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Brandon, Collin

Collin  00:05

Welcome to Old Brother, a podcast of three brothers trying to figure it all out. It's your host, Brandon, Colin, and Aaron. On this week's show, ask to unmute. Hi. How are you surviving in your 1935? Well,

Brandon  00:29

you know, it's a hot

Collin  00:32

hour. I didn't tell you this, but our our our local schools canceled until the next Monday.

Brandon  00:40

Okay, that just makes me angry now. Yeah.

Collin  00:43

Yeah. I really debated on telling you and then I figured I should probably full disclosure.

Brandon  00:51

I mean, we're under an excessive heat warning. Until I think Thursday night. Right. Like, you know, listeners for context. It is currently almost nine o'clock at night. He feels like temperature is 94 degrees.

Collin  01:09

Okay. Gross. Disgusting.

Brandon  01:14

And still no air conditioner for me. Oh, yeah. It's lovely. Lovely. Today feels like temperature. 103.

Collin  01:27

But you were staying cool with with mice and a fish. Right?

Brandon  01:31

I guess. So listeners. My plan today was I sent Alan a text message that said, today I'm gonna party like it's 1935 and singing the Prince song in my head as I was typing typing that, right. They brought me some big box

Collin  01:54

bands, which, you know, don't really help very much.

Brandon  01:58

So I thought I have to do something. So I took a big giant bucket of ice and I stuck it in front of my fan. Right. Now, I was as a science teacher. I was somewhat scientific about this. I decided what? How will I know if this is working? So I took a thermometer. And I put one time I have a thermometer behind my desk. Right? As one does, as one does. Who doesn't? Does I mean, everybody should do that. It's fine. But then I had another I dug out one of my small thermometers. And I put it about five feet in front of the fan with ice. And I waited about 30 minutes. And the temperature was about two degrees colder. So it wasn't really that much. But it was

Collin  02:55

cold. I mean, that is something. Kent degrees, two degrees when it's 103. Outside.

Brandon  03:04

You know, my room temperature was at. Okay, well, this afternoon, it was like the eggs in the morning is about 80 degrees. This afternoon. It was it gets up to like 8485 Yeah, it's not pleasant, and it's humid in there. Tomorrow. I'm going to take my little slinky micrometer to measure the humidity in my classroom. That's gonna calculate the feels like temperature inside my classroom. Based on my thermometer on my those things that groundwater, that is my science. For tomorrow. Kids are gonna be like reading I'm gonna be twirling a thing. Like what are you doing? Things?

Collin  03:49

Never you mind? Yeah, those are those are so cool looking.

Brandon  03:55

I know. They're really fun. I

Collin  03:57

know. Do you have the? Do you have the one where the two pieces are flat? Or is it like that big block of wood that sticks out? Yeah, so

Brandon  04:07

I don't have a I bought these for the kids. I bought some for the kids to use last few years ago. Okay, they're they're like not that I want one of the ones that looks like a level, right? It's like, big square. Looks like it should make noise when you spin it around 1930s toy, but I have the one that it's basically just two little flat thermometers is

Collin  04:26

sit back to back. Okay, yeah.

Brandon  04:30

And you get you put the wet bulb on one and you spin it right. But I want the one whether they're like side by side. That's cool. That's just cooler. It's more sciency looking. Right. But I'm definitely using slings micrometers because I want to know, but today we were talking about the scientific method and how you go about asking questions and solving problems. And I was like, Oh look, a real life example for us today to talk about

Collin  05:00

Let us look over here now.

Brandon  05:03

Yeah, I did I was pointing to when I was like your bucket, I, you know, I need what I really need is like a metal bucket. Because the metal would be able to stay colder longer the plastic bucket I have, yes, I don't have a metal bucket, and I don't know where to get. And so I really want to go through all the trouble of doing that. But it worked. It kind of worked. And the kids like stood in front of it. And like you know what, it does feel a little cold over here, like you see,

Collin  05:32

indication.

Brandon  05:35

I also dug out, I took a little I found a bottle, like a little I don't know how big it is like 100 mil bottle, like this little just plastic 100 mil bottles have lids on and

Collin  05:52

I filled it with water. And I stuck it in the ice. Ice left it in there. So that

Brandon  05:59

kind of in between classes. And during lunch, I would just take the bottle out and like stick it on my neck. Absolutely Oh my head, right and then I put it back into using the high specific heat capacity of water. For my benefit here right, keeping it cold for a long time doing the thing, right? So it was not my solution to the rock. Gotta continue looking. I can't decide. My classroom windows are like slightly tinted. Right. So I don't know if it would benefit me to put like white butcher paper over the windows anyway. Get a little make sure the light isn't coming in. Because I have the curtains the shades drawn, you know, there's just like, pull down shade like the one of the cartoons where you like rolls up and then like yes, Sylvester rolls up in the thing like that, right. So I have some of those and they're definitely closed, because we're keeping all that light out of there.

Collin  07:02

Get that key down there. But I don't know if

Brandon  07:05

putting any additional paper on the window would be a benefit to me. I mean, I don't think it would hurt really hurt.

Collin  07:13

No, no, what you need to do is you need to put the put, you know, put the tin foil on it and then put the backing of the white paper in have your curtains don't

Brandon  07:23

have that much tinfoil. Oh, I think I only have like one roll. And a half three windows solid workout. What I really need to pick your favorite students. Yes, sir. What I really need is I need to become dad. And I need a dehumidifier.

Collin  07:40

No, you do.

Brandon  07:43

It is really humid in there. Like you could feel it. And it's really gross. And it's really annoying because the second you go like in the hallway, it's better a little bit. But I'm not the only room upstairs with no air conditioning. Right. So that's like the whole all the rooms on my side of the hallway are are not working right? Oh, me Oh, and the math teacher. And the CA teacher all of our area is not working. So no sixth grade class is air conditioning.

Collin  08:14

So that's fun. Yay. But like, I went

Brandon  08:18

downstairs to go get more ice at lunch. It was much cooler downstairs. And I was just like you're all that cold air sinking down the stairwell? Right? Or

Collin  08:29

your? Oh, no. Allegri Well, I mean, that is one downside of running the fan across a bucket of ice is that it tends to push out a bit more humidity into the room

Brandon  08:43

as the outlet. I mean, it was already human in there.

Collin  08:46

And sure, like, it's like, what

Brandon  08:49

can I hurt, I can lower the temperature even like half a degree it will feel less humid, you know. So I have two fans angled. They're kind of on the same wall, but they're angled like diagonally towards the middle of the

Collin  09:02

room, just to try to get some air circulating, right,

Brandon  09:09

I might need to do the Mimi thing and put the other fan on the other side and get the vortex going right and so she

Collin  09:16

shoot the air over there and then it shoots here.

Brandon  09:19

But I don't know if I need a third fan if that if I was gonna get that to work properly. I needed another fan. I did find the desk fan that I use for one of my science experiments. And I rigged that up to my desk. So at least like when I'm eating lunch or in between classes, I can at least sit down and have a fan like right directly my face.

Collin  09:40

And again at that point, every little bit helps every little helps, especially when you're doing something to cool it and just that air movement. We do all know that sometimes there's just a three speed band

Brandon  09:53

three, I don't mind is not 12 inch it's only two speed ah and it doesn't oscillate. But you know, it's fine. I guess. It is more you can like it's very movable, so you can move and all kinds of different articulating. It's a two speed articulating. That is not a catchy song.

Collin  10:20

No, no, unfortunately, they're gonna have to take that back to run it through a second time. Yeah, I

Brandon  10:27

need some workshopping on that, but I was humming that song at my desk today. Just Just so you know.

Collin  10:35

It's, it's a it's a good. It's a good one here.

Brandon  10:39

Apt also.

Collin  10:41

Very, yes. Yes, yeah, it's Yeah, so I'm doing see

Brandon  10:50

if I can make it work. I really want a dehumidifier.

Collin  10:54

I would settle for buckets of rock salt. That would be useful. I should ask.

Brandon  11:01

I should ask the maintenance guy because we have salt that

Collin  11:03

we put on the parking lot. Like, hey, hey,

Brandon  11:07

can I have a bucket of salt to add humidity on this air? Yeah, I'll just gonna cover it as sit over in the corner. Cover with like a towel when you sit over there? Yeah. That's why I want maybe now was so big that I probably need like four buckets

Collin  11:27

that I was going to ask, or would you need? multiple smaller buckets? are apt to expose more surface area as opposed to away? Yeah.

Brandon  11:35

Yeah, maybe multiple small buckets would be okay. Just give them spread out. Right? Just suck up some of the moisture. It's so high there. But then the best way to do that would probably be to close the door. But I don't want to close the door. Because one of my fans is like I got it sitting right in the door to kind of blow air from the hallway into my

Collin  11:55

rear door. Yes, yes. Because I mean,

Brandon  11:59

the air in the hallway is less hot and stagnant. So I'm trying to blow it into the room. I don't want to close the door. That would be bad. But also, maybe I just need to blow my hot air out. Turn the fan around. Get it out of here.

Collin  12:23

Well, so that's always the that's always the conundrum right? Do you point the fans that you blow the hot air out and use it as an exhaust? Or are you trying to blow cooler air in to the room

Brandon  12:33

point I might try exhausting. Just periodically tomorrow.

Collin  12:39

Right? Just flip the fan around what I should do. I should get another box fan.

Brandon  12:46

stack it on top and have them facing in opposite directions. I'm sure that would be totally useful. But the idea sounds funny to me. I've got the bottom one drawing in air and the one on top pushing the air out.

Collin  13:03

Well, what you could do actually is the one on the bottom is blowing what kind of air in cool air. So you'd have a box fan that suspended from the top of your door frame as true it needs to be about three feet higher than the bottom fan. Exhausting. Exhausting the hot air out. Oh, hi to the full room exchange.

Brandon  13:21

Oh, yes. I'm fairly string heavy enough to hang that thing off the door. I have some braids, little slime. I can braid the twine. So I have twine but I don't know if it's strong enough. But I could braid it. Because that will increase its strength, multiple fold. Right? And then I can potentially Aang the fan by the door. And then I could spin it or I could hang it from the microwave

Collin  13:53

stand. Like gasp Oh man. Yes, yes. Did they give you a timeline as far as when this is going to be fixed?

Brandon  14:05

No, no, I have no idea. Even though I know I know that. Like Like I mentioned my air conditioner is fried. It got struck by lightning. Allegedly. That's what they that was that's the diagnosis. It is posted. Right. So allegedly, they have found a replacement for me. But it's in Oklahoma City, or Tulsa, one of those two places.

Collin  14:37

I think maybe I'll consider that. That's where it is located.

Brandon  14:43

The closest distributor or whatever, I

Collin  14:45

don't know. But then we have to have like so they if they get it. It's got to get here. And then they have to figure out like The

Brandon  15:01

crane situation, because I gotta get something to hoist it up onto the roof and hoist the old one down. Obviously,

Collin  15:08

that's important part of this plan. Right? But

Brandon  15:13

so getting that scheduled will be our plan. I told the maintenance guy, I was like, Look, I have a lot of sixth graders this year. So if you just give us like, eight police, I think we can probably make this.

Collin  15:32

Let me talk about leverage. Yeah, right, we can

Brandon  15:36

think we can get enough force multiplication through pulleys. That like a whole bunch sixth graders just hoist that sucker right up there. We'll just put them to work. It'd be fine. If that played was funny, but I don't think anybody else would go with that. Well, see, that's

Collin  15:55

the problem. That's why they're, you know, in those jobs, yeah. Yeah, that's, uh, I don't really know, timeline wise. What we're looking at.

Brandon  16:09

Luckily, he advisory expires this week, we'll go down to the high of only like, 87.

Collin  16:16

I mean, when it's basically 20 degrees cooler than what it is right now. I'll take it.

Brandon  16:21

That's true. That's true. That's only like five degrees. Warmer than it's inside my classroom right now. So

Collin  16:32

it's pretty much, you know, yeah. Not too bad at all. Yeah. So

Brandon  16:39

you know what I should have done? I think about this, too. When I left tonight, I should have just left my door open. And turn the fan around to exhaust the air out.

Collin  16:49

Yeah, I should have done that. Yeah, just left the fan on. But I also know that you close your door for like, security reasons and other stuff like that. Oh, yeah.

Brandon  17:00

But I mean, we don't have anything in there yet. Right. If they want that. I don't want anybody stealing my thermometers. No. See my fossils? No.

Collin  17:10

But yeah, maybe tomorrow. During some times,

Brandon  17:14

I'll flip that thing around. experiment that way. I really, it's more ice just for fun, because it's helpful and keeping that bottle in the ice bucket was at least beneficial for me. I sent that for

Collin  17:28

huge benefit to you. Don't discount that. Sure.

Brandon  17:33

I got a lot of questioning glances this morning, was strolling down the hallway with a bucket. Like what do you what's doing? Like, don't worry about it. Fine. I have a plan. Right.

Collin  17:47

Everything is fine. Fired. It's mostly okay. Right? Yeah, it's fine. Well, we we were struggling to stay cool. When we went to the bear on the last day.

Brandon  18:02

Yeah, the hottest day, you mean, like 110 degrees? Like,

Collin  18:06

go to the why not?

Brandon  18:09

Like, what's the worst that could happen? heatstroke that is that, you know, as always, they could have I think

Collin  18:15

there were a few people in the party who were kind of kind of close to that. But I will say that, my son, Noah, before we left, I packed a little bag. And I said, No, what's in the bag? And he said, Well, it's going to be hot. It began about five. What's been a month, about five weeks month, some change. Prior? Our dad had given me a bunch of those cooling rags. It's just a strip around your neck.

Brandon  18:46

Oh, and yeah, I used to have some of those. No, Where'd I put those packed

Collin  18:52

all of them in his little backpack because the only thing he wants to take to the fair because he knew it was gonna hot, gonna be hot. And he knew these would help. And so I had in my backpack. In my backyard at the very bottom, I had a little soft cooler that I had packed with some things and that's where I had was storing our our water bottles, or double insulated water bottles that were just crammed full of ice. And I knew that like was trying to like map out like where the water stations are. Where's the freezing? Here's, here's the thing. Here's the thing people do visit the Missouri State Fair. There's a building called like the Family Fun Center or like the Family Center or whatever. It is one of the only air conditioned buildings on the main drag. And at the very back, have a water fountain with ice cold water that comes out of it.

Brandon  19:44

Oh yeah. So like unless several 100 People are using it for water No,

Collin  19:50

no form. If nobody does, because nobody knows about this. Nobody. There was no line. Every time we live in there to refill their water bottles, no line Yeah, so then it was like, Oh my gosh, so like, I'm, I'm like, I was kind of that weird guy where I'm taking our cooling rags and like putting them underneath the trees. Because it was cold

Brandon  20:14

war, you know, I was like no,

Collin  20:16

I this is necessary and like passing them out to everybody in our party and going on a adventure and exploring. But man, it was just it was just brutal like the the hike around and of course you're out on the asphalt and this the sun, it's the heat radiating up below you and like, and then it really truly was where it's like, oh, look, the wind is blowing. It's like I would rather the wind not right now actually, I'd rather it's just replacing the hot air with hotter air. And I'm because my skin is actively cooling off with my boundary layer around my body. So it just, it was fine. We got to see everything that we wanted to see. Nobody succumb to heatstroke. However good to get here is here is the part that nobody planned for. And I didn't either. It's the last day of the fair part of the fair's fun things is that, you know, it's a big area. And one of the things that they use to move people hitherto they're in yon are these giant trams that are pulled by John Deere tractors. Yes. Okay. So we're going to these run at regular intervals. And as we're going further into our time, at the fair, I start noticing, I'm not seeing these as many times as I was when we were here earlier, like how to trans, right. And then I remember, Oh, they stopped running the trams at five on the last day. It is now approaching two. Oh, I bet they like slow these puppies down to where they're like, we'll just have to out. And then we'll have one. And it'll kind of go. Well, so we talked to one of the people there. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, they slowly pulled these out throughout the, throughout the afternoon. And they said run them whenever they want to. And I was like, Well, we are as bout as far away from our car at this exact moment as we can be sold. And given the members of my party. Ah, I think I'm going to go hike back to get the car. And then at that point, if it's a tram came, that's fine. I would just go meet them at the other exits, and then pick them up right there as opposed to have to take another one into the

Brandon  22:40

Yeah, but you could take the train to the car and then meet them on the side. Yeah.

Collin  22:44

But if a tram did not arrive, I would just come and meet them up at this other entrance slash exit with the car. And that's exactly what happened because all the transit stopped.

Brandon  22:55

Nice. Oh, nice.

Collin  22:57

Yes. So we got rescued out of there. And I will say the methodology of keeping the insulated and we refilled these these insulated like little thermoset water bottles several times throughout the course of this like they were emptied and refilled a lot. Both of them still had ice in them at the end of the day. So I was very impressed with these things.

Brandon  23:27

Pretty good. That's pretty handy.

Collin  23:30

Do we survive the heat?

Brandon  23:33

That's the other problem I'm having. Right? It's like how do I dress for heat? Inside? Right, like, I don't prepare for this. I don't know. Like, it's weird. Like it's so hot that we're not going out to recess. Yeah, right. Number one. It's just it's literally like extreme heat warning. So that's a good number two, it's not like we have a air conditioned room to come back inside to buy, right? It's all gonna be like, we'll be outside getting hot. We'll come inside, where it's hot is not a good idea. Right? So we have to stay inside all day. So it's like how do you dress for heat indoors? This is not something I planned for. I don't have a wardrobe conducive to it.

Collin  24:22

Yeah, you don't have like those sport tech, like ultra like wicking T shirts and I have a couple polos that are like golf style. They're like really thin, right?

Brandon  24:38

They're like a messy thing. So they're not like mesh like not like that, but like they're like a lightweight, sporty kind of like Polo. So I have those. I have a linen shirt that I just bought. That's handy, right like a short sleeve linen shirt. Like the annoying part. Here's something I'm thinking about today. I through this flawed logic that I totally came up with right now. I am the only person in the entire elementary school that is required to wear pants. Oh, yeah. Because there are only two male teachers in elementary this year.

Collin  25:23

And one of them is the PE teacher

Brandon  25:28

who does not have a dress code? Really? Oh, right. PT. Yeah, all the other teachers are women. And now while pants are part of the dress code, most of them this week have been wearing like sundresses and stuff. Yeah, Mommy says it's 1000 degrees everywhere. Right? And so it dawned on me that I am the only person Oh, no, in the entire elementary school that is required to wear long pants.

Collin  25:56

Oh, sorry. today.

Brandon  25:59

So I mean, obviously today. I like especially during my planning time, I was just like Huck Finn style I just rolled and pants right up. I don't care.

Collin  26:08

No, no, you bring up bring back I'm telling you. Zip ups, you got to bring the zip offs. And then I don't have to pull off and let him like hanger edge.

Brandon  26:17

And the other thing was the principal was like, oh, you know, this is like in, in teacher land. Right? listeners who are not in education fields, right? In teacher land.

Collin  26:29

The biggest reward possible is to wear jeans to

Brandon  26:35

work. Right? This is like to go to because all teachers want to wear jeans. They never let you but everybody wants to. Right? So she was like, the principal's like, oh, you can wear jeans and I was thinking that's going to be even hotter than my pants. Why? Because like my dress pants are lighter weight material.

Collin  26:56

The denim. So, so

Brandon  27:01

with 84% humidity outside. Okay, why on

Collin  27:06

earth would I want to know, that's terrible. That's a bad idea. That was hired immediately.

Brandon  27:17

I'm just gonna wear my normal dress pants. Because a lighter weight material than Majeed. So I'm gonna wear my school t shirt today, because it's like we on Wednesdays we wear the school t shirt or whatever. Like, I'm gonna wear my T shirt today. But I'm just gonna wear my normal dress pants because no

Collin  27:38

reasons Fight me, right? Yeah,

Brandon  27:40

I was good. Do it. Oh, my gosh.

Collin  27:44

That's hilarious. That's I mean, yeah. Wait a minute.

Brandon  27:50

This is a bad play. Time and it was like real cold. They're like you can do that. That makes sense to me. Right? Denim is not like a lightweight fabric. No, no, it's, it's marketed as like, tough and rugged. That Levi's logo is Two Mules. Not being able to pull the jeans apart. Right? You ever looked at it? That's what the Levi's logo is people it because it's for mining and like tough and rugged and remote. 40 Niners and Gold Rush blah, blah, blah. Like they're not to be destroyed. So they're like, tough, rugged, thick. Why would you want to wear that when it's 100?

Collin  28:31

But they're still breathable.

Brandon  28:33

They're not. They're not though. We ever worn soggy jeans. Oh, you're out in the rain in denim. literally the worst a pleasant experience. No, they did. Have you remember you over the swim test. jump in the pool wearing your clothes. Right? You remember

Collin  28:57

that? Right? So that's, that's wonderful.

Brandon  29:01

So that's, it would be like that. Walking around in 84% humidity. It would be like the swim test for was that like, there's a swimming Mayor badge, I guess? Yeah. And boy scouts listeners, we had to jump in a pool.

Collin  29:15

fully clothed, and like

Brandon  29:20

makeshift fashion floatation out of our clothing. Yep. Right blue jeans, like jeans and a long sleeve shirt. It's been so cool. There you go. That's I didn't know about this test. And they may be jumping in jeans and a sweatshirt. Like a jersey. Like a Russell you know, started with old school starter like sweatshirt. Like is this jump in?

Collin  29:46

No. Right to the bottom. Right.

Brandon  29:52

That's what it's like when you're walking around 84% humidity, jeans. That's the image in my head. Is that swim tested summer camp?

Collin  30:05

Yeah, I mean it well just like you said like imagine now teaching like that all day long. Why not? I went that'd be fun. Yeah, true teaching and

Brandon  30:15

humidity drinks gene so I pass on that. Where am I normal dress pants and just trying to find the lightest shirts have imaginable, right? So look at my polos. I have some like Western style button down shirts to some of those are really light. Mostly I bought the heavy duty ones, because they're like, I wear them more in the wintertime. You know? So yeah. Whoopsie daisy. Mountain Time for flannel right now. That was not no. I have a couple lightweight ones. But I wore one of them on Saturday because I went to a birthday party and like it was hot. So I was like this. The shirts light and wearing it.

Collin  30:58

Of Yeah, we've been we've been trying to keep all of our staff cool and like been rerouting and replanting a bunch of visits and moving visits you know, way earlier if we possibly can. Yeah. So it's just it's and we had to had one staff member who, who did not drink enough water ended up getting pretty sick. So I was like, Oh my gosh, okay. Really, like you don't have to go out and bake in the sun the entire time. It's okay to not do.

Brandon  31:39

Yeah. Drink, hydrate, right. It's the best way to keep cool is to hydrate is you got to you're going to sweat. And the sweat evaporating from your body is what cools you down. So if you're not sweating that's bad. Right? I think I drank a over two liters of water today. Turned out we're right. By water bottles one liter. I think I drink little over two liters of water today.

Collin  32:07

inside. Wow. Wow.

Brandon  32:13

Maybe just under maybe I didn't finish that second one. I remember. But yeah, somewhere around there. i You gotta you gotta

Collin  32:18

drink. Lots of water. It's too hot. Okay. It is not? It's not. So yeah, we're surviving the heat. Not a whole lot other to report here. Unfortunately. It's just kind of been shrunken along. Yeah, no, it's been. We've we've been just hiring a bunch. Now. We were talking to one of our one of our someone else. And they're like, Oh, how many people do you have in your service area? And we were like, nine? And they were like, how do you feel like you're understaffed? And we were like, yeah, and they were like, they're really well, like, just remember, like, Christmas is coming. And I was like, I know, I really don't want to think about it. And they're like, you probably need like, 16 people. And I was like, I don't I can't

Brandon  33:17

stop talking. Just I

Collin  33:21

just can't. And so we we were trying to talk to people about like, Are you experiencing this? Like, are you experiencing this kind of high turnover? And, like, nationally turnover rate across like all companies is somewhere around 30%, which is pretty high. If over the last year. The people that we've been reaching out to they've experienced like 130% turnover, ah, like, whoa, like, Chow, like one person was like, Yeah, I hired with it. They had a team of like, they had like a team of 20. And they were hiring to fill open positions and of hiring 12 but they lost 15. And like, like, there was almost a complete turnover of her entire company over the last year. And I was like, yeah, like, that's kind of us too.

34:09

So it's just, it's a weird, weird labor force out there and trying to go like, always asking, like, Could anything we can do better? Anything we can do better?

Collin  34:24

And then going, Okay, well, if it not that we're going to be we don't ever want to be stubborn, right? And be like, No, our hiring practices are the best and nobody in if you don't pass them, you're awful. Being being mindful of going, um, we need to be adaptive to them and what their expectations are. And, you know, I see headlines all the time that say, you know, 40% of industry, you know, companies say, you know, the next generation isn't prepared for the workforce. And my brain kind of goes like, does that mean that 40% of the companies aren't put Where to work with the upcoming generation? Like, is that the problem? Because that could very well be the problem of you have a wild generations are both like, fictitious and also very real at the same time. It's kind of funny how that is like, you have some people it's like made up and like, yeah, I got like some people like it's like, well, even if here's the funny thing of, of, even if there there are truly no generational differences, like true scientifically provable generational differences, everybody believes that there are, so you have to work in that context. So it's kind of like, alternate. Yeah,

Brandon  35:38

but it's yeah, it's weird, though, because not to go, John Paul Sartre on you here. But like, if everybody believes that the differences exist, then they exist. Yes. Like, they're not real. And they're, like you said, there's no empirical evidence to show that there is any sort of difference between a person that's 70 and a person that's 25. The fact that both of those people perceive there to be differences means that there's differences.

Collin  36:12

That's a good point. Okay. Fair. Yes. So, because that there, there are these perceived differences that that create this reality? Like, you have to ask yourself, always ask yourself, again, I saw that headline, and it just made me kind of sad, because we have hired some amazing people across every generational spectrum. And if you talk to other people, they're like, oh, like, no, like, Gen. Gen Z's are terrible. And I can't understand Gen Xers and you know, those millennials or whatever, and it's like, and now you know, with with, with alpha coming along the way but like, like, I just, we've heard so amazing. Gen Zers. And those are the ones that now everybody's complaining about being in the workforce force, which is funny, because everyone was complaining about millennials being in the workforce. And now Millennials are hiring chintzy ears. Millennials are going on those Jen's ears. I'm like, I, I think I think it's I think it's a lot of the company's fault for not like, understanding the driving motivating factors of that people coming in.

Brandon  37:24

Yeah, I think that's true, right? Like, I mean, it with the millennial people, right? I can only speak to that, because that's, I guess, mathematically what I am, I think I like it all at the very beginning of the millennial generation. So I do really self identify with a lot of Gen X ideas, because I had a lot of older friends and a lot of older things, right when I was a kid, but like, anyway, that being said, Gen X in my heart and a lot of times,

Collin  37:52

but uh, like, you know, a lot of

Brandon  37:56

a lot of that stuff that they talk about, sometimes I hear that is true, right? Like our whole, our whole childhood, we're basically just lied to about things, right? Like, you if you do this, you'll be successful. Everyone does it. No one's successful. Oh, we're gonna save the rainforest. Nope, we're gonna save the planet. Nope. We had like, Captain Planet was an actual cartoon. FernGully exists. And we talked about all these things. And we're like, oh, my gosh, this is so important. We're going to work hard to do this stuff. And we want to have these values and we want to say things and everyone went,

Collin  38:34

nope. LibDem. So like,

Brandon  38:40

what do you do after that? Right? Fine. All the things that I think are really important. Everyone else thinks are dumb, and they hate them. And they won't let me do them. So I quit. Right? Like, that's the attitude that people adopt. It's Yes, the struggle, right? And it's that way, with every generation after that, right? Because everybody, like there are some perceived, like, values, right? Because like, you kind of form these core values and things that you think are important and idealized, when you're very

Collin  39:08

young. Right? You know, and so then you carry those forward. But then

Brandon  39:17

society changes around you and you just feel like stuck out there. Right? And so when somebody else comes up with new ideas, you're like, What do you mean, what happened to mine? Where did you find this very odd, like, thing and you're right, I think a lot of people become tone deaf to other people's like needs, right? Just because they don't understand where they're coming from. Because like when their values were created, like the needs of the newer generations didn't exist, because, like the world changes like so quickly, like every year, it's like an exponential rate of like change. Ange, right? Our graph would ramp up very quickly moving to the right, right, like, so. Like, your ideas and values and things get solidified in a very narrow band on that exponential curve. And so by the time the next people are up there is is like way over here. And it's like very different. And you have trouble,

Collin  40:23

sort of relating to that. Because you, like missed a bunch of

Brandon  40:30

steps, right? Because you were still back over here. Oh,

Collin  40:33

yeah, it's very much like I'm staring at this from a couple of different perspectives of like very much one, right, like I have I have kids now coming up through school, and it's like, well, I found myself being like, Well, when I was at school, I was like, well, that doesn't mean anything these days. Like, that's, that's not important. And then I panicked, because I was like, I haven't bought like a, quote, unquote, school outfit in, I don't want to mention how long like I have no idea. Like, I genuinely don't know any of those trends or any of those things. And that's sure I haven't stayed up to date on that, because I don't value it or think it's important. But it does mean that when I have to step back into it, or when I am interviewing people have not immediately going like, Well, they didn't dress as I expected. So therefore, XYZ or they're not doing what I expected, then I have to check my expectations and go, are my expectations. reasonable, but then even going like reasonable, as opposed to like, what are compared to what relationship to what and kind of having some of that background of, of just being hyper aware. And ultimately, it is a judgment call, but going well, if this is something that I can work with, and you know, everything else lines up? Why not? And sidenote, Tim Curry in FernGully did not have to go that hard as hexus whenever he was singing song. I just, you said you said that. And I immediately went to well, that whole that whole movie is just phenomenal. And I absolutely love it and makes me sad now to think that what didn't happen? Oh,

Brandon  42:17

no. See the episode acid rain for warfarin Billy. Right? We

Collin  42:22

guys have no like My goodness.

Brandon  42:27

Yeah, right. If you think about it, if you think just like environmentally impact things, right, just to go on that tangent for a minute. Like we had a lot of media that was focused on that, because that was like a big concern. Right?

Collin  42:37

And then it just gone. Right? Where to catch a planet go? Nobody knows. Right? Disappeared? Well, as you mentioned, like acid rain event was a is a faith that like, Oh, my goodness, like, that was that was the destroyer of worlds. And we were going to lose all of our monuments. Yeah, like it was this like this big thing of like, Call to attention. And I'm sure some of that is because of the call to attention. A lot of these things were mitigated to some extent, but also, they were just dropped like a hot potato.

Brandon  43:11

Well, I mean, yeah, that's another good example is like the ozone layer, right? So, so like, this is an example of like, this weird phenomenon where the news will only tell you like, the bad stuff. Okay. And acid rains kind of it falls into the same category, right? Like, there was the whole the ozone layer, that was a problem. Okay. And then we signed a bunch of environmental treaties.

Collin  43:38

And it got better. But like, they didn't tell you about

Brandon  43:43

the part where it got exactly, exactly Nobody followed up. Like, they don't follow up and tell you the part about like, how it's like, slowly healing and the whole is much smaller than it was in like, 1990 to two. And, you know, it's, you know, in maybe 30 years or so, it could completely reform. But we have to keep monitoring these levels, because, you know, you know, not everybody agrees to climb it treaties, right, like, you know, how that works. And so, you know, certain countries don't like I didn't sign it, whatever. Right? And so kind of can come back but like it's a very long, slow, ongoing process, but like, based on all of the action that was taken 30 years ago, it kind of is helping answer like, the same thing with acid rain, like it was a it was an extreme problem. And then, like, we did a bunch of stuff and we talked about emissions and we did things and it made it less are we going to follow up and tell you that it's less no more just go? No. Have to imagine? I don't know. What happened to that acid rain? But that again goes back to like the follow up problem, because then like people don't like think it's real, right? They're like, Oh, that was never that big a deal anyway, like, actually it was, right. Actually, it was a big problem.

Collin  45:22

It was, it was real bad.

Brandon  45:28

But now 30 years later, like, you know, the kids are like, I was so lame. You believed in acid rain, like, Yeah, cuz it was there. And if you mess around, it will come back. You'll have more acid rain again, which you don't want to want believe me? Yeah.

Collin  45:48

Yeah, you don't want that? Not good. And that's about so yeah, it's trying to figure out, like, when I'm doing the onboarding, I'm doing the training. And you're figuring out what people's needs wants desires are, and it is a fine balance. Because I, I was a world worst employee, like, I never went to, like, oh, it was kind of like, whenever I was in college, I didn't go to any I didn't have a lot of school spirit. Like, I didn't do spirit days. And I didn't do that stuff. Like I just wasn't, I wasn't there for that aspect of it. But I know that many people are it's very important to people, it is part of the culture of those places. Same thing in the workplace. When I was when I was working of like, yeah, they had all sorts of gatherings and get togethers. And I didn't go to those a lot, because that wasn't what I was there for. And I kind of expected all of my co workers and my boss, but I didn't really want to go to the picnic. So I did. So I get it whenever. Because all the coaching gurus and stuff like oh, the reason you've got so much turnover and bla bla is because you don't have you know, commonality you don't have. You're doing face to face stuff in you're not doing buddy buddies things and going out and hanging out stuff. And it's like, but like, I don't, I don't want to do that. And so I can't be I can't be sad or mad. If we do that. And nobody shows up. It's like, well, yeah, that's, they're not looking to me to our company to fill that void. So that's not important to them. And that's okay. But also, like, just come for ice cream, maybe like it's just breed.

47:40

Anyway, it's all

Collin  47:43

topsy turvy. That's kind of our big thing right now is getting a couple people on boarded. And through the training process, and trying to just keep our foot mash down to that to continue to bring people are rapidly even if we don't necessarily have a place for them. Because we know in another three to four months, we will and I mean

Brandon  48:10

that not even three to four months, right? Two months, probably.

Collin  48:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's okay. So I was thinking like, towards the end of the year, but it

Brandon  48:20

is now I mean, starting around. Yeah, it's August. So starting in November. Yes. Right. It'll be pretty much yeah, that's when it will start right.

Collin  48:30

So yeah, in two months I you know, what we've kind of figured is yes, we need to have not just our current capacity but then like, basically doubled it like or half again, of what we're needing. And

Brandon  48:44

that doesn't that sound Yeah, no, we're also actually you got to think about to which Labor Day is only in like, we don't write don't do it.

Collin  48:58

Don't even talk to me about labor day because it's going to be an absolute nightmare. But anyway,

Brandon  49:02

always is because that's another that's another holiday it's like not real. Right? I think about Labor Day as being like I'm gonna make a big trip and travel like kind of my problem with before the July right I don't think the Fourth of July is like a real travel holiday. Like just hang out any hotdogs and watch fireworks that's what you do labor days like you don't go to work for Ironically, when I used to work in the factory, we definitely worked Labor Day. So like, that's funny, but like, you like it. I don't think about like, oh my gosh, it's a Labor Day weekend. I'm going to go on a big trip somewhere. Like what? Why? Why would I do that? So yeah, even even then, like, people just do it. I know the weirdest times maybe? Who knows Colin maybe Halloween is a secret travel holiday that I didn't know about and everyone's gonna be gone. And

Collin  50:01

I can reasonably say after 11 years of doing this, that Halloween is not one but quiet. Except for the people who go, well. I want to go let's go. They here's here's what does come up. Halloween is kind of close enough to Thanksgiving. Let's go spend Halloween at grandma and grandpa since we can't see them for Thanksgiving this year, that actually has happened

Brandon  50:27

that has happened. I mean, you know, it's officially fall in the middle of Halloween, right? So there's that.

Collin  50:36

Weirdly, as it stands right now, this coming weekend is way more crazy than our Labor Day weekend. I'm just looking at some. Let's think about me for now, Labor Day. Now. This is where like, we're frantically like pumping out emails and newsletters and social media like please, for the love of everything. Like, you've got to do this. You must book as early as possible. And people won't be fine.

Brandon  51:08

Of course not. They will. But then, you know what, they won't get their pets.

Collin  51:15

They won't. And you know what? It's like, man, it's it is hard to know. Like, I understand emergencies come up. Like we just just yesterday taking care of a client and she was traveling to see her dad. And he ended up passing away while she was out over there. And she had to suddenly extend for another week. And it was like, I understand that kind of thing. And emergencies happen. But when people go, Oh, yeah, I'm going away on a two week vacation. Can I and that's like tomorrow. Is that okay? I'm like, Oh my God. Like I know angry. You're so angry. Yes. Sometimes. That's insane to me. Like,

Brandon  52:03

first of all, as a poor person, as somebody who just has like, like, random disposable income to be like, You know what? I'm going on a trip for three weeks right now. See you later. Like

Collin  52:19

don't even go because I've done this before. If like, how much did you buy that plane ticket for? Like, how much did you like to watch? Oh,

Brandon  52:26

answer that question. Oh, upset me greatly is right. It will make my teacher salary cry. Like I know the answer to your question.

Collin  52:40

Yeah, it's not. It's not fun. So yeah, this weekend, seriously, like every day, we've got basically 30 ish visits. Good gravy. Thursday through Monday. And then next Friday and Saturday. It's more like oh, 23 and such like, whatever. Whatever.

Brandon  53:07

That's crazy. Who knew?

Collin  53:22

Speaking of journeys Oh, ah, hold on. You're muted. No, no. Ah, what happened?

Brandon  53:37

Oh, no. No, my back. Hi. Okay. Why did you do that? I couldn't even read that. There was so many popups it was like press Alt H

Collin  53:55

went I can't live like this. It hurts. I went to grab the window to move zoom. So I can make room to seat this document. Just muted you. And then I couldn't unmute you can only ask to unmute. That is the most unhelpful button.

Brandon  54:19

Why? Why on earth would it say this is this is a design fail zoom. I don't know what you're doing here. But the fact that you muted me and then you could only ask to unmute me is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of like I didn't mute myself. Right. And you can't be like oh, please unmute because you muted you did it and then couldn't undo it. That was ridiculous. I couldn't even read the first one. It was like some weird thing about pressing Alt A which doesn't matter. Why would you what is that key? And then then all of a sudden, something else was on there. And then a third pop up would just said unmute.

Collin  55:07

In blue, and I was like I, yeah,

Brandon  55:10

I guess I don't know what's happening

Collin  55:12

frantically. Like, the mute button is, first off. As much as Zoom is used, I'm surprised this isn't better. But like, I hover over your name, and it says, the mute button and the more button are the exact same size. So if I hit more, it does all sorts of things like rename a co host, a lot of record multipin, put in waiting room, remove report chat as to video. If, but if you hit the mute button, all of those more things stay the same. And the mute button just turns to ask to

Brandon  55:49

is very

Collin  55:51

quick. No, but I actually deleted that.

Brandon  55:57

What is this design? What? Why would you do that? If you're the host, you should be able to mute and unmute people

Collin  56:03

at will. This is what I would think is the most sense. But who knows? Right?

Brandon  56:13

Any anyway, speaking of at will actually that doesn't that's not a very good segue. It's,

Collin  56:19

I'm just gonna say back to my amazing transition.

Brandon  56:22

Yeah, right. They go. We come at last to the end. Right? We are on the final chapters of The Hobbit. Right. And so we are we're at the end here, right? The chapter what is 18? Yeah, and the return journey. Okay. Now, we need to talk about the cop out. That is the end of this book.

Collin  56:51

Okay, well, so in between chapter what was 17 and 18? Yes, there's a bit of of of handwave Enos to this because last we were with our adventure. I Bilbo was crying out to the Eagles. And he fell with a crash from a rock that was being thrown and you know, more.

Brandon  57:13

And so basically what happens is Bilbo gets knocked out. And this is the whole fight what is the token just like, oh, yeah, the end this somehow. Anyway, it's like

Collin  57:37

it, it really feels like he was like, I'm not going over 20 chapters, like there's no way I'm going over 20 chapters. And like to, to put this up in comparison against the rest of the chapters where we like, again, thinking back to the laborious nature of like leaning

Brandon  57:58

back to several days past as they sat in a cave,

Collin  58:03

and of nothing happening, and then contrast that with the extreme detail of like Bay Orns place and like, how much this stuff and this is just like well, anyway, here he is, and someone's going to now we do get a little bit of Well, as you know, Bob, kind of exposition done here to Bilbo Baggins.

Brandon  58:24

Yeah, he gets, like, filled in, like Gandalf was it goes like randomly with his bag of thing. But hold on. First of all, Bilbo gets knocked out. And ironically, wearing the ring. So he's invisible, which is which is a great plan to be knocked out. Not being able to found because people are looking for him. Yeah, right. You know, that's kind of what happens when he wakes up if he hears somebody like yelling. And he is like, oh, so they've actually been out looking for him for a long time. He's been knocked out by this hill.

Collin  59:05

Poor planning on his part. What happens if you're invisible and you're injured? Right?

Brandon  59:09

Yeah. Apparently you lay on the Hill for many hours. Then.

Collin  59:15

Many hours? Yes.

Brandon  59:20

But to me, we find out that he is needed. Right. So they usher him down to Dale. Right where Gandalf is there. Gandalf has even lightly wounded Right. Um, but it turns out Thorin is dying. Right Whoopsie daisy, what happened to Thorin you don't get to know Sokka it's just like yeah, he's almost dead now. You're okay, we do it man. But we do get the completion again. token is big for dem shingai Yes, big redemption arc, every character gets a redemption arc. And so Thorin

Collin  1:00:08

gets to talk to below. Before he dies, right?

Brandon  1:00:13

He gets to basically apologize and say like, Yep, I did wrong by you Bilbo. I'm sorry, I would like to apologize and I wish to part as friends. Right? And so Bilbo, you know, accepts this apology, but it's it's very tender moment where, you know, he like Thorin has come full circle. And he realizes that he was under the influence of, you know, Dragon sickness or whatever. And he realizes that Bilbo was very true and Bilbo sacrificed a lot for him and that he treated him very badly. And so he gets to have this redemption of apologizing

Collin  1:00:53

to Bilbo before he dies, which is very nice, right? Well, yeah. And Thorin has this phrase of, if more of us valued food and cheer and song of hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. And you think back to all of those moments back through all of this journey of where does Bilbo mind keep going back, right? His home, food, being with friends, like that's literally all he's thinking about. Even while he's on this adventure, doing helping agreeing to do this stuff, his mind and priorities are back on these simpler things. And to know that here at the end, Thorin truly recognizes that. And I'm sure, you know, along the journey has chided Bilbo or, you know, laughed at, you know, His Holiness, in some ways is now, like you said, realizing the impact that his greed the gold last the dragons gold had on on him as a person. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Brandon  1:02:01

So you kind of get it wrapped up here a little bit, right, which is nice, right? Again, thorium gets redeemed at the end, he came out of the mountain, he came out to fight off the host. He, you know, acted like a king. Now, his final act is humbling himself before Bilbo, which is very interesting, right? The most, you know, just the Hobbit, right? That's the only theme and lat tokens work right? This small, really make a big difference. Right. And that's really what Bilbo did here for all of the tours,

Collin  1:02:32

you know.

Brandon  1:02:36

And then we kind of move on here, but it was very sad. He's grieving. And he gets kind of filled in on what happened before what happened while he was laying out in the middle of field around the hillside. So you get the Cliff's Notes version of the battle, which again, very weird like you said, it felt like talking was like Alright, I'm done. I don't want to write let me read The Silmarillion here we go publishers quickly, is what it feels like it's a weird you get like the Cliff's Notes version. They're like because they're sort of telling Bilbo what happened you know? So you know the Eagles cam they crashed and sorted and scattered the goblins and not just Eagles but they are in shows up himself. Yes, they are different defeats all day for guests crazy. air rises the

Collin  1:03:34

this is very much a like a sudden realization of you I didn't really know or still don't know. Like, what what's going on with a yarn? Like what is because like, even all of the eagles were having trouble and then like, he shows up and it does mention that he's grown to gigantic size because of His wrath and rage. But also like, what really is it in my mind peeks of like, okay, like there really is something special or something very, very unique about the bay yard and I wish we knew more about it here given his role in truly turning the tides of have literally just one

Brandon  1:04:19

person. Bad person. Well, one giant bear person. Such as any person of shapeshifting bear person, rats, but yeah, he like completely destroys the bodyguard, this unnamed bodyguard of Bolg. It's just like tromped by Bayern chomps Bolg himself, right. Bella the goblins and they you know were defeated in fled right Bay on before Beyonce wrath.

Collin  1:04:52

Right.

Brandon  1:04:55

And so, the, you know, the elves kind of followed some off and the Eagles kind of left and you know, picked off some goblins on the way out. It's like, Oh, there's another one. You know, and they got it from there. But we do get a small hint here that, you know, Thorin was wounded in battle and Bay orange sort of picked him up, took him out, and then came back in to, you know, fight in his way he was right, which is interesting, right, based on you know, so I must have made a big impression on Bayern, because they are not a fan of dwarves. No, you know, and so he didn't really like the dwarves he didn't really care, you know, if he's very aloof with them, but he does come to their aid. And he even so much as he takes Thor in from the field of battle when he's injured, you know?

Collin  1:05:50

So, it goes on to say specifically, they aren't stooped and lifted Thorin. And I don't know who how many like it also, the stooping related I don't know if this was but like, for Thorin, the king almost like this, this bowing this posture of of, you know, he's stooping to help, but it's also this kind of bowing, getting down low for somebody. So it's interesting. Yeah, exactly. What's, what's going on there? Yeah,

Brandon  1:06:20

there's like a reverential context to guessing right a little bit, right. You think about it, because it mean, not only do you have to literally lean down because they aren't as enormous. But also the kneeling low before the king, right, which is an interesting, kind of double read on that. And so they kind of move on, and it's like, they're gonna bury thorn in the mountain. They barred returns the Arkenstone. Very similar to Arkenstone. The elf King returns Oakcrest sword that he got from the goblins. Right. He returns that authority. They marry that with Thorin. Right. It will learn that Dane, who is the cousin right? Uh, Thorin is going to be the king under the mountain now. Right? And we just it just sort of goes talking here. And then it's also like, oh, yeah, Fili and Kili died too. Are you just like

Collin  1:07:23

had fallen defending em?

Brandon  1:07:25

Yes. Just like anyway, they're also dead. Like what does that little cliff note? Oh, yeah, by the way. There there's only 10 doors now. It really killed it Anyway, moving on. Ridiculous it's just like oh, yeah, yeah. And then we get kind of like a rundown of what happens to some of the treasurer

Collin  1:07:52

divvying up the here's the legalese. Right.

Brandon  1:07:55

We get the dip. We didn't really clearly didn't get a death scene. But we get the divvying up and among the treasure to all the parties involved. That's really important right? away some goes to the master of Laketown. And the elf King gets a little bit here and Bard and the men get some and you know, all this and they give Bilbo a little bit. And you know, they're like, you know, we're not gonna give you the whole thing because we have a lot more people to share it with and Bilbo his response is actually like, Ah, that's good, because I didn't really know what I was gonna do with it or how in the world I was gonna get it home anyway, so that's fine with me. I

Collin  1:08:38

said I have got how on earth should I have got all that treasure home without war and murder along the way? Like again, it's just like, very very practical and like also very like yeah, how would you transport that much without people finding out about it?

Brandon  1:08:53

Yeah, isn't that far because it's not close by right we had two months to get here and then getting all that home would be terrible. And then even skipping ahead slightly it even makes reference later on that the two little boxes that he had the horses don't like carrying it because it's too heavy.

Collin  1:09:11

Too heavy. Yes.

Brandon  1:09:15

Not do it all to get out right. But then we get the we get the goodbyes because Bill knows he's ready to go. He's like ah, am done right so we get some nice goodbyes with the crew here. We get some more wonderful Dwarven compliments I like May your beard never grow thin.

Collin  1:09:39

Again, these are great. These need to be introduced into our modern day lexicon more.

Brandon  1:09:44

Definitely right but may your beards never growth in he says farewell to the dead right to Thorin and Fili and Kili. And, you know they're, they're dwarves aren't really very eloquent at this kind of thing right now. It's interesting here the juxtaposition between Fallens last words to Bilbo and build those last words to him and the dwarves. Right?

Collin  1:10:12

I found this interesting. Because Bollin says, If you visit

Brandon  1:10:17

us again, when our halls are made fair once more than the feast shall indeed be splendid. Right? We're going to really wow you with the hospitality and wealth of the dwarves. Yeah, right. And Bilbo says,

Collin  1:10:33

if you're passing my way, Don't Bother to Knock

Brandon  1:10:37

tea as a foreign. Just like, yes. Just come on in. It's like, I don't have any grand jury or splendor. But I will offer you my home, which is the most important thing to me. Right. So you are welcome in my home anytime you want. It's just very interesting. Like they both saying the same thing. But there's very different context to how they're saying it to each other. Yes. Yeah, I find that interplay very interesting.

Collin  1:11:10

Then he's leaves, right? They leave.

Brandon  1:11:12

They marched with the doors for a long time, or the elves, and they are in a barn, right? And that kind of makes people feel good. Ah, yes. All right, this is us. They go a long way. They are able to go like around the North Road around kind of the mist. Mirkwood. Right. Yeah. Instead of going back through the forest road, like, we're gonna go around the top. So they go,

Collin  1:11:38

which I love because again, they're with the elves there with AORN and Gandalf. And they're like, no, no, not Mirkwood. Actually. Actually, rather not quite

Brandon  1:11:50

enough excitement. Let's just not go there.

Collin  1:11:54

I just, it makes me laugh. Like you have like, all these people, and you're like, Oh, wow. Like Mirkwood really is not something to be messed with.

Brandon  1:12:02

Yeah, it really is bad because the elves who live there like, yeah, we'll go around, we'll

Collin  1:12:07

be fine. I love this part where Bilbo is, you know, they're parting ways between the elf King and Gandalf and ELF King and Bilbo. Bilbo offers him this gift and the kings like, what? Why are you giving this to me? And basically build us like, milk. It's kind of in repayment for me stealing all of your things. Yeah.

Brandon  1:12:32

Just trying to say I'm sorry. Yes. All the burglary and the jailbreak. Here you go. Yep. Speechless. Right. He's like, Okay.

Collin  1:12:45

Awesome. Bilbo the magnificent. Yes. l friend

Brandon  1:12:47

and blessed. Right. So and then they they part ways there. They kind of continue along. They there still was hardships, but it's like, yeah, it was a little rough. Going was tough. But they kept going. Anyway, they went with bay or and all the way back to Bay orange house. And then they took the high road over the mountains, back to Rivendale. Right. That's kind of their path. They're kind of just reverse ordering their path. We get a little bit of wrap up here about you know, Bay on becoming like, important person and stuff here. And it's like all safer because they aren't becomes a chief right? And

Collin  1:13:31

of the bears that then go hunt out the last remaining bits of the goblins in the mountains, right? Yeah,

Brandon  1:13:36

wild lands between the mountains and the Mirkwood become a bit safer, because the goblins are kind of run out by Bay yarn. And they get up and that this chapter sort of ends with their standing. It's interesting, it's interesting place to in the chapter, right? Symbolically, because they're in the path of the Misty Mountains. Right? They're on this this path up at over the Misty Mountains and they're here, they're really on this divide, where if you look back to the east, you can just see the Lonely Mountain beyond the Mirkwood. Right? But if you look west, you can see the Shire. Right? So he's like right on this so he can see everything and everywhere. He's been in the last like year basically, because let's not forget this story takes place over a very long time.

Collin  1:14:29

Some days past. There was some time later, right.

Brandon  1:14:37

And so we get, he's getting to see standing at this height and he can see everywhere he's been right. It's very interesting because now now that he's on the way back, The chapter ends with this little interesting sentence here. The Turkish part was getting very tired and the Baggins daily getting stronger. All right, well, he's like adventurous, boisterous side is done, it is tired and it is exhausted, but the Baggins part the part that likes sitting and tea and all that stuff. It's growing in strength because he's getting closer to home. Right? So it's this weird duality of Bilbo. Right? Which is also interesting because he's standing on a mountain gap. And you can see the duality right like the Turkish part is to the, to the east, to the adventure to the mountain. And the Baggins part is calling him to the west. Back to home, back to horse, right. It's a lot of interesting little wrapping up here in a very interesting way.

Collin  1:15:46

Well, the sentence right before that I just I absolutely love this as well. When he said he's looking back towards home he's looking back over to the mountain which now has its highest peak snow yet unmelted was gleaming pale he says so comes snow after fire and even dragons have their ending. And then you pair that with his two halves the two fish and the Baggins going there is this cyclical nature of coming and going like it is very much a repeat coming back onto itself and now he's returning back to his he's eager to turn back to his life and that part of like an even dragons have their ending like I just because this entire time and it all folklore dragons are this like insurmountable long lived, like extremely powerful force. And this this note of hope of like, even them, even them will come to an end at some time. And to those lucky few who get to see us like it is something Yeah.

Brandon  1:16:55

That was good. Anyway, anyway, the last stage

Collin  1:17:03

literally, literally,

Brandon  1:17:04

literally, literally overnight team, the last stage. We're back in Rivendale. Again, weird.

Collin  1:17:10

Singing elves are so so much singing.

Brandon  1:17:14

Oh, odd. I don't really know. Anyway, sales are singing. And they get back and then Gandalf and L. Ron, you're talking and Bilbo kind of overhears him. And we get a little bit of where the world Gandalf went. Right. You get like a little blip here of Where did Gandalf go? When he was gone from the fellowship, the company sorry, the company of fellowship is wrong. My bad?

Collin  1:17:43

Yeah, you get that he was in the Mirkwood dealing with

Brandon  1:17:48

some sort of necromancer driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood. Right. So there was some other threat in the area at the same time. And Gandalf went there and with some other people with it just says here. There had been a great Counsel of the white wizards master of lore and good magic, and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from the dark hole to the south Mirkwood so you don't really get a lot of context about what that means. Who are these people going on? What happened but you know, that kind of makes sense with our if Bilbo is narrating and writing all this? He just sort of overheard some snippets of conversation so he doesn't really no either. And get I was like, Yeah, it'll be fine now. Anyway. Better corner. Yeah. I do like that. Yeah, this part right, get off was on some serious business. And then like this little left next part here, where these darn elves are just sinking so much. That bill wakes up and he's like, why are you still taking what time is?

Collin  1:19:12

That what No, by what time by the moon is this specifically? Because yes, he's been very much like calling out again, like it's very late. Your lullaby would have waken a trunk and Coplin yet I thank you, because he still can't help himself because he loves elf singing but he also at the same time. He's very tired.

Brandon  1:19:32

Yeah, he's like, I just want to sleep. I've been so far. And they make fun of him a little bit. They retort back like Yeah, well your snores would wake a stone dragon. And yet we say thank you, right. And so he's just like, fine, whatever I'm going back to as he sleeps till late morning, but this long, although I'll be slightly interrupted sleep in the house of L Ron does help to bridge Even ATM, right? The Elven magic is seeping in and sort of rejuvenating him and helping him convalesce a little bit here. Interestingly, we don't know this yet. Right. But like, the parallels here are interesting to what will happen in spoilers for Lord of the Rings incoming as if there hasn't been enough of those already. But anytime people are convalescing and healing and trying to get better, they're in

Collin  1:20:30

Rivendale. Yeah, right.

Brandon  1:20:33

So this L Ron and the house of L Ron in the what's going on in the elf magic of Rivendale does seem to be a very healing place. Right? Even if there is too much singing happening in The Hobbit here. We it is fine, get a little glimpse that L Ron is is kind of known for healing, right and this kind of thing. And, and people go this is where a lot of, you know, Frodo wakes up here more than once. Rings, many times, mending mending, right? So we get kind of a little sneak peek of that here as well. And then basically, they're just like, Alright,

Collin  1:21:10

let's go.

Brandon  1:21:14

And there's just the last, the last bit here is just sort of like, Yep, it's a different season, because it kind of just kind of giving you how long they've been gone. Because it talks about like, you know, now it's a different time of year. So the rivers are different, and the terrain is different. And then you know, there's more water because of the flooding and the summer and all this stuff. So you get really a scope. It's not really until this point where you get a scope of how long it's been since he's been at home. Right. That's what this little part is. It seems kind of weird, but really what it's talking about is it's kind of letting you know how long he's been gone.

Collin  1:21:58

Right. That's interesting. Right? It's

Brandon  1:22:02

a It's interesting way to talk about that.

Collin  1:22:06

giving you these these context clues of exactly yeah, just because you debt gets lost track of and it is it is now setting. Again, these reminders of Yeah. Remember these these points we keep talking about of? Yeah, we've talked about all and we've talked about winter, and now we're talking about springtime and this coming and now summer like it really is Oh, right like it. But if you don't pay attention to that you do lose track of exactly what's going on. Yeah.

Brandon  1:22:42

And he's been gone so long, that when he finally does get back to the Shire and Hobbiton he comes back in the middle of an estate sale. Ah, here's Sue's estate sale, you may ask

Collin  1:22:57

his kids. And as as as, as quoted here, if he was surprised they were more surprised still.

Brandon  1:23:08

Yeah, because they basically just figured he was dead because he's been gone for like a year and a half or something like that. Right? M E, they have been auctioning all this stuff. So he actually has to use some of his dragon gold to buyback his own stuff.

Collin  1:23:30

And I love again, this this.

Brandon  1:23:33

Oh, and it sorry, he did stop on the way and get the gold from the trolls that they gifted. To which to which the ponies were not happy.

Collin  1:23:42

To which Gandalf says you may have more need than you expect. And you're like, what could that possibly be

Brandon  1:23:47

a little foreshadowing Gandalf? By what is that?

Collin  1:23:50

Yes. Yes. And I will say yes. Here's where it says I love how it takes makes a point because you know, again, Bilbo was writing this of of says it was nearly lunchtime and most of the things had already been sold for various prices from next to nothing to old songs as is not unusual at auctions. Yeah. You could tell how peeved he is not just at the fact that things were being sold but for how little they were being sold.

Brandon  1:24:22

Yeah, it's like what do you mean my favorite thing was sold for no dollars that is

Collin  1:24:27

more insulting to him

Brandon  1:24:29

it's hilarious, right? But I also like in short, Bilbo was presumed dead and not everybody that said so was sorry to find that presumption wrong. Wow. Right. It's so rude. And then we get this weird like, just with make a point to notice that he never did find out where his spoons were. You He says the Sackville Baggins is stealing is overweight.

Collin  1:25:07

And they were never they were not on friendly terms with Bilbo ever after. Like, oh, and then says they had really wanted to live in his nice hobbit hole. They're very Yeah, he's mad that took a spoons, they're mad that he's still alive, you know, it kind of worked out.

Brandon  1:25:24

It is interesting like the next part right? Indeed, Bilbo found that he had lost more than spoons, he had lost his reputation. Right? He's now a troublemaker. Or even though he has now earned the title of L friend in the honor of the dwarves and wizards and all such folk, he was no longer quite respectable to Hobbes. Yes. You know, it goes on to say, I am sorry to say that he did not mind he was quite contented the sound of the kettle at his home was ever after more musical than I had been in those quiet days before the unexpected party. So he's like, Ah, they're gonna leave me alone. Nice.

Collin  1:26:13

Well, and just how much of a change has come over him of of this, you know, in Gandalf comments of that of like, like Bilbo, you're not the same as you were when you left. And really just this idea of, of him truly experiencing the world for that respect. Yes, losing risk losing, he didn't lose respect, he lost his desire for the respect of others, because of because of what had happened and the contentedness that he has now been, and to now think of just how, how he can sit at home, fully comfortable with what people think of him, where before, he was worried about what would be happening and who he would be seen with and all of that nature, and just how more at home, he truly is not just in his home, but with himself. Yeah.

Brandon  1:27:06

Yeah. So he's like, Alright, sounds good. So he sits down, you know, one autumn evening, so, some more time passes? Yes. Um, time later. We're below is writing his memoirs there and back again, a hobbits holiday. You know, it got to rework you know, got a title, you know, just there and back again, right. But, you know, the book that we're reading right now, what, what, that's really a weird theme for the two books that we've picked. They both turned out to be secret memoirs right because if we remember the outsiders is actually ponies high school paper that he's writing about. The Hobbit is actually build those memoir about his own journey with the tour. What an interesting theme we've saw on here this

Collin  1:27:59

is interesting wonder if we can go for three for for next and a half. Two now. This

Brandon  1:28:03

is how it's going to work right. Secret memoir,

Collin  1:28:05

secret memoir book club. Okay.

Brandon  1:28:08

I like it down. But he does hear a knock at the door. And my stars it's good often fall in. Like Yeah. Did you ever have is it Bollin was like yeah, I guess so. We'll show up for tea time, right. Sounds great. Just kind of get Phil's Bilbo in over tea about what's been going on. Right. You know, things are going good. At the mountain. Bard has rebuilt Dale and is doing stuff and Dale. Lake town is doing good. There's lots of trade and fruit and feasting and excitement in this right. The old master of Laketown though, met a very bad end. Right after Barr gave him the gold turns out the master was also susceptible to drag it sickness. And he tried to flee with the gold and died somewhere

Collin  1:29:21

around the waist. Anyways.

Brandon  1:29:24

deserted by his companion. But the violence like but the new guys pretty good. So that's good, right?

Collin  1:29:31

They're writing songs about him. That's very nice.

Brandon  1:29:35

Oh, and then this little in part is kind of interesting, right?

Collin  1:29:41

So good. Yeah, go ahead. You can say oh, no, I was gonna say Bilbo is just caught up in this and he says, Dad, those those old songs and hope prophecies band those those cannot be true. That's That's crazy. And get offers like, of course. And why should they not prove true? Why Why wouldn't they? You yourself had a hand in making them.

Brandon  1:30:04

Yeah, it's funny. But he does sort of mention like, do you after all that adventures? Do you think that was all mere luck? Yeah, just for your sole benefit. You are a very fine person. Mr. Baggins. And I'm very fond of you. But uh, you were only quite a small little fellow in the wide world, right saying, yeah, these things did come true. But it wasn't just, you know, it was for you. And it all of these other people benefited as well. Right? So you get little, it's kind of this vague thing, right of like, you don't really know what Gandalf talking about, because you can read it as like, you know, it wasn't just for you know, he's maybe he's just saying like, Oh, yeah, you know, this wasn't just luck. You know, you had a hand in helping all these people. But it's also kind of like, you don't think that that's just luck, because some of these prophecies are like, real and magical, right? It's kind of vague, where he leaves it here. Right? Like, like, this was either some sort of like, grand design, or, like, he just means. Yeah, a lot of people had a hand at doing this. You don't really? It's not very clear, right? Is he referring to the will of Allah avatar? Right, the creator of Middle Earth? He's like the supreme deity, right? Is he talking about that? Or is he just sort of mentioning that everybody worked together to make this happen? waemu.

Collin  1:31:39

Well, and another another part two of it's a little interesting, because it is it's meant as kind of a backhanded compliment to Bilbo or in some way here. Because when he says, You're a very fine person, you're really nice Bilbo, but you're only one person in this one little person. And there's all meaning like, devil, do you think you were the main character of this? Like, do you think this was all about you? And the answer, obviously, is the No, no, it wasn't it wasn't all about him. It wasn't all for his benefit. There were many other things that were came about. And we read about those, through all of these things, which Devo may or may not know about, but you know, like, Bay yarn and the the becoming the chief and the goblins disappearing and the Laketown prospering and all these things coming

Brandon  1:32:31

along, and you're building a dam, like driving under the mountain?

Collin  1:32:35

Yeah. It was like, Do you really think this was just about you becoming a burglar? Like? No, like, there's a lot more going on here that was in you were part of that, like you said, like, is this a bigger picture orchestrated kind of thing? I think most people would probably say, yes, but there is also this, it is ambiguous at this. And Bill, both responses, thank goodness, right? And he goes to smokeless tobacco jar, because he's like, yeah, yes. So we're left to to wonder like, does Bilbo really get that? Does he really understand what happened in this context? Or, or is he reading it just more plainly and going? Yeah, no, it was glad. Glad. It wasn't just me who anyway, that was smoke.

Brandon  1:33:17

Yeah, yeah. I think part of him was like, well, it doesn't matter anyway, because I'm home and everything's fine, apparently. So let's just be done. Right. But he could also be allude to the fact that you know, you are just one person. And he's, you could be thinking about all of his friends and companions he made along the way. And being like, oh, yeah, I am just one out of many. And we all work together to accomplish this. Because I couldn't have done it by myself, because I am just The Hobbit. Right. So it is interesting. It's a very nice kind of quaint, happy ending, but it's also kind of like,

Collin  1:33:53

aloof, a little bit. It's

Brandon  1:33:54

very open to several interpretations, I think.

Collin  1:33:57

Oh, yeah. Makes it kind of interesting. Yeah.

Brandon  1:34:02

But it's, it's interesting in that, like, it's also it's like you said, it's alluding to a lot more things, which is what, you know, makes Tolkien's work so interesting, because there is such a big wide world, outside and Middle Earth. And there you just get alluded to, like so many different things all the time. It's like, what does that mean? What he talks about? What does that why did that happen? Right? But there is explanations out there. For someone to find, right. But since Bill was writing this, he doesn't know that

Collin  1:34:41

boom. We did it. Oh, we did it. We finished with debt. We did it. Ah, yeah. I mean, you're, I mean, final takes overall thoughts.

Brandon  1:34:54

I mean, overall thoughts. Obviously I like it, right. I like it. There are some parts that are frustrating. That is when all the parts are like, anyway, sometime later that some of that gets negative, like annoying, right? And the pacing can be weird, right? But I think overall the story and like the theme of the story, and like all the characters are really not all the characters, right? Because you most there's like, there are all these dwarves and they're just sort of ancillary. They're just sort of like over there. Yes, you know, you don't really get any like us. You don't get really a sense of who they are.

Collin  1:35:36

Except for like, bombers fat. Alien kill the are young. And yeah,

Brandon  1:35:43

that's it. That's all you get. That's all the dwarf characters vollen is the nice one. Right. Thorin is very regal, and kingly. And then he succumbs to weakness. Thorin has a big arc. But then like the rest of them, like whining glowing, like what do they do? For him bomber there for Boffer Wallen right, like they're there, too. Yep, Nori, Dory, and Ori. loin, they exist, right?

Collin  1:36:17

Yes, they are also ends right up into the hands. So there are decisions like that along the way that I thought would be very interesting to find out, like, why there was the, in the sections where he decided to yada yada, yada, of the like. And then sometime later, like, what? Why was that? The part that you wanted to? And you know, and I guess it may take a deeper read of those parts. Maybe he didn't, you know, he truly considered them boring and unimportant. I mean, obviously, because they're not they're like, what, how did he come to that decision? How did he make that? And then there are things to have, like, did we need 14 divorce, like we need all of them, we need that big party doesn't, because it in the end, it doesn't do a whole lot other than that they're kind of this big family displaced on the hunt for a home and to reclaim their titles. But there are there are interesting choices that were made throughout that were like, it doesn't like, it's not that terrible. And it doesn't really do anything to like diminish the story. But it isn't an interesting choice to do that. Like, like, that's a lot of dwarves to have in there. Like it's a lot.

Brandon  1:37:36

Yeah, it's a lot of dwarves to have it there and then like not do anything. Right, right. Like, some of them carry Bombur in Parkwood. That's their big action that they get. Right most like, Bailey, Keeley are the only ones that do stuff they like, throw a rope that one time, because they're young. Yeah, cuz they're young. So they throw a rope, man, those whippersnappers.

Collin  1:38:05

And then they die. Wow. Cool. Right. Like, I feel like, Yeah, I agree.

Brandon  1:38:17

Some of it just feels like, there could have written a little bit more write about some of the dwarves. And even if you had a couple scenes about like, when they were sitting at a campfire and some of the other dwarves could have talked that would have taken up that much time. Yeah. Especially here there. We could have got some character motivation or

Collin  1:38:44

some background history. Right. You know.

Brandon  1:38:51

Now, right now, after this book, you don't know anything. Right. The only slightly interesting thing about any of the other ones is spoilers again glowin ends up being gay. Emily's father. That's important for later, but yes, you don't know that here. No, no, that now? Yes. So that that's an important so zipline is is important in this story for having a son that he never talks about. Yes, that's an unknown at the time of this book. I mean, it's true it might be it's probably is totally unknown at the time this book and I imagine that inclusion of Gimli son of glowing in The Lord of the Rings was just kind of like a fun little like, hey, remember that guy? Excel. You should know that name. So it's interesting that like, it's interesting that you would have you know, Bill bows nephew, and you know, Glines son, coming back coming meeting later, right?

Collin  1:40:00

And doing that. So that's interesting, right?

Brandon  1:40:05

So you get some descendants of this party meeting up later. Also, technically Legolas is the Elder King son. Yeah, yeah, you never really get that drawn out, like real to you. But you get a lot of second generation

Collin  1:40:20

meeting up in about

Brandon  1:40:23

50. So yours

Collin  1:40:26

come all back around.

Brandon  1:40:30

So that's interesting. I guess how some of that will tie in later. But, you know, who knows how intentional that was it during the writing of The Hobbit? Because that was not on his mind at the time. He was just like, oh, yeah, I've got this world I was put

Collin  1:40:41

destroyed. So

Brandon  1:40:45

yeah, I liked the book a lot. There are some.

Collin  1:40:50

like it does when you read it. It does feel like an old book. Right? But

Brandon  1:41:00

like, in a good and a bad way, right? Because it feels old in that.

Collin  1:41:06

This is like,

Brandon  1:41:10

the beginning of the like, fantasy genre. Right? So you don't have all these annoying tropes already hammered out. And they're not like they don't have to be included. And they're not put in there. Right. So you're like, reading a bit of genre history, right. And it feels it feels like an old book, but also feels like timeless at the same time. Which is also interesting, because Bilbo was supposed to have written this a very, very long time ago, right? So that's kind of cool, I guess. It's like meta narrative of this book was written long ago. And then, you know, Tolkien translated it from the Elvish, or whatever. And to the English, write that whole, like meta narrative about how the book is supposed

Collin  1:41:52

to work is cool. makes it feel old.

Brandon  1:41:57

Some of those parts can be forgiven when you do put into context that Bilbo is writing this. Right. So from that context of why did he leave it out? Well, they'd be they were just walking for days. And he was just like, anyway, that part was boring. It was, I don't remember that part. Because, you know, he started writing this like, a year after he got back. So yeah, I don't really remember what happened. There must not have been very good. Some time passed. But I remember this part where the dragging knock the door down, sometimes I read. So when you put it in the context of somebody writing this from memory, you know, starting over a year after some of the events happened, like

Collin  1:42:40

it makes sense. Yeah. But if

Brandon  1:42:42

you don't have that context, it can be a little bit

Collin  1:42:47

jolty you know, like a little bit wonky sometimes. Overall, I do like it.

Brandon  1:42:55

But it did take some getting used to because it is so different from tokens, other writing styles, right? You know, and I, because I've been reading like The Silmarillion and stuff. So when you read this, it's like the app. Sorry, but that's just me. Context problem, right? Yeah, that's my thoughts. I like it. It's a fun little journey. Right? It's pretty simplistic, by like, modern standards, but I think that's a good thing. Because you get one of the things about talking is like one of the things that makes a lot of it like comfortable, right and like, it's like very comforting and reassuring to read is like

Collin  1:43:36

the hobbits are just so

Brandon  1:43:41

I don't know what the word is. I'm looking for here, but like you know, you can relate to them so much. And having that character in that group, people being your insert character in the story, like really brings you in, right? You know, because like, hobbits like to be home. I'm like, Oh, me too. Like, I would like to eat. Oh, hey, me too. Yeah, that is their shtick, right? And that having them be your window into the world. And kind of going through the, your, their eyes to see everything is a really nice way to bring you in, because they're the most relatable character like you don't relate to the elves. Right? You don't relate to the dwarves, really. You relate to the Hobbit? And having them bring you in and just be like this comfortable introduction to this kind of thing. I think is good,

Collin  1:44:35

right? I like that part. It does take this crazy world that's so foreign to us and brings it right into something that we can immediately connect with because although we are not hobbits, we do see ourselves in that and especially in a character that is now out of place and out of familiarity with what in the world is going on like we talked about at the very beginning of hairs below. grappling with what is happening and being this stuff being thrust upon him, just as we are in that moment of all these doors coming into his home, and we are now grappling and we're hearing names and all sorts of stuff. He is our point person. And his characteristics are also our characteristics and learning to to know about those really makes it, like you said, like, it is very simplistic and is very, as large scale as the ultimate problem is, and the total destruction that happens. It is a sequence of very small personal, like victories, battles, things that are happening, that that get us that make the story a lot more personal to us, as well, as opposed to this in your right. Like, as far as big story goes, it's not this big, cosmic cataclysmic multi dimensional thing that's happening around us. It's literally a guy kind of walking in a direction towards the mountains. Like, it's, it's that aspect, like, okay, like, I understand that. That's true, right?

Brandon  1:46:09

And also, the fact that, you know, Bilbo really is just like, an ultimate like, good person, right? Like, it's just wants to be helpful. That's it. That's his big motivation. That's it. Why is he on this big journey?

Collin  1:46:28

To be helpful? Like, that's it, that's, there's

Brandon  1:46:32

no,

Collin  1:46:33

there's no, nothing else. He's just

Brandon  1:46:38

being awful. That's it. It's this very simplistic read, but it's also like that, that is like, the big theme, right? Of a lot of talk and stuff is like, it's the little person that makes the big difference. You know, and Bill was case, the literal little person, because he's a hobbits, right? But but on the news, leave, look at all of the stuff that he was able to help facilitate. And change the world is now a fundamentally different place, because of what Bilbo did.

Collin  1:47:09

Right. And he didn't do, you know,

Brandon  1:47:12

his contributions to a lot of stuff weren't even like that huge sometimes. Right? Like, you know, some of them are bigger than others. Other times, he was just kind of also there, and still had an effect and played a part in the changing of the thing. So, you know, that theme of like, you can make a difference just by showing up is kind of a big deal. Right? It's very interesting. Yeah. So kind of important thing to think about, right? Like little like little things make a big difference is is a good? Use a good

Collin  1:47:42

message. Right? It is and knowing that it doesn't have to be overly complicated, just like Bilbo, like, truly wasn't, like you said, like, he like this, this, this crystal clear clarity that he had about his purpose. And where he was having allowed him to make those hard choices, allowed him to be in those places, whose presence made a difference, because of his character, because the quality of person that he was like, that built up a lot of like, a lot of respect from people, like most of the respect that Bilbo gets along the way is not from slaying dragons. I'm, like, sure, like, he gets his, like, Sting on in the forest with the with the with the spiders, but a lot of the stuff is just him thinking through things or offering advice, or like, you know, just thinking from his perspective, I guess, so to speak. He does have action stuff that lend him that the respect that people give, but I it is interesting to also for me thinking back about this. Where does that respect generate from a lot of it's just his his character, consistency through each action that he does?

Brandon  1:48:55

Yeah, I think consistency is a big thing. Because even when he is getting his thing on in the forest, like, what is his motivation for doing that? He's trying to help his friends not be eaten by spiders. Yes. Right. He's just trying to help them out. That's it, right? He's just trying to help them. Right. He's just concerned about helping people. And he, you know, it just comes back to that all the time. And it's, you know, he's just very selfless person. Right? Because he is he doesn't want to be home but he isn't. You know, is he doesn't want to be in the middle of Mirkwood. But he is. So it's again, I think it's a very British slant on it. Like we might as well make the best of it while we're here. stiff upper lip and all that right. And like just

Collin  1:49:39

exactly, yeah, exactly.

Brandon  1:49:46

That little spin is is very decidedly like, British twist to that a little bit. But that, you know, it's fundamentally that's just kind of what he's doing. It's like, Well, I'm here, my friends you help gonna help them.

Collin  1:49:57

And there's not much more to it than that and that's fine. Right. Yeah, exactly. That

Brandon  1:50:00

is fine. And that's the the other interesting messages story is like that is okay. Right. That's that is enough. Right. That's all you need to do. That's fine. That's enough.

Collin  1:50:16

Yeah. Well on Yeah, I agree. It's a very good book. Lots to take from it. And I will be reading this one again. For sure. It's on my list. Nice to be good. Well, on that on that, I think I think we shall end and survive the heat. Next couple days.

Brandon  1:50:45

Give it a shot.

Collin  1:50:47

Well, I will do as two scoops of ice. Yes. Good luck. Sorry. Love you. Bye