teachers on staff and everything. Right. So they deem the that student is not making adequate progress, basically that they just build a parent instead. And somehow this is all very shady and very bizarre. So does that mean the school gets the money back? I don't really know how it works properly, they might defer payment till the end of the they might defer payment to the end of the semester. Right. It's, well, it's per year. So, like, X number of dollars per student per year is what a public school gets. Yeah. Like that. Yeah. Like that. If your student is not making whatever, what ever magical number that private institution deems in not adequate, which there's not really any way of telling what the number is. And because they're a private entity, they can just kind of make it up.
Collin 11:10
Oh, no, they can just say that it's proprietary. Right that this Yeah, probably territory calculations in our business. So we can't tell you Yeah,
Brandon 11:17
but I mean, basically, they could just make it up, right? Oh, yes. Oh, todos. Whatever mystical formula they devise, right? And then they just say, they just say, oh, parents are responsible now.
11:30
I don't understand. Sorry, they have that. Why they would even bother, like if they're getting any money from this idea.
Collin 11:38
Right. Like, I'd be more willing to just keep every student in there because the state is is going to pay me not every parent is going to be able to pay me that just seems like more headache.
Brandon 11:49
Yeah. I don't know. Like, I have no idea. So I was like, What am I kidding? So yeah, our superintendent was talking about that. And we're all like, what? Because the reason that we contracted with this other specific company, the one that is putting us off to the last minute, is there because it's like it's basically it's not a it's not like an online school like those other ones are. It's like a online learning provider, which is kind of different. So yeah, like, I have a student that goes virtual. I go to their website, use their resources, and send those to the student because they're already built for online. So the reason that we went with that was because it's significantly cheaper to do that. Right, right. We can just earmark money from the stuff and do that. But yeah, I was like kitty 100. Like the money to bill just goes to the parents. So if your kids like making a see you're
12:58
not gonna buy out Like, I really like, Gene really makes me angry.
Brandon 13:06
Yeah, I was really confused. Like, what on earth? Why do that? What, uh, what? I don't know, a lot more questions, but after learning those facts It was very like, wow those things are such a scam.
13:27
Sure.
Brandon 13:31
Ah, like that's my biased opinion as a public education person so that's what yeah, that's been my fun filled exciting week is not knowing what this magical thing is or how in the world I was supposed to use it or what the heck to do with it. I don't even know next week when school started
Collin 13:59
taking that option.
Brandon 14:01
Yes, so the board met last Monday, this Monday, I guess. And they approved the we had some students sign up for that. And they approved had to be approved by the board. Because we got paid for it, obviously. So whether or not they did and they prove bunch, not like a bunch, but like several so I think we had six or eight have one So, but that that I that means I don't I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that information now. Because the biggest problem is like so we don't, we don't have access to this website yet. Right. Um, but the administrators do because they got training you Like, last night, I guess, basically, yesterday evening or something, the administrators got some training on it, but the staff doesn't have access to it. So like, all I can do is go to their like homepage and look at the like, preview thingy, which is super unhelpful for me. But I can look at their course, like pacing guide, kinda, which is just a basically a topic list of how each course breaks down. And that they don't um, they don't they don't match mine. When I have them they do normally. Yep. So this is because the they're they're based on the state of Missouri guidelines, right? That's fine. So are mine. But I have met with like, the fifth grade, and the seventh and eighth grade teachers and we've kind of developed a sequence that we put the standards in. Right? So you can take these standards, and you can put them in really whatever order you want as long as you get, you know what I mean? Yeah, so our sequence for just we'll take this, like, what would normally be considered Middle School, like 678, like the way that our school has developed that with me, and the seventh eighth grade science teacher is different than what this thing is. So like, I don't know how to change that. Because a lot of stuff in the sixth grade is actually stuff that she teaches because it fits better with what she does. Because she does a lot of the like, physics things, you know, and then she uses like space to kind of bring it all together, right? Because that's, that makes sense to me. You're talking about motion and forces and temperatures and all that stuff. He does the space unit where I do a lot of like Earth Science. Like, you know, plate tectonics weather systems. There are a little bit of ecology in there. That that's not what this thing has. They have like my whole, like the sixth grade, it's their whole first semester is like space based, which is not helpful for me. So I need to know how much of this I can grab from other things and just pull around, but I have no idea. school starts Tuesday. Wow. Well, people always also don't have questions like last minute. I mean, yeah, I don't care but like other people are gonna be Well, I mean, I kind of cared because like I'm responsible for putting these grades in. And I, I don't have a place to do that. Like my gradebook is Like geared and set up for all the students that will be seated in my class. So all those grades do not match whatever the virtual kids are going to be doing. So I need to know what to do with the grades. I'm giving the virtual Where do I put? Where does it go? I count that. There's no place in my grade system currently, but that'd be
18:34
Yeah, it's exciting.
Brandon 18:39
I have no answers for anything. As a bunch of questions yesterday, and I got from like the principal. We don't know like, Oh, okay.
18:55
Cool, cool. Yeah. Great.
18:59
To be in
Brandon 19:01
Like, is there online support for non English speakers? We don't know. Oh, okay. Oh, geez. Like, you know, or what about online support for special education?
19:19
Nope. Oh, okay.
19:25
Sure. Yeah.
Collin 19:30
So, okay. Well, I mean, I guess hopefully it's, um, I mean, hopefully you're in a better position than you were at the end of last semester.
Brandon 19:40
I mean, yes. Because allegedly, there's things that I can just like, give them Yeah, right. Right. But again, I have questions about pacing. Like, to what extent is whatever is on this thing needs to match my seated kids are doing in case you know, at Christmas time, you know, let's say in January The online students come back because that's that's option. So to what extent am I responsible for keeping the pacing relatively similar? Right? What that pacing then gets thrown off if I have online students doing something and then let's just say my seated students have to we have let's just pretend I had to go virtual for a month. Right. There goes my pacing my bike, what does that do? For everything? Yeah.
Collin 20:35
Yeah, sure. Consistent experiences. Yeah.
Brandon 20:39
Are these relatively because I know to be different, but like, why do we, what do we do? How much of that do I do? Or even more confusingly, let's pretend we go on. We have to be out for two weeks. And then a month later, we have to be right? These, either the amount of breaks we end up having to take or the duration of these breaks is really going to affect the pacing and the like the sequence of
21:12
what's happening. And
Brandon 21:17
so I don't have answer
Collin 21:20
shocking,
Brandon 21:21
and I just don't want to get yelled at mostly so I don't
Collin 21:27
yell at me.
Brandon 21:29
I'm just, I'm just here. I'm no. Yeah. So that's been my week. really finding confusing Megan and I are
Collin 22:11
trying to rebrand our petsitting thing. Oh, and you want to talk about confusing and like, really hurts my brain like it genuinely genuinely. We don't we have to
Brandon 22:30
first of all, I guess why?
Collin 22:33
Well, we're trying to we're moving to making a website and doing some promotions here in town
22:42
and
Collin 22:44
wanting to have a little bit more just visual presence amongst our, our existing clients. And so we need something like we've we haven't had anything really I mean, we've really gotten by on just like, purely word of mouth is not really what we've done, right? So we're trying to make this push. And so we're starting from nothing. And it's like, I, my brain does not work, like in this at all is this creating a visual representation of a feeling and emotion and to represent the type of clients that we want, like
Brandon 23:26
I write, so not think that way at all. So I have your solution, go on Fiverr and you get a graphic design.
Collin 23:36
So Well, no, but here's the problem. Here's the problem. So I did look at Fiverr and many of them were like, I'll do two revisions. I'll do three revisions. Yeah,
23:45
that's That's true. That's true. And I'm like,
Collin 23:48
I'm like, No, no, I don't think you understand
Brandon 23:50
how Yeah, this is college.
Collin 23:55
How much pain I am going to be for you. So, like, so, I mean, it's to the point where we were like, What colors do we want? And then you watch these branding things. And they're, yeah, so they go, Well, what kind of clients do you do you want? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, why does what does it have to do?
Brandon 24:19
I have no clients with cars with dogs. I mean,
Collin 24:23
firstly, like so anyway, so we narrowed that down to like, like we want, we want more affluent clients. We want people that want a sense of family and things like this, but what we did all those stupid like word association things, and then they're like, what kind of feelings Do you want your clients to have? And I'm like, security, like their dog's happiness, right? Like, so we wandered in the woods, and then we broke down and bought this thing. It's called brand in a brand in a box and it walks you through all of those questions and it takes you it helps you Take these words in it, then it starts matching those with color palettes.
Brandon 25:04
Right. Oh by and right, it's out it has gone to the local college and be like, yo, you're going to graphic design zooms up in here I need Dr. Mike just barely showed me up guys.
Collin 25:16
You know, it's like it's a whole thing for branding because they're like you need at least five to six colors one grounding color. Next call to action color and like you need these one is a call to action color. It's the color. It's the color that you the only time you use it is when you're trying to draw attention to things like buy now or sale or urgent. Last minute record. I
Brandon 25:39
would like to inform you that McDonald's has two colors. Yeah. Yeah.
25:47
I know. And here's the thing too, if like
Collin 25:50
I am, we are friends with people in the pet sitting business and a guy started 10 years ago literally got on to word and like it's a black background. With a white outline of a dog with a leash on it, and he's called Dan's dog walking, and he gets he now is simple direct.
Brandon 26:09
Yeah. And so beautifully on a T shirt. Right? Yeah. Yeah, think about printing costs, right? I think that many colors, what
Collin 26:16
drives your color guide your cost up. But see, like logo colors are not the same thing as brand colors and brand. fonts are not the same thing as logo fonts. And that's the other thing too, is that we start to get into the fonts. And I just, I do not I have nothing to give to any of this. And it's very frustrating to Megan, because she's like wanting to get this done. She's like, let's be snappy. Let's be snappy. Let's get this done. And I'm like, you want me to be able to pick up the
Brandon 26:43
font Like what?
Collin 26:45
I have used Arial and Times New Roman for the past million years that I've been writing the Roman it is. Yeah, perfectly. Of course. They're like no, no type Roman. You can't do that.
Brandon 26:55
And so times Roman it says dependable right boy That's what it is. It's a it's a workhorse, traditional, dependable, that's a good idea. Here's
Collin 27:05
the thing. Here's the thing is that one of the exercises that they had to do was like describe like, if your business was a home,
27:13
what kind
Collin 27:15
of I just followed? What kind of styling would it would the home be? Because what they're trying to do is they're trying to get you to use certain keywords
Brandon 27:26
that are really great. So that makes sense if you think about like decor rise here that doing decor color palettes. Like exactly they're trying to get back to that statement is like
27:40
that's like, what did I tell you guys like when the state
Brandon 27:43
Victoria
Collin 27:45
was like when our town was like, if our mind would be like her Winchester house that would be like with our town is going through a rebranding and they're like if our
Brandon 27:54
town Oh, yeah, it was last week. Last week's episode.
Collin 27:56
Yeah. So here's this rebranding stuff coming up again. Anyway. I so
Brandon 28:01
and then I'm having to get started here. And that's why
Collin 28:04
that's been going on for a long time. And I just because I'm like I want upscale, I want them to think of like a luxury service of like the value that we're providing here of like very personable, very one on one. And I told Megan, when we're going through his color palettes, I was like, I guarantee you, I guarantee you in those color palettes, because we were talking about like sophisticated luxury, black and white and gray, black, white and gold and red. Like I was like a golden red boy. Well, I told her I because there were a couple different color palettes that match this. I was like, I guarantee you there's going to be read a gold in a black somewhere amongst these three that you're picking. He got really quiet. And she was like, Is that like a bad thing? And I was
28:50
like, No, I can't. Not doing gold and black. Just because I said luxury. That's soap. Oh vomit.
Brandon 29:00
So, as a person who's currently wearing a T shirt from the school they work at it's black and gold. I take great offense to this hoity toity attitude you're taking here.
29:12
I am saying it because it's linked to the words luxury
Brandon 29:16
saying look like it like I said, that really like flourish script font, right is that it is a luxury.
Collin 29:27
So then Megan was like, fine. She started to get really angry at this point. She's like, fine. Here's the entire color palette, scroll through. And I was like, Oh, no, I could, you did not need to do this to me, because there's like 80 pages of color palettes. And like half of them are like just one tiny shade from each other. Some of them are like, some of them are more muted. Some of them are bright and vibrant, some of our, you know, whatever. And I'm just like, I'm looking at these and I'm like, Well, now all of a sudden what I start to do is start to pick the colors that I like. But not necessarily don't really resent that clients and feelings and emotions. As you know, I immediately go to where's the ones that are basically all like shades of gray. That's what I want, I want all muted, I want change. That's not very exciting, not very exciting and maybe it was like you've got, like, we're the blues and tans
30:21
in brown
Collin 30:23
shoes, or greens. We went through, we went through all of this and, and, and finally picked on something that like we kind of liked. And I'll send that to you now that the listeners are going to have to just ignore this this segment. But we pick these and then I we hired a graphic designer, he's from England to to start sending us stuff and he was like, okay, like, how would you describe? Yes, for he has five questions. He's like, what's the name of your business and we were like it's funky bunch of pack. He's like, what do you do? Like, provide pet services? Dog Boarding petsitting daycare? Like, do you have an old logo? And we're like, nope. He's like, do you have a tagline? Nope. And he was like, what elements Do you want in it in my first reaction was like, that's why I hired you to put elements
Brandon 31:18
in this. I don't know. He's just gonna design in so I can look nice. He's got
Collin 31:24
so I was like, maybe a dog in a house and cat like in a house since we do like more like house stuff. But like really nice, clean and modern, not not overly detailed, or and like, not animated. And that's all I told him. And he responded with Wow, that's been that was the shortest response I've gotten from anybody. And I'm like, Oh, no, this is bad. This is really bad. Because then he sent this
Brandon 31:54
and this is I'm texting this to you guys. Yes, I yes. I imagine that. Did you get the that's a talent a color palette? Yeah that's um so that's this looks like a makeup color palette. This is a this is an evening makeup color palette that the listeners listeners we have a we have a hold on okay there's like a light it's like a darkish blue a very light green teal almost like a mob and then a kind of a dark Maroon so this is like an evening I it is an evening I don't judge me I know I know Aaron's judging me right now because I say these words but
Collin 32:36
see the words here though. Like the style like we're trying to come off as like sophisticated like not luxury. I gave up on luxury because this this branding packet that we did everything that had luxury had freaking gold in it. And I was like, No, I'm not doing us a
Brandon 32:51
script font, right? That would be low. That's luxurious. Okay listen
32:59
II We'll say in the other image he sent us the top two icons are definitely from almost like every single like vet clinic
Brandon 33:11
yes that's true especially the top left one.
Collin 33:14
Yeah, it's always single pet care has a dog and a cat and a freaking heart every single one of these don't have
Brandon 33:26
to you know
Collin 33:28
the bottom of the chain and has to are right out because he split the name it's funky, funky pet bunch care in the house in the middle.
Brandon 33:40
No, thank you. No, thank you. You know what I'm you know what? I never the meme. But the cat lady yelling each other.
Collin 33:48
Right? I don't want to be in that meme. Why would you I got so like, I just I saw red when I saw this. I was so angry. And Megan was like, Well, you didn't we didn't tell him a whole lot. I was like, I get that. I get I understand, but now I have to come to him and I see because he responded and he was like, Tom, would you like Tell me what you don't like? And I was like, Oh, no. Like, I was like, I don't like I genuinely don't like anything about any of these like, I don't I don't like the house styling. I don't like the cats, the dog and cat. The the two dogs at the bottom kind of look like male reproductive organs. Like, wow, the dog and cat aren't even centered inside the house. It's not like, yeah, that's because they're cozying up to each other all the time being tell that those are hat those are house. It's kind of like a weird Pentagon thing going on. They're like no hearts. I don't like that the font is all lowercase. all lowercase. I don't like that the font is matching. I need two different fonts here to spice things up not just one bold and one thing I don't really like the fact that the dogs and cats Also match the color of the text. We need different colors here. But the two houses, they're pretty bland and boring. They're non descriptive. Sure, like they're simple, but they're not necessarily eye catching. Because it's all just a straight line. Nothing here screams exquisite or worthy or sophisticated. This is just simple. That's all this is. So I have to now to put this in an email.
35:32
You know, and I think I think
Collin 35:35
Megan really wants to punch me at this point. Because she was like, what, what do you want? And I was like,
Brandon 35:41
I can see that I can see. Like,
35:44
okay, like, okay, don't like the house. I need to tell him something I do want. Well,
Brandon 35:48
I can do some sketching. should look into pictures of houses my drawing. I said sketching No, no, no, no. I I just They go, here's a picture whenever you were talking about this is the first thing I thought of Hey, Gary, welcome. I think
36:04
Collin should at least utilize the tools that are recognizable to him, which, in the first time thinking about it is definitely 100%. Correct. That's true. That's true. Here's
Collin 36:20
the problem. Do I just do so Okay, so we do, I really need to do I need to send that to them. I was like, This is what we need. We need some Soviet space. So they go, I just
Brandon 36:30
he was talking about posters and colors and the first thing that popped into my head or Soviet propaganda posters, so I just Aaron, it should be coming here in a minute. I just said, okay, it's the Soviet space dogs poster. So we'll look at those both colors red, and more red and green.
Collin 36:57
Here's the problem. Okay. Okay. So I tell him We have a doxon. Now, do I want to use a profile view of the doxon? Do I just want to use head? Do I didn't want it to be around logo or stick with a square logo? Do I want to be colored? Do I just want to be solid? Do I want it to show eyes? How much detail Do you want it to be? Hey, here's what you want.
Brandon 37:15
You want it to be a silhouette of a doxon. The head on the left side? The tail on the right side. It can be slightly cartoonishly long, and you can have your name inside the silhouette of the dog.
37:33
Yes to be long. I know and in today's day the people's pet care service they
Brandon 37:44
do it i mean maybe like a little bit inside and then some below right? Yeah, like the pet care service part on the bottom. And then the ducks in the middle with like the funky thing in the middle. Yeah. Oh yeah. That'd be great. Oh, see? I don't Got you.
Collin 38:00
I know, I know. And then I'm trying to, I kind of like I kind of liked the funky bunch of pet care, the funky bunch being a different weight, like different size and the pet care. And if you go in around if you go in a circle, it has to be all the same weight, right? You can't have but that's why
Brandon 38:16
that's why in inside the docks and it says, funky bunch, and then underneath in a script font here because that's elegant, like a doxon. regal. Right? woody wants that. But then, like the tail like pointing up, said add that balance set aside. here's,
Collin 38:39
here's also the problem like, yes, we predominantly do daycares and warnings for dogs, but we do take care of cats. So I don't want to exclude cat owners that see a dog bite it just, you know, subconsciously say, Okay, well, they don't have a cat there. So take care of cats. I don't want that to happen. But then I go well did I also don't want to have to include a bird In the hamster in a snake and crickets, and we know whatever to just try and lump everybody and crickets, that's what they should just be only crickets. Giant fricative a cricket colony that you need help taking care of first. Secondly, no, but here's my logo. It's a cricket. My only service is to walk in and go you need help and then I walk out
Brandon 39:23
this Okay, yep, there's still cricket okay by
Collin 39:27
so I, I'm really trying to like not, not drag this on into forever.
39:35
But I am gorging.
Collin 39:37
I'm praying. No, it's not working. I'm very worried that like, I'm never I'm not going to like anything that he said. So I'm really trying to work on my descriptive words and like, but I also don't want to send him logos that I also like, because I don't want to copy people. So like I have been trying to look at other people, other logos of people. I like it. And it's tough because I really, really, really like, just as simple as simple as possible. And at some point, I'm like, I don't even want a dog, cat, or anything in there. I just want funky bunch of pet care to be in a different script,
40:15
and be done with it.
Collin 40:17
But then I'm Mike, but it also needs to have more recognition. So I don't know, I go, I go down these paths. And
40:27
I'm not good at this.
Collin 40:30
And, and, Mike, if you're listening, thank you so much for all the hard work that you're doing on this logo. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate it. Because I have no skill in any of this whatsoever. And you're finding out the hard way and having to deal with me in my edit. So thank you. Thank you, and sorry.
Brandon 40:47
I like the doxon logo. I think it'd be dope. I'm gonna sketch that out for you. I'm gonna see if I can do that. Maybe
40:54
something maybe that'll maybe that'll help them. Oh, maybe read some of some of Colin's you know
Brandon 41:01
80 years. Yes, yes. Oh my god. Aaron, can you've done it? No, this is perfect. I'm so I'm so impressed right now. I can't.
41:21
I can't. I tried to think of the most obscure thing to type. And so my Google Search History somewhere it says communist doctrine and that.
41:32
All right.
Brandon 41:35
If the meme Gods allow for maybe, listeners, I'm going to describe this to you. I would like you to imagine the most Soviet thing you could think of. Yes, it's red and gold. There is a doxon with a rising sun behind it. At the bottom there is the raised Soviet fist, one of which is clutching a dog bone.
41:59
That's the best part.
Brandon 42:01
My favorite part is the people's pets.
42:05
Obey the doxon
Brandon 42:09
elements so much and there's a little star, little Soviet star with the dog print it. Yeah, I
42:16
didn't I typed it into Google and I was not disappointed. Okay.
42:22
Oh makovski
42:27
British. Oh, no.
Brandon 42:30
I like it.
Collin 42:33
But just the other thing too of like, I don't want I don't want pawprints because pawprints are also everywhere.
Brandon 42:40
In the pet industry, sorry. But like, I know that
Collin 42:45
everybody has pawprints everybody has a, you know, a dog and cat silhouette in a heart like I don't. And then I but I do also don't want to be because they were like, some people were like, Well, you know, we had somebody illustrate us To be too, oh dear to you know drew cartoons of us with our
Brandon 43:08
caricature of colleague
Collin 43:11
of Collin and Megan. And I was like, Nope, not doing that. Because, you know, he talked about printing costs, you can talk about level of detail. It's true also trying to think of something that can scale from a social media icon and somebody's phone up to billboard, a billboard. Right? That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to think of something that can scale that and when you start getting into more of like the immobilien kind of thing, yeah, very ornate with lots of with lots of scripts and text and lines and things like that, like that does not scale small. And mostly people are going to see things small on their phones true. So it needs to be as clean and simple and as straightforward as possible. But also being distinguished from other things. Now, these are all words that mean things. I have No bloomin idea how it translates to actually creating something. So that's where this gets hard is.
Brandon 44:06
So it sounds like it sounds like you need to just stare at a like mid century modern Bauhaus things. Right? Because that's what you want. Right? That's what you that's the design aesthetic that you get a guide for, right mid century modern Bauhaus. Right? No, I'm not saying and then using to stare at those to try to figure out how to combine those simplistic design elements into the words
Collin 44:38
Yeah, I'll just start sending him some like some mid century modern chairs like pictures like hair spot
Brandon 44:43
can use this for it's perfect. Like the 1960s business logos like those, you know. There's like anything Swedish from that time, right?
Collin 44:57
Yeah, unfortunately they tell us To go to IKEA and then just
Brandon 45:04
sending the IKEA catalog.
Collin 45:05
Yeah, well so this is this is part of as we're going to this we've we're in a lot of these branding groups and branding classes and they have you create I'm not I am not doing this but like probably will have to at some point of creating branding guidelines as part of your brand brand mood board where you take your you take the words that you've used to describe your client and and like they don't just want like,
45:36
like, like woman
Collin 45:40
in suburban mom like they don't want that they want you to say like well just like we never talked here when they would read the who drives this car right that Oh
Brandon 45:49
yeah,
Collin 45:50
that's the level they want of this person is a suburban mom who who drives We're ish, Ford's SUVs, she has two kids, she shops at Target, she listens to whatever kind of like that's what they want you to do. And then they want you to find pictures that match that, and the feeling words that you use to describe so that anytime you create an image or a meme or something like that, you can put it next to these things and go does this fit in with the rest of these pictures? If it doesn't, I throw it away. And I tried something new. And I do it go from there. Because
46:35
it's that's insanity
Collin 46:37
so much, but that's what people do. They get brand brand consistency. So anyway, what I need to do is effectively just say, oh, and here's the other thing that they that you don't want to do. They they they tell you is don't do what you like, right? They don't want you to do something you like they want you to cry. Create what your customers are going to like, which is very hard for me because I have a very particular taste and style that I want to come through here that doesn't really match. So it's very hard for me to do that. And then they don't want you to do things that are, quote unquote trendy. So if anything is new, or on the upswing right now, they don't they don't want you to do that because you're just gonna have to rebrand
Brandon 47:30
later. So that's true, right? You have to be right.
Collin 47:36
To do this, like, timeless
Brandon 47:39
thing, and I just, that's why I've just sent us a collage of 1970 Scandinavian logos. You're welcome. Okay.
47:50
I'm sure. I'm sure that'll be great.
Collin 47:53
And helpful me, Megan will be very upsee like,
Brandon 47:57
yeah, like these guys, but like, so some of the Let's see you thought I was full of garbage. Look at that. No, I am. So. So
Collin 48:08
all of the things described in here as, except for the things that Mike has been so wonderfully Thank you, Mike so much for working on for me and Megan are not going to be included. But the things that Brian and Aaron have been sending will be in the show notes. So you
48:19
can check that out. Oh, brother podcast.com
Collin 48:23
slash whatever title this episode is going to be. But so that's another decision that we have to make of, do you just want an actual picture, you know, like a Starbucks logo, or something like that, or do you want to have the name of your company in there because that's two very different things. Some of these is just sent me I don't have the actual name of the company in them. It's it's a true, it's a true logo at that point logo. Yeah. I kind of like having the name there. Because then you can have both in some things and then just pull out a A portion of the logo to use elsewhere.
Brandon 49:04
But, you know, just
49:10
where do you want one of those things where it's just so like out of left field. People have to like, they see the image and then they like Google it. And they're like, Oh, this is a pet sitting company.
Brandon 49:19
So no, they're just so intrigued by what's happening. terrified.
49:28
Oh,
Collin 49:29
yeah, I'm gonna send you like, cuz like, this is what we're trying to like, this is what I'm still hung up on. This is a wonderful This is this all this makes for wonderful podcasting. I was talking about visual.
Brandon 49:41
All these images. Yeah. Sorry, listeners. It is a failure. Yeah,
Collin 49:48
we you know, anyway, but so, so the basics seven but listeners you
Brandon 49:54
can you can follow along with me right now. I'm currently googling mid century modern posters. And just Looking at all of the excitement that is happening on my phone right now I can't even contain myself It's so good. There's a cat in an egg chair with one of those weird floor lamps next to it I think that'd just be Collins logo I think it was gonna give him that
Collin 50:14
can we reuse that will real restyle
Brandon 50:18
love it anyway Collin is now going to be talking about like the logos that we are familiar with like Nike CNN.
Collin 50:27
Yeah, so so Disney Olympics known as Disney's new what's known as a word mark where the word itself has been stylized to to look different and to be the actual brand. CNN is what they term a letter mark where the it's just letters But again, it's those two are kind of related. A notation from this is Nike This is a combination mark where it has the brand name plus a symbol symbol. Then you get into the the emblem like a like you know, think that like Well, in this example here, like Harvard, like that's an like a true emblem, and just the detail, it's very ornate. And you get into the mascot or pictorial marks where it's just an an image or a drawing. Yeah. And then an abstract mark. The best example this I really like this one was the Olympics where the rings don't mean Olympics, right? They're just, it's just it's come to mean that it's come to me, it's something that they've used.
51:33
And so
Collin 51:35
we know, we've I like more of the combination, Mark, but then I'm like, but I don't know what Mark would look like. Yeah, I don't know. So that's the other thing of like, I don't want to have to tell Mike, thank you so much, Mike. You're wonderful. Mike. Can you make me seven different
51:53
versions,
Collin 51:54
following each one of these? Because I don't know what I don't know what a Doc's in toril Mark would look different than a doxon combination Mark versus a word Mark like
52:04
I don't I
Collin 52:06
don't know. I don't know. I will probably hate most of them but I can't
52:14
I lack the creativity and brain space to create them to think ahead of time to think of what you are going to come up with.
Collin 52:23
Just Oh, I cannot stand this. Oh, I'm so frustrated.
Brandon 52:37
Oh, so bad. So anyway I think the best like okay for for real solution. Incoming. Okay, ready? Hey guys. Yeah, real live solution. Not necessarily solution, but something that might help is like actually Just want to copy things, but just save pictures of design elements that you do like and that the things that you are drawn towards right? Instead of save those, and then just kind of look at them together, either in a slideshow or if you want to go really insane you could print them out and hang them on your wall and make a little mood room. Right? But like no Yeah. But that way you can start to break down and visualize.
53:34
Okay, well I like
Brandon 53:37
you know, do you like even something is basic is do I want Angular design? Or do I want more rounded design? Which do i think is more appealing in this style that I want? Right? Do I want hard contrast colors? Do I want soft contrast colors? Right? Do you want like a hard contrast? Like like black Why do you want like a, you know, a softer used car? It's like an orange and a yellow or a blue and a purple or something like that. Right, those basic elements and then go from there. Because, you know, Yes, I understand that there are many cliche things in the pet industry. But the reason that they're there is because they signify the pet industry. Right? So like, I know that because I'm the same way with a lot of stuff like oh my gosh, you know, you think about things like the pawprint the dogbone blah, blah, blah, boring. Okay, well, what else can you What else is there that signifies the pet industry, but is different. Right, what's outside the box of those standard three things? You know, what about like, like to some sort of pet collars That was kind of more neutral with either dog or cat.
Collin 55:02
So hold on one big one collars from, are they just circles? Are they? They would be?
Brandon 55:10
Are they? I would say, Well, I would say it would be like a, I can't think of the word right now cuz my brain has not officially turned on to like school mode. But like, yes, like a like a ring shape. But then you have like a pet tag hanging off. Right? You know what I mean? Yeah, so be like an outline. And then there would be like the little D link with a some sort of thing hanging off of it. Just a little bubble like a circle to me.
Collin 55:42
Or something with that is that that to me signifies again, see, here's the problem. Here's about me that I just put it there. Here's the problem me It's fair to that to that. Find that that's more like, like walking,
55:55
we do some walks, but we prefer not to do them. So I don't want to
Brandon 56:00
out there that we do walks. Well, let's see. Okay, so here's the thing your, your for your particular business and your logo needs a house just does because you pet sit in a house. Right? That's what you do. So it can be like the logo that he had just that little that outline thing. You could do a different one, a different shape of a house or whatever. But because your business is synonymous with pet sitting and occasionally house sitting, there needs to be a house just does. Right now, you don't have to put the pets in it. Maybe you could just say like, funky bunch pet care, like house thing in the background. But it does sort of doing what you do. Like it could be cliche You might like it. You could make it more interesting somehow. But that is what you do though. Right? Like, I know, you bring pets to your house or you go to their house. Yeah. So you've come up with like a cool house shape. Right, like some sort of like Frank Lloyd Wright thing or something. You know, that's that. I think that was
Collin 57:27
where I got really disappointed in that in that the the house itself, I think I need to focus on that and try and make that house
Brandon 57:36
because on that house outline shape, because
Collin 57:38
I don't want it to just be I don't want to be so simple. Like, I'm using that word to mean.
Brandon 57:47
Yeah, I know. It sounds like what you're saying is I want a simple design, but not too simple, which is a really confusing sentence to tell a graphic artist like
Collin 58:00
Yeah, I guess I need to say this like, I don't want. Like, I think for me, I genuinely want something that I could not create on my own when I got back
58:08
his Word Art to me,
Collin 58:11
right? Like, I can like, no knock against that because part of design is just taking pre existing elements and combine them in new and interesting ways that nobody's thought of before. That's just part of it. But I don't, I don't want. I don't want that. I don't because like I told I pulled up as we got these, I actually pulled up on things that I had made on my own over the past couple of weeks in this app called Canva. And I got really dang close to what he said, which really, I think really angered me. Yeah, because it was like, I already thought of that and then wiped it away. And then it because I was like, well, I if I did, I just I'm going to know it when I see it, which is really frustrating because in order to do that, I have to go through multiple iterations. To get to that, which literally nobody likes, like, nobody likes to work with the person that goes, What if, like, what if you do it again? Right, right, right. It just goes on. I actually don't have the mental capacity to to envision what would that what if I would like this? If the dog was green, I need you to make the dog green and then send it back to me and then me respond with actually, it wasn't the color of the dog. It turns out it was the the shade of the house. I think if we didn't Yeah, differently, and then they'd give that back and go, okay, it actually wasn't the shade of the house. what it was was the line thickness. The
59:34
lighthouse is like,
Collin 59:36
I am really trying to push to keep that off.
Brandon 59:40
But I have
Collin 59:42
I just feel myself slipping off that cliff going like really becoming that person and I don't want to so at some point, I have it in my brain. I'm just going to have to say yes to something whether I like it or not just to make this top.
Brandon 59:56
I think a second for real idea. Okay, so you don't like the fact that logo is separated? Yes. Right number one. Okay. So I think if you do that, I think you should do the whole logo on the bottom. Now, I do like the different font weight idea. So like, either, you know, funky bonds or pet care or something, put those in different fonts, but they do need to be like, one on top of the other. But then on the top. The house outline needs to be like a funky shaped looking house, something that's identifiable as a house, but something that's like a little out there. Something like a 16 or 17 design house, but it's also that way, it's also longer. Yeah, right. So you're not adding verticality to that logo. You're just keeping it longer, because like funky bunch, not a short no phrase, especially if you do that particular font large, right? If you do it kind of blocky, that can be long, so the house on top of it needs to be long. So I'm thinking something like, you know, the roof is slanted in a weird way, you know what I mean? It still signifies house, but it's like, kind of different, like, you know, the asymmetrical roofline where it's like one side has real steep sides rule being or like it's a lot more flat, or how this whole thing is angled kind of weird. And you can even put like a window or just an outline of some house feature. If you don't want any pets or anything in the house. Then you could outline the house a little bit more, you know, however you want, which is block just blocked, not like shady but just like, here's vertical lines that represent the door or a garage or something like that. Whatever. I would look at like, mid century houses, 60s houses, you know, because they have like those weird kind of design elements that are just different enough. It's still a house, but it's like, cool looking, you know what I mean? That way, it brings your logo down. It's not so tall and vertical. It doesn't take as much space. And then all the words are underneath it. You could even do pet care in a nice script font. You know? Not unreadable, but like, right. Yeah, because some of those are nice. They're good. Yeah, they're just like a nice fonts. It's like
1:02:38
so anyway, yeah, since you three I
1:02:40
sent you three that I had made. And I can't find the rest.
Brandon 1:02:44
But yeah, that was Yeah, okay. Gotcha.
Collin 1:02:48
You can tell that like, I have no idea. Like, what? Yeah, like I look at these and I go, Hmm, I kind of like aspects of all of these, and you guys can attest to these are None. None of these are like None of these are birds true at all.
Brandon 1:03:08
So anyway, these are fun things. Definitely go. I found the house. I found it. I got it. Here it is. Boom. Now that I just take the tree out the front yard, obviously but there that's the house silhouette you need. comes back. Done. Boom. Yeah. Oh, design on the fly. Yeah, yeah, I get that roofline.
Collin 1:03:37
There's a how there's seriously a house here in town that is very similar to that. And I can't tell you how much I love that
Brandon 1:03:47
much. Because I'm saying you take that silhouette. You make that the house and then underneath that because it's big and long. One story basically, you can put your logo under That way we all together Come in. Yeah, that's how me It says in houses right
Collin 1:04:18
now, thank you for visiting.
Brandon 1:04:21
Graphic Design corner. Graphic Designer if you're still listening, sorry, Mike. Thank you, Mike. Sorry. But thank you, Mike. more ideas coming your way, buddy. So, so sorry. Got you. So helping you deal with this crazy brother so it's okay.
1:04:42
Um, anyway, that's um, that's what we're doing in my life. You go right now. That's good. It's fine.
Brandon 1:04:51
Well, Woody, five minutes. I know that we had some. Well, here we go. Fully wrap up too much. I wanted to say I have found the best good news story ever. Oh, for this week, okay. Okay. Do this. Okay, you ready? You might have heard this, but coming spring the Girl Scouts have a new cookie. not heard this, but Oh yeah. Girl Scouts are going to have a new cookie. This next Girl Scout cookie season, which I think is in the spring, I believe. A French toast. What? Yes, yes. Yes. As a little piece of toast. There's like frosting on it. Huh? What? I want it right now. This is Oh, yes. So, brand new girl scout cookies coming up in the spring. I don't know if I can make it that long. It sounds amazing. is a contraband in black market cuz we're like illegal. Illegal girls. Yeah. But yeah, I read that yesterday it was like oh my gosh, I mean, so yeah, I don't know much about it right now, but release date. It just said spring to early 2021 but it's for instance flavored beer can be seen in Article at you but yeah, so there you go there is your something to look forward to at long last
1:06:42
much rejoicing.
Brandon 1:06:45
Yeah Monday. Hey, ah there it is right. can find both your names at the same time on the phone. All right. Yeah. All right. So I was thinking, three things anything else happening this week? No, no Just been at school for an hour.
Collin 1:07:02
Yeah, hopefully those things go more. more smoothly. more smoother ish.
Brandon 1:07:07
Very Dallas because school starts on Tuesday. So only on smoothness from here on. today's gonna be a disaster. Well not like first day schools always ridiculous, but now can be like, extra every day. Mm hmm. Sorry. So we'll see. That's how you I made if I didn't tell you last week about my ruler that I made.
Collin 1:07:35
Yes. Your stick of context.
Brandon 1:07:38
Yes. No. Yes. Yes, I did. It's all ready to go. Okay, already going a desk move around. Basically, as I'm about to jump on my table, but I mean, there is always drunk on my table. I figure Yeah, maybe five You just need to get used to that being there and having stuff in the way the guy or this just what happens yeah just it is what it is. It is what it is that's how it works not not gonna change it no not right at least not right now is never changes the second I get it cleared off I'm like ooh, a space for more thing but well I ended up putting like papers into get ready to be passed back on there are project pieces get stuck on there so like it's like a staging table really easily used for Oh yeah, so I always need a staging table.
Collin 1:08:40
Good luck on that then can't wait to hear
Brandon 1:08:42
Yeah. We have a new or other fifth grade teacher is new this year. Does their first year teaching. Yeah, sounds terrifying. Yeah. Oh, man.
Collin 1:08:58
What a world to come into. Yeah.
Brandon 1:09:00
Yeah, right like, Oh, no. Hey, remember
1:09:02
all those years of education training that you took? Not a lot of that's not really gonna apply? Yeah, I
Brandon 1:09:09
have now not though not applicable anymore.
1:09:15
To you abrin trade exclusively and very well, but exclusively for a world of education that doesn't really exist anymore.
Brandon 1:09:24
Well, I mean, yeah, that's the funny part. Right? Because like, that's funny, but like, there is a deep irony in the fact that like, a lot of education recently has been going to things like flexible seating, right? really emphasizing small groups, and that kind of thing. And this year, it's like, oh, actually, hey, by the way, because my friend, the other fifth grade teacher, the one that I'm really close friends with, right? her classroom is like flexible seating. So there are no desks in that classroom. There are a series of tables, a little couch thing. Some like bouncy chairs, like yoga ball chair deals, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, like a high, like cafe table thing, like, a couple of standing desks, right? She's got all these like, different seating. There's a table with little wobble stools, you know, for kids that like move around a lot. And like really chairs and stuff to get rid of a bunch of that stuff now, and at least like not, not all of it, she didn't have to move out some of her chairs because like the couch and some of that stuff, it's all soft surfaces, which they don't encourage right now, and is bringing in like normal tables. So she's kind of like this is Geez. Yeah, you know, I do like tons of group work. Yeah. So like, I don't know, I figured that out. Not at first, right, but there are because the beginning we don't do too much. There's one thing though, one of my first deals is a partner project. So we're gonna talk about that. You know, kind of where you're masking stuff if you're going to be partners, because you get to do that. Maybe even your Oh, yeah, that they bought everybody face shields. I seen that picture earlier this week. Yeah, so we all students and staff have these interesting these like cool little faceshield things. Yeah. I mean, we're gonna be partners and be close to each other. We need to wear that too. Because we gotta be safe everything. So be interesting. Try to live with that. Yeah, that's the Yeah, like small group collaboration, flexible seating. Different all these things are like, Yeah, no, no. I actually can't do that now. When I built my classroom this, and that was like,
Collin 1:12:07
just kidding. Yeah, no, no, totally, you know, yeah, this is what we want. This is what? Because, yeah, everybody made those moves to make situations and the classroom setup that would actually be better for the students and everyone went all in on that. And now you're like, ooh, all those training methodologies actually, like, we still know that they're the best way to do this. But
Brandon 1:12:32
again, just but you can't do that yet. Yeah, yeah, that's the hard part. Like I don't have like, flexible seating, right? Because No, I just Yeah, not really ready for that step. Mostly. I'm not ready to get all that stuff. I really want to deal with a lot of it. So I have desks. I just had normal standard desks. But a lot of our work when it's time for inventor or group work, doesn't take place at the desk. Right? Right, we can sit on that. I have like a I have a couple extra tables and the floor hide carpet squares, those are shelled now, right now all that stuff like pillows and everything that's all put away currently. So we would sit there so we do a lot of work not at our desk. We're on the floor when the benches were on the tables and stuff with our partners or our by yourself, you know, some people want to sit over there. Some people want to sit at their desk, some people want to lay down the floor and work right, just creating an environment where you are comfortable and what suits your needs at that time. Sure, but now, it's like, I mean some of that still good because we can spread out right now.
1:13:53
But, you know,
Brandon 1:13:56
it's still not a ideal at all. situations because it doesn't go because we do a lot, especially in science. There's a lot of collaborative learning happening. You know? So I mean, certainly not at first. But there are a few things that are like, Well, can I do that? Or do I need to skip that right now and just right? Do something else like,
Collin 1:14:22
yeah, how do we adapt that or put it on the chopping block for
Brandon 1:14:26
now? Yeah. Just put that on the chopping block and see if I can do some bigger projects later, like, what does that look like? You know, the first. My first unit is like scientific methodology. So we have a couple of quick experiments that we do, but I'm like, I don't know. We can do all those. We might get one because it's not real great. And it's just kind of like Practicing filling out a table and a graph. So like we can, we could do that later. Or I guess I could just give them the data and say,
1:15:10
table like, but
Brandon 1:15:13
that's fun when you can't find your own.
1:15:15
Yeah, no.
Brandon 1:15:17
I have to do the other way around now. Just to get it just yeah, to get the practice in, but not actually do the collection part. And so, yeah,
Collin 1:15:28
we'll have to see. Yeah, lots to lots of see in the in the coming weeks. So look forward to seeing how all that pans out for you. Yeah.
Brandon 1:15:39
No. Yeah. Well, man, after months of sitting at home and not doing anything, getting up on work before, like, 730 every day's like, Oh, I didn't.
Collin 1:15:57
bodies like what do we do
Brandon 1:15:58
what our bodies like whoa. What are you doing? never done that before we're not gonna do that today. What do you what do you have done that a while so that's been
Collin 1:16:12
well, best of luck to you and your body then later Yeah, thanks.
1:16:20
Oh, goodness.
1:16:22
Now, I guess Enjoy the rest of your evening and
Brandon 1:16:27
talk give it a shot.
Collin 1:16:28
Talk to you again real soon.
1:16:31
Yeah.
Brandon 1:16:36
We Yeah, right. Nobody will nobody will ever know. Totally fine
1:16:47
let me guys let me do