Floppy Raft

Much Rejoicing! Collin is experimenting. Aaron is going to the lake. Brandon is teaching! Plus Aaron’s Rant Corner and a long diatribe about dog breeds over the past 100 years.

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SPEAKERS

Collin, Aaron, Brandon

 

00:05

Welcome to Oh, brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out with your host, Brandon, Collin and Aaron on this week's show, floppy raft Hello. Hello. How are you? Pretty good. Good. Eating so excellent now what have you been eating? Chinese takeout and oh, cashew chicken time. The best, the best pretend Chinese food The best Missouri Chinese a best Springfield Missouri Chinese food cache teacher firm. That is the best I have a weird affinity for it. I just I don't know why I do to YouTube. Now I was trying an experiment. Can you can hear me when I'm talking right now? Right? Okay. Yes. Just a moment. Just a moment.

 

01:37

Okay, cool. Okay. You'd like to clarify?

 

01:46

Fine. I'll explain things. no

 

01:50

mystery silence like a baby go

 

01:55

fermenting right now. I was trying to see if I could record it to USB mics at the same time with zoom when they're plugged into the computer. You cannot. So that's unfortunate. Yes. Yeah. So audio interface time. It is. It is. Zoom. Zoom h6 is what we're getting. Ah, there we go. Yeah, we are. We got asked Mike and I were both asked to be interviewed on the with a dog podcast. And so I had to, I'm scrambling to figure out exactly what we're going to do. They haven't given me a timeline yet, but I need to get stuff in them. I'm sorry. You just shout at each other using the same way. He's like we push each other out of the way. Like, elbow her and then she comes back and like tackles you push the other way the microphone. Well, actually perfect, right? Except that wouldn't really work. No, no, it's great. No, it'd be great. Not with the kind of microphones that we have, which are like you must talk straight into them or they don't pick you up. Oh, yeah, no. Fine. Yeah. She'll headbutt you and get you out of the way. finally get to use some XLR cables, which will be fun. Oh, yay. Yes, more. Everyone loves more cabling, more. More cabling. That's the best. I won't be too much more because I've got the there'll be more prominent. Yeah, I mean, my current ones are skinny USB cables, but Oh, well. Yeah. Aaron Beck. Hello. Hey, So you can, you can speak now. Yeah, sorry. It was the it took forever to get logged in. Now I was talking about I can actually hear your voice when you talk. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's a little bit better. It is returning. Excellent. This is good news. Good time. Not rejoicing? Yes. Yay. Yeah. I I probably have the number of quotes from from movies or media in my life times past that one, quote, much rejoicing or there was much rejoicing probably comes up at least twice a day. But yeah, a disturbing number of my movie quotes actually are just from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I don't really know why, but just happens that way. I have lots of other ones too, but they seem to center up My Python and I just I just apologize everyone all the time because they don't know what I'm talking about. So those movies like right when we got married, I was like, Okay, look you're gonna have to watch this. You might not like it but in order to understand at least one fifth of the things that I say you're gonna need to have seen it's just gonna kind of go right ahead so we can communicate effectively. Yes you to do this just helps everything. We had to do that also with I think I mentioned before, but we had to do that with back the feature Like what? You okay, hold on. What this is important. You watch this So when I randomly yo the third logs about to blow, you don't just look at me and be like, What on earth are you talking about?

 

06:17

You know, fine.

 

06:22

You have to

 

06:23

stay up with the lingo these days.

 

06:25

Yeah, the old lingo way back in the late 80s y'all, it's, anyway we've been doing this week. Me? Yeah, sure. Oh, um, it has been a it's been a it's been a week, um, every week, every week this year, it feels like 62 years. So I mean it particularly longer. We were sitting As a class I don't even know how old he was a young boxer puppy. Oh, with separation anxiety. Oh oh double No, no when I say separation anxiety, I mean like it was it was not a he was excited to follow you it was he had to follow you like if you stood up, he would immediately jump up and look at you and get close to you and then walk around with you like heavily panting and I know the painting because which made it hard because any dog that's got a crammed in knows, is more likely to overheat and can't believe the term is brackish. Yes. Rockies Valley. It can't Yes, they can't come. Well, I didn't. Whatever. I'm helping. Thank you. Thank you probably. So I didn't want to we didn't because it's been so hard. I couldn't take it. What would normally do for an anxious dog is just wear him out, wear them out and take them for a long walk. Well, we have a dog that could have the breeds like very high on the list of ones that can possibly overheat and die. Yeah, you can't do that right he's already super stressed. The trigger him out when it's hot. So I tried another technique that I had learned, where you get a long leash that has to be longer than just your standard leash. And you you like wrap it around your waist, or over your shoulder and you leash the dog to you. Now, this may sound counterintuitive, but you do two things. You are You are just going out your date your normal day, or you're just going from, you're just sitting you're doing normal stuff. And you're, you're keeping the dog close to you with the leash. So you can give the dog leash corrections whenever they are misbehaving or when they're not paying attention or they're doing something so you can Keep them you know, and then it also allows you when they lay down, you immediately give them all sorts of praise and, and treats. And like a, this is the behavior you need to be doing not right next to me, not it. And it especially with leash trained dogs need to be doing this behavior over there. Right, exactly. It allows it with least trained dogs or dogs that are comfortable on leash. It gives them a sense of comfort, too. So it helps them a little bit and you rewarding that and then slowly you are lengthening, lengthening the amount of leash that you give out. And the dog can wander more, but you're still able to keep track of them. So I don't know. But he seemed, after five days, he was more fine. On the last day. It was he was not okay. He was just more fine. Well, that's that's it. Something I guess like it just made it just made every hour with him constantly pacing around and panting just mentally exhausting. You're like, just yeah. So, yeah, that was fine. The biggest thing, probably the biggest thing we've been doing, I've been doing some online trainings work, which have not been very beneficial. I mean, are they ever really just super beneficial? Let's be real here. I watched one yesterday that was supposed to be about virtual education, best practices. I was like, awesome. I should watch that. It was put on by the department to our outreach and education branch. So odd To the educators, like if when you're doing online stuff, this is the things you should be doing. And I was like, Wait, I will include myself on this list and I will attend. It was like, if you're going to be doing a demonstration, you should mail the people, some demonstration materials before you do the online stuff they can do with you.

 

11:32

Go on.

 

11:35

And you need to mute everybody when they come on to the conference call. Wow, everybody, and I was like, Oh, sorry. They charge up beating themselves mostly on these things. Like that's how I tell people everything kind of works. Most teleconferencing things you they have to mute themselves. No, you know, if you set it up like if you do like WebEx or zoom, you can have it set up or goto meeting, you can set it up, but anybody entering the room is automatically muted. So things like that this whole thing was not very helpful, because it's one of the things like, Okay, I know all of that. Those are just general practices. Um, I was hoping we would talk about how to use WebEx because that's the platform that department uses and is paid for, like to its fullest of like, how do you spend send people into breakout groups? I know it can do it. I don't really know how to manage it well, though. Yeah, in those kind of those kind of power tools, as far as when you're done, or like, I was hoping they'd cover it when designing virtual programs, or when you're taking class based virtually, here are some things to consider. It wasn't literally none of that. And so I play games on my phone all the time. It's it is pretty difficult as somebody who attended a large amount of college classes in a seated but like remote setting, we were teleconference in two classes with the professor, right for a lot of my stuff. So it's very difficult to actually engage people and perform that successfully right we had a lot of good tools like that we had like a huge setup thing. So not like you know, just download a program on a laptop. It was like a whole Deal with monitors and cameras that moved and all this stuff. So we could zoom in on stuff and focus things how we wanted to, we could like take control this stuff, it was pretty cool. But just the engagement level is really hard. Like we always complain, like, you'll never talk to us. Because, you know, we were just sort of there on a screen in the background. And then there was other people like actually in front of him. So like, it was really hard to we just had to unmute ourselves and like start yelling, like, Alright, but it is a weird, it's a weird environment to be in. Right. It takes a lot of getting used to, and a lot of work to kind of make it successful. Just Yeah, like how do you do these weird things? How do you utilize it so that everyone is involved in it makes sense and how do you do that stuff? So yeah, yeah, I and i'm not i'm not saying I'm not the I'm definitely not saying that. It's easy, and it's not hard. I'm saying it's very hard. It's very not easy. I was shocked at how I guess little progress or how little information they were actually handing out to deal with it.

 

15:06

Sounds like they don't actually know, either. They

 

15:10

know. And again, it's hard for an agency that has literally has never offered. Virtual courses are online learning opportunity. Yeah. Right that so i don't i don't fault them for that. I'm going you have an entire branch of the department, whose outreach and education, you have people who write curriculum to be certified by the state of Missouri as meeting standards. And this is where we are with the verge. Okay. Yeah. Well, and it's also hard because you've got people at different levels of, like, comfort with using anyway, because if you're at the stage, like, Yeah, I know, I could figure out what these buttons are. There's like 87 people that are like, afraid to push a button because it might cause like, irreparable damage to a computer. Right. And so that came up of we need to find, as a department, the people who are pros at WebEx who run them all the time, and get them teaching classes to other people about how to use it. Yeah. Well, that's a whole nother thing too, because we used to do part of the PD training that we did, because we're a one to one school, right? We have iPads everywhere, right? And so, we, we sometimes have PD days where teachers will just kind of showcase stuff they do. Right. And it's really hard, because a lot of them are like, they just go over basic things all the time. And I always sit through those and go, Yeah, I know. But what about this? It's really, yeah. Yeah, no, it is difficult because you start going. Like, I like the idea and concept but in execution, sometimes it's like Oh my gosh, why? Yeah, present something different or new that you know something you or maybe something you learned about it and they're like, no, if you long press, you can highlight text and select it. Like, Oh, no. Okay. Oh,

 

17:16

that's where we're going. Oh.

 

17:19

Looks like I don't have to listen for the next 15 minutes. Sweet. Yeah. That's Yeah. And then part of the other thing is that is that you know, they're bought in in fully integrated into WebEx. But it doesn't offer it's a conference platform, right. It's not an education platform. And that that's something wholly different. And, and same thing with zoom. Zoom is not an education platform. It is a conference platform. And so how, what you're probably listening to this, don't let him hear you say That we only had case off here. Well, actually, they're probably routing it through servers in China. That was something I know

 

18:07

they are doing that that's Yeah, we know that there's certain words you can't stay on here. You'll get banned.

 

18:12

Right? Like like Tiananmen Square. Wow, you did it. Okay, there we go. There it is.

 

18:22

Well, goodbye listeners see, like, the last episode right here. Nice. All right, you're gonna figure might as well wrap it up. Yeah. Trying to try to find a platform that suitable that allows you to present because there is also the like, how do you handle documentation back and forth? And how do you do all the stuff and that is it we're on, like, just like everybody else trying to find a good platform for that. And but then the problem is how Do you shift? A whole department? No. to that? Well, yes. That's true to be in the middle of a massive financial crisis.

 

19:10

Let me tell you about Let me tell you about Google Classroom Lage. I mean, this is what?

 

19:14

So that's Yeah, I would actually I would genuinely like to hear about it. Well, it's free. Number one, you don't have to worry about anything. I don't know if you can actually. I've never done any, like video conferencing on there. But I imagine it integrates into some of the other Google Video messaging systems because now you can do the video calls and stuff from the email, Gmail, and all that stuff just jumps right straight in there. But it's nice that you can organize everything. Push out everything, have conversations, just directly in comment sections under posted material on there. Like you Use it back and forth that way. That's what I that's how I use it in the classroom like, Well, yeah, and that's the that's the thing of Yeah, with the department currently has no ability to do that as Oh, when you sign up for a beginning fishing class, go to this page and where all of the documents are for it. You'll be able to download those. And here's a chat window, and you can submit questions or submit emails there. And and then click this button for the live presentation. There's nothing, nothing like that. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't. Yeah. See, that was the Google Classroom. What you do is just like if if somebody you could just circulate them out, like every month or whatever, however long let's just say you were doing a phishing class for that weekend. Right? You would just give them if you sign up, you get this code, and then they just put it in there and boom, all the material Everything is just there. Yeah. And then when you roll it over to a new class, you can just take all the material that you posted and that one. So let's say the next weekend, there's another one. You can just take all that material and dump it straight into a new class. No, nothing. You can just copy it and boom, it's gone. There. So yeah, and in that you can just reuse all this stuff. Yeah, dump it in. And I'm familiar with it universities using Blackboard. It's all Yeah, you can function it similarly to a blackboard. Right? It has a lot of the same features is a blank that's why I like it because I use Blackboard so much. Right? It's kind of got this it's got a blackboard you feel feel it doesn't have all the features, but it's got a feel that is you can kind of be like, okay, I can it's kinda like a blackboard light. Right? Sure. Which you know, it's all unique like Blackboard Blackboard. Well, yeah, is so crazy. It's hard. It's it's very dense. Yeah. Like if on the instructor and you can design your own web pages with it to host all your stuff. And it's just crazy. So, yeah, there's no right now the department is like, well, you can, I guess, email everybody, the documents for it. And then, you know, foster conversation through email or maybe on a chat window. But it's like, if it's not if the videos aren't live if you pre record them, you don't have a chat window anymore. Yeah, right. That's true. So anyway, I don't know about live integration, but my thing isn't here right now. It's it's cool still, but I think I'm sure you could probably do that. Yeah. So then the question is, though, would like would you have to have a Gmail email to use it And hosted, huh? Yes, I think you do. So that may get into some. Yeah, it IT security and accessibility weirdness. Yeah. Good point. Right, since we're fully in the Microsoft Yak are true. Well, Microsoft's doing their own thing now too. So, yeah, they have all kinds of new weird things. But who knows? That's been my male. Male Post Office Box. Seven to five. Yeah, to get your this is actually just a correspondence course is what you're taking right now. You'll be mail. VHS is a booklet and they use mail it back then complete the complete By the end of the year perfect

 

24:05

perfection

 

24:09

Oh, yeah, so I know what about you? What are you guys? Hearing we've been done. Um, I mean, pretty much investigation after investigation. We are trying to redecorate the bathroom as a Star Wars theme. And we have a is that is that your house or the office? The apartment? Sorry. Okay. We don't have an office anymore remember? Well yeah, I know but it's like I was like did you go to someone else's office and just decide to redecorate the bathroom because that's kind of awesome. We got we got a little LED

 

24:48

light that has little remote that has different colors on it and we have a Darth Vader mask

 

24:55

for it and so the red comes out from underneath the mask. But I mean, it's it's other than, you know, for me this week, you know, showing myself went out on a legitimate date date today actually got to go out so a lot of places are opening around here in bartlesville. So we just got a chance to do some escaping and get some ice cream, which was a bomb, although it is every time I have like some ice cream place. I always, you know, have a feeling it's like, well, it's not Andes. No, but this place this place was really good. Like it was it was definitely It was definitely up there. And so I love I think I think I like it more than Andy's just because it's closer to me. But I mean, that's fair.

 

25:50

Right? My favorite ice cream within a 50 mile radius of me right now.

 

25:54

That's really cool because

 

25:58

it's on the road that I live on, right? Like every day and I'm like, what's a little place? It looks like an ice cream place. And then we went there today like, Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. So we did that a little bit and then tomorrow we're going to go to the lake with Shelby's family and do Lake stuff. Do the sunburned swim. Got it? Yeah. I've liked that stuff. Um, so we'll go and do that. And then we'll have a chill day. Sunday, I think we still kind of want to go to the Tulsa zoo. So we still might go down there and do that. But you have to buy tickets online. So it's a little weird. But it's been it's kind of because the zoo and then we're planning for excursion next week. But other than that, I mean, that's that's literally been our week. In a nutshell. Just work. Like I said, we I did my first field investigation yesterday. I actually had I actually got to go into the field he stopped the teleworking where there'll be only a limited number of people out in the field and they only offered because they go out and have like, their phone in their hand and have it on speaker. Yeah, me at home like taking notes. They're like, yeah, we're not doing that anymore. So I I got a chance to actually go out and see people and like, oh, wow, let's see what it's like out here. Cool. No, again, hello. So yeah, that's that's what that's what I did. I did that yesterday. And then I just did typing like all day today and the phone calls and stuff like that. But that's, that's all I've been doing. Honestly. I've been pretty good. That's not bad. And he can talk again, so that makes me feel much better. I talked with with a family Yesterday, and I was like, Oh, I haven't had to use my voice like this in a long time. So my voice got like immediately hoarse. Not that far in the conversation. I was like, Oh, sorry, just bear with me please. I'm gonna try to do my best here. So yeah. I did that like the very first week of summer school the other day. I was like, Oh, I can't talk anymore.

 

28:30

Oh, yeah.

 

28:32

This is what it's like. That's been been all I've been doing. Excellent. Excellent. I've been doing summer school still. Summer schooling. We did complete and test our raft design today. And excellently. They all held at least five beanbags. Before like, completely going under the water, right? I gave them i was i was the thing was like before, if it pushed the whole thing underwater, then that was no longer really above the water so it can't hold any more weight, you know, starting to sink. They all held five. And the winner held like six. So just barely beat him out. But hers was super good. Like, their design was really good. So I was awesome. They did a really good job. So I think they liked it. So they seem to be into this building stuff thing. So we'll just keep it going. It's not to find a fourth week. I don't know. I haven't found one yet. Then I'd like because it's really hard to find some that are like interesting or useful or like good. And I don't have to go buy a bunch stuff cuz I'm gonna buy stuff. Come on, get out there. So I Next week is still gliders. But I think that hang gliders. No no hanging we're just gonna go no no unmanned, unmanned whatever. I don't want to recreate those like early 19 hundred's videos of dudes like jumping off bridges you know wings we're gonna do that I think we're gonna start out with we're gonna do like paper airplanes first and just kind of talk about them, throw them inside and then we're gonna go throw them outside and you know talk about the other factor that is not unaware control the wind and then start designing some talk about you know, just come design principles of airplanes like The bigger your plane is, the bigger your wings have to be. This is very important. It's very important direct relationship that we talk about. You. Yeah, this concept of don't skimp on the wing. Okay? Don't be like, oh, let's make a little tiny with no crashing is what you'll have all the wing all the wing all of the time. So we'll talk a little bit about that might read a little bit about this flight in general reading stuff and then go from there see what kind of design they can come up with that we interesting to see what they come up with. That'd be real cool. Yeah, we'll see how it goes. I kind of I'm intrigued to see how this works. So we'll see, but it'll be good. That's at least something for a week for I don't know if I don't know what to do. No if it should be like I'm sort of out of vehicles. Right? We're dead land, sea and air. So it's like, Okay, well I know we should do like, like every summer. I was gonna say make them watch the movie The core, the core, drill down, drill or space make them watch them watch Armageddon. Well I thought about First of all, no, that would be terrible. Second of all I thought about rocketry, right, but I don't have stuff to propel a rocket. Right? I don't have a bicycle pump. So I can't make this water bottle rockets. I don't have any other like, that's the main rocket engine that they do they do this well, you just put water in and then you pump it up until it blows and it Yeah, the water coming out, propels it forward. I mean, hopefully I really have that and that was just sort of like tape some things to a water bottle. See what happens like that really very well you can you get one of those cheap ones from Walmart. I guess I could but like again I this is only for summer school and I'm not really into I don't have a budget for summer school. So I'm not really into well, sci fi. This is what you do. So if I if I had a bicycle, then like I would be like, Oh yeah, by comes a good idea. But I don't. So what you do is you buy one, and then whenever a school kicks back up, you then use that same bicycle pump as like, like a science gift or like a science prize like oh wow guys wanna Because you did the test right? I go Wow. Well, it would be different to if I was doing if I could use it for the normal school year. Right? Yeah, that would be then I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would just buy one right now. But like in earth science Not really. You can need for one can show how how fracking is done by using pressure outside inside bicycle pumping the ground No, hold on. Stay with me guys. Be a little bit day and stay just pour some some water and chemicals down there and boom get cracking one no problem. That's that's the Missouri State Standards, right? Is that Uh, no, I don't think so. I don't remember that in there. Sounds like it needs to be have the list in my bag right here. But let me look No, no look, none of that.

 

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Wow.

 

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other stuff get your stuff together Missouri. Come on. Yeah, right. Yeah, I don't know if we'll do the old standby bridge buildi thing. Or we should do. catapults, catapults. We have anything to build catapults out of. Do you have a? I mean, it's my main supplies at this time are cardboard and duct tape. That's why popsicle sticks and rubber bands don't have popsicle sticks or rubber bands. You can build a bass on cardboard and do Oh, we built boats with the sticks. We went out and found sticks in the wood and then get that that's what we were. The only thing we use this week was sticks and yarn. And they didn't really like using the yarn very much because they're really bad at tying turns out so they get kidney I'm one of the rafts was very floppy, and like barely. Really, I would not want it to like be Huck Finn on that raft. You know? I mean, it was kinda a little touching go there for a minute. So I did, I didn't put it in the kiddie pool and before I put any weight on the side, I like kicked us out of the pool. You know? And it's, it was fine. It rode out the waves. So I mean, they go, it's okay. To declare it where they work. I also made them name their boats, because you know, bad luck to not name your boat to do that. What are some other names? The only one I can remember is big red, because my yarn is red. And it was like super Yeah. There you go. There's like a huge glob of red on like the one of the parts who's like, no big red. Got it. Like, there you go. Perfect. In a sense, we just had to have names. Yeah. Yeah. Bridge building. What's the other one where you have to build the tallest skyscraper with a sheet of paper? Yeah, I thought about that one too. I mean, we're doing that we do do the you build towers. And during the normal school year, okay. I don't want to go like too crazy. But we do it with something else. We do the marshmallow toothpick tower. Then we put it on the shake table when we're talking about earthquakes. Yeah. That's cool. That adds a couple extra layers of Oh, no to that one. And the nice thing about these other parts, they've been very, like multi day projects. So it's summer school we can have, we can spend a lot of time on them. Yeah, the paper one is cool, but that's for like, an hour. Right? You know, I mean, that's one of those like, our challenges. It's cool. It's fun, but that's like a challenge puzzle. Like, hey, you have a time limit and limited supplies go. Where? Because I did that one year, it was very intriguing how well that worked out. Because we just had, I did that one year during the Christmas concert because I had all the kids that were not in band in my room. Yeah, just like the band kids were in the auditorium practicing, and that everyone else was supposed to just go sit in auditorium and watch. I was like, Oh, that's right. No, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that at all. So I reject your reality to my own. Yeah. That's the other problem, right? Because there's a couple of things that I do just like run away during the year. And I don't want to do them in summer school. Right, because then they'll already know how to do it later. Yeah. I mean, assuming they remember how to do it. By Like, they would have already done it. So yeah, you don't want to give them that chance. Yeah, I don't want to double dip by because I also do a boat one with I do the boat one with aluminum foil. And I have to get Oh sorry. Aluminium foil. And yeah, we have to put pennies in it is the weight. We see how many pennies a carrier. They get like a few pieces of Styrofoam, a little bit of tape and a sheet of aluminum foil, aluminum foil. Go have to build the thing. So like I don't want to bust that one out because again, that's one of my like, you've got 45 minutes go and they have to build the whole thing. It's really fun, but

 

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I don't know. We'll see. But I'll just keep looking on the thing. Okay, I'm online tomorrow, if I could anything good

 

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to know. Yeah. I'm pretty stoked about the gliders though. I think it'll be Yeah, that'll be fun. I'm also thinking of ways to take something that may have already done and do something else with it. You know, like Bill, I thought about that to like, make I thought about then do races or Yeah, make something I don't know why I thought about what if we made a giant car? Right, because we made small cardboard cars before? And I thought it kind of about like, what if we made like a big one? Like, what if we all worked on like one big one? Yeah. And then went out and pushed it down the road. How could we make it work? I thought about that. Might be not sure. Yeah. Yeah. Is that way that way? It's more like everyone's bringing in lessons that they learned, but yeah different because the scale changes things. Yeah, a lot. So yeah, I might do that that might be good. And yeah, I don't know I have to use four axles. Like steal some broom handles or something. Here we go. Yeah see if the shop buildings open you're gonna need dowel rods out here I can, you know borrow for days. Yeah maybe we'll see

 

41:39

some schooling, trying to hide.

 

41:52

Do you enjoy the ramblings of three Mad Men and just want more? Check out Oh brother podcast.com to see all of our previous episode As a full rambling transcripts, make sure you are subscribed wherever you're listening and give us a follow on Instagram or Twitter. Aaron, you said you had some suffered down?

 

42:27

Oh, I think just more me having a platform to rant on.

 

42:33

I mean reads Aaron's rant. It's like for Aaron's rant where he rants about stuff that he's seen today ain't gonna talk about it and all the things that he doesn't like he's gonna re up and rant.

 

42:49

Now, we went about 20 seconds too long on the jingle. That's why we really want to stop it. So already did it we're going to get copyright strikes. And I said, Oh, so we're driving around town

 

43:07

the other day and it kind of sparked my anger. But then I saw it again today. I was like, I that's what I was mad about.

 

43:15

It was you guys remember Driver's Ed? What what I mean? Yes. I mean, if you, you know, try to block out as much as you can from your med did try out a lot of it. Do you remember what vehicle

 

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you had to drive and what Coach Scruggs may or may not have had you do while we're driving. So I don't actually remember what the thing was that we were driving. I know it was some kind of like enormous land yacht. It was a Buick lesabre was it? Yes. Oh, I don't know. I know. It was enormous and enormous. And, like it was just a boat. And I don't remember a lot i well i remember vaguely driver's ed remember the classroom parts were just like the most boring thing in the universe. Right? And I do definitely remember watching red s bolt, right? How do I stop it? But as far as the Oh, we had to do a bunch of really boring like insurance stuff. So we had to like pick a car and then we had to like do all this like insurance policy research. Like it was the top game challenge, basically, but like boring mode

 

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is not entertaining at all. No. So man, me and my friends picked like everybody else in the class picked like the type of car that they were probably gonna get or you know, like the car that they already had, because we were like 15 or 16. We were doing it. We all pick just like the most insane car you could think of like, well, what if I bought this, like some just dumb, sports car or whatever. So we did that, because we were bored. But what we did in Driver's Ed was mostly drive to McDonald's and get coach. The world's largest Diet Coke. That's what we do. Yes. That's all we did. We went to all the different McDonald's. We went to the McDonald's in Seymour. And we went to their Donald's in Portland. And we went to some on the very east side of Springfield, just at our random driving because we were just sort of drive around and he'd be like, turn left. We just go left for a while the backroads. And then yeah, me and me and Jamie, we're partners. We're supposed to have somebody else but they never showed up. It was me and her. And we'd drive around. I was just like, I pull over. You guys switch now. And then we would switch. I would jump in the back. It did. She would drive around and then we and he'd be like, Oh, hey, we got to go to the store. I got to get this thing for my wife. It's We would just go to the grocery store, he would run inside and buy like some bread or something. And then just have it the car. I've had running errands. My other friends that took it with Matheson, they would like, go to the hardware store. I drive out to his house to drop stuff off like they were just running errands. That's all we did. That's a we did the only very specific memory I have a driver's ed is that we definitely went to the McDonald's in Stratford. And Jamie like, pulled around the side of the building. It was like four feet away from the drive thru witness because it was one of the first the first week we were actually driving. Alright, she pulled her super far away so I just got out of the car. It wouldn't stood next to the window. Okay. The lady is like, Oh, hello. It's okay. It's been a rough day. How's it going? I just handed the buddy that I took the jig back to the z. So instead of her like trying to figure out how to get close to it, I was like, I got you JB. Yeah, I just don't stay where you are. Like, I got this. Yeah, it's good. That's a hard rubber. I was just aimlessly driving around backwards. Like code scribes was barely awake. And I'm driving to McDonald's to get a Diet Coke. This is when McDonald's used to serve like, the giant one like the supersize was like a million liters of soda. You said, you know, you know, they scaled them back since then, but that's what he used to get out. Boom. World's Biggest dicho sorry to take over your rant here, but what made you angry about

 

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calling you Do you remember anything from from driving your driver's ed experience?

 

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I took it with Kevin and Kyle. And yeah, all the same thing. Oh, yeah. No shock. Shocking. Literally shocking. Yeah, no, we do. So I know you're not listening, Jamie, but I hope you're doing well. Shout out. Yeah. No, we we joked, yeah, Marshall, Mansfield Republic, all those stuff. And I know that we also one day ended up in Mansfield. That's far away.

 

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I think. I think that's because Scruggs kind of falls asleep on the highway. And then he would just go turn off, turn over, like turn around.

 

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I think we made all the way up to Norwood one day. Yeah. Yeah, no, I remember that. I remember him like yelling at Kevin and Kyle was the Kyle to pass and I'll go to the passing lane that immediately slow down. We're on like, we're on the two lane highways, you know, and you got to get around and so he would really encourage us to the past as much as possible. camera down. Yeah.

 

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Yeah, that's all I know that's very similar stories of drive throughs and

 

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basically co sleeping in the car. But we drove in silence in complete silence because we didn't know to talk or what does he say is very awkward. Because I i this whole I'll get into the reason of why this sparked horrible flashbacks for me. Because we were we were driving and there's two vehicles that I saw one. It had a little sticker on the back is student driver on board and but it was like, a really, like annoyingly nice car.

 

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That was like you shouldn't be driving that It was just I don't know, like it was some sort of Chevy but it was just like a really nice nicer vehicle than because we I had a it was a blue Ford Taurus. That just was, you know as for as 40 and Taurus ease you can think and like I was ever like that was our car. The brake on coach Greg's aside did not work. So it was just kind of a it didn't really look at the old one either the one that I'm being told was a Chrysler Baron, but I'm not sure.

 

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But like, I just I remember seeing this this really nice car for like some high school kid to drive as like their practice vehicle and I was like, No, no, like that. No, you don't know. That's not you don't, you don't deserve that.

 

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And yeah, just just remember seeing all of those Like just that story because I you know, being in sports with Coach Scruggs, you know, I kind of had that, you know, good relationship with them. And it was Who was it? It was a lot of brawler in myself and I drove maybe 90% of the time. Because a lot of a lot of you're listening. You're you're, you weren't a good driver then but you're a good driver now. So that's all that matters. But, yeah, I drove about 90% of the time. And now we would Yeah, we. This was when rogersville had McDonald's. So we didn't have to. We still went to the one I think it was on like Kansas Expressway. The McDonald's went far afield for these things, man. Yeah, far. Like, I just remember driving around in the parking lot of the school and being like, all right, the guys here tomorrow, go to backroads. Like oh, wow. Okay. And then I just remember seeing like this car that they have a little student driver things like that is too nice to have. Have as a car for your first days like no you need to have like a you need a Ford Taurus. That's what you need. You need to learn the struggle. Those what you first need to learn, but I just saw that earlier. Sometimes we didn't it just brought me back to the Oh, I wonder if I wonder if the the teacher is asleep next to them or what they're doing hopefully they're doing it right. He's definitely asleep. Take the Diet Coke

 

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thing just just putting a giant thing of chalk in

 

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Drive. Oh, yeah. That was the only class I ever had with Scruggs. Those really awkward. I never drivers do these guys because I have a dog so I had no idea it was happening. This weird dude here was it going on?

 

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I was all excited like, Oh man, this is my football coach and then oh,

 

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we're not he's asleep the whole time. Yeah, he woke up one time and he's like, Where are we? It's like, I don't know.

 

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Driving we were we were in like Sparta or something.

 

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Probably should turn around. I was like, Okay, I'll do that. Do side note Fun fact. I don't know if I ever mentioned this to you before the lady that lives next to me in this apartment right here. She's definitely from Sparta. Ah, they go just side note. We're talking about that way does it you're from where? What? Your goals are to Missouri. Yeah. Anyway.

 

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The The other thing other than me,

 

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I know I just The other thing was, um, Joey myself went on. We went on a date today. We went to highway pizza. We had ice cream afterwards. But the parking was kind of it was kind of an issue. And I, I pulled past where I would usually Park and I looked over at her and I said, How far do you want to walk? And then I was like, I I had to stop myself and be like, Oh, no. Oh, no. Are you doing well today? You're making fun of me for cleaning out my vacuum cleaner.

 

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I mean, yes.

 

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The front yard like what did what do you

 

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just had that had that moment of like, like, I felt like I had to apologize. Like, I am. So sorry. She just kind of looked at me and she's like, oh, Okay, it's a it's a dad thing that happens, don't worry about it. You'll hear one day to be like that. So. But those are the things I thought I would share of just stories from Driver's Ed. And if we have any listeners who are from rogersville. And also I did experience it. Just anyway, that took Driver's Ed, anybody hope it was better than I hope your driver's ed instructor stayed awake. Get on our Insta, if they didn't let us know, because I want to I want to see if this is a common phenomenon, because I'm very curious now. But yeah, those are my little little side rants inside stories today know that that's understandable that the parking is a great source of consternation between Susan and I because we have very different operating procedures by How to park specifically. I'm all here for this. Let's go right there. Because, like, I know, she is of the mindset that we must Park as close as humanly possible to the door. Okay, so our Walmart has to insurances because it faces a weird direction. So there's like an entrance that takes you to the back of the parking lot. And then the entrance that takes you to the front of the parking lot. That makes sense, like, it's very, so she always goes to the one that takes you to the back, and then drives toward the building, looking for the closest parking spot. And I always drive to the one that takes you to the front of the parking lot, and then drives away from the building looking for a break. So we have fundamentally different ideas about how you need to park at war and the best way to do so Because I don't want to park by the dump cart return thing. I don't really care about how close I am because it's literally like feet closer and even though I am very lazy, I don't care. And when I'm going to Walmart I'm only going to part of it stems from the fact that if I'm going to Walmart I'm going to buy like a thing. So it doesn't really matter how far away I park because I'm only going out with one or two things anyway. Sure. She's going to Walmart we are we're in there we're in for the long haul everything so she is coming out with many things. And so feels the need to park closer even though you're coming out in a cart. It shouldn't just shouldn't really matter. Push. But we we have this discussion, slash argument every time we're going like why would you why would you not just go this way. It's better if you go this way because then you can see all the parking and it rarely happens but I do feel very vindicated when we go all the way down the row is completely full of parking spots and we have to turn around and drive back the way that I would have gotten in the first place like how much time we're saving with all the time we're taking looking for a place to park we could have been inside already easy Yeah. I think I have a very similar she's interesting because she Yeah, per first on her like number one rule is always Park as close as humanly possible. But then very close. Number two to that is never spend a lot of time trying to park which is because you're wasting your time because you can be in and out of the store. By the time you're However, however if you do not meet that first requirement, it is not time to park yet. Right? I will just go to like almost this very literally the the first available parking space that's reasonable to me I will pull in, even if five rows up, you know, five up ahead. There's one there, I just I'm going to get in. It's not going to be much of a difference. We'll be walking, we'll just get in and go. But like you must check to see if there's anything closer and then Park is after you've done your due diligence. You must Park as quickly as possible if you spend any time beyond that. People get cranky in the car. Yeah. Yeah, she does it she's she'll say she'll past all the ones like I can just park there. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes she's toward it because it's like a mini cooper. Like Yeah, dang it, like a mini cooper hiding behind the giant Truck of doom are like in there. And she's like I've been fooled No, I know we can't back up is when we go back all the way around a forever the parking lot. I'm like you should have bought today we could have been inside already. Like Yeah, no I'm 100% so good. Good times and parking lots Always. Always Yes. A relationship. It is it's a trial. Right? That's the big trial. How do you navigate the parking lot? The right way with a probably. That's right. I I usually in our is here in in bartlesville it's there's kind of like a weird ramp thing that comes down into like the side kind of We're in the area where the trucks offload things and so, okay, usually we usually Park kind of like on the side where there's not a lot of people because I just hate having to I hate going like driving through the front part of like Walmart or something where the all those you know where the entrance and exits are having to sit there and stop and wait for people to pass and then I'm like, Well, I just wanted to in this way No, that's the wrong way I can't go that way. So I just I go like around Walmart and just like park on the side. And I've been told there's two sides and either I go through like the garden center, the garden center. Like

 

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I could like,

 

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deal with anybody. It's fine. We're having fun. It's fine.

 

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But

 

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Larry

 

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was at the air just just keep the whole thing. No parking in the garden center. Forget it. Here.

 

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I have gotten Yeah, I've done that before. I can think of it Every day that I can't go to normal door even if I parked by the garden center I just go through a normal door because I don't care. I don't. Sure. That's really funny. And then we all the big thing. The biggest thing we joked about this earlier was Do we need a cart? No, I don't think we need a cart. Oh, I think we should get a cart. No, I think we get a card. Well, I'll get a basket. Sure. Yeah, no, let's get a basket. And he's like, No, we don't need it. And then like halfway through our our adventure, we're like, oh, crap. We should have gotten something but we have our article and we should have but we can't we don't be like awkward people. But we got it. We got a basket today. And so that's all that matters. does yours have the mini carts are started having mini carts? We do have. We has mini cards. Yeah, there's not a lot of them. They're kind of hard to find, but they're like mini cards. Like a weird like, hybrid. Between the basket in the car. Yeah. Okay, in the middle thing. Take a picture. In so instead of to college Yeah, because if I ever go into Walmart again, I haven't been in that store. You know, since the world ended, so yeah, that's fine. I understand. Yeah. We but yeah, there's many carts in there. Yeah it's really it's, it's terrible but it's really funny to watch like, watch like a family. Like there's, you know the mom the kids and the kids are like trying to climb on the car like usual but they can't because it's smaller. It's just like, if I can't if you can't Wow, vengeance. See, I I generally like when I'm going just for myself, right when I have to go run, because sometimes you go to the store and Susan says, you know, you to go I forgot this you have to go get, you know, X, Y and Z. Okay? If I'm going just by myself, I generally don't get into cars. Because this is a insurance policy that you don't buy too many things. Because once you can't carry any more stuff, you're done and you go home. Right? That's how it works out. Right? It's like well, now sometimes it does kind of bite you because you're like, Oh, I need this. Oh, and I need milk. Oh, dang it. Okay. But you normally this is how I, under normal circumstances, don't buy too much stuff at once. I just go in. Nothing, and we go for it. When I met Andrew, I'm done. I can't buy anymore. But it's a good way to live. It's true. Definitely. All right. Well, at one time was like you need about basket was absolutely not get out of here. Don't

 

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get behind.

 

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I can't afford to carry a basket in here. What are you crazy?

 

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What are you trying to do to me woman again, I

 

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can't afford a basket. Stop it.

 

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Sorry, Susan that she handed me a basket and then I woke up at home.

 

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That's Yeah, I don't know. I blacked out. I don't know.

 

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I don't know how I got there. No, no idea. Right. I'm kind of glad there's no there's no bookstores in in bartlesville. I am sad, but I'd be there a lot. We we have a local bookstore here. I have never been in it. That's it. We have one either not supporting your local economy column. Wow, wow, yeah, no. Wow. Well, this is where I had the problems with Amazon. But But every time I go down to Tulsa or like a few weeks ago down to Oklahoma City, and I was like, you're driving around, I was like, oh, what else to do? I mean, there is a Barnes and Noble not that far away, but we don't have to go. But unfortunately is close to my heart broke, but I mean, I mean, yes. But it's called we have what's called a reader. It's called readers world. Readers a world. Yeah. And world. It's part of a group of businesses called book in toy of mid Missouri. And they are a loose collection. They're loose collection of stores, so they I don't know if they're owned by the same people. Or they're just kind of a group that group buys and stuff like that but um Yep, so readers world Sedalia there's a readers world warrensburg but they're also members with play to learn Quincy books and toys downtown books too. And downtown books. What? Okay, whatever anyways confusing and there's actually no website so fun

 

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cool. Yeah.

 

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So we need to cope with a challenge I think for either next week or the week after. Oh, a challenge you say? Yes. Why? I don't know. We just haven't done one we haven't done one a mother's nose dive to their skin. I don't know if that's a I don't know if it's a watch something or get something or Do something.

 

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I don't know. I don't know what to think. Then. Did you have anything in mind since you're suggesting one? No. I mean, that's unfortunate. Normally the suggester No, no, I just thought, I

 

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don't know if we need to like, I was thinking maybe we could all watch the same thing and then talk about it. But I don't know. I'm okay with that. Okay. I don't know what it would be. Okay. It could be something. I was thinking it could be something brand new, or maybe a favorite of ours that we that we rewatch, or something that we each recommend. Never have to watch. I think we should start with one thing. I don't think we should eat do anything. Well, right. Right. Oh, yeah. Anyway, that's all that I had on that. Well, all right. Well think about it and then yes. Okay. Okay. Don't think about it. Okay, to be determined. Watch the thing. Okay. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Yeah. I like I like, yeah. I think we need to watch something. Again. I don't know what it is, but that's all I have. Okay, we'll figure it out. Okay. I was gonna tell you since you're talking about dogs earlier, I don't I got this. These posts have been around for a while, but I think I just saw one this week and it made me think of it. Have you seen those things? those articles that are like, what dogs looked like 100 years ago versus today? Yes. And I seen those pictures. I was just going down a rabbit hole, because yo and someone had posted a post was it. Oh, it was I mean, we're in. Shockingly, we're in a lot of groups on Facebook, man, oh, we someone posted a picture of their dog and someone else had responded with a shame what they've done to those breeds. And then a fight ensued, which was always fun on Facebook. Hey, go ahead come in your way. Yeah. And, and I went down a rabbit hole trying to find a breeder that bred dogs closer to what they were 100 years ago. Yeah, they don't exist. Yeah, no, they don't because it's so different. Yeah, for a lot of different it's, it's really weird. The dog is insane. I think I mean, the boxer. The one that really is just mind bending to me is like the bowl. The one I just sent you a link to the thing that I was looking at earlier, not the exact one that I saw earlier this week, but it's close and some of the same pictures. But yeah, the boxer is so nuts. That's what made me think of earlier when you said boxer and I was like, Oh yeah, why don't I think of boxers? Oh yeah, I think I think one of the saddest ones, I remember is the German Shepherd. German Shepherds used to they used to be 55 pounds right that was their breed max. And they would spend all day running and all this stuff now German Shepherds today are still pretty bad a but when they're pushing 100 pounds that's not the same dog enormous right? That's how you like that to this this thing. I just it just has the pictures only it doesn't have that stuff. But like that's it has to is like the dog used to be like sleek. Oh, and the Bulldog especially right. The Bulldog is just a wreck now. Ridiculous. Well, and same, same thing with the St. Bernard St. Bernard's can Not do what they were originally bred to do anymore. Yeah they physically are unable to do that work because they overheat immediately. Yeah, it because it's a virus yeah they grew up in mountains and stuff but in cold but even then modern St. Bernards don't have the physicality required to do that and they are so easily overheat in anything. Yeah.

 

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Wow.

 

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Oh no, it's it's sad. It's really sad because all these other dogs it's like, look how good they look like pugs still look ridiculous but most of these dogs Yeah, I mean, I mean yeah, the pug space was less ugly. I smell terrible. Like, yeah, no offense. Anybody who's a pug owner? Sorry. I would like to know what happened to the bull terrier? I yeah, right like that one. That one is to me, because that's a good that's the weirdest honor years ago and then And somehow they got rid of the bridge in its nose. And like it. It's so yeah, that dog yeah messed up now. I don't think I have never been a person that likes a modern Bull Terrier. Like even like, you know, spuds Mackenzie like it's a dog man. I'm sorry, but oh my gosh, I don't see it. Yeah the fact that there's just like no bridge. He's like all one big football head is really weird. Oh, St. Bernard. Yeah, there was another article I saw earlier this week they had like text with it. Yeah. I'm sure if you just Google dogs 100 years ago, V today, right? You can see. Yeah, but I was years ago. You know, I was just curious if there was anybody around, trying to do something about like had personal observed something along the lines or was breeding out trying to breed out characteristics of them. But it's so hard because they're so inbred that there's no Vasia that's genetically engineered was that? Yes, they did. They have destroyed a lot of the diversity, because they just breed for like one really weird trait that now it's a strange like some of it's like, how did you Why did you pick that? Right like the German Shepherd, right? Why did you do this? Why? Why is why did you decide that this is better? Like how did that right? That's kind of that thought process. How did that come about? Like who decided that the Bulldog needing to weigh three times as much as originally did and just not have a face anymore? Like when did we decided like, that was a great idea. The German Shepherd, its back obviously needs to be sloped at a 45 degree angle. That is that is good, right? It's like no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, no, this is it's both. It's both fascinating and extremely depressing all in one. Yeah, it's just so it's so weird and I don't know, just some of the choices that these people made again, like with the bull terrier, what on earth Why? Why did you do this? And, and the other weird part is that you've accidentally bred and all these weird side effects like the Bulldog like basically can't breed anymore. Like impossible. Right? And, like, all these dogs have, like you talked about earlier, terrible times controlling their own body temperature. Yeah. And they can't like run, like what's the thing that the boxer was designed to do was run and now it cannot do that because mainly No. Well, like the bull terrier it's got destroyed its nose. It's got this weird. Like most of them have this weird, like psychic break where they must chew on their feet at all times or something like that bad knee or tail biters, I think is what they are. Anyway. Yeah, I've heard that they do like chronic they just like compulsively bite their tails and they cannot stop doing it. Yep. Wow. And so it's weird to like, what trait is that tied to? Like, how do these kinds of weird like genetics rabbit hole to like that that's tied to something that you bred for? Right? Was that expressed? Oh, yeah. I mean, yes, yeah, that's true. Gotta be the inbreeding, probably the inbreeding but like it's tied somewhere in there. And so when you did that, it just like broke it. And something weird has happened. When you do that, you've brought out some thing because it's It's tied to it right? Like, well, it's like the foxes. Right? My favorite genetics experiment of all time. One of the Russian foxes, right? There's a book that I really want to get and read about it. It's called like how to tame a fox and build a dog. I think, everyone what? So there's this ongoing Russian experiment. It's been happening in Siberia for like, well, like 60 years or something. It's a very long time where this guy has been. Hi, Aaron. Hello, what? Have you heard of this? A negative. All right. Tell me anything. And I mean, this also the same place that I wanted to make superhumans out of. So gills fair. I said link by the i like i like Brandon. Love this. So much. I'm fascinated by it. It's crazy. So he's he's basically taking wild foxes. Had a team of Oh, and he's been selectively breeding them for decades now. Before he initially started breeding only for temperament, that was it. Only temperament? Is this dog. Is this Fox. Nice? Or is it? I mean, is it? Will they want to like cuddle you? Or is it trying to like bite your face off? And what started happening, even though he was breeding exclusively for temperament. Different things started happening in these foxes. Right? The nicer they became and the more genteel they became around people. The more domesticated they became. They started expressing different physical traits, droopy ears, different color patterns just showed up out of nowhere, basically, like, I don't know where but they're tight. Like these modeling these other things started expressing themselves right? They started getting Yeah, all sorts of all sorts of crazy that, to me that was the most one of the most interesting ones was the color explosion, where it's like, they all were red with black tails. And now they are everything, you know, a lot of things like all these crazy color patterns, and they're like modeling and gray, like that blue color think it's just, it's the craziest thing. So all these other genetic inheritance, things are tied in and express themselves even though you only selected for behavioral things. Mm hmm. Right. And how they're tied in together. And again, this is a super long running, exporting, they did it for 40 generations of, of boxes. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy. And it's just kind of these weird things about You know, they talk about how dogs became domesticated. Because a lot of people are like, well, how did this show up? How did this show up? You know, how did how did this dog look like that? Well, boom, just kind of showing how the crazy genetic variety that just shows up when you start breeding, or you start doing things only for temperament. So, you know, one of the theories about dog domestication is that, you know, it was just temperament. These dogs were these wolves were nice, or, and they kept them around because they would interact with humans, okay. And the ones that, like the foxes that he had, that he didn't kill that were because they euthanize the really aggressive ones, because he did breed some like purely for just aggressive traits. Now, they also did like weird things, too. Yeah. Yeah, he did it. He ran it in both ways, just to show like of the extremes. Yeah. So he did. Basically they would walk down the cages, put their hand next to the cage and then based on the reaction, they would determine if this dog gets to live or die. And they only did an even of the ones that they allowed to. They said were nice, quote unquote. Of those, they only selected 20%. So it was really narrowing down hard. But the one like the most benign, the most genteel boxes got picked. But he did do it in the other way, in some extreme cases where he was like, Yes, I'm gonna breed the most aggressive foxes together and see what happens. And yeah, they also develop their own kind of traits, their physical, their physical representation changed based on the behavior that yeah, it's, it's, it's absolutely wild, and I'm fascinated by this experiment, and I just love it. I really liked it. I, I read about all the time, so I definitely want to get this book, but this is a this is a good article. I think I've read this article before, but I've read again, so good No, yeah, I've not heard. I'm looking at the book. It's on Amazon. Wow. Yeah, that's what it's on my it's in my cart right now. Or on my wish list. Yeah, it's just just this crazy. Like, I was so interesting. All that extra stuff that showed up that they weren't expecting right now. It's just like a tails became different. Their ears became different. Different colors happened, you know? Yeah. And I think they end up linking a lot of that to just I mean, it's niceness, quote unquote, being linked to a whole cocktail of hormones in a dog's body. And when those hormones are, some of them, it was when they were overexpressed, it's when color changes happen in the coat and when they were under expressed, it was a default color of their of the wild calculation. But yeah, also those played into when certain hormones were being released like, Oh, I forget which one I forget, I remember what it was, but like, it basically changed the composition of cartilage when it was present in the body such that that's why you got the droopy ears because this hormone wasn't what either for eating was or wasn't being expressed to a certain extent. And yeah, that is you said the tails got droopy because the cartilage was physically different or apps in certain cases. Yeah. But it kind of makes sense because, you know, if you're now this Fox doesn't have to fend for itself. It is more genteel. And it's, it has developed this bond with this other thing that can help take care of it. It doesn't need hypersensitivity in its ears, because it's now not constantly on the lookout for food vendors because it knows where he's coming from. Right. It doesn't necessarily have to be Be able to adaptively camouflage to its surroundings anymore. Because it's not trying to hide from people. Right? It's, it doesn't have to hide and slink around and, and be hidden to try to catch food. Its colors can just kind of be relaxed and be whatever because it's just gonna get fed from somewhere. Right? So these things, even, you know, it kind of makes sense a little bit to think about like that, because it's not necessarily when they're overexpressed. You have this overindulgence of this hormone. It doesn't need to be, you know, hidden in the woods sneaking about doing vulpine things. It can just like laying around and there's a there's a little bit of sense it kind of comes into anything. Well, I guess that you know, yeah. Yeah, well, and and now well, and then you then you look at most modern dogs, and you couple the behavior with these looks, and they're kind of just perpetually a puppy. They don't they don't they don't get they don't go through this maturation phase of you get prolonged is true. They are bred to kind of be in permanent adolescence. Yeah. It's weird when you think about that, because you know, you look at Fox, you look at wild boxes or wolves what you know, it's like, yeah, there's, there's the distinct, you're a puppy, and then you're gonna eat me face like there's a switch that habits and they never modern dogs don't ever get out of that puppy phase. And it's because they are bred to have these higher levels of docile hormones. And which, which keep their ears and tails and all that stuff the way they are and in polite to those behavior. Yeah. Which makes it easier to be around as humans, you want them to be around and you know, there you go, just perpetuates the cycle. Yeah, but the fox experiment just kind of shows how crazy fast it happens. Right? Right. Yeah, cuz it was just a few generations he started noticing these things happening. Yeah, well, like It was so fast they just did it they became expressed which is just so cool. Like I just like Oh, yeah. Interesting. Wow. Yes. Okay, I think we found our challenge. Make a dog next week

 

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hold on

 

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check out your local department conservation you can get have a heart traps and oh dear rock on guys out here. Wait a minute. Wait a minute challenge that's exactly at the gold But yeah, dog. I need a little more than a week. Okay, fine. Fine and Chuck will be mad. There's another dog. Oh jealous boy. No checkers still to be determined challenge I tune in next week and see if we remember

 

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making notes.

 

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Babies safe calm remembers to look at his note at least here

 

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that is a start.

 

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Very good well enjoy the rest of your weekend and week.

 

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Certainly give it a try.

 

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You as well we'll be in touch